Blog: My thoughts on Na`Vi pulling out of Cph Games

30-3-2013 00:40

I think Na`Vi made the right move.

I don't think I, as a player, could have given up on playing when I'm already there and still have a chance to compete, but I absolutely do think it had to be made.

I'm not sure what exactly went down this morning because I am not on Na`Vi, and neither is anyone else on this website for that matter (so stop commenting as if you knew), but I can only assume they weren't late on purpose.

According to ZeroGravity they were told to arrive at 10CET, which they did (and according to semphis from Quantic, he saw Na`Vi setting up as he was just arriving there; and Quantic didn't get forfeited). They then got their rental computers (from Copenhagen Games - obviously the responsibility must also be on them then).

Based on the news post here on HLTV.org, it seems like Na`Vi were already setting up when they were given the ultimatum of "5 minutes or forfeit", but couldn't make it because of computer issues. That's fully on Copenhagen Games in my opinion, if their computers don't function.

I also know from sources in Copenhagen that for a while fnatic were raged because they were going to be knocked down to the lower bracket (as the admins were going to go by rounds among the three tied participants), but after more whining ended up first in the group.

Had Na`Vi not been given a forfeit loss versus BX3 in the first map, they would have been tied in maps and it must have gone to rounds (as they didn't have time to re-play the group due to the terrible schedule Copenhagen Games used once again, giving a worthless group stage basically as much time as all of playoffs) anyway.

How can this kind of stuff still happen, where people whining and putting pressure on admins makes them change their mind? I have zero doubt that if ZeroGravity would've been there, he would've also been able to put similar pressure on the admins.

It's been proven time and time again that Copenhagen Games admins are not competent enough to host big tournaments like this and it's just saddening they refuse to hire people who are (e.g. Nix0n who lives in Denmark) to do the job.

It was time for someone to put their foot down, and I'm glad Na`Vi did it. Now all we can hope is that they didn't do it for nothing, but that something will change for the better in the future.

Another day, another terrible event.

edit: Sources:
http://navi-gaming.com/news_show.php?news_id=13378
http://www.hltv.org/news/10340-navi-bx3-default-is-unfair
http://www.hltv.org/news/10337-navi-lose-first-bx3-map-by-default

edit 2:
Copenhagen Games also completely went against their own rules in 2011 to knock Finnish Online Kingdom out in the second group stage in favor of mTw and M5. This is not anywhere near the first case of them not having any idea of how to run a tournament.

edit 3:
Nostalgie also had to forfeit the first map in their first match due to PC issues. Na`Vi weren't the only ones for whom the rental computers from Copenhagen Games didn't work. Just food for thought.

Read it, good read. I agree with you. Good job Na`Vi, otherwise event admins will never learn.

2013-03-30 00:46

exactly! This is ludicrous, how can they change how the judging is made. its unbelievable managment by the admins. CPH NOOBS

2013-03-30 00:43

good decision from navi imo, fnatic noobs!

2013-03-30 00:43

Ragequit, not proffesional at all. BTW, it doesn't worth a blog IMO.

2013-03-30 00:45

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but the admins cheated them, im not reffering to the arriving "late" incident. How can you play in a tournament they dont want you to be in or be part of?

2013-03-30 00:46

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"they dont want you to be in or be part of?" Nah, not that much. Its just CPH admins wanted their teams to be in upper bracket.

2013-03-30 00:50

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either way, it makes leaving CPH 100% justifiable. It is not fair. I am really upset and i am Navi "hater" on normal days.

2013-03-30 00:52

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Yeah, its unfair obviously. Fanboyism as its best in Scandinavia.

2013-03-30 00:54

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fu. scandinavia is the finest and most kind place on the entire planet.

2013-03-30 06:14

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not this time.

2013-03-30 14:24

well, it all started with them being late to the first gs round and then crying about a default map loss. it was announced everywhere that the first match would start 10:00, and a team who's attended as many events as they have should've been there on time regardless if a random "receptionist" told them to be laid back about it. "By participating in the tournament the players accept with no reservations all of the above and below mentioned regulations and that any decision made by the tournament administrators during the tournament may at any time supersede these regulations." even though I disagree with the decision to put navi in third place, it's not juridically incorrect of them. a shitload of cs teams have had unfair decisions going against them without getting so melodramatic. I think it's pretty obvious that they felt insecure about their gs results and the last event they attended (techlabs), and therefore took the easy way out by heading home. hence the "pussy" remarks.

2013-03-30 00:59

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"I disagree with the decision to put navi in third place" we agree here. this is what angers me. the other arguments already have debate about being problems on CPH provided PCs and stuff, but i dont want to get into that, what happened earlier already happened and the decision was made and navi accept it. It could been 3 way tie by normal circumstances and still this latest decision dont make sense and is not fair.

2013-03-30 01:07

you said it all

2013-03-30 01:15

I'm not sure what exactly went down this morning because I am not on Na`Vi, and neither is anyone else on this website for that matter (so stop commenting as if you knew), but I can only assume they weren't late on purpose.

2013-03-30 01:27

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so what if people aren't purposely late? does it matter? it's their own responsibility to be set and ready on time. the other 31 teams had no difficulties with this.

2013-03-30 01:45

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Based on the news post here on HLTV.org, it seems like Na`Vi were already setting up when they were given the ultimatum of "5 minutes or forfeit", but couldn't make it because of computer issues. That's fully on Copenhagen Games in my opinion, if their computers don't function. Nostalgie also had to forfeit the first map in their first match due to PC issues. Na`Vi weren't the only ones for whom the rental computers from Copenhagen Games didn't work. Just food for thought. did you read all this or you are just trying to prove that navi is an irresponsible team without exactly knowing what happened there.

2013-03-30 01:52

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I'll correct myself: 30 out of 32 teams had no difficulties. navi obviously have their point of view. however, it's still their own responsibility. being responsible for yourself does not equal going to the event an hour early and asking "some guys" what's up (people who obviously had no idea what was up) and thereafter semi-retardedly following this clueless person's suggestion. they knew it was arranged to start at 10:00. they knew they'd be using rental computers (experienced lan players should know that those things often take time). they thought that there were delays after receiving unclear information from god knows who. what do they do? arrive late. I'm not saying it's all navi's fault, but mostly.

2013-03-30 02:24

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agree. Unprofessional to bow out. They probably got screwed and no doubt the admins are incompetent, but play it out boys IMO.

2013-03-30 02:36

read this carefully with your eyes wide open or either you are drunk or either you are a hater of navi. (and according to semphis from Quantic, he saw Na`Vi setting up as he was just arriving there; and Quantic didn't get forfeited). They then got their rental computers (from Copenhagen Games - obviously the responsibility must also be on them then). and it was copenhagen's fault because their computer was broken. if the computer would have been perfect so navi would have started playing the match. firstly the default map loss and then completely going against their own rules to make navi play in the lower bracket proves that the admins were unjust. stop arguing now, it shows that you are completely going against for what lurppis wrote here and stop showing everyone that you are a stupid guy who doesn't has good reading skills and just thinks that he is always right.

2013-03-30 02:43

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as lurrpis stated, he don't know everything that went down today either. most people assume to some degree. and no, I didn't really read the blog initially. I always found navi a bit unprofessional with their long breaks in the middle of big matches back in the 1.6 times, the infamous ghosting by ceh9 and so forth, so my opinion is probably biased. I might be completely wrong, but I find it hard to believe that navi did everything they could to be ready on time. according to them, no one was there when they (or only the manager, dunno) arrived they arrived 09:00. they then were told to come back 10:00 by someone (could be anyone from LoL admins to bartenders for all we know) who had no certain idea about anything (obviously very reliable). shouldn't they find out for certain there are delays (no one told him/them that there were delays, they assumed), or simply stay there instead of running off doing stuff that was obviously much more important? at least have the manager in the tournament area from 9-10. I repeat that they knew they tourney was scheduled to start 10:00 and that rental computers can be a bitch. however, if the rental computers were impossible to get a hold of until 10:00 when they arrived, I also think the organisers are completely responsible. it either seems like sloppy work from the manager or a retarded show from the organisers. my last reply regarding a cs team being late to a game. the more tired I am, the more I realise how ridiculously unimportant this is.

2013-03-30 03:44

Seriously dude ? Why do they work there if they dont know anything about the event ? WTF? And why is it Na`Vis fault that the PCs didnt work? Explain me your logic

2013-03-30 16:48

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according to the admins they came 10:14 and was told that they had 15 minutes to get ready, after being told to be there 10:00 by the receptionis at 08:30-09:00. if they'd be there 10:00 (on time) and the computers were the sole reason for the delay, I'm pretty sure the admins wouldn't have given the default loss. yes, it was bad to not inform the receptionist in detail about everything, but it's anyway sloppy work from the manager not to double check and instead go fully after what someone who had no clear idea told him. taz goes over this in the cadred iview if you want the perspective of a person who actually was at the event. youtube.com/watch?v=pQYjHhunjJA 11:50 I'm still on about this shit. jeez.

2013-03-30 20:28

There you said it, in my opinion, it's totally Na'Vi's responsibility to be ready, whatever problem they might encounter.

2013-03-31 15:05

Dude you need to READ and UNDERSTAND LURPPIS post. It's obvious that you did not understand what you are reading(if your read this blog). Semphis IS LATE because he just arrived while navi ALREADY SETTING UP!

2013-04-01 05:44

It's a blog containing his personal opinion, if it's worth it or not isn't up to you to decide.

2013-03-30 00:54

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Are you sure every blog containing thoughts about Na'Vi's move won't be deleted? You should stop licking admin balls, feel free to report it.

2013-03-30 00:56

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If they are worthy of being blogs and not one paragraph texts I'm sure they wont be deleted. About the second part of your reply, keep repeating that to everyone that doesn't have the same opinion as you.

2013-03-30 00:58

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You're spreading hate and writing useless post just as your lovely admin.

2013-03-30 01:09

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At least he can string a sentence together.

2013-03-30 01:56

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2013-03-30 09:51

DAT 1.6 BUTTHURT GUY LOL. Still not tired of getting pwnd? Reply me then.

2013-03-30 14:26

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No. There's my reply. Also, you don't have to type with your caps on just so you can actually be taken seriously with any valid points.

2013-03-30 14:28

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Its ironic how guy like you talks about valid points with someone.

2013-03-30 14:42

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Is it? Because often you and your soul mates, out of the blue, leave conversations and never come back.

2013-03-30 14:48

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Maybe its just you and your soul mates don't get that you got destroyed by arguments of opposite side.

2013-03-30 15:19

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And that is why you guys stop responding? ROFL

2013-03-30 15:28

you're bad, pls stop because it's boring

2013-03-30 15:57

5 replies

You're worse since your acc got banned.

2013-03-31 23:07

4 replies

you're really bad troll, deal with it, you want to be good but you always fail, sad story ;/ try harder

2013-03-31 23:37

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You just posted the reason why you got banned.

2013-03-31 23:41

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I wasn't banned, you've wrong informations

2013-03-31 23:53

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Nice try.

2013-04-01 11:01

why play when you get fucked by the admins ????

2013-03-30 00:57

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They were there to win. And they had to play to win.

2013-03-30 01:06

so in soccer whenever referees make bad calls they deserve nothing but a boycott and flame?

2013-03-30 20:20

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especialy in soccer the clubs need 2 take more control fuck the fifa/eufa who are not willing 2 make the game more trustworty help the good damn refferee corps with state of the art video stuff the game is going 2 fast now a days for the reff. so evry fucking match mistake after mistake from the reff. or the line reff... i can't watch a normal football match with out feeling frustrated because of failur off the reff.... so when you as a team feel fuckd make a focking point!

2013-03-31 06:25

wouldn't mind being fucked by the blonde admin ;)

2013-03-31 19:10

I hope they get banned from future CPH events.

2013-03-30 00:44

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I hope CPH get banned

2013-03-30 00:56

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I hope you get banned.

2013-03-30 10:25

If Fnatic was thrown to lower they would have been mad aswell and diehard fanboys would have cried using map difference as an arguement. It doesnt matter who it was, the organisation would get flame anyway. Next time just meet in fucking time, so we can avoid this shit. Points can both be MAPS and ROUNDS and that is the problem. There is not a specefic explaination for it on the website. + STFU about arriving late. They came 10-15 minutes past 10, and not 10 SHARP which is CEARLY their own mistake. NaVi was no where to be seen at 10 am.

2013-03-30 00:47

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"If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential" So what's the result of the match?

2013-03-30 00:47

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No one knows

2013-03-30 00:47

"Result of the match" is tiebreaker for two-way ties. Basically winner of head-to-head match of teams concerned goes through. In three-way tie there is no point in this tiebreaker because all 3 teams in concern would have beaten one and lost to the other team, so you automatically go to next tiebreaker which is "points differential" and obviously this means counting MAPS and not ROUNDS because it would be stupid to count rounds since teams didn't play out full 30 rounds on each map.

2013-03-30 06:16

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tell me the year when people last played out full 30 rounds in big CS competitions before you say its stupid no not count rounds because 3 way tiebreakers have always come down to round diff afaik

2013-03-30 06:58

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Tell me last time (if ever) that group stage was played in best-of-3 format? I think it is obvious that in this case map difference > round difference, or I need to explain that to you? Round difference might be taken in account after tie not being resolved even after counting map difference between all 4 teams.

2013-03-30 07:23

difference being fnatic would not of rage quit the tourny really shows the amount of class that navi has

2013-03-30 00:47

no no, the first incident is irrelevant everybody even navi accepted it. The problem here is the admins made their decision and then changed it. now try to explain this.

2013-03-30 00:49

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here you have an explain - junior admin tells the first decision, senior admin tells the second

2013-03-30 00:55

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"senior" admin all powerfull to bend rules and favor their friends teams? explain

2013-03-30 01:01

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if i offer to you another explain, you will ask for more and more.

2013-03-30 01:04

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no no only explain this, and I will not make another request. I think this dont make sense and smell very corrupt. this is very serious and deserve good discussion and solid explanation. I dont like corrupt getting away with it only because dislike a team.

2013-03-30 01:11

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okay, well i offer my first explain only to the comment "the admins made their decision and then changed it"...i think my explain is okay for this. however, i am not present at copenhagen, if there is this "senior" admin, i do not know. it is possible that the first decision was said by a low level admin, but it was an incorrect decision sry for my language, i hope you can understand this explain../it is only a idea, is it possible a wrong

2013-03-30 01:18

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yes I understand. to be honest this is all very big mess, navi failed big initially, but after it seem cph did controversial move. I will wait for CPH official statement and then decide who is rigth or wrong. goodnigth

2013-03-30 01:20

RIP English And you're wrong!

2013-03-30 01:02

According to semphis when he arrived, he saw Na`Vi guys setting up, so who's lying now? Too many flops from the admins side to be able to believe them honestly!

2013-03-30 01:00

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I'm there myself :-)

2013-03-30 01:20

10-15 minutes past 10? Were you there AT the Copenhagen Games? I highly doubt that.

2013-03-30 02:03

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I am. I am Danish, but my mother isnt danish, which explains the flag. I am a fan of Edward, and I came as spectator and I will be there again tomorrow.:-).

2013-03-30 02:21

Points can be only maps in this case, its not a 30rounds gs. Doesn't make any sense. But totally agree about the arriving late part with you.

2013-03-30 06:47

Are you master of nothing? Go to NAVI website and watch the actual video when they talk to admins. The admins already agree about counting the points BECAUSE that is the REAL RULES that has been written in CPH site. BUT what happen there was fanatic ask and has been told that if they win even only 1 map against NAVI, they already got the top 1 and that's where the trouble starts.

2013-04-01 05:57

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Still told fnatic after the first map, that they would advance in the turnament with 1 map, which they got. + fnatic did not even use any special tactics, because they thought they were secured. They could easyly destroy navi again.

2013-04-01 15:26

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And that is the cause WHY the admins change the rule to favor DANISH FANATIC instead of sticking with original rules with will allow NAVI to go top 1.

2013-04-02 07:16

not tl;dr at all I read this in like 1 minute. I debated with you a bit on Twitter lurppis and although I think it hurts the fans, I've started to agree with your point-of-view :) I know, someone on HLTV who is open to debate and changing their mind, shocking!

2013-03-30 00:44

Right words lurppis! +1, definitely right decision by Na'Vi and really shameful decision by CPH Games.

2013-03-30 00:45

The hype of CPH games has been deflated so fast. It was shaping up to be an excellent tourny. Lots of good games and teams and now this will be the story of the event.

2013-03-30 00:46

lurrpis,nice as always

2013-03-30 00:46

not suprised since you're licking navi ass since they exist

2013-03-30 00:47

My dreamteam destroyed.

2013-03-30 00:48

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hahah same here..thankgod I have only markeloff on my dt..don't know if they will count his group matches frags as they pulled out

2013-03-30 00:55

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I had markeloff edward zeus and starix xD @topic I totally agree with your opinion and hltv needs people like you lurppis to not be afraid to speak the truth !

2013-03-30 01:10

Totally agree. Just if you look at the group the map loss is giving a disadvantage to everyone in the group since it's just a free map for Bx3 no matter if they lost or won. Same as happened to Nostalgie. They got forfeited because one of their PCs did not work yet they rented PCs from CPH Games! NaVi did the right thing there and I do hope that something will change. ESport just doesn't seem professional enough yet. Again and again you read about unpaid price money (I bet you could tell us plenty of stories about this), delays at basically every event and whatnot. I'm really excited to see what zero gravity is going to do with Natus Vincere and other big organisations all over the world. "Alex Kokhanovskyy: Na`VI to initiate the creation of E-sports Teams Association. NO MORE SUCKERS IN E-SPORTS FROM NOW ON!"

2013-03-30 00:48

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I really like ZeroGravity's idea. That's what the E-Sports scene needs at the moment, hopefully it won't take long to realize this idea.

2013-03-30 01:04

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we already had "G7 Teams Federation", and all they did were screaming like pussies and doing nothing for e-sports.

2013-03-30 17:48

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Yeah I remember that, orgas like mouz, fnatic, SK, mibr +3 Hopefully this time it'll be different!

2013-03-30 17:52

Did they not BOYCOTT several tournaments that didn't pay out prizes? I think that is EXACTLY what an authorizing e-Sports body should be doing.

2013-03-31 19:10

I hope now these stupid kids hating on Na`Vi will realize that the pull out wasn't just rage quit as some idiots have been saying.

2013-03-30 00:48

Stay ot quit ... i can't see them win someting with this kind of game ... I don't think it is good one respected player as you to write ... "I think Na`Vi made the right move." , because this game is on the edge ...

2013-03-30 00:48

By their own rule book, their every method of breaking ties still puts navi, epsilon,fnatic in a 3 way tie. Even assuming that default map loss to BX3 was justified(actually it was not), no where in their own rulebook it says that maps will be used to break ties. They choose maps to break tie instead of rounds because it suited a danish team.

2013-03-30 00:49

It all boils down to the default map loss and whether Na`Vi are in the wrong or in the right. The whole argument about round difference between the three teams is stupid because they didn't make teams play out all 30 rounds, so the difference is going to be completely skewed depending on which side teams started on the different maps. It HAD to go to maps won and lost and when it was a tie they HAD to take the other match into account. If the CPH Games admins aren't lying about what happened then it's Na`Vi's fault for coming into the event later than they should have (I see no reason for the admins to randomly tell Na`Vi to show up later than anyone else and then lie about it publically). If Na`Vi are telling the truth then it's on the admins for handing out a silly map default when they should have been more lenient. Quitting the tournament completely is the wrong move though and just makes them look like spoiled children, which isn't all that surprising given their reputation...

2013-03-30 00:49

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The issue wasn't Na`Vi arriving late (as I explained in my blog, if only you read it), but one of their PCs not working. How could that not be on Copenhagen Games? If they didn't quit, everyone would have forgotten about this by next week. This is the only way something might ever happen so this kind of ridiculous bullshit would stop in eSports.

2013-03-30 00:52

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I did read it and the PC not working is obviously on the Copenhagen Games but if Na`Vi had arrived at the same time as everyone else (9am) then they'd have managed to get their PC's set-up and any problems sorted in time for the matches to start. Again, it's down to Na`Vi's word against the tournament admins and I see no reason why the admins would tell them to arrive later than every other team at the event. Details of the schedule were even published on their website, your website and our website days before it kicked off, anyone in their right minds would know that if matches start at 10am then you arrive at least an hour before that to get set-up.. It's common sense.

2013-03-30 00:57

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they where on time read the fucking stuff that get's posted.... navi calling they where on time before 9 a clock the first navi guy was informing asking wat is the plan

2013-03-30 01:00

It all went upside down for Natus Vincere since the very beginning of the tournament. At the start of the day tournament staff told Natus Vincere's manager to arrive at 10:00 am which later turned out to be all of a sudden a 9:00 am. When the team arrived at the venue, one of the PCs wasn't working which caused the delay. According to the rules, one the following punishments could be applied to Na`Vi. navi-gaming.com/news_show.php?news_id=13..

2013-03-30 01:02

If my manager was on-site a day before and an admin told him to be there at ten, I would show up at ten. Copenhagen Games admins have been asking our people for help because they literally have no clue about running a tourney (as proven by this, and the last two events). Why could one of them not have gotten the time wrong? Why wouldn't they wait for Na`Vi once they were all in there and only had a PC issue?

2013-03-30 01:02

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you talking about semphis comming in and na'vi already being there but i beleave quantic were already set up from the day before. so i mean that point is invalid, all he had to do was switch his PC on?

2013-03-30 01:10

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And all Na`V would have had to do was switch their PCs on, spend five minutes setting up and played -- had their PCs worked. It's obviously not the players' fault if the PCs themselves do not work.

2013-03-30 01:11

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daymmnnn

2013-03-30 01:16

I would say that we are talking about a BYOC lan; it is totally on the teams to make sure that they are there on time with their computers set up and ready to play when the match goes live. Yes, CPH games should make their policies with respect to the rented computers clear, and give very clear instructions of when to come there to pick them up to make sure everything is ok. However, it shows a terrible lack of judgement from NaVi to show up a few minutes before the match goes live. They are supposed to be adults who are able to check for themselves what the schedule of the tournament is and should not rely on a single admin telling something (they make mistakes as we have seen).

2013-03-30 01:24

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it is supposed that admin knows the schedule

2013-03-30 11:13

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Of course the admin should know the schedule. It doesn't change the fact that I have no idea how a team like NaVi comes to an event without being aware of what the schedule is like, and trusts the word of 1 guy (who can make a mistake, or there can easily be a misunderstanding) instead of looking it up on any website. They should take all responsibility for showing up way too late, although of course computer problems contributed to them getting the default loss.

2013-03-30 11:18

rofl, then why last year copenhagen games were considered as one of the best tournaments (if not the best)?

2013-03-30 01:17

They did not show up at 10 am but 10-15 minutes later. I was a spectator myself this morning, and there was no NaVi player around the non-BYOC arena at 10 am, since guests were discussing it aswell.

2013-03-30 04:26

As TaZ said, a real manager would have double/triple checked to ensure his team were on-time and correctly prepared, not gone on some vague "Yeah 10ish" answer given by a clueless admin. Not only this, but if an admin told you games start at 10, you have no set up PC's that you haven't tested yet (yes admins should have tested them too), you might want to consider showing up quite a lot earlier than the time GAMES START?

2013-03-31 13:25

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you clearly haven't read the statements: admins told them to BE THERE at 10, which suggests games start at 11.

2013-03-31 17:19

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It clearly stated games started at 10AM (CET), I've been in the UK nowhere near the LAN only spectating via-twitch and keeping updated on this site and I even knew games started at 10. For them to say that and for you to try and half heartedly defend them seems somewhat of a cop-out.

2013-03-31 23:05

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it's a lot easier to find out when matches are starting when you're at home and get to go on hltv.org or listen to streams, read twitter etc. i'm not sure if that was the case, but based on twitter markeloff & co arrived in copenhagen fairly late on the previous night so they probably didn't go online to check, simply trusted their manager who, apparently foolishly, trusted the event organizers.

2013-04-01 01:13

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But again you're blaming the event organizers when its not completely their fault. As a manager AND as a player, the first thing you do is surely find out when you start playing, seeing as that's what they were there to do... I think that part was Na'Vi's fault, but for everything else that happened I think that was appalling communication between team and staff, as well as a complete cock-up by the Copenhagen Staff (if what's been stated is true). But overall I think leaving the event was a completely foolish thing to do on behalf of Na'Vi.

2013-04-02 15:14

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you gotta stand up for what you believe in

2013-04-02 15:23

I'm with NaVi as well. But encouraging a boycott is definitely not the way to solve this :/ Actually, it doesn't even come down to that default map loss. You always evaluate internally before anything else. As you say, they would've gone to round difference anyway had NaVi not gotten that default loss. But the Cph Games admins haven't even noted actual map results on their own site from the start. It's absolutely ridiculous :( But there's no reason to include the fourth team if there's another internal factor to be taken into account between the teams in question. So it doesn't make much sense. Furthermore, Friss asked an admin at 1-0 if fnatic would still win the group with a 1-2 loss, and got a clear yes from two admins. So it's looking a lot like them not wanting to look bad afterwards, the admins that is. The match should actually have been replayed if anything, because fnatic got fooled as well, as they were let to believe by admins that they had absolutely nothing to lose. So I very much agree about the incompetent admins. On top of that you should be able to tie in a group stage match. So it should actually have been BO2 at the most with points for ties and wins. BO2/3 is always nice of course, but it makes no sense when every team moves on anyway. The time would be much better spend with BO3 in lower bracket as well as upper bracket in the playoffs :/ All in all this is really a shame and embarrassing for the tournament and Cph Games. No matter how you can interpret the rules due to ambiguousness, it doesn't matter, because internal is internal, and a tie should always be solved internally before including the rest of the group. Sad story indeed, which definitely doesn't help tying the community closer together, making teams and players support the events, but just the opposite unfortunately :/ Kudos on the blog though.

2013-03-30 13:09

Your argument on Maps and Rounds are flawed, if 30 rounds should of been forced, then playing all 3 maps should of been forced, even if it was already 2-0.

2013-03-30 02:13

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What? How does that make sense. My point is that if they were to consider rounds before maps they would have had to make teams play all rounds. The fact that they didn't play out the rounds meant that the admins would use maps before rounds in the event of a tie, complaining about them doing that is ridiculous... Say Na`Vi played de_nuke twice, starting on the CT side both times and winning 16-4 each time. fnatic on the other hand start on the T side twice on de_nuke and lose both matches 16-4.. How is it fair allowing an inherent side/map bias to decide which teams progress to the next round? You're basically letting the upper bracket rest on a knife round.

2013-03-30 02:29

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Okay your method in a three way tie: Maps then Rounds between these 3 teams: Navi = 2-1, 1-2, = 0 Fnatic = 1-2, 2-1 = 0 Epsilon = 2-1, 1-2 = 0 It's a Tie. Now what? Count Rounds between these 3 teams? or Maps including BX3? CPH Rules state they will do rounds, but they ignored it and did Maps including BX3 sending Na'Vi to lower bracket. Anyhow if we do Maps: Na'Vi = 2-1, 1-2, 2-1 = +1 Fnatic = 2-1, 2-0, 1-2 = +2 Epsilon = 1-2, 2-1, 2-0 = +2 Fnatic and Epsilon are through. But wait a Minute! Na'Vi played 9 maps and Fnatic and Epsilon only played 8. Do you understand why your theory is flawed as well? The number of maps are not the same , and therefore should of been played, if BX3 were allowed to play the 3rd map even when they have "lost" 2-0, but they manage to pull it back everyone will be tied again. If you say all 30 rounds should be played, then all maps should be played, so there will be equal numbers of rounds played and maps by each team. This is the FAIR way.

2013-03-30 02:37

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I get your point but that just seems like an overly pedantic way of looking at it. The reason Na`Vi played an extra map is because they, in theory at least, lost a map where the others didn't. That means that they, in theory, were the weaker team over the course of the day, if you get what I mean. I'd say a teams performance over a best of three match is a better barometer of their ability than their performance in a single map that has so many variables (momentum shifts, knife for sides etc etc). It's the same reason best of three matches are preferred to best of one. I guess the fairest way would be to have play-off matches but that'd simply take too much time.

2013-03-30 02:44

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I understand that is the more logical way of approaching a tournament structure. But what i was talking about, was not how it should be changed to make it fair. Also i was only stating my argument against yours to count Maps as points instead of rounds, as you mentioned, fairer - which i tried my best to show you that it was not. My point, which i did not state clearly in any of my posts, is that they should of been the winners of the group if we went by the OFFICIAL CPH RULES stated on there website. For it to be changed (twice) is well, i don't know what kind of word will describe it, maybe retarded?

2013-03-30 03:01

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The official rules are worded so strangely there's no telling what they could have meant though. They use the word "points differential" instead of "rounds" or "maps".

2013-03-30 03:04

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It says between these 3 teams. If we did Maps it would be tied So we had to do rounds anyway. 1.Na'Vi 2.Epsilon 3.Fnatic Understand now? :'(

2013-03-30 03:09

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I've always understood :D What I'm saying is that if it's still tied after working it out between the three teams they had two options, include the other teams rounds, or tally up the points. Nothing in their rules say's which option they should have taken but in my opinion the former is the fairest.

2013-03-30 03:10

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Oh, so you agreed Na'Vi should have been sent through to upper bracket =) ?

2013-03-30 03:14

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No haha, for the reasons I explained above :D

2013-03-30 03:15

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Eh? No you didn't understand me then ='( If we followed rules of CPH Na'Vi would be through no matter which option was taken (maps or rounds between 3 teams) - but CPH changed it to count maps between 4 teams, i won't bother anymore... getting quite late as well!...!!!!!!gn8

2013-03-30 03:19

or include round difference between 3 teams,and if its still three way tie,you include last placed team.

2013-03-30 03:53

CPH Rules state they will do rounds - just pointing out that this isn't true - if it was it would've never been an issue. The rules say "points", which could mean anything ;>

2013-03-30 09:26

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True what i meant was they had 2 Options. Between the 3 teams involved: -Maps = Tie -Rounds = Navi Upper Bracket No matter which option was taken, they would have to choose Rounds, because Maps would be a tie. But the admins decided to "alter" the rules, by including BX3. Stated in CPH statement they showed the 3 Steps. They missed out a step by including round difference. The excuse of not playing 30 rounds is not valid, as not all maps were played either. Well it's over now, now i wait for ZeroGravity Blog in his side of the story. Loving the controversy.

2013-03-30 13:33

I don't get it. In [POD]Cast, you chastised admins for their lenience with top teams because they tend to be fans of said teams. This seems contradictory to your previous opinion; correct me if I'm wrong.

2013-03-30 00:50

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in [pod]cast we talked about teams being late and abusing admins' respect for them. this time na`vi was forfeited due to one of their computers not working. that is 110% copenhagen games' fault.

2013-03-30 00:56

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It's funny though how often the serial offenders in terms of delays etc, like Na'vi, ESC and in old days MtW, cite "computer problems" as the cause for delays. The question, as a system administrator, is what the fuck they do to fuck up every computer they touch.

2013-03-30 01:03

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last year some winfakt players didn't have 100fps because the rental computers were so bad. this year nostalgie and na`vi (yes, na`vi wasn't the only one!) had to forfeit a map because the shitty rental computers once again didn't work. na`vi were not the only ones who had to forfeit because of computer issues with copenhagen games' OWN RENTAL COMPUTERS.

2013-03-30 01:06

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And as usual, you either miss the point, or deliberately sidestep it: Na'vi and the others I mentioned have, or in MtW's case had, "computer problems" at pretty much EVERY event, including on home turf It's systematic abuse, and frankly, disrespectful towards organisers and other teams. It points to diva tendencies, and a lack of sportsmanship and common human decency. And, as I pointed out elsewhere, if you have to ask when you should be there, ON THE SAME DAY THE EVENT IS, you've fucked up. They are a pro team, they should have backup plans ready to cover such eventualities(like, say, having a barebones install on a laptop, even a budget laptop kept clean can run CSGO at 100FPS, and if you can't you're browsing way too many dodgy sites and installing way too much crap that infects the computer). Heh, if I showed up to a customer, and then saying "Oh, I'll have to delay the presentation because I have computer trouble.....", that customer would RIGHTLY consider me an idiot and a disgrace....

2013-03-30 01:22

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Mate your missing the point, they bloody paid for those rental computers, and your solution is to bring a computer that can run CS:GO? What's the effing point of renting one in the first place. I don't know the situation about the delay + late arrival about Na'Vi, but if it was purely on because one of their rental computers didn't work, and they got penalized for it, then that for me is total fucking bullshit.

2013-03-30 02:17

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No, I'm not missing the point: The point is, they are a pro team. If they can't get there in time to properly check out the rental hardware, they should have a fallback solution, which should, if they were more disciplined and professional, been the primary solution. The point is, for Na'Vi and some others, "computer problems" is an excuse to behave as they wish, seeing how they have alleged computer problems every single tournament. In real sports, the athletes are on-site HOURS before the start of a start, for equipment checks and such, and the managers plan for that weeks beforehand, not the day before or on the same day. Na'Vi's been unprofessional and undisciplined, they whined about it, they are crying about it and heading home, and the gullible ones are defending them

2013-03-30 02:32

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Still missing the point that tournaments in eSports don't start on time and you can't compare them to athletes showing up on time. Why? Because all of these players have been to plenty of tournaments and probably only once or twice have they started on time. You see when it's happened that often, the teams loose respect for the organizers of tournaments and just show up as late as they can, because they are expecting a minimum of an hour delay. It's a snowball effect. The first couple of LANs team show up early and expect to play ASAP. Later they just learn eSports is always late and why should they pay the price of showing up early and get tired of not doing anything because organizers fuck things up. I know they should always show up on time and not expect things, but put yourself in there shoes. At one point they just say "Well tournaments admins don't respect us, why should we respect them and show up earlier than we really have to" And that is why eSports isn't truly serious enough. Both teams and organizers have given up on each other so to say.

2013-03-30 02:51

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Tournaments don't start on time because teams don't prepare to be ready to start on time. And plenty of players have been to tournaments that were ready to start on time, but the players weren't. You're overestimating the so-called snowball effect. The bigger issue is the fact that most of the players have never had to organise much, and they are young people who've suddenly gotten a certain amount of fame. No, there is NO excuse for being tardy, undisciplined and unprofessional and worst of all, behaving like children instead of the adults they are supposed to be. The only way to get esports to be serious, is to enforce discipline: Pre-match Warm-ups and team huddle start 15 minutes before the set start time. Start time, the match starts, and off you go. 5 minutes delay, 3 rounds penalty, 10 minutes delay and you forfeit the match(Which is still generous compared to real sports, where you'd have no milder penalty, it'd go straight to walk-over or forfeit)

2013-03-30 03:18

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My team ( Quantic ) arrived one day early and skipped an extra day of boot camp to make sure our PC's worked fine and were rewarded with a day of unplayable CS:GO on LAN and online by constant networ drops every 5 minutes that would DC our entire team. Even with an entire day of being aware of these network problems three of my official matches dropped everyone in the server mid match. It took our first crashed match 4 hours to start up again because the admins at CPH Games didn't have rcon to their own servers so they couldn't simply restart the server and put start money 6.5k which delay every game and the tournament significantly. Our OT game vs alternate also had a glitch with the overtime config where since we had won the last round and both teams readied up instantly we all had our gear from the previous round we won and thought it wasn't live so we got caught thinking it was pre game and lost the round, I went and told the admin and spent another 45 minutes waiting for him to restart the server and put max rounds 6 start money 10k which I guess without rcon takes forever. Not to mention all these delays that were not caused by me or any team that I played made the tournament go to almost 3 AM and it takes us a good hour to get back home so we all got a nice 4-5 hours to sleep before having to wake up and come back for more matches. Really fair for the players isn't it? Don't forget that the admins did nothing to actually enforce matches starting on time, it seemed that as long as teams were at the venue they didn't care when you actually readied up so it was up to the players to make sure the matches started on time. This was more of an issue even when the 2nd or 3rd maps were supposed to be played, I remember talking to the Norwegian guy's and agreeing on something like 15 minute break for food before our game starts because we were all hungry. No admins involved in these decisions or anywhere to be found really. Which part of these events that I have transcribed is the players fault and not the tournament organizers and how does what I say not give Na'Vi more credibility than the event which admins didn't have rcon to there own servers.

2013-04-01 04:56

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//thread on cph games admins

2013-04-01 05:25

I cannot believe this shit lol. I knew they were retarded but I never even imagined they are THIS stupid. :S

2013-04-01 05:40

If admins didn't care that much about starting matches on time, why Na`Vi got forfeited for 15-minutes (or so) delay?

2013-04-03 08:22

so it's navis fault their rental pc's didn't work... it all makes sense now edit: last year one comp 100 fps, others were horrible and one had to be changed since it just didn't work.

2013-04-01 16:10

Okay i am not defending them, i am just trying to apply logic and "evidence" to this scenario. This is what we know from the statements made: -Na'Vi arrived at 9'O clock -"I asked them about what we should do because we had to get our rented computers and to register, and no one knew anything about this." - This implies the receptionist was not informed that Na'Vi were here to collect computers. Response: "Come here at 10 and we will figure something out', so we thought that there were some delays and got here at 10 sharp" This implies that they were told to arrive at 10, to collect computers. What Chance in Hell do they have of checking their computers, if it is fully functional or not, yet they get penalized for being late, as all they did was follow instructions. This to me is deemed as unfair. Your solution: -Bring equipment that can run CS:GO? -Why rent in the first place? -Check if computers are working before start? - They were told to collect computers at 10 and to start at 10 - No Chance. - Arrive Day(s) earlier to check equipment - Rental costs i believe are charged daily so money, another day of hotel is money, another day of total waste of time when they are actually not needed. This is not a dig directly at you, but if you think through it, they did not have many other options. I am waiting on a further statement from Na'Vi and CPH, so we as the community can see how unprofessional Na'Vi is. For me personally, it is terrific they are taking a stance. E-Sports need a change, and more professionalism. Believe me dude, everyone has computers problems. Do not ever compare E-Sports and Real Sports. Comparison cannot be done. There is so much more money put into Sports so there conditions will be different. There is only so much E-Sports "Professional Teams" can do.

2013-03-30 02:56

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First of all, that's only Na'Vi's side of the story, and given past actions it's not quite trustworthy. They show up at 9:00, not knowing what to do? Bad organisation by their manager, not having prepared better. As stated elsewhere, Quantic set up their computers the night before. Given other teams succesful preparations, the part about "come back at 10" seems like a blatant lie. And yes, as a professional team, you make sure that your team can play at full potential, anything else makes you unprofessional. They didn't do that, and they got penalized. Arrive day(s) earlier? Works for other teams, including non-pro teams in some cases. If you're a miser, be prepared to have it bite you in the ass. So why aren't NiP having even a tenth of the computer problems at LAN? And comparing esports with real sports IS a valid comparison, and that just makes it more embarrassing for esports. Because there are childrens leagues, ages 9 and up, where there are no pro teams at all, where the teams have much higher discipline and preparedness. I used to compete in mountainbiking from age 12 up to age 19. I was not on a pro-team, I had no sponsorship, all my financing was done by selling lottery tickets and such, and a little support from the non-profit sports club I was in(reasonable travel costs, such as fuel etc, competition entry fees etc). Yet I travelled all around Sweden, competing, and later on across the nordic countries as I got older. My only support team was my father, who did the driving, was the bike mechanic, and my manager and medic. So don't try to claim that the money is what makes the difference. What makes the difference is the discipline people go into the competitions with, and the professionalism of team and organisation.

2013-03-30 03:33

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Just so you know, reading through the conversation I totally agree with you. I think the most embarassing thing to do for Na'Vi was to quit. What kind of decision is that? This is not a riot, this is not a march against unequality or in this case, against admins or tournament hosts. Just accept the fact that sometimes referees make "bad" calls, it DOES NOT mean that you freaking /ragequit after. How many times in soccer are there bad calls? All the time. Still the players aren't like "Yeah I'll quit because I'm being treated like crap".

2013-03-30 08:41

this guy must be the best LANner ever :D:

2013-04-01 16:14

Properly check the rented hardware? That hardware is rented by the organization of the tournament, so something's not right with it, it's the organizers fault! I'm not commenting on other issues!

2013-03-30 04:49

"They are a pro team, they should have backup plans ready to cover such eventualities(like, say, having a barebones install on a laptop" LOL this is probably on the all time most retarded posts -list in this site's history, and that's saying something

2013-04-01 05:35

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You have never done any competition in a real sport have u lurppis? =) I think your comment right there nominates for the most childish ragecrap ever postet on here. Maybe you are not suppose to bring spare barebones, but ALL gamers know that taking on a new computer, installing drivers etc, is RARELY a flawless matter. Thats why you be prepared of such things, by being early. Absolutely unrealistic that admins should have checked all the venue computers every 5 minutes up until the event. Are you insane? Electronics breaks down and malfunctions, it is nobodys fault, but the least you can do is the prepare for such things, by being early instead of late. This is just common sense for 10 year olds, how did it get this far out? It worrys me to know you are scandinavian, we are usually taught better from home.

2013-04-03 17:49

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the players aren't taking on a new computer or installing drivers. they are given a functional (well, not in starix' case) computer that they simply have to plug in their peripherals and change in-game settings. when an n!faculty player's computer did't work in vienna, he didn't get forfeited. that's how it should be. if cph games forfeited na`vi upon arrival late, i would have agreed. but once they gave them time to setup and play, and the only reason they couldn't make it was a malfunctioning computer, it was the organizers' fault.

2013-04-03 18:00

afaik Nostalgi dont use CPH-G PC's, but PC's rented another place in Copenhagen

2013-03-30 09:37

or if they had rocked up early or on time(like everyone else) they could of tested the pc and got it fixed on time but hey they are navi and can turn up when they want

2013-03-30 01:04

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it seems that nostalgie turned up on time (as no one has claimed they didn't) but they also had to forfeit the first map due to pc issues. was that their fault, too?

2013-03-30 01:07

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No but not CPH games fault either .. they didnt rent it at the organisers, as ruggah just wrote ^

2013-04-03 22:48

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imo that's irrelevant, computer issues shouldn't lead to forfeits.

2013-04-03 22:50

Sorry its off topic but can you tell me when will the dream-team market will open as matches are about to start in an hour and i have to make changes. and i totally agrre with your point if you are hosting such a big tournament you should take care of pc problems and all because its not teams fault.

2013-03-30 09:19

I play for BX3, and here is how it happend from my point of view. Around 9:20 we got the "veto-card" from the admins, I then go over to Navi's place, but there is no one there, no mouse or keyboard. So I asked the teams that were sitting close if they had seen them, no one had. I then went over to the admins around 9:30 to tell them that Navi isnt here yet, and ask them to get in contact with them. I go around the venue to see if I can find them, but at around 9:50 I go back to the admin to hear if they had heard anything, they hadnt. 10:15 I see the navi players walk in, I go over to veto, admins is there telling them that they are late, and now has 5 min to setup the PC's. We veto quick so the match can start. 10 mins later they still havnt set up there stuff, and the admins tell us that we won the first map on overtime. Even if starix PC had worked, they would still be late for the 20 min delay CPH has. We told the admins that we could wait for them, but they said the time schedule dindt allowed it.

2013-03-30 15:05

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in my opinion that only makes it worse for the admins, because you said you were willing to wait (assuming you do play for bx3 of course), but they blamed the schedule, which was fucked up to begin with, and didn't allow it. oh well.

2013-03-30 15:36

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It should never be on teams to ask for forfeit. If there are rules, admins should enforce them.

2013-03-30 23:19

How on earth are you actually still defending NaVi after reading what rod wrote? He clearly was on the spot, he witnessed NaVi arriving at 10.15 and NOT 10.00 sharp like you claim in your blog since you heard it from your friends at quantic. The difference between NaVi and fnatic, is that fnatic got information from admins that they had a guaranteed #1 spot after winning 1 map vs NaVi. So then they proceed a bit more relaxed, maybe they decide to save some tactics etc. After they lose 2-1 they get told by the same admins they are now #3rd. Of course they complain about that. Who wouldn't? What could fnatic have done to prevent that? Not trust the admins? NaVi on the other hand could have checked the CPH game schedules. How could BX3 manage to turn up when they should, and navi couldn't? Yes, maybe NaVi got misinformed, like fnatic, but they could have CHECKED it. "But the problem was that they rented PCs that wasn't 100% from CPH games, so that is CPH games' fault". NO it is NOT CPH games' fault. It is however NaVi's fault that they did not show up earlier to test the equipment. Here again, NaVi COULD have done something to prevent the situation. In the end, NaVi was lazy, as usual, showed up late as documented by navi's opponents, as usual. It was well deserved, they should have accepted the penalty and continued in the LB where they easily should have been able to go far. Maybe NaVi learned something from this, and might actually show up a bit EARLIER next time. This is their job, when people who aren't paid can manage to do stuff like this the professionals like NaVi who gets paid for this should go ahead as an good example and show up early and not late.

2013-03-31 04:24

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Well said.

2013-03-31 04:29

2013-04-03 22:50

I definitely agree that this is the right move if it is true that the rules say something and the admins changed their mind and did something else. What is even more pathetic is how tournament organizers after years and years of arranging tournaments can't write down a proper ruleset, which has absolutely no ambiguities. The only thing where admins should maybe have some room for judgement is when to penalize people for breaking some rules, but for example how ties in the group are decided should always be known beforehand by all the teams. However, I think it is rather lousy from Na'Vi not to take any responsibility of what happened in the morning. If you have to do something where there is some uncertainty, whether it is traffic, computer problems or whatever, you always go beforehand to check that everything is ok. You don't go there at the last minute, no matter what an admin says, and trust that everything magically goes perfect and you get to start on time.

2013-03-30 00:50

Just something I think is worth adding: fnatic had all the reasons to "rage", if that is in fact what they did. They'd gone into the Na´Vi matchup assuming that no matter the outcome, they would advance to the upper bracket playoffs. So changing the relevance of this particular match afterwards is not something one should expect any team to just accept.

2013-03-30 00:51

As far as I remember ESC didn't get another chance when NaVi beat them while ghosting. Guess life sucks when admins aren't on your side... Nothing will get better in the future, how many teams are actually ready when the match is about to begin? It isn't like online tournaments are fun smoothly, it is the same old shit every time, idiots playing videogames.. You can't expect admins to be anything else.

2013-03-30 00:53

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Na`Vi ghosted? when was this? that time someone looked behind their back and didn't tell his teammates what was happening? Everyone does that, all the time.

2013-03-30 01:03

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fRoD did it aswell, I am sure you remember. Also, if that was the case, why would fnatic and ESC complain about it? Admins also fuck up all the time, so I guess NaVi shouldn't have left the tournament after all?

2013-03-30 01:08

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fRoD looked at the screen, clearly, but it had no effect on the way I played the round. People like to complain. I'm pretty sure just about everyone looks at the big screen sometimes to find out how a situation will play out. Na`Vi lost the round when ceh9 supposedly ghosted, because they looked at the wrong place. Obviously he didn't tell them anything.

2013-03-30 01:10

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Arguing that it should be legal and perfectly okay to have 10 players turn around on their chairs and look at the bigscreen every time they die is pretty far out there if you ask me.

2013-03-30 01:17

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No one has EVER told me that I can't look at the big screen. EVER. And I've played a few matches on stage.

2013-03-30 01:21

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Because no-one is dumb enough to think thats okay.. Just stop...

2013-03-30 01:29

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i've been told i'm not allowed to ghost, but i've looked at the big screen at e.g. iem tournaments on the big stage, and then not opened my mouth again or touched my peripherals so there is no way i could ghost. esl admins have seen that, and they have never said anything. if someone said i'm not allowed to look, i wouldn't look, but the reality is you sometimes see the screen even on accident when you turn around to look at your teammates. you just can't speak about it.

2013-03-30 12:52

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Yes. You may follow the rules, but that does not mean all others would, especially less professionals if we could say so. There need to be a straight line, and watching big screen while beeing on voice communication with team is just a no-go! We have over and over seen people who cant manage having such info, maybe you could, but not all can.

2013-03-30 12:56

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of course not everyone can, but i'm just saying there has literally NEVER been a rule that says you can't look, which i think is part of the issue. i would have NEVER looked at the screen if i was told not to, but if i thought it did nothing bad, i would remove my headset, my arms from my peripherals, look at how a 1v1 is gonna go, and then not open my mouth until the round is over. i recall doing that e.g. in the pistol round of iem iv world champs semi-final vs na`vi, when n0thing wasn't sure which site the bomb was planted on. he still chose wrong and lost, because i didn't say anything.

2013-03-30 13:14

I don't know if it is even in the rules in tournaments, but I am sure everyone is against ghosting regardless. Having looking at the screen legal and ghosting illegal doesn't really work in my opinion.

2013-03-30 01:29

I always read your post, and i almost always agree with you. You have a brillant insider look at how things are going. - But this post is the most retarded thing you ever wrote. "no one told me, that i'm not allowed to look at the big screen". Sorry bro, u just spittet in my face. All of the respect i got for you, is gone.

2013-03-30 02:33

Well then it's perfectly alright, ain't it? (...)

2013-03-30 04:26

wasn't just one round he looked according to : youtu.be/xVSpf8CDk1U?t=54m30s Just wanna add, this move won't really "help" any problems for the sake of eSports.

2013-03-30 04:20

I agree man, everything smelled fishy.

2013-03-30 00:53

i think navi should of show the world that they are the best team in the world and fuck em all up and show us what the CHAMPIONS are made of. fuck the seedindgs fuck everything and come from lower bracket show that they are the best. THAT THEY ARE THE LEGENDS THAT EVERYONE FROM 1.6 KNOW THAT THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK EVERYTHIGGGGG ELSE FUCK THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!!! THIS JUST SHOWS THAT THEY ARE AFRAID. THEY ARE SSCARED!!!!!!!! WT"FUCKING"FFFFFFFFFFFFFF????!?!??!!!!!!!!

2013-03-30 00:54

If they were really good, they would have beaten Epsilon and they wouldn't get in this situation . Imo they acted childish and it was more of a ragequit, but that's only my opinion no need to flame :) .

2013-03-30 00:55

Na'Vi got screwed but they should have still played out the lower bracket to prove they are one of the top CS teams instead of folding when something doesn't go their way. If they are truly a great team they should be able to rise above a situation like this.

2013-03-30 00:59

"Another day, another terrible event." You dribbling mess..

2013-03-30 00:59

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+1 I've never seen someone hate a scene so much but still begrudgingly follow and support it.

2013-03-30 01:02

2 replies

He has no life. The guy is obviously a tool, and it isn't worth saying any more..

2013-03-30 01:04

1 reply

daymmmmnnnn

2013-03-30 01:16

i think i agree. "but I can only assume they weren't late on purpose." that's just stating the obvious...who would be, really?

2013-03-30 00:59

Lurppis is a spoiled kid. Don't believe in his words.

2013-03-30 01:00

1 reply

go sleep kiddo

2013-03-30 01:03

navi make a bad decision for the game, now the biggest so far tournament for cs:go loses stream viewers, and all the story is of navi. it is unfair for the other teams. better to be sportsmenlike and continue in the lower bracket.

2013-03-30 01:01

"Copenhagen Games also completely went against their own rules in 2011 to knock Finnish Online Kingdom out in the second group stage in favor of mTw and M5. This is not anywhere near the first case of them not having any idea of how to run a tournament." Let's not forget about this.

2013-03-30 01:03

1 reply

yeah i remember this. something similar in the cases. mtw danish, fnatic danish. conspiracy?? :D

2013-03-30 01:07

i agree with you on everything you said. well written

2013-03-30 01:04

Nomad please kick this guy out from the HLTV crew.

2013-03-30 01:06

8 replies

stfu stupid kid

2013-03-30 01:07

1 reply

ur comment reflects the standard of this marvelous community.

2013-03-30 01:09

why? cuz he told his opinion? o_O

2013-03-30 01:11

3 replies

he's too stupid to understand..

2013-03-30 01:16

A HLTV.org crew member should be neutral. And this guy is struggling about every questionable thing. No one else does that of the crew. He just generates strain. Do it on an another site/blog idk, but not here as a HLTV.org crew member.

2013-03-30 01:27

1 reply

blog is a personal thing. he didnt write this in the news so i dont see anything wrong about it. also what he said makes sense the only thing where he might be wrong is the fact who's pc were or that he got some wrong informations

2013-03-30 01:32

I've said this a gazillion times, if you don't like the admins, feel free to leave go to cadead.org and never return to hltv.org. I'm 100% certain that the staff here will agree with me!

2013-03-30 01:18

1 reply

sorry, i don't care about that site

2013-03-30 01:27

admins took na`vi as dick heads na`vi did the right thing by leaving

2013-03-30 01:07

7 replies

They're scared they couldn't make it out of the lower bracket. Na'Vi top 200

2013-03-30 01:08

6 replies

THIS!

2013-03-30 01:12

ofc and top200 still beat fnatic. sad for them

2013-03-30 01:18

4 replies

Then why not play through the lower bracket and prove it? Pride? Ego? Fear?

2013-03-30 01:20

3 replies

navi-gaming.com/news_show.php?news_id=13..

2013-03-30 01:21

Dignity

2013-03-30 04:36

1 reply

+1 Well said

2013-03-30 07:41

This is such bs... NaVi could just show up on time and this would never happen... One time a whine bi*** always a whine bit**

2013-03-30 01:11

14 replies

1) read what lurppis wrote about pc problems 2) repeat the first step untill you get it seriously how dumb can u get

2013-03-30 01:14

11 replies

Do u really believe that ONLY pc problems caused this? Wow, u really most be a true fanboy... All the things NaVi said about them not being late and all that stuff is not true, so plz, stay in ur belief that NaVi did the right thing, i wont stop u believing everything cryppis and MarkelOFF says..

2013-03-30 01:18

1 reply

1) im not a navi fanboy so youre wrong 2) the word is that admins told them they have 5 minutes to start ELSE they might loose 1st map. navi couldnt start cuz of pc problems. cphgames organizers were responsible for this. if you still dont get it you probably would if you werent danish cuz if someone here is showing fanboyism is you to your danish organizers

2013-03-30 01:26

That's like only listening to a prisoners version of a robbery. I mean, HOW DUMB CAN U GET?

2013-03-30 01:23

8 replies

the probability that admins told navi that they have 5 minutes to start is extremely high (also why would they make this up when they have already a good excuse about some admin telling them to come at 10am?). so yeah, extremely likely what lurppis said, only have to use brains for 1 minute or less

2013-03-30 01:29

7 replies

... That is really the only thing i can get out of what u just wrote...

2013-03-30 01:38

That makes no sense. "The probability is high"? Dude, you haven't heard both versions of this. CHG will probably make an announcement about it. Stop calling ppl stupid when you don't know shit.

2013-03-30 01:43

5 replies

i didnt say something is a fact. its true, i know nothing except from what i've heard. im only saying its very unlikely that navi lied about the 5 minutes and if they couldnt start playing cuz of pc its cphgames's fault. not gonna argue with you, i called him dumb cuz he was saying shit without arguments

2013-03-30 01:53

4 replies

So, you think it's better to listen to shit and then justify it? Why is it unlikely, lurrpderp doesn't know anything.

2013-03-30 02:02

3 replies

yes if you say shit you should also tell why youre shitting over someone. its unlikely cuz they already had an awesome excuse, making another one would just be too suspicious, idk i just cant see why would someone make up another excuse, it doesnt make any sense. ohh and it wasnt only lurppis, the 5min was told before

2013-03-30 02:09

2 replies

HAHA, oh my.

2013-03-30 02:11

1 reply

i guess we are done with the talking, 1:0 in maps for me, gg

2013-03-30 02:17

Yep that's it! Ignore that CPH rented broken computer to at least 2 teams, ignore that the admins magically went from 4-0 to 6-0 and gave 10k to all the players (WTF? WHO DOES THAT? ARE WE 12 YEAR OLDS?) Ignore that they changed the rules last year for mTw and M5 to advance over OK, ignore that they don't have proper rulebook, ignore everything, sit quiet and 'enjoy' a terribly organized event!

2013-03-30 01:16

1 reply

2013-03-30 11:38

It's been made clear to a lot of us here at hltv.org how incompetent CPH admins are. They should really look up to events like Dreamhack!

2013-03-30 01:13

Im starting like you . Agree with all

2013-03-30 01:14

Anyone else seriously looking forward to the next episode of PODCAST? I smell a Lurppis vs Carn showdown

2013-03-30 01:19

1 reply

and thorin sitting there having fun :D

2013-03-30 04:29

Reading your blog put things in perspective. I often jump on the band wagon and feel the same as a lot of people do in comments and etc. But if the statement that NaVi came up with, and the shit you're writing, I feel that Na'Vi did the right thing. Stand up and fight.

2013-03-30 01:19

Oh man this sucks for Na Vi and esports in general.

2013-03-30 01:33

Lurppis vs Carn PODCAST 5 POPCORN

2013-03-30 01:34

GET YO POPCORN READY

2013-03-30 01:35

lurrpis cant agree more. Cant wait PODCAST 5 because u and cArn make a good combo :)

2013-03-30 01:38

Something I agree on, odd.

2013-03-30 01:44

its pathetic from navi, yes the decision may be questionable but lifes not fair so get the fuck over it. you live together playing games and cant make it through the group stage which includes a whipping boys team, so what makes you think you can win the whole event? imo its the cowards way out to stop the fanboys on this site from questioning them for fucking up so much, and refusing to play in the lower bracket just shows how little they rate themselves as theyre just gonna go back home as though theyve been fucked over and could easily have won the tourny bar an admin decision grow the fuck up, youve flown hundreds of miles to play a game then rq i dont think any other team would give up like this

2013-03-30 01:45

Liked the point that if they havnt done this, noone would care

2013-03-30 01:50

Ye but... now my dreamteam is fucked :D

2013-03-30 01:51

fanboy tears everywhere!

2013-03-30 01:53

lurppis i got question for u. first of all i agree with you they did right thing. Same situation which 2k11 happened again. Now my question is in the 3-way tie, who is coming out first and second? i missed second half of the day.

2013-03-30 01:55

4 replies

Check out the news piece. Several users have posted what seems to be the rules set regarding this kind of situations.

2013-03-30 02:36

3 replies

so if all teams 3 teams are on +4 and they beat each other these what i try to meant. Muchos grasias sir. : D

2013-03-30 02:39

2 replies

As said, hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=349503#r402.. Interestingly another user points out, hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=349503#r402.. By the way, English only please. Thank you.

2013-03-30 02:47

1 reply

Thanks, i have fast check now. Sorry about it also. I read it the second one. Which i lost is only what were the scores but i see now. Might be just tired. Na`Vi , Epsilon, fnatic if they count rounds and not the maps. Thanks for ur help.

2013-03-30 02:55

So, what can Na'Vi complain about? Blaming the rental computer for why they are late.. So, what do they expect? If i rent a car, and when i drive the car out from the car dealer, it stops for some reason and that make me late for work. Can i really blame the car dealer? And just run home from work since im getting yelled at from my boss? Imo, its just a childish whine from Na'Vi. It's Na'Vi fault, for arriving at the lan when they did. And for that reason, its theire own fault they dont have theire computers ready in time, rental or not.

2013-03-30 02:18

8 replies

in some point i agree with this but there is always 2 sides of the stories. Its not Na`Vi players fault for that. Also which i wanna comment for this Na`Vi decide to pull out which is fine in my view. Dont forget this is E-Sport they favourized the home team (fnatic). I don`t have problem with fnatic at all just i think this is bit unfair. Count the round difference who is came in advantage that team is pass. Sorry my english is not really the best especially 1.30 am.

2013-03-30 02:30

2 replies

Like you say, its always two sides of the stories. But as far as i assume, Na'Vi arrived at the lan from a decision from the team management. So, that late arrival is the team Na'Vi mistake. And every sport favorize the homeside (atleast the sports i watch). Not saying its fair. But thats how sports works, it seems. But, i dont know every side of this story. So it can be so many more reasons behind this. But from what i understand. This whole thing is based on the map loss. And that is, imo, nothing to complain about.

2013-03-30 02:42

1 reply

yea yea this i meant for you. its not blame or something just a simple fact. that is the reason i said for you dont compare the job against e-sport. Computer broke down its obviously not their fault, if they late 5-10 min yes its their fault. Mainly yes in otherwise i want give f.e for that when i read you comment. It should be 2 things which i focused on. 1. Mistakes what should you have to avoid. 2. Fair play

2013-03-30 02:50

Well if you can prove that your car broke. Like a message from the car dealer i think your boss will be fine with you :D There are things in the world you can not predict. What if it was your own car? Then you have no exuse. Just bad luck

2013-03-30 05:09

2 replies

It is going to be your fault if you get late to work. No matter what broke and who died on the way there.

2013-03-30 08:51

1 reply

yeah every day in your life is perfect and not different. Nothing unexpected ever happens. You are not human at all i guess

2013-03-30 14:09

In this case, it can be seen like the car was given by the boss. It stopped working, yet the boss decided to cut his pay. That's nonsense.

2013-03-30 07:38

1 reply

More like "Here is my car for the day, use it carefully and don't be late!" And then they are late AND it doesn't work. Conclusion = The workers fault.

2013-03-30 08:53

dafaq

2013-03-30 02:37

Admins say they waited an "hour" more than they actually should, this morning for Navi. And then they lost the map afterwards. Navi then said they wanted to keep going in the lower bracket, but then their manager is told by the organisation they have to pull out. And now Alex Kokhanovskyy puts this on twitter: I'm kindly asking players/teams/broadcasters/coverage website to boycott CPH Games starting from Saturday morning. I lost all respect for Navi after this turnament......

2013-03-30 02:47

2 replies

"but then their manager is told by the organisation they have to pull out." organisation told the navi manager that they need to pull out? u sure about that cuz it seems pretty weird, probably navi manager wanted players to pull out or not?

2013-03-30 03:33

Nothing wrong there! Danish admins favored a danish side. If an eastern european event organizer would have done the same to a Scandinavian team. What would have been your reaction ? Would they have done same to nip or fnatic if they were few minutes late. Dont think so.

2013-03-30 06:34

dunno wtf u try to say "mr" decoy!... anyway it seems that the tournament is going by some other rules that needs to be on eSport...so NaVi right decision and lets this situation be on adminds heads.. and for sure tnx lurppz0 for his opinion and obvious fakts about this situation ;)

2013-03-30 03:15

lurrpis is mad honest thats the #1 trait u gotta respect in a man.

2013-03-30 03:23

Not gonna lie, i can definitely see a situation where this scenario occurs: Na'vi rock up and go to an "Information Desk" these people are just PR people and not tournament admins. They check their nice colourful laminated schedule and it says "cs starts at 10" not knowing the implications of setup they simply say "it says be here at 10".

2013-03-30 03:37

2 replies

That scenario only occurs if the teams preparations are woefully lacking

2013-03-30 03:39

1 reply

Totally agree. Pointless by Na`Vi to be so blatantly careless, like what they did had no consequences...

2013-03-30 03:56

CPH admins fucked it up nothing else to say..

2013-03-30 04:05

Honestly Lurpiss, you really need to make up your mind on what you want. If i remember correct, carn, thorin and yourself complained in an earlier episode of your own PODcast that tournament organisers would backpaddle to easy when big teams break the rules. That this would be unfair towards all teams attending and would completly mess with the sheduling. Now you finally have an organizer that enforces their rulesets stricly, not minding how famous the teams breaking the rules are, and you complain aswell? Make up your mind. Everyone who just followed the Copenhagen Games coverage online KNEW the games where supposed to start at 10. It was said by the organisers during the group drawing aswell to be on the venue at 9 (vakarm.net/news/read/CPH-2013-Video-tira.. , check at minute 11.20). You have competed in tournaments yourself, so especially you should know that if you have a match at 10, you arrive early to set yourself up. In tournaments i played, both BYOC and non-BYOC me and my team would always be at the venue at least 2 hours prior to our matches, so we could start in time and also have enough time to fix PC or other issues beforehand. And we're werent payed to play. Even if the PC's rented by Navi were faulty, it's noones fault but their own. Simply because they didnt use their time prior to the matches to set up. Na'Vi and especially ZeroGravity are acting like spoiled brats, and frankly im quite happy that someone showed them that such unprofessional behaviour is not tolerated. The fact that ZG now calls out viewers and coverage sites to boycott CPH Games, aswell as calling out other "prominent teams" to create a "cool teams club" that applies pressure on organisers for following through with their ruleset is just the icing on the cake. To be fair, if someone deserves to be shunned over this Event its noone else but Na'Vi and i hope that tournament organisers will sit together and exclude Na'Vi for the next 1 or 2 upcomming events.

2013-03-30 05:22

5 replies

this guy said it.!!!!

2013-03-30 07:55

Great comment, agreed! Yeah, it's not like Na'Vi will host their own tournaments and be like "Here we do it the perfect way". Why would any of the other organizations join their handicapped group of esports association? Na'Vi was treated as they should have been treated.

2013-03-30 08:47

I agree

2013-03-30 09:46

Lupris is a joke he changes his mind by the situation how he want. rly dont know how someone can take seriously this guy

2013-03-30 11:16

it's different to be late on purpose (as na`vi were at arbalet cup dallas 2010) and because of a miscommunication error and rental pc issues (copenhagen games 2013). you don't forfeit someone for number two.

2013-03-30 12:54

imo, North Korea should kill them all.

2013-03-30 06:02

nix0n hosted the CS tournament at dreamhack didnt he? And that tournament was pretty flawless if I remember it correct.

2013-03-30 07:12

Supporting Na'Vi , CPH computers problem are not navi fault , and there were three options of punishment , they choose default +1 bx3 , its sad such a great team BS:Navi prolly got nervous with that situation and their skills may had become inconsistent Sorry for english , i mean that , with all crap going on Navi couldnt play in a good form , they got damaged that way too ( its just my guess , not saying that happened )

2013-03-30 07:20

move to ukraine

2013-03-30 07:53

This lurppis guy is highly emotional. Think rationally, Navi wont gain anything by pulling out of the tournament. Tournament will continue to pan out well with the other teams. What Navi should do is win from lower bracket. That way they will become real champs. I think loosing to epsilon made them realize that the chances of winning them is tournament is bleak. They just pulled out of cowardice. Weak Move.

2013-03-30 08:27

11 replies

Agreed 100%.

2013-03-30 08:43

not Na`Vi team decide it but their manager ZeroGravity, so players CAN't just thought : "well we lose to Epsilon,so go pull out of this tournament and we have a good reason for this - def lose against BX3" it couldn't be for real...

2013-03-30 10:54

3 replies

Well to begin with zero gravity asked them pull out of tournament when that first map being handed out to BX3 earlier (courtesy ceh9). But apparently navi players wanted to play. So they continued playing. This time they were in to the tournament half way and realized that they are not at the same level as many others. So they pulled out.

2013-03-30 11:24

2 replies

they beat fnatic, i think its enough for #4-5

2013-03-30 12:07

1 reply

fnatic are shit in this tournament. We all can agree to that right. Friis Awp is abysmal. He missed several awp shots. Stinger has not sting. The only guy who offered some resistance is moddii. Trace no comments.

2013-03-30 12:10

do you know how much is hard to do it? their motivation would be on low level and they made the right decision..

2013-03-30 11:11

5 replies

Well you are down that is when the motivation should be high. When the admins and fnatic shrewdly pushed them to lower bracket they should respond like champs. You know what Natus Vincere means Born to Win. They showed nothing of that sort in this tournament.

2013-03-30 11:25

4 replies

did u read why they were pushed to lower bracket?

2013-03-30 11:29

3 replies

Round difference vs map difference. When you don't play all 30 rounds you should never consider round difference. Say you are playing train and mirage, such ct biased maps round difference can almost ruin your chances. How does it matter? They were in lower brackets. All i am saying is instead of giving up they should fight from lower brackets.

2013-03-30 11:54

2 replies

When you don't play 3 maps every game you should not consider map difference too. It's better if you take and count the rounds for the 3 teams, excluding 4th one, because 3 teams are tied not 4. In this case only navi played 3 maps with BX3, because of the default lost which was admins fault too. Maybe they should not have reacted like that, but it's unfair to them anyways. At first agree to count the rounds, and after 30 mins meeting with fnatic, counting the maps.

2013-03-30 16:15

1 reply

With round difference there is a certain amount of randomness owing to bias in ct/t sides on certain maps. But map difference shows that you played more maps against a certain opponent which you should not have. So to me at least map difference is better a scale to rate than round difference. Also Na'vi asked some PR people regarding the schedule. They should have asked the admins. You don't show up at 10:15 to set up your PC's when the matches start at 10:00. They deserved the penality.

2013-03-30 16:39

Sad for navi but ist about time teams show up 15 minutes earlier...

2013-03-30 08:46

My thoughts about this: shit happens. That`s all.

2013-03-30 08:46

Pathetic. They were still in the tournament and decide to walk - unprofessional. People think they are top 3 team in the world, so stop the whining and just prove it by winning against everyone...that would earn them respect, not this crybaby attitude. Definitely didn't play well enough to deserve upper bracket, so they should be thankful of lower bracket qualification.

2013-03-30 09:44

1 reply

Who thinks that Na'Vi are top 3 team in the world? That's funny. They have balls to walk away from this fail tournament.

2013-03-30 11:36

I think it was a EGoistic decision from Navi.

2013-03-30 09:49

I did not even read all of it, but it is clear to me that you hate Danish people and what we do. You are talking trash most of the time, and your are only trying to make more hate towards Copenhagen Games. When making a blog you normally have all your sources right, but you are making up more stories to support your own version of things.... You have always been like this, so it is no surprise seeing this bullshit. micHiiii said the rest!

2013-03-30 09:52

Sad though, I really hoped for them to do well at cph

2013-03-30 09:52

Egotistical decision form NaVi, just children. Also by lurppis saying "another day, another terrible event" makes him a full blown moron. The event has been amazing, great games and some tense moments. NaVi make a dumb decision to walk and the event suddenly becomes shit? nice on lurppis m8

2013-03-30 10:03

2 replies

great event? how they went from 4-0 to 6-0 in quantic game after a crash for no reason? that's great? how the organizers message hltv.org people to help them asking what settings are illegal because the admins have no idea? how the admins don't know how to restore games using ebot? how games are delayed by hours upon hours? how one round of lower bracket is played bo3 instead of bo1 becaues of fuck you? how nothing copenhagen games does makes sense? yeah. amazing event. #esports #2013 #progress ps. cpl dallas was still the best ran event i've ever attended. that was 9 years ago. some progress we've had.

2013-03-30 12:57

1 reply

Okay obviously i don't know the ins and outs of the event but from a spectators point of view its still been a great event. Delays happen in every CS event, its something everyones lived with and gotten used to...surely? A network crash probably isn't something they can avoid as it probably wasn't down to them. For you to say its been a "terrible" isn't accurate, the events been great besides the usual faults pretty much every LAN event has

2013-03-30 13:03

Just like dreamhack :)

2013-03-30 10:15

Totally agreed CPH fucking morons really VERY BAD and stupid decision

2013-03-30 10:18

Completely agreed!

2013-03-30 10:42

I would love to see lurppis organize an event with his professionalism.

2013-03-30 11:04

5 replies

i've organized two; they had no issues, forfeits or delays.

2013-03-30 13:15

4 replies

Which one were there?

2013-03-30 13:35

3 replies

areena #1 by steelseries, areena #2 by roccat

2013-03-30 13:43

owned lol

2013-03-30 14:17

1 reply

I was just simply asking, lol.

2013-03-30 14:54

I totally agree with u Lurp.

2013-03-30 11:10

gj Tomi!

2013-03-30 11:12

good read! agree 100% !

2013-03-30 11:15

Nice read. I totally agree with lurrpis

2013-03-30 12:11

dunno did anyone said this, but hooch from nostalgie was playing on computer from another line (im comparing with the another 4 players from his mix) because his computer wasnt working and this is AFTER forfeit so cph is a big joke

2013-03-30 12:13

well they should of arriwed earlier anyway. not 1min before the match begins

2013-03-30 12:14

1 map defualt loss for coming 10-15 mins late? Then what about the delay of 2-3 hours that happens many a times?

2013-03-30 13:02

2 replies

this,they can be as late as they can , but players can't?

2013-03-30 14:06

1 reply

yes.

2013-03-30 14:55

Once again lurpiss "the 1.6biasedfanboy" retard writes another piece of crap.

2013-03-30 13:02

6 replies

Did you read what he has written ? There isn't any content about cs 1.6 i am sorry i don't see where he is being a fan boy like you are saying.

2013-03-30 14:20

5 replies

That's just his general nickname.

2013-03-30 17:46

4 replies

Looks more like you are hating him but what he says here is totally well said.

2013-03-30 18:15

3 replies

leave him alone.

2013-03-31 13:19

2 replies

i am not the one posting crappy posts that are nothing useful to hltv.org

2013-03-31 14:31

1 reply

good, mate

2013-03-31 17:04

youtube.com/watch?v=gt_WIJg0jls&feature=.. Interesting to listen to. Jump 3 min into the Interview.

2013-03-30 14:00

and what to do about it?!

2013-03-30 14:05

fuck you cph phaggits fuck you dont even care about this tourney if navi is out

2013-03-30 14:22

Sorry, but its hard to take your opinion seriously, when you have been bashing CPHgames ever since Quantic did not get their invite - you are obviously biased against the event. No matter if the admins made the right or wrong decision, it is still completely unprofessional to pull put of the tournament. For all your ranting, you never explain what you want Na'vi to achieve. If this us supposed to make organizers think about making clearer rules, then the situation has been discussed thorougly before Na'vi quit. So please enlighten me, what will this move acomplish?

2013-03-30 14:41

It may be far fetched but it looks to me like ZeroGravity has had an agenda towards the tournement admins. /Conspiracy Theory/ He wanted the team to pull out after the decision of the admin to remove a map against bx3, and that, against the players' desire. It can all seem fine to me but the following statement made me think:"Next week Na`Vi will start the creation of an e-Sports Team Association together with other prominent teams. This organization will drastically change the face of modern e-Sports from the very first day of its creation." Maybe Na'Vi management wants a noble cause, something to claim with this association. Na'Vi are just playing the victims to serv their own agenda. If this is true (good chance it is not but it's not entirely impossible) it is just disgusting to do that to a tournement.

2013-03-30 14:47

1 reply

nop, they just do not want to loose against low teams

2013-03-30 17:48

Seems like Na'Vi did the right thing. If you get fucked over by so many things in one tournament, I would be mad too. Also, this is also good example for that upcoming teams assosication, because it clearly shows that teams can pull out from tournament because of admins mistakes (changing their minds, rules; forfeiting for computer problems). I wonder if fnatic would be the 3rd in the group, what would have been? Would they have been protesting or something? Because Na'Vi gets all the flame for having the balls to say "fuck you" to admins.

2013-03-30 14:51

1 reply

maybe you will be mad, but you will quit also? when you are paid to play, and all your fans wish to see you play? to quit the tournament is an insulte against the fans

2013-03-30 17:47

Good reading this and I agree... ZeroGravity makes shit happen! Cph games just made themselves look so bad cause Na`Vi probably has more fans then anyone else... Gj lurppis !

2013-03-30 14:50

4 replies

so navi should have a special treatment from tournaments? for the reason they have many fans?

2013-03-30 17:45

3 replies

Did I say anything about having special treatment? No, I just meant that if Cph games fucks up so badly and blame Na`Vi, well... what can you say?

2013-03-30 18:44

2 replies

it is rather that navi fucks up badly and blame cph games

2013-03-30 18:55

1 reply

Rly? Broken computer and admins that are fully retarded and can't do shit?

2013-03-30 22:16

CPH admins fucked the event, NaVi often lost some maps but with bo3 they are hard to win...

2013-03-30 15:14

1 reply

nop

2013-03-30 17:45

just sad that navi not playing after that sick game against fnatic.

2013-03-30 15:24

1 reply

yes, and who to blame for this? navi of course. i am very dissapoint with them for this unsportsmenlike behaviors

2013-03-30 17:46

CPH admins were correct to do what they did. Although all the fanboys will have a little cry, they were late. They turned up 15 minutes after they were told the matches started. It was their own fault. They seem to think they are untouchable, and no matter what they do they will not get punished for it. Well they did, and now they spat their dummy out. Regardless of what all of the diehard fans think, it was Na'Vi's fault and they have to deal with the consequences.

2013-03-30 15:24

We all complain about shit event organisation, delays and games starting late but as soon as admins hand out a forfeit to prevent delays everybody starts crying? Wtf.

2013-03-30 16:42

Knowing navi and their attitude sometimes, i'm not even bothered they left.

2013-03-30 16:55

Cadred have posted a good article which counters the points Lurppis is making. Na'vi have just threw their rattle out the cot unfortunately.

2013-03-30 17:10

We don't need insight from lurPISS. who deletes people's thread just because he doesn't like it, Doesn't matter if it's a serious thread or a Troll.

2013-03-30 17:18

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We now you are disappointed because miraa isn't women. You don't need to rage at other admins.

2013-03-30 17:44

"I don't think I, as a player, could have given up on playing when I'm already there and still have a chance to compete" great point, lurpiss. fuck navi babies

2013-03-30 17:43

Lurpis, how can someone who has been a participant in loads of tournaments not understand time keeping? As an ex-competitor, how can you be so ignorant? Everybody knows if you're told to be at a place for X, then you arrive atleast 10 minutes before X time to get setup. This is in any situation - i'm ALWAYS at work 30 minutes before the day starts. Whenever I played competitively, I was ALWAYS online and ready to go ATLEAST 15 minutes before the game. Even if the admin did say 10am. I would have atleast been there for 9:45 - giving plenty of time to fix potential problems and get the game going. Yes, it's CPH's fault that the computer didn't work - but if the match is scheduled TO START at 10am, then YOU NEED TO BE THERE FOR 9:45 TO CHECK FOR PROBLEMS... Time keeping is an essential skill in life. I think some people need to get their heads out of their arses and learn basic life skills.

2013-03-30 17:46

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+1 Stupid navi fanboys gonna hate.

2013-03-30 17:51

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dont hate when your vg gonna be destroyed :D

2013-03-30 22:07

when admins tell you to be somewhere, it means the time you are supposed to setup. if an admin tells me to be somewhere at 10, it means matches start at 11. that is how it works, as an "ex-competitor".

2013-03-31 05:15

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but matches were clearly going to get started at 10. and it was no "admin" telling them anything. it was just some random receptionists afawk. at least NaVi should have confirm with the organizers. a phone call isn't that much of a time-consuming job, right? all of those excuses would be appropriate if and only if other teams were late, too.

2013-03-31 08:23

Games start at 10. HLTV said 10, Cadred said 10, Starladder said 10. Other teams were sat down at 9:45 You wouldn't have even questioned it? As a 'normal, sane and not a retarded person' that's how it works.

2013-03-31 11:09

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if a copenhagen games organizer told them to arrive at 10 that's all there is to it. it is their fault.

2013-03-31 17:18

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A receptionist* not an organiser. Please get your head out of Na'Vi's arse, it's boring. There are various accounts that state that Na'Vi weren't even at their desks for 10am. "I go around the venue to see if I can find them, but at around 9:50 I go back to the admin to hear if they had heard anything, they hadnt. 10:15 I see the navi players walk in," So at 10:15 the players arrived - 15 minutes late. So even if they were told to be there at 10 - they are still 15 minutes late. Yes, it's a receptionists fault if they said 10am - fine. But Na'Vi are stupid not to have questioned it (see interview with ESC).

2013-03-31 17:57

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once again, if they were told to be there at 10, even arriving at 10:15 (if true, which i don't believe because semphis said na`vi were there before he arrived) would have been enough, because then it's safe to assume matches start at 11. no one should even cover for cph games after the third shitty event with major problems they hosted.

2013-03-31 20:15

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I'm not going to argue with you, you're exactly like the rest of the Na'Vi fanboys - the only exception is that you can actually string together a sentence in English. Your tongue could not be further up their sphincter if you wanted it to be. People accept that CPH Games have made mistakes - including the organisers themselves. Yet Na'Vi seem to be perfect in every way in your eyes and you cannot admit that it's even the slightest bit their fault. I made this account to see if it was possible to reason with you, but alas, you are indeed an ignorant moron. Peace.

2013-03-31 20:37

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completely agree. At first I was on NaVi's side but after reading everything that's happened, I'm not really sure how people are still siding with NaVi on this one. And lurppis, no offense, is probably not one to change his mind from what I've seen.

2013-04-01 09:49

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i change my mind all the time when proven wrong (e.g. re: epsilon), but so far i've seen zero good arguments here.

2013-04-02 19:19

lol owned.

2013-04-02 19:15

How is it possible that a pro team like NaVi don't have their own gaming laptops? Is that not allowed in competitions? I know that this is not the debate here but at least you make sure that you never face these issues.

2013-03-30 18:18

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it's not allowed in 99% of tournaments. at copenhagen games you could have, but why would you purchase $2,000 laptops simply for one tournaments (p.s. fnatic had issues even with their msi laptops, so that's no guarantee things will work out)?

2013-04-02 19:20

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I didn't know it was not allowed in most of the tournaments. About the 2000$, I guess that this is probably something that sponsors could pay for such teams, no? And about issues with the laptops, I have owned 2 gaming laptops and have never had any issue in 5 years time playing quite resource consuming games... I could understand a problem with one laptop out of 50 produced but I guess that a spare laptop for a professional team is not the end of the world right?

2013-04-03 22:10

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i think you grossly overestimate the budgets of teams. five (or even six) laptops at $2,000 would basically mean missing events worth $10-12k. no one in esports has "extra" money.

2013-04-03 22:18

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That is really a pity. I mean that is the primary tool for a gamer and not having at least that provided by a sponsor or team structure shows a big issue according to me. I thought that this kind of "working" tool (If I can call it that way for a pro gamer) was not really a concern but I understand from your remark that it is.

2013-04-03 22:28

Retarded post, as if you're just trying to be different

2013-03-30 18:39

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedde.. Skip to 12 minutes.

2013-03-30 19:03

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wise words from Neo i totally agree. I have the felling that the navi players would play but their organisation said no. also herad there was a picture from markeloffs twitter saying they would continue fight in the lowerbracket but guess he was foced to delete it. And like Neo said they owe their fans to continue because without them there would be no esports.

2013-03-30 19:41

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Neo? Okay!

2013-03-30 21:26

Yeah, he's saying exactly what I said above: Lacking in preparation, disrespectful and unprofessional.

2013-03-30 19:56

lol even the teams that are still playing are saying the admins are retarded in the chat and i cant even read what all they're saying in their lang admins are retarded seems to be the general idea tho... i dont know how much to believe this, its like watching football or basketball and complaining about the officials being unfair

2013-03-30 19:53

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i dont know if the admins are retarded or not but it could also be whiny players;)

2013-03-30 19:56

in football and basketball the referees are full time professionals with years of experience. at lan events like copenhagen games they are just random people who likely aren't even interested in cs:go and are just trying to get it done without any experience or knowledge. can we stop comparing sports with esports already? everyone can bring the comparisons back when cs players are getting paid MILLIONS annually, not thousands.

2013-03-31 20:18

LURPISS you are GOD ! Come back to show these sauce guy how to play CS whit plastE & NASU ! Thx

2013-03-30 20:25

fnatic now has same shit NaVi had a PC PROBLEM, and they should get forfeit, whY NOT ?

2013-03-30 20:26

And again we have another example with fnatic and WW. These admins are not capable of managing such a event.

2013-03-30 21:26

That's the rule-set: "If teams are tied on points in any group stage the standing between these teams will be decided firstly by the result of the match between the teams concerned, then by points differential in the matches between the teams concerned and then by points differential in all matches concerning the teams in question." First the CPH admins said "points" are won round, so fnatic would have been 3rd. Than after a long discussion with fnatic they suddenly switched their opinion, so "points" became won maps and Navi became 3rd because of that default map-lose. So it all come down to the question if that default map-lose was legit or not. BUT: Why did the CPH admins change their opinion. Obviously it was the fact that one admin told fnatic after the 2nd map they would be already in the play-offs. To not make it look like they betrayed fnatic they changed their definition of "points". But the thing is: It was the admins's fault to give fnatic a wrong information. Why should Navi get punished because the admins gave fnatic a wrong information? Also that rule-set isn't good enough. If "points" means won maps, what would have happened if Navi wouldn't have gotten a default map-lose? The rule-set wouldn't have brought a decision..

2013-03-30 23:03

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you do not use rounds won unless you play out all 30 rounds, how hard is that to understand

2013-03-31 03:01

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I agree, but if you watch that video from Navi where they filmed the admins, the admins were always talking about the rounds.

2013-03-31 03:03

If they have to play at 10 why are they arriving at 10???. CS is a joke, if people want CS to be taken more serious a rule against being late on the server has to be made. This bullshit about teams has to set up computer, cfg etc. during game time is bullshit, and this is costing spectators and sponsors. In F1 if your car isn't ready at the grid at start time its just tuff luck, we don't see Champions League games being delayed because Messi or C.Ronaldo has to tie their shoes or has to use the toilet. This delay madness in CS has to stop. I am not saying that Na'Vi is the fault, and i really don't know much about this NaVi case I just found this as an opportunity to express my frustration with all the delays that accurse in CS at almost every event.

2013-03-30 23:04

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Haha, thats excactly the problem. People, as do I, want delays to stop, but when consequences show, people start ranting, because they want to protect their favorites...

2013-03-30 23:08

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I believe the problem is that almost every team is to blame for the delays, and if admins would have to remove all top teams for not being ready on time, random team nr.182 would win without a single CS game been played. It's not fair to punish one team, but something has to be done. If it has to be letting random team nr. 182 win so be it. This other shit is getting to annoying. But yeah you are right people starts ranting, trying to protect their favorits, but that also happens in all sports.

2013-03-30 23:32

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Indeed, every team fucks up now and then. Na'vi was not the first team to feel consequences because of it, but there need to be more of it. Rules need to be more strict and clear, no doubt about it. Though I do not agree with Zerogravity in his defense, I do agree that a uni rulebook is needed. You are right about fanboys in every sport, but it is frustrating to see people forget the larger picture, simply because their favorite team is ruled against.

2013-03-30 23:51

if an admin tells a team to arrive at 10, that means the matches start at 11. that's common practice in esports, you tell players to arrive 1h before match time. stop comparing sports where the budgets are in the HUNDRED MILLIONS to CS where the richest teams might spend hundred THOUSAND. it's NOT comparable. the delays at copenhagen games, just like this forfeit win and na`vi pulling out, were caused by incompetent admins and other issues (network, pc).

2013-03-31 20:25

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Arriving on time has nothing to do with money, and as TaZ said in an interview people should double check when they have to play, not just assume they have to play at 11, the admin probably misunderstood the question and ASSUMED that the question was about when they had to play. I’m not going to argue whether or not it was Na Vi fault but I just feel that a lot of players/teams are late and have to setup pc's during game time, and it’s not only during this tournament. That is what scares spectators like me away. Back to your money argument. A lot of people wants CS:GO to become a big and serious “sport”, what is wrong by comparing with the biggest sports out there, and maybe learn something from it?. Even in the lower football league/divisions where people actually pay to play, games are still played on time and I bet there is also other sports where there is way less money than in CS where people actually show up before game time.

2013-03-31 23:50

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magic johnson stopped playing basketball for fun because people didn't show up on time. TO PLAY WITH MAGIC JOHNSON. //thread

2013-04-01 01:15

Excellent point, agree 100%

2013-04-02 08:55

Wow, lurrpis took the side of Na`Vi? Who would have guessed that the whiniest cunt in all of Hltv would agree with a gaming team who quit a tournament after they were defaulted a map for being late and forced to play in the lower bracket? Birds of a feather...

2013-03-31 06:30

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How many idiots are out there exactly like you? Stop posting bullshit and read the news. They didn't leave because they got a default lose, they left because admins changed the rules!

2013-03-31 15:29

this problem would've been solved if they arrived 15 minutes earlier holly shit they are so stupid

2013-03-31 12:33

Much better statement on the affairs, however I still feel Na'Vi should of contested this after the even rather than attempt to boycott it. Win or Lose, it is clear CPH made mistakes and were not clear on their judgement.

2013-03-31 15:25

I can remember outrageous case that happened during Xperia Play 2011 (CPH games event for cs 1.6 community). Orgas put the caster next to the mTw palyers. During semifinal map mTw vs Frag eXecutors that guy has been showing to danish players stream without delay. When polish guys found out about this: *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : to all you guys watching *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : there was a guy *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : sitting next to mtw guys *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : showing them stream *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : ... *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : GG *DEAD* Frag eXecutors KUBEN[t] : DENMARK match was paused and admins asked caster to turn the monitor to the other side (as said caster sl4m, who were informed by a reporter Lexx). DEMO LINK: hltv.org/?pageid=28&comments=1&demoid=10.. This is one more fact, that CHPG admins are unprofessional and prejudiced. i realize about navi's fail. anyway it's a cause to stop admins' despotism on the tourneys.

2013-03-31 16:37

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2013-03-31 16:53

Seems like that Navi manager is just trying to play dumb and act like he was totally clueless about LAN enviroment in general.I find it silly that all the other teams manage to set things up but this "repeated offender-team",if you will,didn't.And as Lurppis mentioned something like if navi wouldn't have left the tournament people would have forgotten about this incident.well,now they are many people (me included) that can never forget how unprofessional and childish they are just because they DID leave.

2013-03-31 17:19

Good read!

2013-03-31 18:43

Lurppis will do anything to CS:GO scene look bad.

2013-03-31 23:15

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no, he's actually right but brainless idiots or madeasternEU like you are always wrong, deal with it, foerester/forestgumparn/googl3/wmb/eons/tromhat/fodder/brasiliangansta/lolfake/eHK/freshmind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you anyday anytime, deal with it, really

2013-04-01 00:04

how can something improve if you don't mention the bad points ? people complained if 1.6 tournaments fucked something up... what are we supposed to do to blindly support csgo? the fact is that the game is not popular among the fps fans so it must be something wrong with the game blaming the consoles and the new generation of gamers is just silly, if a game is good many will play it simple as that... cph was labeled as the biggest csgo tournament and it did not meet our expectations, controversy, bad casting, long delays. if people don't complain and protest then nothing will improve, ever. i'm not a csgo hater ,even though i played 1.6 for many years. i do think that many things in csgo are done in a good way and benefit the community but also it has it's flaws. i won't repeat the thoughts of many but the game is just not addicting and not fun. cs had it's own style and gameplay changing that really hurt the game's popularity.

2013-04-01 16:34

i havent read all the comments on this post to clearly comment on all on topic and off topic(eg. ghosting issues) spoken hear... but clearly if some1 like lurpis who wouldnt get anything out of navis pockets to make them look nice on the blog would tell u something he heard and is verified by quantic , i dont understand the limit of retardness some of u are born with! WHATS THE BIGGEST NEWS FROM CPG? Navi pulling out? or million admin/schedule/organization issues? i would say its the latter! i read somewhere about some1 claiming to play for BX3 and watching navi walk in style at 10 15 sharp.. and i read somewhere about semphis talking about his exp in CPG and issues thy faced and their take on navi! im sorry MR rodriguez i take semphis word for it more than urs! THIS IS WAT THE ADMIN OF CPGs SAID "We have been working with esports for more than 12 years,and God damn it!, have I gotten tired of Na´Vi constantly making trouble," Every time they have been at Copenhagen Games, they have delayed everything, showed disrespect for other teams, for admins and for just about everyone. "After more than 30 events, this the first time I am actually seriously thinking about banning a team from our future events. "This is my personal feeling, and not the official Copenhagen Games policy - but I might just make it so." This last comment just shows his personal problem for the navi organisation (might be cause he didnt get to be their waterboy) and admits to make his personal feeling into an OFFICIAL CPGs policy! just cause he can do it.. Mr whosoever concerned ur a Big Piece of shit if u say so.. Just shows how professional you and obviously ur admins can be! and i can even paint a picture of "how u treat teams and other ppl" just like how u claim navi would disrespect other teams everytime ur around! and coming back to tht ghosting event spoken by some retards.. im prettry damn sure u havent played a game of tht lvl on stage in a tournament like IEM in ur life and u would probably never do ! and if in ur wildest dreams u would end up on tht stage ull do everything possibly wrong to win.. this doesnt not mean NAvi lurpis and others allegedly looking at big screens did! cause the difference is thy are professionals and are paid to be professionals.. and ppl who have won so much dont need to resort to some ghosting to prove thy were one of the all time best counter strike teams! anyway peace out! and grow some brain cells before just typing rubbish on some serious blogs!

2013-04-01 08:46

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what else can you make a policy with, if not personal feeling? navi make many attack on cph games, they ask for other teams and streams to make a boycott of the tournament. this is enough for making a ban.

2013-04-01 16:47

nice blog lurppis nice decision by navi lol.danishadmins changing the rules to pass fnatic lol.csgo

2013-04-01 15:16

putting by side the being late accident of navi, they got their punishment. i really can't understand the deciding role of the map score vs bx3. what the fuck does bx3 have to do with epsilon,navi and fnatic being tied ?! common sense would be to decide by 1.points (win =2 ,loss = 0) 2. map score 3. round difference between those 3 teams. *also those guys stating that rd is not fair because no one played the whole 30 rounds is invalid because if you go by that logic fnatic scoring vs bx3 2-0 in maps is also not fair they should have played the 3rd map then ,to be fair to bx3... in bo3 the winner is the team which 1st scores 16 rounds in 2 maps, simple. and the only relevant thing is with what map score and what round difference did you win. arguments like tehy need to play 30 rounds are just showing how little people now about the whole tournament system...

2013-04-01 16:24

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Fuck! I was checking tables during group games. And it was clear from the first games that points difference is calculated as a difference between won and lost maps after each match. It was clear from the first games. So, after epsilon won 2-0 over BX3 and navi lost first map to fnatic - it was already clear at that moment that even if they won remaining two maps they would still take only 3d place. None will change they way in which points are calculated in the end of tournament just to let one team advance to upper bracket at expense of another team!!

2013-04-02 09:13

I understand this is a blog, but why don't you talk about the boycott? and not see be so one sided? And just like we hear/ask about it, as did you.. this does not make it a fact. so like you said, "so stop commenting as if you knew"

2013-04-01 16:39

Sorry navi fanboys cadred.org/Images/Gallery/Resized/6087_c..

2013-04-01 18:40

What I believe has happened is that the Na`Vi's manager simply asked the wrong person at the info desk, but neither Na`Vi nor Cph Games want to admit that they screwed up. - Na`Vi by asking someone who they should know they are not supposed to ask and that they should double check with the actual CS:GO admins - Cph Games by having uninformed people at the front desk, since after all it is someone representing the event. The only other possible explanation is the classic misunderstanding: - When should we be here? *receptionist hears: what time matches start* - At 10. All the other conspiracy theories and talks about how someone did it on purpose, or how someone is trying to get away with something are just fantasy. Regarding the rule change later on, I can't agree with Na`Vi because while the rules may seem vague, upon my first read (way before this mess even began happening) I clearly took "points" as maps, not rounds, which I believe should be common sense due to the best-of-three format (winning a map is much "heavier" than winning a round). So the organizers came back to the correct ruling and that's how it should be. Regardless of going back and forth, it's important to get it right in the end (which I don't think they did in the fnatic vs. WW situation later on, but that's a different story). It still remains a fact that if it had not been for the default loss Na`Vi would top the group, as it would have come down to rounds after maps are even. And having said that above about a misunderstanding and having talked to Na`Vi's manager early on in the day, right after the BX3 match, I'm fairly certain they did not deserve that default loss. He explained without even expecting such implications later on that being labeled as a "team that was late" is not acceptable and he was already willing to drop out of the tournament because of that, which to me is enough to realize that at worst it was an honest mistake, and more likely a mistake by both sides which should have just been overlooked instead of making this whole mess. In other words, if they were actually told to come at 10 by ANYONE wearing a Cph Games shirt, they cannot be punished. The only reason to punish them is if you know they lied about being told that and that it wasn't just a misunderstanding. In the end, I would almost never condone leaving the tournament (barring the most obvious theft against your team, which didn't really happen here, it was just people making a few mistakes), but if Na`Vi's management feels they can spin this into something good later on which will improve the quality of future events, then I will happily look back at this as what kickstarted it all.

2013-04-02 07:11

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The fact that points difference was based on maps and not rounds is not even assumption - its a fact!! Because group tables had been populated with numbers based on won/lost maps starting from the first games. And only stupid people do not understand this and talk shit about rounds.

2013-04-02 09:07

So what now theyre gunna start a union of some sort? Rofl as though orgs need more of a reason to keep their money away from esports and electronic/pc expos absolutely need to host tournies (esp FPS) to survive. Community is full of narcissitic retards intent on destroying themselves (evidenced by 1.6 cultists in a campaign to destroy csgo and hence competitive fps altogether despite the fact that they claim not to care). NaVi is a joke, I'm completely unimpressed with their behavior and their play as of late. Same with fnatic btw that Moddii interview blaming a one round poss in 5v4 as the reason for their loss against WW was pathetic to the maximum.

2013-04-02 09:09

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none of these organizations are pouring money into e-sports, they are taking a cut for themselves and then giving the rest out in prizes. they are all in it to make money. don't get that wrong.

2013-04-02 20:13

(y) Lurppis

2013-04-02 14:04

AHAAH Navi leave just because it's CS GO. WITH 1.6 it will be different BECAUSE THEY COULD WIN SOMETHING. So small risks...

2013-04-02 14:13

pl0x give us a good show at esea 1.6 lan finals.. atleast 3 or 4 crazy tactics.. JUST FOR OLD TIMES SAKE... PLEASEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2013-04-02 15:07

how do we even know that the admin said to arrive at 10? the admin could have said matches Start at 10. Why should we just immediately believe what navi says? Maybe they misunderstood the admin, who knows. All I know is they were late, and no other team was. I dont care if semphis says he saw them setting up at blah blah time, maybe he didnt check his watch and he's just guessing...

2013-04-03 16:19

First of all, Friis from fnatic complained about the admins telling fnatic, that they would end at 1st in the group, and not 3rd, if they lost to Navi, they didnt talk the admins into letting them have the 1st place, so you kinda had that wrong. still it was the admins mistake though. And they did make a mistake letting fnatic have the 1st place in the end, but dont let it seem like its fnatics fault. I understand fnatics frustrations at that moment, they were just angry and pissed of at the admins, nothing more. Second of all, did Nostalgie really have rental Pc's ? they didnt sit in the area where the rest of the teams with rental Pc's did. I cant tell for sure, but Nostalgie did hurry up, in the end Hooch had to borrow my Teammates PC to play the game.

2013-04-03 22:39