TONI: "We didn't lose on purpose"

5-2-2015 03:57

Antonin "TONI" Bernhardt, one of WinneR's players who secured a slot at the ESL One Katowice LAN qualifier earlier tonight, gave a statement to HLTV.org regarding the match-fixing allegations against himself and his teammates.

Around one month ago, a prize-less showmatch between a German-based squad myRevenge and Hungarians volgare took place. The 79%-favored myRevenge lost the best of three, and were then accused of match-fixing which eventually turned into the first betting scandal of 2015 as discovered by CSGOLounge.

The match was removed from CSGOLounge before any of the winnings were handed out, so no one actually directly profited from the result.

The squad subsequently left the myRevenge organization, who in turned threatened to take legal action against the team, which was the last we heard from the both sides.

r0bs3n's squad hoping to clear their name

Meanwhile the squad led by former PENTA in-game leader Robin "⁠r0bs3n⁠" Stephan continued playing per usual, although with a lineup change that saw Koray "⁠xall⁠" Yaman leave and Oskar "⁠oskarish⁠" Stenborowski join.

Last week they made it to the round of 32 in the first European qualifier for ESL One Katowice where they lost to myKPV, and then last night they made it all the way after defeating Finns 3DMAX in the semi-final to secure a spot at the LAN qualifier.

Their participation itself already rose some eyebrows in light of the recent bans that Valve handed to ex-iBUYPOWER and Epsilon players, and their triumph only fueled the fire.

That prompted one of the team's members, Antonin "⁠TONI⁠" Bernhardt, to write up a statement and explain the circumstances from their point of view, which we relay in full:

"Hello everyone,

so we just upset by qualifying for the ESL One offline qualifier in Katowice on February 14-15 which makes us very happy and which is a huge success for us already, and I want to thank everyone on the scene who already had good words for us for delivering a good performance in this qualifier.

Unfortunately we are not the most loved or famous players in the scene right now which is a result of the supposed match-fixing we wrongfully got accused with, and the currently ongoing match-fixing scandals overall right now, when we were named myRevenge for a very short time quite a month ago.

Therefore I want to make this statement to clarify the situation to hopefully put an end to the ongoing ****storm on twitter from lurppis & co. which I personally find sad and evil at the same time. We were and still are blamed to have thrown a showmatch on csgolounge back then versus the hungarian team volgare in a bo3 to make profit out of skins.

As there was no seriousness and only absurd threats by myRevenge itself to sue us for throwing, I didn't feel to make a statement until now where our deserved offline qualification in Katowice is in danger.

First of all I want to make clear that we DID NOT lose the showmatch on purpose to win skins and I want to highly emphasize, that no single player from our current team nor our lineup in myRevenge back then did place ANY BET from his steamaccount nor from secondary accounts which is proven. I ask Valve to review this issue so my statement gets confirmed.

Regarding to the accusation that original players from our team did place max bets on volgare it turns out wrong, as only the player ayken who played only a very few stand-ins for us and was not longer part of the team during the 'betting scandal' anymore made a high bet on volgare.

I want to point out that we are temperemental guys who are easy to tilt on matches where nothing is on the line, so we took the showmatch not seriously enough and for example myself ended up trying knifing people and taser people ingame which is fun but has nothing to do with professional gaming. In regard to this I want to point out, that I think everybody should realize that nobody would be that dumb and throw a match like this in a hilarious way while being involved in a serious match-fixing.

We didn't realize that our kind of sloppy play would bring us in such a bad position like now and I definetely wouldn't take it that easy anymore again as it raises responsibility for us players to save people's skins which we weren't aware of in that time. We just didn't care about this match and wanted to make fun in front of a couple of thousand people which was really stupid as it turns out now.

Furthermore we didn't raise any serious damage in form of skins or anything as csgolounge was so sceptical about our performance, that they just deleted our match from their site. To bring it back to volgare who played well against us, they are also definetely not a bad team as they just attended ASUS ROG Winter 2015 by defeating the current Copenhagen Wolves in a bo3 qualifier and AliGon pretty easy as well.

My current teammates and me always played mostly for fun and didn't care too much about showmatches like this which brought us in trouble now for not performing well. The current situation is that tahsiN and me just played the german EPS Finals and the Acer A-Split Invitational @ TakeTV and we found out that we can have pretty much success competing professionally.

With r0bs3n, who already played the playoffs on a major and the talents am0 and oskar a team is created now, which can do damage on a international level I believe and which is fun to play in.

My teammates and me would be highly depressed to hand a serious ban by valve and a disqualification for the EMS Katowice offline qualifier since we are completely innocent and it is a little dream for us to play there.

To answer the shouts that we are greedy scammers, tahsiN and me play with standard skins, just to point out that we absolutely don't care about skins. I find it very sad, that younger unknown teams or newcomers who work up upsets on bigger teams get stomped to the ground like this just because of this screwed up major discussion of throwing matches on csgolounge. According to the slogan 'they are scammers/throwers or cheaters or both'.

Thanks a lot for the ones who read my statement and I hope there will not be a wrongful punishment in the upcoming days.

Best regards,

TONI from TeaM WinneR"

According to TONI, the player who per CSGOLounge "placed a maxbet" against myR was actually not one of the members of the team - it was Bastian "⁠ayken⁠" Schendzielorz, a stand-in a few days earlier in the New Year Invitational tournament.

He also added that he assumes the other supposed team member whose friends placed bets against myRevenge was another stand-in, Bahadir "⁠j1n⁠" Dilbas, and that none of the players who were involved in the match either bet or instructed their friends to bet against them.

In the aftermath of WinneR's victory, numerous people questioned their participation at the final qualifier on Twitter, and eventually one of the Valve developers replied that "there are numerous investigations happening atm."

Current lineup of WinneR that secured a spot at ESL One Katowice LAN qualifier:

Antonin "⁠TONI⁠" Bernhardt
Tahsin "⁠tahsiN⁠" Broschk
Robin "⁠r0bs3n⁠" Stephan
Oskar "⁠oskarish⁠" Stenborowski
Ammar "⁠am0⁠" Cakmak

Regardless of what the verdict is in WinneR's case, it is likely that there will be at least one new open slot in the LAN qualifier, as a result of the Epsilon bans.

fucking lier. soo why did MyRev drop you?? The funny thing is Dazed said the samething on Summit's stream.

2015-02-05 04:01

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The sad part is that they left their sponsor straight after the throw so they would take the flak. Now he's trying to shift the blame onto a single other person.

2015-02-05 04:02

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The funny thing is csgolounge said a member of the team place a bet on the other team. Also there is proof around where they told their friend to bet against them because "they weren't taking the match seriously" if that the case why should they get the chance to go to the qualifier if they dont take every match seriously?

2015-02-05 04:05

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90% of their friends list bet against them...

2015-02-05 04:18

He clearly said that they do not take show matches seriously. Katowice is not a fucking show match.

2015-02-05 04:19

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They threw for skins. The only thing that stopped them getting those skins was them throwing the match in the most obvious way possible, short of just saying binding kill to mouse1. Also, nice try toni.

2015-02-05 04:26

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yeah its indeed very likely they just told half their friendslit they were throwing. read what he said, wait for valve and cslng to investigate further and shut up until then. u have literally nothing to base ur opinion on.

2015-02-05 04:50

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Sponsors received screenshots discussing the throw and the players blatantly admitted that they had no intention of putting any effort in: facebook.com/myRevenge.eV/posts/75731561.. Their stand-in and friends of the players involved placing max-bets against them: hltv.org/news/13929-myrevenge-in-betting.. Looks like you're not even aware of why this is an issue. A quick google search would've made you look less stupid.

2015-02-05 04:52

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if its all so clear than im sure that valve will figure it all out in a blink and hand out bans. apparently its not. thats all im saying.

2015-02-05 05:02

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Because it didn't take over 4 months before action was taken against ex-IBP players, right? Trusting Valve to do anything in a blink is wishful thinking.

2015-02-05 05:03

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ibp were the first ones to get busted for throwing. its being taken a lot more srs now. now stfu ur iq is too low to discuss with me.

2015-02-05 05:13

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Thanks for admitting you're out of arguments. Now go play in traffic.

2015-02-05 05:14

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because valve got involved 4 months ago... ;) also, I'd love to see some actual proof, other than people claiming they have proof

2015-02-05 05:42

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Concerns were raised shortly after the match. Just like they were with the myrevenge throw. Don't act stupid.

2015-02-05 05:45

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do you really think Valve looked into it straight away or after Richard Lewis reached out to them?

2015-02-05 07:29

Don't accuse someone of being stupid when you're being equally ignorant. The reason any of this happened was because of the text screenshots that were posted, which lead to the Dailydot covering it extensively(Valve did not care 4 months prior to this occurring). At that point Valve had every reason to investigate, and since they threw the book at iBP they're simply covering their bases by investigating any other potential claim.

2015-02-05 07:52

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What is the point you're trying to make? At no point did I state I don't think Valve is looking into these guys, or that Valve magically decided to suddenly investigate ex-IBP. Stay dense.

2015-02-05 10:04

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the point is that ur a stupid fucktard, like i stated earlier. yet u refused to take my advice and stayed in the discussion anyways. now ur getting intellectually raped by multiple people. what i said earlier is that since dailydot got into that ibp thing and brought it up to valve, matchfixing is on valves radar. now one of the teams that is accused of that qualified for an event hosted by valve. so im pretty sure they got it under control. no reason for bastards like u to make shit up without any evidence and claim this was the universal truth.

2015-02-05 15:34

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"intellectually raped" Get the fuck out of here, subhuman filth. It's hard to even begin to grasp how thick you are. How often have you been kicked in the head? Keep ignoring the fact that these scummy germans knocked out legitimate teams.

2015-02-05 16:51

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ur so dumb it hurts. i should have a word with my friend the queen of holland about them allowing internet in nuthouses. these scummy germans knocked out legitimate team by legitimately beating them, fucktard. that valve will maybe ban them afterwards doesnt mean these teams didnt lose against them. its not like they were cheating or anything. just save urself from embarrassment, u cant keep up with me on an intellectual level.

2015-02-05 19:07

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whoaa look at my text's paragraph dimensions, it's so thin! and look at all those gray lines on the left... INSANE!

2015-02-06 11:23

You're a mongoloid. I'll quote you: "Because it didn't take over 4 months before action was taken against ex-IBP players, right?" That shit took 4 months because everyone dismissed it. Valve didn't touch it. Once real information got out, a precedent was set. See, it took 4 months for the iBP case to occur, and then what? A week for the Epsilon one? So then what's your fucking point by stating something sarcastic about it taking 4 months? Right. Don't play smart when you aren't.

2015-02-05 20:03

^aight!!

2015-02-05 10:26

Not looking too good for them now, is it?

2015-02-06 18:43

and u decided that this actually devalues my point? are u really as braindead? my god the stereotypes about ur people really are true.

2015-02-07 13:17

All top teams lost games where they "didn't take the match seriously" or imo probably threw the games. Just look at all the upsets last year which should be evidence enough. this alone should tell you why your comment is... wrong.

2015-02-05 09:16

so we should stop pair top teams with underdogs and give them win by default. Because now we have situation where top team isn't allowed to lose game with underdog due to accusations .... What a fucked up world ...

2015-02-05 19:36

That's not at all what I said. My point is that all teams will have matches they don't care about. Showmatches is a clear example of such. these kinda games should not be up for betting though.

2015-02-05 21:01

A show match with nothing on the line, no league, no lan or tournament qualifier. It's pretty much a match to "show off" like the title suggests. I have seen a lot of show matches where players go for the crazy knife or other crazy plays because those matches are basically the only time pro players get to have fun with a broadcasted match. I don't say they didn't throw, I don't know that. But betting on a showmatch or expecting total serious gameplay out of all the players is just plain stupid.

2015-02-05 12:44

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then if that the case CSGL shouldn't put showmatch on their website at all.

2015-02-05 16:04

so thats the players fault right ?

2015-02-05 22:15

every game should be serious even if there no prize on the line. But CSGL shouldn't put these "pug" or "scrim" matches on.

2015-02-05 22:21

+1, and #256: no, they shouldnt.

2015-02-05 19:08

cuz my rev is the worst org germany ever seen and their boss like to have as much attention as possible. How can u sue someone dropping a match on purpose? its a game u never can prove that this happened. valve would just goes by circumstantial evidence banning by csgo bets only

2015-02-05 18:36

try read the whole again.. It was a SHOWMATCH? A SHOWMATCH? u can play like u want when its only a show? im not a better or anything i only enjoy trading, but srly? why not just remove the skin bet OVERALL if people keep crying over lost skins? a showmatch is just for the show so poeple can have fun watching it.. if they got banned, then vavle might ban csgl too for making a bet site. EVERY good team can lose to a bad team, and everytime i only see kids rage about "match-fixing" cause they lost there skins. if they wanted to knife all rounds and lose 16-0 - 16-0 both maps then its there problem when the match has NO point and when its not importent at all. let them lose a showmatch if they want to, just stop bet on it then, bet on "normal" matches or IMPORTENT matches like , DH, qualifers and more.. pls. +1 for removing bet sites and let people bet REAL money like on football where they throw like here, but i dont see people rage about a football bet???? (because they are adults there bet on it.) csgl, ninja and so on. remove it all. ONLY REAL MONEY BETS from now and all problems are solved :) easy fixed. no whiners, more play, more fun to watch. if u cant watch a game without bet on it, then watch something else or play some matches urself. -Piv0

2015-02-06 04:07

You really think real money would be the solution that would make it worst, if kids are allowed but I dont think that would be the case since the US law prevent kids from gambling.

2015-02-06 04:35

ouch

2015-02-05 03:58

l0l

Cool story.

tl;dr threw for skins get banned

2015-02-05 04:00

2015-02-05 13:25

As if anyone would buy this scammer's bullshit. The fuck outta here, toni.

ikr, I mean it not like we going lie our ass off because we qualified for a 250k tournament. Also it's not like Dazed lied about their throw also.

so bcs he'd be lying about it in case they really did throw, that means that they threw 100%? if they threw or didnt throw, he'd be giving the same statement. which makes ur point kind of retarded and makes me strongly advise u to move ur fat ass away from the computer and go get some exercise.

2015-02-05 19:17

lmfao..wht the fuck you just say to me? I find it funny how you called me retarded but you can't form a proper sentence. What you just wrote hurt my head more than math or spanish. Before you try to talk shit to someone else make sure it make sense.

2015-02-05 22:19

LOL im not a native speaker but apparently my english is better than urs xd get rekt nerd.

2015-02-06 00:51

I dont think so bud. I'm not a good at english but that sentence you wrote was soo bad. It honest hurt my head

2015-02-06 00:58

read it again then, fucktard. it makes sense if u understand english more or less and arent braindead.

2015-02-06 02:09

too long to give a fuck

2015-02-05 09:48

BULL

SHIT

2015-02-05 04:15

"we didnt lose on purpose" for example myself ended up trying knifing people and taser people ingame which is fun but has nothing to do with professional gaming. ye u will win with knives and tasers vs real weapons

2015-02-05 04:03

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A fucking pulse. He just conterdict himself there hardcore

2015-02-05 04:06

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Do you know what a SHOWmatch is?

2015-02-05 04:27

what is a SHOWmatch?

2015-02-05 04:53

It's like SHOW wrestling. All fixed up. :D

2015-02-05 10:38

well he kinda explained it there saying it was a freakin showmatch where they just play for fun and werent really aware of the fact that theyre responsible for peoples skins. somewhat a bad explanation, but lets wait for valve to investigate before lighting their houses on fire and raping their sisters pls.

2015-02-05 05:00

they knew they were responsible for people skins because they inform their friends that why 90% of thier friend(according to CSGL) bet against them. Also why are these type of matches even on CSGL if they aren't t aken seriously by the players?

2015-02-05 05:05

first: idk, if thats true im sure valve will hand out bans. second: i have no fuckin idea bro. i made the mistake once when mouz kicked vp 2:0 when vp was just scrimming so hard all game. but from then on i just bet on underdogs on these matches. i mean: what top team would actually use proper strats theyd use in lan tourneys in a match that means nothing to them? while underdogs may as well see what they can do against better teams and try their hardest. these matches are just retarded unless theyd put some serious price money on the table.

2015-02-05 05:26

hahaha your comments are the best :D:D

2015-02-05 10:28

If they didn't made profit from this match(did NOT put bet against them) this is not throw. Just non-serious game, they didn't care about match and their "fans"(viewers).

2015-02-05 06:33

my point is that they weren't even trying to win the game, i dont give a shit if they got skins or not, it shouldnt be allowed, if you wanna play for fun go play public or something, people bet a lot and if u even cant take the game serious why even play in the first place?

2015-02-05 06:40

It is your mistake... why u bet on showmatches? Just big LAN tournaments is worth of betting remember this next time. You take risk with every bet! They are not guilty for your lose.

2015-02-05 06:52

i dont bet.

2015-02-05 06:53

lol what a liar...You are way too salty to not have lost alot of skins on that match. Just admit it, its no big deal.

2015-02-05 07:06

It's a show match, watch a few of them, a lot of players go for crazy plays in those kinds of matches which they never would try in a serious league, or tournament game. It's a show match, it doesn't matter to the players it's basically there to have fun and show off.

2015-02-05 12:51

Why should players care what matches CSGL follows? It's CSGLs choice. Why should players care about peoples skins? They don't force them to bet. As long as the players aren't betting against themselves, everything is fine. Or do you think you can blackmail players into victory with "win against underdog or get banned"? That is ridiculous...

2015-02-05 13:50

IF the statement is true, and they didn't make any bets nor profit from that match, they shouldn't be banned. And also, if all of this shit is true, they deserve an apology

Nah, Toni is just full of shit. facebook.com/myRevenge.eV/posts/75731561.. hltv.org/news/13929-myrevenge-in-betting..

2015-02-05 04:07

I don't know anything about the guy or German CS:GO scene, so you may be right. Despite that, I'll wait to see what Volvo can find and they should be able to tell if nay player of ex MyRev placed any kind of bets on that match from either main or secondary.

2015-02-05 04:09

ye and myR cant lie right? They have a bad rep in the germans scene for lying to teams. And they never released the screens :D

2015-02-05 11:16

this is gonna be good. whos the liar? lets find out!! xP

2015-02-06 06:06

the thing is they friend profit because they told their friend that they wouldn't be taking the match seriously and mostly was going to lost. You can read it here hltv.org/news/13929-myrevenge-in-betting..

2015-02-05 04:08

If that is true, none of the players recived profit from that match in a direct manner, so, according to rules, that is not a reason for a ban.

2015-02-05 04:10

That brings up a question, if ex-Epsilon recieved any skins? That information wans't made public? The reason I'm asking because if they got a year ban for throwing so their friend could profit then ex-MyRev should also be ban.

2015-02-05 04:13

You are right considering that point, I have to assume that Volvo found any kind of profit and therefore banned Pepsilon. Beause Skadoodle refused to get any skins from the IBP throw scandal and he was the ONLY player that was ban-free. Again, I may be wrong with some facts (because I wasnt really into this whole deal)

Well, the problem is if the players themselves didn't profit from an apparent throw, it's hard to prove that they actually did it. Except if they have screenshots or chat logs that prove they actually said "we will lose on purpose". Because telling one of your friends "beh we don't care about this match, I don't think we are going to win it" isn't the same as saying "bet against us, we will lose on purpose"...

2015-02-05 05:01

Exactly, plus, as far as I know, you can't ban a player because "he didn't try enough". The players can play like shit and with their feets if they want, as long as they don't make ANY profit of any kind by losing that match. So imo, there is no reason to ban any of those players (Altough the organization is in within their rights to drop the team if they didn't try enough, Valve imo can't do shit about this)

2015-02-05 05:28

Well they don't have to be betting directly. Since 90% of their friends betted against them which is very odd considering the odds, it might be their friends betted for them and were planning to sell the skins in market and transfer the share through actual bank transactions which is not traceable by valve. I am not saying they did throw, but it is not impossible. We need Interpol to investigate this :P

2015-02-05 07:01

Valve can look into their friends account, see which items went trough that account and check the skins ID. With that ID, you can also check if those skins were betted on the match. Also Valve can do that if you sell the skin on the market. Main point is, IF friends of MyRev guys betted on them AND MY REV DIDNT GET ANY PROFIT there is no reason for ban. NO PROFIT = NO BAN. SKADOODLE = NO PROFIT = NO BAN SCREAM = NO PROFIT = NO BAN MY REV = NO PROFIT = NO BAN. You get the logic here ?

2015-02-05 07:03

And, btw, you can't ban a player because it was impossible that they didn't throw. No profit = no proves = no ban. (don't take this in a bad manner, specially with the caps lock, I'm still a bit salty because some people can argue without insultin others)

2015-02-05 07:05

no one made profit from the match as there was no itemdraft

2015-02-05 04:30

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Exactly my point, no profit, no reason to ban anyone.

2015-02-05 04:51

I'm not sure we can say that they shouldn't be banned because in the end csgolounge saw clear in their little game. If you try to murder someone but eventually fail, you'll still be jailed for trying. Should be the same for match fixing.

When you try to merge real life and virtual life, things could get messy. If I download a cheat, and don't activate and end up deleting it, I deserve a VAC ban just for downloading it ? Rules are clear, if a player/team profits of losing a match on porpouse, they should be banned, if they didn't get any profit, there is no reason for a ban.

2015-02-05 05:29

Your example of downloading a cheat and not using it could compare to buying a knife/gun, never use it kill and then throw it away. No you won't get jailed for that.

2015-02-05 05:36

The point is, you cant compare real life with e-sports, neither a throw accusation with a murder. And as far as I know, volvo has this rule to ban people, if you make profit when you throw, you deserve a ban, if you lost the final of a major 0-16 both maps and you are buying tasers and smoking/flashing your teammates, BUT you are not making any profit because you didn't bet, your org will kick your ass, but Volvo can't ban you.

2015-02-05 05:39

But only reason they don't make profit is because they fucking sucked at throwing. They would have made profit if item draft would have taken place. People like you made me lose faith in humanity.

2015-02-05 06:47

Quoting. "no single player from our current team nor our lineup in myRevenge back then did place ANY BET from his steamaccount nor from secondary accounts which is proven. I ask Valve to review this issue so my statement gets confirmed. " Who is so dumb to place a bet and then ask Valve to research into that ? Again, IF that is true, and Valve has their way to check that, no bets were placed neither from the team or from any friend. People like you made me lose my faith into good reading skills.

2015-02-05 06:50

Yes, no skins bet from the accounts that they play with. That proves fucking everything. Seriously 90% of their friends betting against them is as obvious as it gets.

2015-02-05 06:56

No dude, IBP bet NOT FROM THEIR MAINS but from a friend. Still, they all get banned because skins CAN BE TRACED. You insulted me without a good argument, and besides that, you don't have any clue about how can Valve find proof of throwing. I won't discuss with you no further, have a good day/night/we

2015-02-05 06:59

iBP members never bet with their own skins, it was that netcode owner who maxbetted many times for them with his alternate accounts and his skins. When there is no item draft and thus no winnings to distribute, you cannot trace the skins back in this case. Again the throw is obvious, when almost all their friends bet against them.

2015-02-05 07:08

Well ban is for using a cheat not for downloading. Your argument is just wrong. A proper example would be if you use a cheat and could not kill anybody with it do you still get banned? Yes you do.

Good point. The difference here, is that VAC is an automatic tool, while ban a team because of a throw is made by a human being. So one ban is out of the discussion, while the other one is open for interpretation. Volvo rule remains, no profit, no ban.

2015-02-05 07:09

What rule r u talkin about? Ibp epsilon players got banned for throwing, not for making money out of it. Making money is just the proof of throw but not the reason for ban.

2015-02-05 08:18

wrong

2015-02-05 09:58

Oh, and one question, if I download a cheat an never play CS:GO, I would get banned eventually because VAC will search trough my folders and check the dll. so, you can get banned without using any cheat (but owning onw)

2015-02-05 07:11

Valve will search in steam folder only. And if dll is there that means at least you intend to do it. It is still good for a ban. I am sure if you keep it on your desktop, you won't get banned.

2015-02-05 08:24

tl;dr

tl;dr but nt

nobody cares about you or your team. your ban is irrelevant to the community but i hope some day will come.

In this statement all you are trying to get is your name cleared , after the game against " Violet Dreams " YOU went through all of the players in That team's SteamID just to check if u had ANY Possibility to come through even tho you lost with 16-13 . You dont apologize for being stupid and dumb . And now you are trying to get people to change there mind about u and the team .

2015-02-05 04:11

Welcome to ESL.

2015-02-05 04:14

Amazing isnt it?

You would take advantage of RULES too in their position. Germans just know the rules of the ESL. If "you" (not Germans) don't read it it's your fault. Don't come up with blabla they won and whatever. Rules are rules and any team would do the same. Its always the foreign teams that complain about that, well, they should just read the ESL rulebook and follow it. Simple as that.

lol.. Violet Dreams cant follow the rules. Dont blame it on Toni & Co please. 1. Puffran playing on another steam account 2. Tekken with old vac bans hltv.org/forum/730172-violetdreams-tekke..

2015-02-05 04:24

I bet you're a great chef.

I bet he actually knows a great chef ;)

full of shit hahaha

2015-02-05 04:16

DONT EVEN TRY u are out trash.

2015-02-05 04:17

who?

Load of shit, fucking shady germans and turks

How the fuck do u imagine throw if not "taking the match not seriously"? This is definition of throwing. Same shit did epsilon, ibp and fnatic twice today. This is fucking bullshit some player get perm bans while others for the same shit get only fame and money form valve. CSGO scene is a joke.

Lol, this is a fucking showmatch with no consequences whatsoever. If there is no prizemoney, why should the players play seriously and to 100%? A showmatch is there to showoff, amuse and have fun. Some players might want to brag, others might want to have fun. Blame csgolounge for putting a fucking showmatch on to bet...

2015-02-05 08:09

2015-02-05 09:59

If you dont want to play for real then dont apply in the first place. If you apply and you play like shit ("for fun") then you are throwing and you should get banned.

2015-02-05 18:44

Usually when it's a showmatch you don't apply, you are invited to play it and reread the definition of what a showmatch is supposed to be, it's not meant to be serious in the first place so I don't know why they'd turned that down while it's a great occasion to show their org, sponsors and get some fans which is the main purpose.

2015-02-06 07:43

Toni, wasn't that the guy trying to knife the enemies just arounds the corner like 3 times?

tl;dr "We didn't lose on purpose, we just put no effort into winning, so we would lose! It's different! (no kappa)"

2015-02-05 04:20

this

2015-02-05 04:45

you know what a showmatch is, right?

2015-02-05 10:45

mmk

expected.

two standins and good friends (i assume) places maxbets on volgare, and then MyRevenge run around with tazers and knives... this is bullshit Toni, bullshit. You guys threw that game and u know it.

2015-02-05 04:28

ya you did you fat fuck

sure m9

2015-02-05 04:31

Why are showmatches put on CSGL in the first place lol

2015-02-05 04:34

2015-02-05 11:56

Nice try dazed

2015-02-05 04:37

as long as it cant be proven that the players involved didnt profit directly from the loss there wont be any bans ... Btw the hypocracy in this community is mind boggling ... go back to ur petitions to get the ex-IBP bans shortened ... pathetic

2015-02-05 04:38

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Did you even watch that game?

2015-02-05 04:41

yes ... it was a fucking show match nothing to be won for them. Even if they playd like shit and didnt really try to win it doesnt fucking matter as long as they didnt recive skins for throwing the match ... if underperforming was a criteria to hand out bans vp would have been banned months ago ...

2015-02-05 04:44

+11111111111

2015-02-05 10:00

The only reason they did not profit off that match is because they made the throw so incredibly obvious that my cat would've noticed it.

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so what ur saying is it cant be proven and noone was harmed or lost any skins because of it ? good reason to get the entire team banned

2015-02-05 04:47

Are you really that thick? Or are you simply butthurt because it involves german players? Sponsors received screenshots discussing the throw and the players blatantly admitted that they had no intention of putting any effort in: facebook.com/myRevenge.eV/posts/75731561.. Their stand-in and friends of the players involved placing max-bets against them: hltv.org/news/13929-myrevenge-in-betting.. Now, fuck off toni.

2015-02-05 04:49

if thats the case and there is definitive prove of it they will be banned. still dont see the need to play cyberpolice and go after the players on social media etc. But on the other hand u probably need to be 12yo to understand that ...

Hardly playing the cyber police. Simply pointing out why you're wrong.

2015-02-05 04:54

we will see if that prove really exists they will get bans ... rightfully so ... if not they dont. The amount of hate for this even though noone has seen any of the ss is still ridicioulus especially considering that noone actually lost any skins on it.

2015-02-05 04:58

You do realize that throwing with the intent of gaining a profit through illegitimate means completely negates whether they did or did not receive anything afterwards? They went 100% retarded and lost their profit as a result. Had they put up more of a fight they would've walked away with skins that have a value attached to them. I can see from your other comments that you believe teams should be allowed to throw every match as long as they don't receive a skin in return. What a lovely attitude.

Im not in favor of it but yeah as long as they dont benefit from it (and they normally dont if no skins are involved since they drop out of tournaments or lose points in leagues etc. if they lose) Id say u cant ban teams for it. As soon as money/skins get involved its a totally different story but the fact that they perform under their possibilitys or at a certain number of rounds lost realize that they cant win anymore and start trolling isnt a reason for a ban. As I said earlier if that was the set standart to hand out bans teams like vp would have been banned month ago for some horrible performances.

2015-02-05 05:06

You still don't see how they threw that match in order to gain skins? And how they messed it up for themselves by making it painfully obvious? Let me just rephrase it: if they had made it a closer match and actually played, the draft would have taken place. Their stand-in, their friends and they would then have made a profit off the throw.

2015-02-05 05:11

as I said earlier if there is prove of that they will get bans. but as far as I understand the "prove" are some ss that arent public. Im sure valve will get in contact with myR and review the allegations and if they turn out to be true they will be rightfully banned. my point is that u speculate based on their performance that they must have thrown because of skins and act like that has been 100% proven. well if that was the case they would have been banned allrdy or will be in the near future but until than its still innocent till proven guilty for me. But if u feel the need to flame and harrass the players on social media go ahead and continue if that makes u feel better

2015-02-05 05:19

Well, we'll find out in about 4 to 5 months time then while we wait on Valve. These fuckers are blatant and everyone knows it. Enjoy your night/morning though.

2015-02-05 05:21

People are unbeliveable. This is a fucking showmatch with no prize whatsoever, it's called a showmatch for a reason. Like a friendly match or an all-star match at ESEA or w/e, you expect people to play up to their full potential and come warmed up and ready? Get a clue jeez, I don't recall anyone doing anything else than laughing when n0thing/snax & co were trying to knife each other @ ESEA allstars and same happens in the NBA when players are just trying to have a good time and showoff, they are not to blame when some fucking betting sites put those games online to bet which is dumb as fuck.

2015-02-05 08:14

Ah, right. So, a team that only secured a sponsor days before playing matches would have absolutely no motivation to show off their skill? Maybe go for some big plays? If we play along with your silly analogy, at least pro athletes will always display their skill. You wouldn't see an NBA player just taking his shoes off and practicing his ballet skills during a showmatch. You're fucking retarded. I mean, you must have been bounced on your head as a baby.

2015-02-05 10:07

Have you ever seen some football showmatches? Plenty of players go for outrageous plays that they would never go for in a normal match because in 99.9% they don't work out. In showmatches they often do, because defenders just let them do it and don't go in 100%. A show match is by definition a match where nothing is on the line and players can do what ever the fuck they want nobody is going to go into that like it was the fucking champions league final.

2015-02-05 13:04

Please, do point out where I said that showmatches are super hardcore? Let me just copy paste the bit from the comment you replied to: If we play along with your silly analogy, at least pro athletes will always display their skill. You wouldn't see an NBA player just taking his shoes off and practicing his ballet skills during a showmatch. Replace NBA with football and it still applies.

2015-02-05 13:07

Going for a silly knife kill would be the CS equivalent of an outrageous football play. You wouldn't do that in a league match (unless your name is Messi or something similar) but a show match with no impact what so ever? Who the fuck cares? If cs go lounge wouldn't have accepted bets for that match nobody would give a fuck. If they actually told other people they would lose on purpose and instructed them to bet on the opposition, they obviously deserve a ban. For just playing silly in a showmatch? No way.

2015-02-05 13:20

I suggest you look up the VOD. They weren't even trying to go for these knife kills. They were just sacrificing themselves so they could get their hands on those skins faster. Then again, if you want to believe Toni's bullshit I'm not going to stop you. Stay delusional, bro.

2015-02-05 13:22

Think what ever you like "bro". I personally don't bet and don't give a fuck if people lose skins. Through throwing or otherwise. Matchfixing needs to be stopped, but whining about people playing like shit in a showmatch is just plain stupid.

2015-02-05 14:29

talking shit u deserve the ban

2015-02-05 04:40

If theres truth in his statement, it only shows how fast the 'media' can rape single teams/players without any hard proof and simply cause of some witchhunt. If he lies and they did throw and earn skins, they should be banned, as did iBP or Epsilon. Nevertheless, the latter message stands, the community (and some 'famous' people like lurppis) is/are way to quick and harsh towards lesser known teams/players without any evidence. It wouldnt be the first time, a rather unknown team gets media-raped after their first upset even tho upsets are a good thing in sports and should be highly rewarded by a community in terms of appreciation. And it certainly doesnt help if uninvolved 3rd parties (like shox) spread words without any further knowledge i imagine, bcuz it only leads to thousands of followers to join the bandwagon. Such behaviour sets bad example and standard. Anyway, Valve will hopefully investitage and come to a conclusion even tho the damage for team WinneR is already done. (if they come out innocent)

2015-02-05 04:43

#43 "We didn't lose on purpose, we just put no effort into winning, so we would lose! It's different!"

dude teams can throw as much as they want as long as they dont benefit from it ... they didnt so no banreason ... end of story ... get fucking over it

wtf why would you even start to play if you dont want to win? :DD dat german logic

2015-02-05 06:26

It was a pointless showmatch, here is a reason.

2015-02-05 08:15

what has his nationality to do with his arguments? if u really think that nip, envyus or any top team takes every single game 100% serious and play it like it was a major final, ure simply wrong. its human nature or lemme say, its sportish nature to take some extra percent in really important matches and take lesser matches, f.e. showmatches a bit off, which doesnt mean to THROW, before u say so.

2015-02-05 17:12

Well if they don't put any effort behind winning, I guess a ban wouldn't matter to them anyway coz they don't really care about competitive gaming. They just casual gamers play for fun which they can continue to do as their account won't be banned. Right???

2015-02-05 07:24

thats pretty much how they saw it back when that match was played, yes. They were no pro team and they didnt even see themselves as such. As you can read it the statement above, this has changed in the past months after beeing successful in German EPS etc.

2015-02-05 09:22

But the problem doesn't lie in the accusations, it's the fact that there's actual evidence pointing to ex-myR throwing. That knife skin and CSGL bets lol, everyone's starting to sound like KQLY

CSGO Lounge is a fucking cancer of CSGO.

2015-02-05 04:48

Teams like this are the fucking cancer of CSGO. You can't remove betting - there will be always more and more sites to bet on, with skins and with real money. So the only solution to the problem is to ban teams like these. Which is also the correct one because myRevenge is the one trying to scam people here, not CSGL.

2015-02-05 05:24

So he comes out with that now after Lurppis went out on twitter and said that theyre the match fixers etc etc hahaha.

wouldn't surprise me tbh. csgolounge is ran by fucking braindead monkeys after all

2015-02-05 06:18

In before vac banned.

2015-02-05 06:23

Just to remind you guys - csgolounge never showed any evidence about myrevenge throw (ss with logs etc like they did for alsen for example).

2015-02-05 06:28

CSGL needs to stop these random games, anything that isn't a serious match between top teams shouldn't be added

2015-02-05 06:46

No wonder he's scared and trying hard to defend himself after what happened to iBP and epsilon.

2015-02-05 07:10

care

2015-02-05 07:35

Good promotion to a still fairly unknown player! gl

Oh, Germans, Turks and Polish guy in one team, this won't end well.

2015-02-05 08:03

i spectated the match. Buying deagles and shit in pistol rounds? easy to tilt? have some fucking respect for your fans and atleast try to win, you idiot

2015-02-05 08:04

Lol, fans. Those guys barely have any fans or have fan become a term adressed to the retards that bet on them and trust them to win (a pointless showmatch) and then call them idiots, fuckers and throwers after they loose? Please tell me. lmao.

2015-02-05 08:17

Is Toni the old source player tornadotoni? And did Oskar go by the name Osirisbash in source as well? OT: guess we just have to wait and see valves decision. Until that they are innocent but I quess that won't stop the hltv kids from spewing insults and crap at them ^^ Fingers crossed for them and hopefully they will do well at the offline qualification in proland :)

2015-02-05 08:08

No TONI is not Tornadotoni, but they played together in gather channels etc. Oskar is not Osirisbash, osiris name is Phillip.

2015-02-05 08:42

Just remove csgolounge and everyone is happy.

2015-02-05 08:21

The match was not official. It was not in any League. It was covered by a third party website (csgolounge). They are not forced to play well. if it had been official league match, they propably would have watched demos, prepared themselves, played some pcw's before etc. A Showmatch is exactly what TeamWinner did with it, having fun playing the game and giving people some cs entertaiment. The Problem is not TeamWinner using knife and taser, the problem is csgolounge. And if you cant see that or dont want to see that, then your the problem aswell. Also ayken would bet against twr without anyone telling him anything. He knows TeamWinner for years, i dont think he believe(d)s TeamWinnr could compete on a pro or semipro level internationally. If you bet on sth. like a showmatch, then your just stupid and deserve loosing all your retarded useless shitty skins.

2015-02-05 08:37

from csgolounge admin: "For two out of five members, 90% of their friends placed against them. Those friends had alt accounts, which also betted against them. Another piece of evidence was some of these alt accounts and maxbets as their only bet, which was against their friend and the majority favorite." so this guy is liar.. KAPPA

2015-02-05 08:43

i know them and i personally would have not betted on them. They we're the majority's favourite, the question is why? i wouldnt have seen them in a Winning position, same goes for themselves and their friends i belive. i think that most people who know them saw this match as 50/50, so the incentive to bet on volgare was really high. Combine that with a SHowmatch, which should have no place on csgolounge anyway, a team like winner that was not prepared and a "majority" that "thinks" they got it right and you have a "betting scandal". The only scandal is that csgolounge even features matches like this. The wording of the post is quite dramatic ("..maxbets as their only bet, which was against their friend and the majority favorite") when infact i think its logical that their friends were the most likely to bet against them anyway. you shouldnt be held accountable to win a showmatch because a thirdparty website that lives of off their site's traffic enables people to bet on them. Also they are not responsible for people missjudging their capabilites against a team that was definitely in their range of level. he is not a liar, he said they told their friends the match was not taken seriously by them and they did not prepare for that match. But what you dont see is that a showmatch is not about winning the match, its about the show. its to entertain people, their is no incentive to win, except for maybe more cash for the winner. ofcourse it can be your opinion and its also my opinion, that you always should try your best and try to win any match you play. But there was no nessecarity for TeamWinner to play their best and csgolounge addition of this match, should not change that. i know for alot of people it does, but that should be their problem, not TeamWinners. edit: also i'll take this: "Unless there is a substantial reward. " from the guy below me and add, that that substantial reward in a showmatch is there as an incentive for the players to play in the first place. Same goes for other sport showmatches, where there is always a reward(most of the time money) to encourage the Teams to participate.

2015-02-05 09:06

They threw for skins. Deal with it

2015-02-05 13:26

youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8

2015-02-05 14:04

running with teaser, buying negev 2 rounds in a row, never ecoing, trying to knife enemys, always pushing, knifing teammates TONI:"I don't throw volvo" 100% legit

2015-02-05 08:44

+9001

2015-02-05 09:34

Again the lounge have tried to divert their responsibility. You don't make bets on a show match ! And people that bet on such match ? Seriously ? It's a show match what do you expect ? I've you ever see a tennis show match for instance ? Players don't play their best tennis they are here for the show. Same with CS:GO. Unless there is a substantial reward.

2015-02-05 08:54

gl oskar!

2015-02-05 09:03

I believe in U toni =)

2015-02-05 09:04

There is an easy solution to this guys.. Valve needs to make pro players an official category on steam. Once you are accepted as pro status you lose the right to trade or use custom skins.

2015-02-05 09:19

why throw for skins when you can bet real money?

2015-02-05 09:29

Typical liar german. Emilio said this too: "i sidnt do it" LOL. Everyone knows that even before the game itt will be thrown. They tell it to every friends. Maybe they want to be clever and ask friends to bet and get skins from reward. But this match was an open secret. I dont know why all these german thinks they will not get caught. Hope they banned too soon. Same will happen with polish guys too. Only reason they will not get attention is they are far away from a qualifier.

2015-02-05 09:20

These scums still not banned? It's dumb being pro and throwing for skins but more tragic is being tier 20 team and be that dumb to put maxbet against yourself :D

2015-02-05 09:21

none of the team members placed bets against themselves. Ayken and j1n(who did bet against Team Winner after beeing stand-in for a match)are not part of the team and as to why they bet against them read my post above.

2015-02-05 09:24

Actually u r not correct since they got the team tags and played like at least 3 matches (I saw 3 but there could be more) not on the same day for the team.

2015-02-05 09:28

OP obvioulsy german xD

2015-02-05 09:27

Many better teams deserve spot, not just 3D max. But these match fixers deffinetily dont deserve spot

2015-02-05 09:32

ofc they did throw j1n told me they will do that i went allin with 3 accounts on volgare

2015-02-05 09:33

steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611979834.. hmm

2015-02-05 09:37

lol dis+++

2015-02-05 10:54

Hope these guys get what they deserve, karma.. hopefully not a single map on lan :) Violetdreams deserve this and not you by acting like a piece of shit.

2015-02-05 09:38

to much...didn´t read ban these german/turkish dumbs

2015-02-05 09:50

2015-02-05 09:52

If they have screenshots, well fucking show us.. Or did I miss something?

2015-02-05 10:09

Sloppy play in a game with bets, gj for marking yourself.

2015-02-05 10:47

Why was it on CSGL if it's a SHOWmatch where stuff like that is supposed to happen? Not their fault I guess...

2015-02-05 11:57

I don't imply that ignorance is a crime, I just find this situation funny.

2015-02-05 12:09

fucking liars..

2015-02-05 11:05

Im not sure why this statement didnt come out when you got accused, kicked, sued and whatnot. But you wait u till you qualify for a major.

2015-02-05 11:18

Fucking pathetic liar ... you crying like a little babies now .. I watched the match and was definitly a throw .. Was so obvious that i was laughing hard. GTFO , you and all throwers.

2015-02-05 11:24

Please squash their dreams and let other players that know how to act have their place, valve. R0bs3n is fat!

2015-02-05 11:36

what a fucking load of shit, lol does he think the community is that fucking stupid

2015-02-05 11:39

Come on, why did CSGL even feature that SHOWmatch? Isn't it obvious that players won't take it very serious?

2015-02-05 11:58

TONI and tahsiN are known german hackers from cs 1.6... everybody know that these guys are connections to germanys hacker elite / coder etc. but nowaydays its apparently normal that guys who are hacking getting support

nope

2015-02-05 15:25

They already lost once in this qualifier, how are they still in?

2015-02-05 12:16

nice english TONI gg :'D

2015-02-05 12:18

yes you did

2015-02-05 12:34

suck my di** toni and suck everyone's di** who betted on you this match and then get fu**** by a horse and eat his s*** oh and ye asshole if u dont care about showmatches then u deserve to play only on my big fat Co**

2015-02-05 12:47

Yeah yeah we have heard the excuses before but somehow the accusations always turn out to be right when it comes to matchfixing. Living your life in the computer and still dont understand that everything you do can be traced. Stupid

2015 - the year of longass facebook statements

2015-02-05 12:49

Disgraceful player

2015-02-05 13:01

I find them being accused absolutely pathetic. A show-match being treated as a fun match where the players try to entertain their viewers and audience is perfectly fine. They have absolutely nothing on the line and nothing to play for, so why not give us a good show instead of a serious match because of a couple of skins? We already have dozens of those matches every fucking day. Stop being pathetic about your skins, learn how to lose or quit betting, you might be ruining a chance of a life-time for this upcoming team with your pathetic sense of humour.

2015-02-05 13:40

"For two out of five members, 90% of their friends placed against them. Those friends had alternative accounts which they also used to bet against them. Another piece of evidence was some of these alternative accounts and maxbets as their only bet, which was against their friend and the majority favorite. Finally, one of myReve's team members placed a maxbet against themselves, we have found it just to return skins to all users." ^ from csgolounge admin so their friends just out of pure randomness decided to maxbet against them, some of them with multiple accounts? and it was just a coincidence that they played like absolute shit in the match?

2015-02-05 14:14

its just like when Pros got caught cheating; now any favorite team who loses is throwing.

2015-02-05 13:49

he is lying :)

2015-02-05 14:01

he is lying omg cs go scene is rubish

2015-02-05 14:12

Expected

CSGL should investigate if this guy is lying, what I'm pretty much sure of. If so, grant these fags a lifetime ban in every possible league. If not, feel free to join the qualifier.

2015-02-05 14:16

are there really people out there, who read all the comments on hltv? just curious.

2015-02-05 14:32

I do

2015-02-05 15:03

I've to admit nice try, but I ain't buying that. This is probably the most retarded statement of all statements. So their friends randomly decide to max bet against myRev, and myRev loses, but no myRev did not know that their friends went max bet on alot of accounts it was just totally random that they did on the game they lost. If people actually believe in this bullshit they should consider buying a brain. I'm even pretty sure that CSGOLNG mentioned that one of the myRev players went max bet on Volgare aswell, apologize if i'm mistaken.

2015-02-05 15:10

some children expering there opinion on net with 200000 world quetes and sentences, me care lot plz continue' ive scrawled from the top to the bottom, just to see some pathetic people who are so intensly typing with there outrages acusations, theres the NL guys whos like IM RIGHT IM RIGHT IM RIGHT, no1 gives a flying fuck about him, because hes mum posted that he's the biggest gay in the world and fucks animals 24/7, proof? i got proof for4surem8, some guy on net posted it, and we all believe him.

2015-02-05 15:38

nobody cares about this tier 10 team, even if they would've lose on purpose, even valve would not care. i think it's a trend now to give public statement about you fixing a game. i want to be famous guys, i will add my facebook page on this topic, i promise to give you a public statement about my MATCHMAKING game against team anonymous, i've tried to hide it too much time, now it's time to admit: i've tried to win some skins, a friend of mine came in with the idea. i'm PUBLICLY ashamed of myself and i want to say sorry in front of my non-existent fans. Thank you guys, tier 100 player that nobody cares about EHEHEH, NOW I'M COOL, LIKE THESE GUYS!

2015-02-05 16:52

actually ppl care about them because they just qualified for the katowice lan qualifier u r pretty dumb /e: & not funny

2015-02-05 17:29

hm, actually not. they just want some attention so they are trying to make a big fuss from nothing. many teams had qualified in the past but you don't hear anything about them after the tournament is over. don't try to bullshit your way into the discussion, as far as i'm concerned, the post was just a bad joke and i'm sorry if it offended you in any way, it's just a funny way of seeing the "pro" scene in the last couple of weeks. if you want a brief and serious way of comments i can give you one: if it wasn't bad enough that the american teams are in a big trouble right now, after the whole match-fixing drama, the europeans are going on the same path, i feel sorry for the community and i hope this is the last wave of the betting scandals. @orkel i hope i've redeemed myself, i apologise again if i have offended you or anyone with my post.

2015-02-05 18:12

Why do people think when teams "throw" they are stealing from there fans. Nobody bets on the same team every time just because they are a fan...

2015-02-05 17:08

Say hello to my little story!

2015-02-05 17:27

wp aykeN xd

2015-02-05 18:13

My reaction when I read this: hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia..

2015-02-05 19:20

SkinBelt around his waist looks awsome.

2015-02-05 19:21

sorry, I don't buy your sob story buddy. eat shit and get DQ'd losers.

2015-02-05 19:24

2015-02-05 20:24

m9sko

2015-02-05 20:44

m8 get rekt

2015-02-05 22:17

ye well.. after all this waiting, it seems that u have to lose this spot... It's just so sad. Ppl doesn't know shit what "showgame" means.. This will be end of eSports (and probably your career) for CSGO... Thank god there is LoL and plenty of other games that can actually run without of any of this drama (prob. because SHOWGAMES?)...

2015-02-06 00:14