First details for DreamHack Winter

29-9-2013 18:41

DreamHack have announced the first details for the Winter event, set to feature the largest ever Counter-Strike tournament prize pool at $250,000.

It seems the Swedes organizing the historic tournament are content with the way things are as aside from maps they have kept the same exact tournament structure from the Summer event.

A big change however is in the map pool for DreamHack Winter, as they have opted to go for the regular versions of the maps, ditching the SE versions and choosing Valve's own de_mirage.

de_dust2
de_inferno
de_nuke
de_train
de_mirage

DreamHack Winter will once again use the GSL style group stage format, with a total of sixteen participants divided into four groups of four in the group stage. Playoffs will be played in single elimination best-of-three mode.

With a total of $250,000 being given out, each of the sixteen participants will win prize money, while the winners will go home $100,000 richer. There will be no third place decider.

1. $100,000
2. $50,000
3-4. $22,000
5-8. $10,000
9-16. $2,000

Of the sixteen teams, two are already announced as NiP and Lemondogs have qualified from the Summer and Bucharest events. It is unknown why n!faculty doesn't hold a spot from winning DreamHack Valencia.

NiP	Lemondogs	Invite	Invite
Invite	Invite	Online qualifier	Online qualifier
Online qualifier	Online qualifier	Online qualifier	LAN qualifier
LAN qualifier	LAN qualifier	BYOC qualifier	BYOC qualifier

DreamHack Winter will take place in Jönköping, Sweden starting on November 28th with the final day of the event being December 1st. HLTV.org will be on-site to provide you full coverage of the event.

2013-09-29 19:42

8 replies

valve: 'you only get the money if you use our maps' so childish.

2013-09-29 21:56

7 replies

2013-09-29 23:08

Haha

2013-09-30 05:18

wtf +1 for this! haha

2013-09-30 06:48

Stop moaning, could be worse, imagine if they said "No money unless you use the Bravo maps for marketing purposes"

2013-09-30 13:36

2 replies

true, but i won't stop.

2013-09-30 15:38

pro tip: don't tell germans to stop moaning.

2013-09-30 18:33

valves versions is better

2013-10-01 17:15

NO DE_cache!! :(

2013-09-29 19:42

7 replies

Thank god.

2013-09-29 20:01

4 replies

+1))

2013-09-29 20:16

+1 :))

2013-09-29 21:11

2013-09-29 22:19

2013-09-30 10:44

2013-09-29 20:45

sad ;\

2013-09-29 21:20

sweet :)

2013-09-29 19:42

nice to see. gl 2 all

2013-09-29 19:43

valve, why w/o assault and piranesi?

2013-09-29 19:43

Nice. Even 5-8 will be able to cover travel+stay and still have some money left.

2013-09-29 19:43

2 replies

5-8 will actually win more than most event winners this year

2013-09-29 19:50

1 reply

Yup, you're right. Even 9-16 won't lose money (assuming they are Europeans), so even teams with no organization backing can come if they get a slot.

2013-09-29 19:58

Valve's mirage!

2013-09-29 19:44

chicken maps

2013-09-29 19:44

So excited! :)

2013-09-29 19:44

see u there

2013-09-29 19:44

valve mirage? this will be interesting :)

2013-09-29 19:45

2 replies

cant wait :D

2013-09-29 20:24

1 reply

2013-09-29 22:56

NICE!

2013-09-29 19:45

Single elemination? Sad :( Going to be an awesome event though!

2013-09-29 19:46

2 replies

+1 This is weird. Groups will be played in "double elimination" and actual playoffs won't.

2013-09-29 19:53

1 reply

so Groups are bo3 and playoffs bo1 wot????

2013-09-30 08:45

I really don't understand this mirage thing. Like we have a lot of competitions going on still besides DHW that are using mirage_ce - so now teams have to practice both ? I think the Valve Mirage is shit, but if it was to be introduced into the cycle, at least give people like a good month or two with tournaments using the map and etc.

2013-09-29 19:46

4 replies

i think DH has to use the Valve's map cause the money is sponsored by Valve? Not sure though.

2013-09-29 20:45

2 replies

+1 Thats what I was assumeing. I still would rather them fix A site on valves mirage. Without jungle it feels open :(

2013-09-29 20:55

you mean by us. this is ALL money from esports cases/keys.

2013-09-30 14:52

I would even play Bravo maps with that money flow that valve put in this tournament.

2013-09-29 20:56

Mirage from MM :DDD nice

2013-09-29 19:46

omg , valve mirage

2013-09-29 19:46

14 replies

ahahahah

2013-09-29 19:49

totally joke :)

2013-09-29 19:49

Navi protest?

2013-09-29 19:58

Don't worry, your chances are not very big in this tournament.

2013-09-29 20:02

7 replies

5-8 and still 10K enough

2013-09-29 20:06

2 replies

9-16*

2013-09-30 07:24

1 reply

hate more

2013-09-30 10:49

dick comment

2013-09-29 20:24

2 replies

hes right actually

2013-09-29 20:37

1 reply

Stating facts does not grant immunity being asshat

2013-09-29 20:51

People said the same thing about Epsilon on Dreamhack Summer 2013 :) This is why we watch. Never know. NaVi of all teams can go all the way with enough practise.

2013-09-29 21:28

2013-09-29 20:10

valve maps are so bad i think ............. im a bit disapointed now .....

2013-09-29 21:12

1 reply

2013-09-29 22:30

Valve mirage! Whahahahahha. Biggest joke EU GG valve, wouldnt expect any less (Y)

2013-09-29 19:46

5 replies

GTR said Valve's mirage is better in some ways, IIRC.

2013-09-29 20:45

4 replies

I know 1 thing thats better :)

2013-09-29 21:01

who cares about that what gtr said?

2013-09-29 21:12

2 replies

Well, he's in the top team in the world and is going to be playing in this tournament. If you're on HLTV.org, you care by definition.

2013-09-29 21:27

1 reply

So what? If you don't like the map, why would you give a flying fuck about what gtr thinks about it? It doesn't matter to you, even if he were to say that it's the best map there is.

2013-10-06 05:02

fucking nip 100k incoming

2013-09-29 19:47

6 replies

not this time these 100K are for AD :)

2013-09-29 20:09

4 replies

no AD have low chances

2013-09-29 20:11

1 reply

yeah sure they are strong but jung team so i would say until DHW they will be in really good shape

2013-09-29 20:14

same story was for the DH Bucharest , AD wont win this

2013-09-29 20:38

1 reply

can u understand AD is a new team they need time to get better as team when NiP is more than 1 year old :)

2013-09-29 20:58

if theres any time for them to be challenged, its at a mega tournament where everyone is sure to be on their top game.

2013-09-29 21:22

NiP Lemondogs Astana VeryGames Na`Vi coL k1ck cph ww ESC fnatic LGB 3DMAX and +3 ?

2013-09-29 19:47

4 replies

astana>lemondogs

2013-09-29 20:22

1 reply

he just wrote all teams what should be there he didnt manage put the top 1,2,3 ....

2013-09-29 21:10

Denial (old curse)

2013-09-29 21:20

BEGRIP ftw xaxaxxaa xD

2013-09-29 23:39

why you are crying about maps? you will not play on dreamhack rofl

2013-09-29 19:47

de_mirage? OMFG :[

2013-09-29 19:47

Finally, non_se maps. The non_se maps are just as good if not better at this point. Unsure about mirage though.

2013-09-29 19:48

3 replies

you got lowest fps in non se maps + some random stuff like chickens ............

2013-09-29 21:09

2 replies

the lowest FPS? The difference between dust 2_se and non_se is about 10 FPS for me..... When you have hundreds of FPS, that doesn't matter in the slightest.

2013-09-29 21:29

1 reply

for me its like 40 fps :) at least feeling between 200-150 fps and 150-90 fps .... and _se maps are kinda clear i didnt like this stuff from css maps becouse im 1.6 players ˇˇ

2013-09-29 21:34

can't wait for this.. but there should be 32 team for this huge prizepool.. and double elimination and +cache

2013-09-29 19:59

2 replies

2013-09-29 20:05

who the hell plays cache these days..

2013-09-30 18:36

Valve's de_mirage is not gonna fit for Pro Plays..

2013-09-29 19:48

2 replies

they have to fit the maps, not the oposite...

2013-09-29 20:55

1 reply

2013-10-01 17:04

Valve be like: you only get the money if you host our mirage

2013-09-29 19:48

4 replies

PLUS FUCKIN' ONE

2013-09-29 20:08

So? I see nothing bad in asking for Valve made maps for once!

2013-09-29 21:07

This way all the casuals won't wonder why they're using a different version of mirage Good move, we need consistency in maps

2013-09-29 21:17

valve stupid as fuck so many times why not now ? :D

2013-09-29 21:36

what the actual fuck thats retarded

2013-09-29 19:49

everyone is going to ban that mirage on lan so it isnt going to be played.

2013-09-29 19:49

Thats a lot for 2nd.

2013-09-29 19:50

de_mirage intresting

2013-09-29 19:50

well I guess that's it then. We just can't catch a break, tournament's over :(

2013-09-29 19:51

Meh valve mirage. Still a good trade though, shit maps for 250k prize pool. Can't complain.

2013-09-29 19:51

pff, 16 team tournament... they should at least consider to do BO3 matches in group stage.

2013-09-29 20:01

6 replies

Why? Let groups be just for seedings then bo3 in winners bracket and bo1 in losers, like TI3

2013-09-29 21:18

5 replies

because the longer tournament last, the more games viewers can see, as for example in Copenhagen Games

2013-09-29 21:24

4 replies

If every game was a bo3 they'd need 2 days just for groups with 16 teams. People will get bored fast.

2013-09-29 21:35

3 replies

mr50 or what are you talking about? :D

2013-09-29 23:17

2 replies

4 groups of 4 they each play each other, 12 games per group, 48 games, considering 2 maps take about 2 hours lets say its 2.5 hours per game best case scenario with 30min for some delays if you want viewers then the top 2 teams in each group have to have their games casted, thats 24 total games casted best case scenario with each game about 1 hour long thats 24 hours of gameplay not counting delays which always happen. if you want GOOD coverage of groups with a bo3 format you need to dedicate 2 solid days to it if you want a bo3 look at TI3, only 16 teams and yet they still needed 3 days of prelim matches, and thats only a bo2 OR we can have shit coverage of the best event of the year with all bo3 games sqashed into 1 day with maybe 8 games being casted total viewers' choice

2013-09-30 00:11

1 reply

Yea you are right. A good tournament would be hosted/covered like that. Lets hope they do it like that. I was just thinking about a standard cs tournament tho, srry :D

2013-09-30 00:21

Wish TD would attend. Even though I know they would fail.

2013-09-29 19:52

1 reply

They could make a top 8 in good brackets, if it was double elim chances would be better tho.

2013-10-01 17:08

I hate when some tournament use some map pool, and other use other mappool

2013-09-29 19:52

Calling chicken rush mid...

2013-09-29 19:53

Ahahahahahaha seriously!?!?!?! chickens and fog all round! and valve mirage! Ahahah and i was actually looking forward to this tournament, way to fuck it all up NiP + VALVe seriously, what a fucking JOKE

2013-09-29 19:53

1 reply

they uipdated inferno and mirage

2013-09-29 19:54

money looks like a good old 1.6 tournament

2013-09-29 19:53

2 replies

2013-09-29 20:00

Except 1.6 never had this high a prizepool

2013-09-29 21:19

nip win

2013-09-29 19:53

NA, Brazil and Asian teams coming?

2013-09-29 19:54

1 reply

maybe Team TD

2013-09-29 20:35

after this tournament NiP can buy HOUSE :P

2013-09-29 19:54

1 reply

i guess after winning almost every single lan they attended they can or they have already bought a house. ;)

2013-09-29 21:11

stop crying about the maps, it really doesnt matter if they use SE or normal maps tbh

2013-09-29 19:54

1 reply

I frankly don't think any one is crying over non _se maps. It's the whole mirage thing that is just plain stupid.

2013-09-29 20:15

32 teams plz!

2013-09-29 19:54

Niid moar Oilrig!

2013-09-29 19:55

Valve gives money so they set the rules ;D

2013-09-29 19:55

5 replies

Don't forget, we as a community made the prizepool and valve only gave some of it to the prizepool

2013-09-29 20:12

4 replies

"only gave" You are implying that VALVE owes the community some of the money what they generated trough their business that? lol Well, news flash: they don't! lol

2013-09-29 21:08

Entitled child, valve doesn't owe anyone anything. They made a product, you bought it. They could have stopped there but they give up some of their profits to promote the scene.

2013-09-29 21:21

2 replies

Only the fact that they advertised said product (esports cases and keys?) saying that the money will be used for the tournaments. Thus valve does owe it in some sense.

2013-09-30 01:59

1 reply

i had a problem with his "community made the prizepool and valve only gave some of it to the prizepool" of course they only gave a portion of it to the prizepool, what are the supposed to do? make the skins for free? and no, the community didnt make all of it. some is coming from DH sponsors.

2013-09-30 02:35

congratz NiP

2013-09-29 19:57

haha GG chickens and terrible maps. they can't even be bothered to get update the game with the competitive scene interests at heart and then when they do get involved they manage to be so fucking stupid. rofl

2013-09-29 19:58

sounds great

2013-09-29 19:58

4 invites? Verygames, Astana, Natus Vincere, fnatic?

2013-09-29 19:58

2 replies

coL, VeryGames, fnatic, China team

2013-09-29 20:00

1 reply

Whoever won beat it finals or a new wmf would be awesome

2013-09-29 21:22

will these include the updates for train and inferno then?

2013-09-29 19:59

1 reply

2013-09-29 19:59

interesting developement ;x

2013-09-29 19:59

$250k?! :O :O

2013-09-29 19:59

2 replies

Good morning!?

2013-09-29 20:19

1 reply

agressive nerd detected :D:D

2013-09-29 20:59

Valve mirage? wat? And single elimination? Cmon DH stop trolling

2013-09-29 20:00

gotta love seeing pro players forced to be playing on maps with chickens and useless background sounds when there's perfectly good maps without such dumb features...way to go guys.

2013-09-29 20:01

No cache, no season. Fucking awesome!

2013-09-29 20:01

5 replies

but chikens...

2013-09-29 20:04

2 replies

We'll miss it :'(

2013-09-29 20:28

1 reply

on the contrary they will be :DD

2013-09-29 20:41

Agree 100% my n*gga!

2013-09-29 20:04

+1452242541q624245425665327

2013-09-29 20:19

it's going to be interesting to see Valve's non_se maps and their own Mirage being played at the highest level of CSGO.

2013-09-29 20:04

You got to be kidding me, VALVE's mirage :s

2013-09-29 20:04

Where's n!faculty? They won DH Valencia, so shouldn't they get a spot.

2013-09-29 20:05

1 reply

yes They got spot.. just Misunderstanding i Think... orGaniser will fix it :)

2013-09-29 20:25

best money but not the best tournament. Copenhagen Games best

2013-09-29 20:10

All of them are better than the _se versions, bar the smoke. Except mirage, of course.

2013-09-29 20:11

250k tournament, and you are using the shittiest maps around. garbage

2013-09-29 20:11

NiP must have convinced VALVe to use the standard maps so Fifflaren could get some kills too (chickens).

2013-09-29 20:12

ha! very interesting :D I actually like valve's mirage

2013-09-29 20:12

4 replies

yeyeye and u also like mm

2013-09-29 20:18

3 replies

oh stop whining like lil bitches what about mm? many pro players play it, so what?

2013-09-29 20:22

2 replies

come on that mirage map is not even playable competively. look at the A bomb site, i'm pretty sure most of pro players won't agree with that

2013-09-29 20:25

1 reply

dunno man I won every match on mirage, maybe that's why I like it :D Anyway they will have to play it, let's see how it turns out.

2013-09-29 20:26

Rofl, what did I tell you. Valve would make DreamHack play their map(s). "no they wont" they said. Its their money, they said.

2013-09-29 20:13

9 replies

apparently, they shit on their own community

2013-09-29 20:15

8 replies

I find it hilarious people actually believed that they wouldn't when they sponsored alot of the prize. But yes, ofcourse they do, they've tried shoving their shitty maps down the communties throat for as long as I can remember. And as usual, NiP goes along with it.

2013-09-29 20:17

7 replies

They sponsored the prizepool? Last time I checked people spent their only money on them keys.

2013-09-29 20:21

5 replies

Sure, sure. Which is the sad part. But I guess they still see them as "their money" even though the community made it possible. Such a bad move. Jesus christ. They must be aware that they community hate their shitty maps so I dont see why they would force them to play on those maps if we sponsored it.

2013-09-29 20:22

I agree, people pay for those keys.

2013-09-29 20:23

+1 AND: Valve only "sponsored" a PART of the eSports-Key money. They also KEPT money from the keys. NOT a f2p game, STILL keeping money from keys. And people are like: "yeah! n1 Valve! So generous!!".

2013-09-29 20:32

2 replies

They are a business. If you have an issue with that, you don't understand how a business works. This isn't a charity.

2013-09-29 21:35

1 reply

omfg..u don't get the point.... :D ...

2013-09-29 21:50

You just can't say they are sponsoring, we knew since the update that we were paying keys for the CSGO tournaments so actually this is our money and they didn't spend 1euro for that tournament. I thought they were in the good way, but that was only a matter of time before they deny it and implent their own shitty mirage in the competitive CS. Don't even know why I thought this tournament could be as good as I expected, this is VALVe after all

2013-09-29 20:47

2013-09-29 20:14

de_inferno without the chickens and fog > de_inferno_se de_mirage_ce > de_mirage de_train_ve > de_train VALVe doesn't listen to shit :) Shooting themselves in the head.

2013-09-29 20:16

VALVE mirage???? WHY???? It sucks so hard.

2013-09-29 20:16

Seriously? What the fuck is it? Why do they have to change the mappool, and even though I would be more or less ok for 4 of these 5 maps, how the fuck do they put the VALVe version of mirage here? That's just hilarious how this map is fucked up. I just hope the community and the pro players won't be ok with it. For the first time we have a major tournament in CSGO I was really expecting something better. But come on that is shit shit & shit, tbh I would enjoy more a 10k$ tournament with the other maps than this. I really hope it won't stay like that. cmon mirage, rly???????

2013-09-29 20:17

its a good move to unify maps

2013-09-29 20:17

3 replies

Good move? Really?

2013-09-29 20:25

2 replies

Yes its a good move. When a casual moves into the competitive scene they have to learn brand new maps so they play like noobs again, get frustrated, go back to casual. A unified map pool is a good idea

2013-09-29 21:27

1 reply

+ 1 pro players who practice solo sometimes ex. Markeloff they are playing mm and these kind of maps so I think we are going to witness some kind of a quality matches

2013-10-02 18:36

lets hope they update the maps to have NO FOG at all before dreamhack

2013-09-29 20:17

fuming

2013-09-29 20:18

how are we supposed to find pracc ? stack matchmaking ? what a joke, why should we play maps that aren't even official in any common leagues...

2013-09-29 20:19

7 replies

That's because all others will "follow suit" :P

2013-09-29 21:14

3 replies

If this doesn't get changed, I'm pretty sure DHW is going to be the only event that actually has VALVe maps in the official map pool.

2013-09-29 21:16

2 replies

Ah well I know more than you ;)

2013-09-29 21:18

1 reply

Fine by me

2013-09-29 21:19

lol wtf are you talking about? What has finding pracc anything to do with this news? And who says you should play maps "that are not even official in common leagues". Noone is forcing you to anything

2013-09-29 21:16

2 replies

I'm talking about how DHW has a map pool which is totally different from the current default one (aka _se maps). Compare de_mirage to de_mirage_ce and tell me you don't need different setups/strats for VALVe -s de_mirage. e// And how many teams actually want to play VALVe -s de_mirage as pracc ?

2013-09-29 21:19

1 reply

I know that de_mirage and de_mirage_ce are different maps. Still, what has this anything to do with finding pracc? You mean you are not able to find pracc for de_mirage? If it's in the map pool then obviously all the teams thinking of going to dh or playing quals to dreamhack will pracc it. So what's the problem?

2013-09-29 21:25

What about the overtime rules? heh

2013-09-29 20:20

1 reply

Bo5 unless nip is playing, then its a bo3 Jk

2013-09-29 21:28

Expected.

2013-09-29 20:20

chicken maps =D

2013-09-29 20:20

if the mappool stay like that please remove chickens and remove this shitty mirage and make 1 little change to the community current one to make it the VALVe's one as u did for nuke but don't keep this cmooonnnnnnn open ur eyes

2013-09-29 20:21

I think the regular de_maps are just fine if you completely remove the useless fog.

2013-09-29 20:22

GSL style group stage is bad. You can be out with two losses against the same team.

2013-09-29 20:22

100k $ hohoho

2013-09-29 20:23

awesome Tournament.. me exited :D will try come :D

2013-09-29 20:25

Add ESC Gaming GL in Online Qual. Loord Team

2013-09-29 20:25

awesome, but valve mirage? come on valve, why fuck stuff up when you're on the right path?

2013-09-29 20:27

lol @ all the girly whining in this thread. Keep your panties on, kids. Awesome tournament, looking forward to it.

2013-09-29 20:31

As expected. I'm fine with all the normal maps ..but Valve's Mirage sucks.

2013-09-29 20:33

this is a fucking JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would rather have less money that these SHIT maps!!! why volvo, why???

2013-09-29 20:34

1 reply

Its not like you have a chance. This doesn't affect you at all

2013-09-29 21:30

everything is fine :)

2013-09-29 20:39

Yes, everything is fine, but valves mirage? :/

2013-09-29 20:40

cs:nip edition gggggg

2013-09-29 20:42

Nip wanna send take 2 teams to take the top2:)))

2013-09-29 20:43

How can they not make it a 32 teams in such a huge tournament :/

2013-09-29 20:43

Chill, more praccs and matches on de_mirage => more feedback from pro's => more chance that valve can fix or remake it before or after DH.

2013-09-29 20:45

1 reply

yeah beacause they have done such a good job before at fixing things..

2013-09-29 22:38

it's getting pathetic with NiP and VALVe also it's dumb to have just 16 slots for such a huge tournament

2013-09-29 20:48

Valve mirage? What a fucking joke.

2013-09-29 20:45

vavles mirage? OMG

2013-09-29 20:45

niiiiiiiiice!

2013-09-29 20:49

people bitching about valves mirage.. why not look at it from a positive side? neverbefore used in competitive play, new playing styles, some teams might surprise etc...

2013-09-29 20:50

nice.. looking forward to seeing how chickens are used by pro players :P

2013-09-29 20:50

very gooooood

2013-09-29 20:51

fucking amazing

2013-09-29 20:56

Don't mind valves mirages, cuz its okay, but no _se maps :? :(

2013-09-29 20:58

NIP say they want new mirage!

2013-09-29 21:03

Biggest pot for cs ever? Yeah sauce isn't a counter strike so hltv admins dont count cgs..

2013-09-29 21:03

3 replies

actually CGS had 500$k that was divided in 5 different games.

2013-09-29 21:06

1 reply

but wasn't it just divided to every player equally, and when the teams had 10 players in average it's still 50k per face..

2013-09-29 21:27

That's because CGS was multiple games for $500k. This is the "single biggest prize pool for CS ever". CPL Summer 2006 was also for multiple games.

2013-09-29 21:10

this will be a big fail if valve can't stop all these DDOS !

2013-09-29 21:06

3 replies

DDOS won't be a problem as it's LAN

2013-09-29 21:07

2 replies

I don't know about that.. inferno got DDOS so i think they will find a way to fuck up the biggest tournament of the year..

2013-09-29 21:16

1 reply

They've found the swedish ddoser, so its no problem :) And i think DH will fix everything so they wont get Ddosed

2013-09-30 09:05

2013-09-29 21:08

Valve's own de_mirage. stupid as fuck lol.... i think all leagues shoul be played with the same maps ....

2013-09-29 21:07

Valve trolled us all with chickens and foggy maps :D Next tournament they will use 64/64 tickrate servers :D Why is still Valve changing what was already succesfull. It is like to change map in DOTA2 even icefrog cant afford that.

2013-09-29 21:10

NiP will win so much money :o

2013-09-29 21:11

If im not misstaken didn't CGS have 1, 250.000$ 2, 75.000$ 3-4, 35.000$ 5-8, 15.000$ So it's the second biggest. :)

2013-09-29 21:15

5 replies

divided between 5 games

2013-09-29 21:18

4 replies

I'm pretty sure this is just for CS:S esportsearnings.com/tournaments/3572/cgs..

2013-09-29 21:21

3 replies

True but I read that they shared the money between teammates from other games.

2013-09-29 21:43

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oh okay, But I think it was 1 million in total and this much for CS:S.. But you might be right.

2013-09-29 21:43

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$500k in total, but spread between 11 people.

2013-09-29 22:02

About time someone did this!!! Volvo still asked Dreamhack to add their mirage after they supported them.

2013-09-29 21:20

are you kidding me!! Where is season and cache?

2013-09-29 21:23

valve is fucking retarded, last time i defended valve. this is just a complete failure. Maps with fog and chickens, it will only make csgo look like a fools game, like a bunch of random pub players batteling it out. Thats my gg for csgo.

2013-09-29 21:23

Most important group stages, EVER.

2013-09-29 21:30

Yup, I'm mad. Funny that Valve uses the community-given money to dictate a map pool consisting of maps that neither the community nor the professional teams wanted. Except for NiP of course, who seemingly never really stood up for what the community or other teams wanted but did the opposite, stand up for what Valve wanted and use their influence to get the community and other teams to accept Valve's say. And I wouldn't be surprised if Valve doesn't listen to the other teams that clearly stated their dislike for fog, chickens and the new mirage. It's a 250k tournament, it's not like teams will not attend because of chickens. The whole thing could be played out on aim_dust and teams would still attend. And in the end all the players will go "chickens aren't that bad, sure I thought they made no sense whatsoever and damaged competitive play, but they're not so bad..." like they do with everything else in the game that just straight up doesn't belong in neither CS nor any good competitively viable FPS. Are there no people in the professional scene left with passion for CS that stand up for what they want? Almost every single known pro has at one point or another stated how broken the game is in some regards, and even though not a single major gameplay-related thing was changed, everybody just forgets, grows to accept it and dries their tears with stupid skins.

2013-09-29 21:33

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Oh how little you know :P

2013-09-29 21:41

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Witty remark. I'm open for discussion, I have in the past said much about this and there is much more to say, care to try and argue?

2013-09-29 21:44

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Considering all tournaments have just signed a deal to co-operate and force the maps anyway. The fact that ESL are actively working with Valve to have a cvar command in the works for the removal of chickens. The fact that fog isn't even an issue anymore. The fact that there are also some more changes to official maps.

2013-09-29 21:50

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"Considering all tournaments have just signed a deal to co-operate and force the maps anyway." This doesn't make me know little, that is in fact exactly what I predicted would happen. As for the rest, I very much welcome that, I in fact didn't know and didn't expect that. But "fog isn't an issue anymore" and "some more changes" won't convince me that Valve is in fact interested in a constructive map designing process involving professional teams and their input or community input for that matter.

2013-09-29 21:58

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Well there is no fog anymore on the standard maps. That has been removed. The changes that have been done to said maps have been based on feedback from the community. It's funny how people talk about that Valve don't take much feedback, yet they always do.

2013-09-29 22:00

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Last time I checked there were massive amounts of dust and fog, especially at the start of a round, which is crucial on a map like dust2, where in the first seconds there could be a clash happening that requires you to be able to see perfectly clear. Then again, last time I checked was rather long ago. How have they been based on community input? They read stuff and take the suggestions they wanted to hear in the first place? What I always criticised the most ist that they don't argue openly about anything they do, yet want people to write articles about the reasons as to why they want something and also to get the whole community to like it as well (as could be seen in the response to the movement changes suggestions). Look at train and inferno, the two maps that probably received the most updates. What exactly about the changes was community-driven? People want to go under trains, now you can't even throw grenades or look through under them, people wanted a wider banana, now we have a railing less in mid. They wanted to graphically enhance mirage, why did they then go ahead and mess with a perfectly designed map gameplay-wise, that is probably the most played and liked map in the game right now? Why is everything sealed off and why can't there be a transparent and open process of development? Not only does it feel like they don't listen, it is a fact that they don't speak.

2013-09-29 22:16

Valve mirage is actually very good. It has better visibility and new stairs on A are really good addition if you ask me. Valve needs to remove fog and unnecessary items on map that you could stuck onto. Also a wider banana @ inferno would be appreciated.

2013-09-29 21:33

de_cache >>>>>>>

2013-09-29 21:35

If they remove fog from these maps it's good move. Mirage needs some serious tweaking though.

2013-09-29 21:37

why wont they make it at least 32 teams.. the prize pot is too big to limit the amount of teams.. im sure a number of north american teams will be willing to travel and play it

2013-09-29 21:39

- mirage valve + aztec

2013-09-29 21:39

I'm a casual player who only play in mm but I follow the pro scene so I know the maps etc. Imo it's good move to make pros play those casual maps too because that way there won't be that huge gap between casuals and pros. Also I think it's way better that everyone plays the same maps, even if they "suck", than to have eleven version of each maps. That way the pros can whine so that valve fixes the maps/makes them better, which is better than having those eleven different versions... And tbh _se versions are outdated apart from fog and chickens. And btw, there are still time for Valve to make those non _se maps better!

2013-09-29 21:41

why only 16 spots? there should be at least 32...

2013-09-29 21:42

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16 teams are totally fine, considering they have to wait for the whole BYOC tournament. it's a competetion and having a limited team list is making it more exciting. no team can go relaxed into any game. never saw a really big tournament with more than 16 teams.

2013-09-29 22:12

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+1 Dont forget this is the final Dreamhack of the season and not a open tournament.

2013-09-29 22:43

then u are new to CS, CPL was the biggest e-sport event and had over 64 or even 100+ teams.

2013-09-30 03:29

why cash to 9-16?

2013-09-29 21:57

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so qualifiers mean something?

2013-09-29 23:09

CAN SOMEONE PINCH MEE ? ! NO THIS MIRAGE! (rage)

2013-09-29 22:09

valve paying money so they play trash mirage... can't be sirious... the biggest price pool in cs history and the force the players to play a map they never practised and was never played or practiced by any decent team

2013-09-29 22:21

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So, now they have 3 months to practice this. Where is the problem? OMG -.-.

2013-09-29 22:58

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simple, no need to change whats working

2013-09-30 03:29

money money comming to csgo!

2013-09-29 22:37

easy money for nip

2013-09-29 22:50

unbelievable prizes....

2013-09-29 23:00

Broken map cycle.. On the brink of being unwatchable.

2013-09-29 23:09

Oh no, the DRAMA! If we learned something since the begining of the CSGO era is that this retarded community needs to have stuff shoved down her throat. The latest "cry me a river" is the map pool, which is like 90% the same shit, and still people declare stuff like "broken map cycle... on the brink of being unwatchable". This about the biggest tournament in recent history or maybe ever. App chickens are the dark side. Can't you all just grow the fuck up?!

2013-09-29 23:35

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Are you completely retarded kid? The map pool were already at bit small in prior versions of CS, and it were getting tedious to watch the same maps over and over again. In CS:GO the competitive map pool is even smaller?! Wtf did you think would happen, we would celebrate? Grow a pair of brain cells will you?

2013-10-14 22:24

valve mirage, is it new mirage or _se? or...

2013-09-29 23:36

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It's the new official Mirage, there is no se version of it.

2013-09-29 23:48

only versions of mirage other than valve's are _ce and _go

2013-09-30 00:17

Prize distribution needs to be tweeked, to big of a gap between 1st and 2nd. Not enough incentive to attend unless you're a top team. 1. $70,000 2. $40,000 3-4. $25,000 5-8. $15,000 9-16. $3,750 much better

2013-09-29 23:57

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the incentive is there to place 1st. teams wouldn't try as hard if only 30k separated first and second

2013-09-30 00:16

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top teams will always try hard so as to stay at the top. But a mid level team with aspirations to get better will definitely think about attending if they think they have a shot at $15k or even just three thousand dollars.

2013-09-30 09:25

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2013-09-30 16:44

2013-09-30 16:43

Esc is screwed now. no mirage haha.

2013-09-30 00:10

YAY lets play maps that we currently havnt played yet. Valves version of train isnt playable, atleast not in competition and mirage isnt much better. Letting valve decide whats best of the competetive scene has always worked wonders :D!

2013-09-30 00:19

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tell me whats wrong with the new train?

2013-09-30 09:02

new train is way better than train_se

2013-09-30 18:26

Nice, I prefer more non _se maps. But de_mirage has some major advantage glitches, Valve need to fix them. Would be cool to see some other Polish team.

2013-09-30 00:58