For the record, one of ESC players had wrong STEAMID on the website but unlike them and all the other lame Germans (ALTERNATE, mouz, H4u, TBH) who try to get cheap wins after losing, we actually support sportsmanship. Would have served them right for karma though since they only beat Anexis with a FFW ^^
2011-09-21 01:34
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Not attacking anyone, just trying to wake you up from that little bubble you're living in. You obviously support sportsmanship by supporting his comment but yet you're okay with your fellow countrymen finding ridiculous loopholes in the rules?
2011-09-21 14:55
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nope. that post just tells the facts how things are. that post did not take away any well deserved victory. in fact the opposite; that post only showed that there IS some sportsmanship left in this 1.6 community. yes it does make lurppis + co sound like martyrs but that does not equal to unsportsmanship.
2011-09-21 11:46
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i don't find it sportsmanship coming to hltv.org and moan that if you wanted you could take their win(plus it's kinda suspect that he knows about this, meaning he may been as well looking for some flaws to get a default win). yes that takes away some of the well deserved victory from the opponents. also it's not professional calling other orgas lame, truth or not. i agree that some of the tourney rules were pretty...senseless, yet they were the same rules for everyone.
2011-09-21 12:46
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you shouldn't do that tbh...they won the match before the same way, you should show them the exit door the same way they did. but of course, your attitude is the correct one...
2011-09-21 01:42
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Cause of 1000 posts about how ESL is fcked up. If he knew is that RETARDED, then why did he play that.
Also, this is the 1000 comment about how germans are whining, crying and shit like that. We know. Big Deal. You wont acomplish anything here on this forum, writing posts.
2011-09-21 17:19
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Ok, then I understand your post. What puzzled me was why you replied to his post about hotels in Paris. Because to me it looked like you were bashing him for saying that. And who wouldnt want free hotels :)
2011-09-21 17:40
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Lol if we knew it we would have probably faced you guys ;) They defused from the small pitt to A site through the wall(inferno), but apparently thats allowed on ESWC so that made me rage alot but we didnt have a status screenshot haha...
2011-09-21 17:34
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atleast they know how to lose fair and square. At the end it should be about playin' the game and having fun. Haven't seen so many forfeit wins in a tournament in any other game... this tells something about the community.
2011-09-21 08:18
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truth is a powerful instrument to use, you know. And it can be used in various ways which are far from being honest... This is, perhaps, not the case, but close. "Lame germans" is a bit too harsh, don't you think ? Yes, I hate misusing the rules to get free wins, too. That is unsporting, also true. But what do comments like this achieve ? Like, boasting that he supports sportsmanship, and talking about unsporting germans...
2011-09-21 08:57
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Marco maybe ESC gaming were tired of you guys once again werent following the rules. In the NY tournament you broke 2 rules, and yet ESC didnt whine. PTN wasn't premium member, which is required and and zE played with the same shit in his cstrike folder. ESC didnt protest back then, even tho they could have. All other teams take time to prepare and get ready for these tournaments, why aren't, why dont you read the rules and follow them for that matter? Thats just ignorant, and that shouldnt be rewarded, at least not two times in a row.
2011-09-21 14:29
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Tired of us not following some rules we weren't aware we were breaking, and which also made no impact on the games? About the premium we discussed it with an admin before the match, and we made a deal and he did get premium. Seems like you even broke a rule yourself, by not having the right steam id on the esl page. You are trying to justify a pathetic prorest, by saying you are tired of us breaking the rules. If you even find folder called addons in cstrike_german which isn't even in use, then you are looking for reasons to win a forfeit. At least wazorn agreed that the move was freaking pathetic, but seems like your gonna defend it blindfolded. Sorry Julie, but i really got no respect for it at all.
2011-09-21 15:55
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The fact that u weren't even aware of that you broke the rules are even worse imo. It just shows how ignorant you are. You clearly didn't take your time to read the rules, which, to me, is very unprofessional. If you had your facts straight, dear snappi, you would be aware of that crtmn has accepted the use of the new steam ID, therefor ESC gaming saw no problem in using it. I am not defending it "blindfolded", to me it seems like you are the one being blindfolded here, since you dont know half of the truth. I agree it wasn't an elegant move, but at some point people get annoyed with the attitude of your team, while not following the rules once again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
2011-09-21 16:08
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We played 20 matches without anyone whining, so everyone was sure they were allright. Yes it is stupid that there zE- didn't delete af folder which he doesn't even use, but how should the team have a clue it was there. And what's up with the attitude of our team? We did by no means flame ESC before or in the match, and the rule we broke, was so useless and hard to find, that you had to be looking for it, in order to find it. It's just pathetic that you are trying to justify the move. As i said before, at least wazorn stated they were some pussies.
2011-09-21 16:49
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Again im not justifying anything. My point is, they've let you walk once, for not following the rules any other team follows. Should they let you walk again, for breaking the same rules ? Would you call that kindness or stupidity? I would call it being fucking stupid. To be honest, jack not stading behind his teams decission is his problem, and that is very unprofessional of him. Funny enough he stood by it when you guys were booted off the tournament. According to the atttitude thing; Yes you guys had a bad attitude ingame. I am pretty sure things would never have gotten this far, if you had not pissed off the ESC players with the bad attitude of your players, since forever :)
2011-09-21 17:11
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Your just pulling out crap, so just shup up. We never offended any of the players from esc before or during the match. We did it afterwards yes, but that was surely deserved. :)
2011-09-21 17:39
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I am not tho, i think it is hilarious that you whine this much, when the only one to blame here is the one who didn't follow the rules of the tournament.
2011-09-21 17:57
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If i were you, I wouldn't bait myself into an argument/heated discussion on HLTV. Especially when starting to enter the pro scene, not because you're right or wrong but because it looks unprofessional to the viewers.
Anyway good luck in your next tournament ;)
2011-09-21 17:37
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well u also were pretty shit!
Hurray for sportsmanship and professionalism, going into an hltv thread writing to 2334566534 random people about ESC gamings steam ID. You must have been pretty pissed, and desperate since you actually went in and checked, what you could bring them down on. That just kills every point u just made about being fair and sportsmanship. Think before making a fucking fool outta yourself..
2011-09-21 14:17
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I wanted to prove a point and I clearly got my message through, I was contemplating getting a FFW just to forfeit out next round to give ESC what they deserve but then someone would have said "oh well we did it too" so I chose not to.
PS. Some guy on our IRC channel told me they had the wrong STEAMID, I didn't check.
Nice try though.
2011-09-21 17:10
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You clearly didn't get my point. U made a great point, by not making a protest. Then you went on HLTV.org like any other whiney fuck, and TOTALLY shut yourself down..
But sure.... YOU MADE A GREAT POINT TO START WITH!
2011-09-21 17:16
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I'm known to voice my opinion on a lot of subjects and had ESC not just fucked over Anexis (who obviously beat them fair and square) I wouldn't have said a thing, but seeing as they just did it themselves I felt like letting people know.
That's also the reason even if we would have taken a FFW we wouldn't have played the next round because we also lost fair and square and therefore don't deserve to advance :)
2011-09-21 17:18
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OK and then ESC beat you fair and square 16-1 and you go in here like any other tit, to "Voice your opinion" and prove your sportsmanship. Which you, BY THE WAY, fail to, by being moaning like some other idiot.
So.. you might be known to voice your opinion, and speak your mind. I am gonna give you a great tip, that you are gonna thank me for later in life:
Dont..
2011-09-21 17:33
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I'm not moaning here, if anyone is, you're the one yelling and crying when I simply pointed out that so far in ESL competitions Germans have been abusing the shit out of the bad rules surrounding their anti cheat.
I get it that you're bitter because moddii plays on ESC and probably had nothing at all to do with that FFW but don't take it out on me :)
2011-09-21 18:01
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Im not bitter, i just find it funny how you put yourself on a pedestal. Telling people how you support sportsmanship, and yet we find you in here, dear lurppis, still with your head up your own bum, toddling around desperately trying to find any fairness in your loss, and with that disproving every point you made earlier.
2011-09-21 18:09
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What you're saying doesn't even make any sense, it's just words after one another without any point :). I said ESC, along with these other teams doing the same thing (TBH, mouz, ALTERNATE, H4u etc) are lame and will do anything to abuse rules to "win" match that realistically won't even make or break their trip to ESWC.
That is a fact while what you keep repeating without any new points is just non sense. There is nothing unsportsmanlike about what I said as I did not do what they did, but what those teams did is super lame and unsportsmanlike. Also, I don't even understand what "trying to find fairness in my loss" means(?).
//done until you actually have a point
2011-09-21 18:27
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I give up. Take your head out for 1 second and try to understand. I dont care about the game, i dont care about the tournament, i just find it funny how you present yourself as this great sportsman, and then you just fall totally flat by behaving like this. THAT was my point. And stop thinking you pull out the aces, when you say that i care cuz its moddiis team. Only reason i read this, is because today i have all the time in the world. Which you seem to have too.. So sit back down, and just leave it here, because it is not gonna change, i will still find your smug behaviour funny tomorrow.
2011-09-21 18:45
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I'm not presenting myself as a "great sportsman", but as a regular competitor, while all of the previously mentioned teams/players are obviously somewhere far below.
And please, I don't see you crying in the other threads, of course you only care since its moddii's team and guess what, that's totally normal and there's nothing wrong with that.
2011-09-21 18:59
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You have a lot of patience, man. I know you don't care about some random HLTV opinion, but in my eyes WinFakt made a really good move and you did right that told us, because otherwise noone will ever know that. I don't know how you didn't lose your temper, because of this insulting girl... Every her statement starts with an insult... I even don't understand why you are trying to convince a girl that is in a relationship with moddii from an oponent teem, which makes her vision soooooo subjective that I would not even read her arguments))) However, it's just my humble opinion. Good luck vs fnatic (however I doubt you read it))
2011-10-03 15:15
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Acknowledging a loophole/stupid rule, and choosing not to use it because you lost fair and square is sportsmanship at it's finest. I'm guessing he brought it up like this in order to ridicule the people who chose to abuse the rules, and I think it's perfectly justified. Doesn't change the fact that he CHOSE NOT TO WIN BY ABUSING THE RULES.
Bottomline is, the people who win by abusing the rules (especially if the rule in question has nothing to do with the outcome of the match) are pathetic losers. They deserve to get called out for this BS.
Tell 'Andreas' and all the other pathetic rule-abusing wimps to stop being such enormous dripping pussies. They are an embarrasment to men everywhere.
2011-09-21 20:13
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I would also whine while loosing vs well known onliners and (ex-)cheaters.
They haven't whined when they lost to SK ,but 2 SK players had net_graph. No need there for whining as everyone knows that SK >>mouz atm..
2011-09-21 19:59
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my comment was in the sense of moddii/barbarr and tacky not being good online! And they have proven to be better at lans! Same goes for wazorn and suranga(though he did not play) So saying that ESC are onliners is same like saying mTw is not danish or whatever
2011-09-21 13:37
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Sportmanship? Atleast Winfakt tried to win and probably did if they put down so much time to find out that we had "wrong?" steamIDs? And wrote to admin and probably tried to win? And when they didnt they logged into HLTV.org 3 from WINFAKt and cries out in a match thread. And think they are so Nice and want to be fair. But the fact is that they tried to or did conflict about it.
2011-09-21 09:51
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And your proofs of that are where? You are just speculating that winfakt "would" tried tried to conflict about that. Too much for you to handle that ESC players are just bad loosers and their reputation have gone?
So far, WinFakt is only team that didnt take free win (in ESL or ESWC) because another team broken some insignificant small rules. So respect for them.
Though WinFakt already had spot at ESWC it was really nice sportmanship
2011-09-21 10:34
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even 10 years old know how to fake mIRC log(s) if needed. where have admins reported/announced that WinFakt did protest against ESC gaming?
So far its only you who have claimed so (without any showed proofs!) and other people who actually are involved in that matter have said otherwise.
Is it just too hard admit that moddii + rest of ESC cant accept loose if they can plead about some absurd rule that was accidentally broken and didnt gave any advantage in game to other team?
2011-09-21 13:55
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Lions are not onliners I think... Maybe that a2g are online guys, but not Lions imo. But for sure you're mad fan of mTw, like me mad fan of Na`Vi. So... :D I can understand you.
2011-09-21 16:45
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onliners nobody says they are only on the Internet that are better than Ian, or tell me how many months does not go to a lan with this roster? lions in another inferno map is not easily lost or lan.
Just to see that he won SK, mTw, fnatic and everyone in de_inferno.
2011-09-21 18:41
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Seems like this ESWC Quali. are fucked up by whinners, this just looks like a theater.
Everyone still whining for ANYTHING, how teams can loose cuz of "csdm bots" , it just makes me mad.
2011-09-21 19:53
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Dude, I don't need to know them personally to know they don't work together.. They lost pretty easy vs mTw and they lost FAIR AND SQUARE agaisnt anexis, they only got this far due to ESL's stupid rules..
2011-09-21 20:08
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