NiP: Not serious about MSI Beat it

8-10-2013 15:19

Ninjas in Pyjamas member Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson has suggested that his team did not take the MSI Beat It! match against VeryGames seriously.

The Swedish giants failed to hold down a spot for the MSI Beat it! world finals in China after losing to VeryGames 2-0 in the semi-finals of the European tournament, which was played online.

It was NiP's first official defeat to VG since CS:GO came about, and in the hours that followed the game numerous people suggested that the Swedes had thrown the game due to the almost conflicting schedule between the MSI Beat it Finals and DreamHack Winter.

The Swedish event will start on November 28th, just five days after the grand final of MSI Beat it!, which means that teams who attend both tournaments will suffer from the jetlag effects of the long flight from Beijing to Jönköping and will have less time to prepare for the $250,000 competition.

Johansson has now hinted on reddit that NiP did not prepare for this match properly as the team did not want go to China.

Last week, it was announced that NiP will feature in a TV series that will follow the team over the next few weeks as they look to defend their DreamHack Winter crown.

As such, one extra tournament, especially one in China, could have an impact on the team's preparation for DH Winter and hurt the their chances of winning the $100,000 cheque.

as I thought

2013-10-08 15:20

rumour mill

2013-10-08 15:21

Wise move.

2013-10-08 15:22

lol

2013-10-08 15:22

smell of excuses

2013-10-08 15:22

21 replies

Not really.

2013-10-08 15:23

18 replies

why not just forfeit ?

2013-10-08 15:30

17 replies

Why not give VG the feelings of being good once in a while ;>

2013-10-08 15:38

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Well they did win though :D, without even trying hard hehe

2013-10-08 15:43

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Oh bro, they tried hard.

2013-10-08 15:49

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and won 16-8, 16-7, so it was worth, just outaimed btw

2013-10-08 17:57

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2013-10-08 18:43

how about nip getting raped for the first time ?

2013-10-08 15:59

3 replies

stop dreaming. vg can't do shit when nip is playing seriously.

2013-10-08 16:06

1 reply

So many butthurt nip fanboys~

2013-10-08 21:00

match versus WW on dreamhack summer ? it was 1 map but still 16-2 was just ownage

2013-10-08 18:13

Because that creates controversy.. it would make NiP look bad and make MSI Beat It look bad, that a team would forfeit out of a tournament because they want to prepare for another. Why risk being invited to a future MSI Beat It? Just show up and play the match and see what happens.

2013-10-08 15:55

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That would make sense if they didn't talk about it afterwards, but Fifflaren just did though... And I don't think they care about looking "bad", after what we saw vs fnatic at DH.

2013-10-08 16:00

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Well I'm sure Fifflaren wasn't supposed to say that..(that's why Xizt came out to sort of ease the outrage that's being thrown at them).. also NiP did nothing wrong at DH... how did they look bad? The match was played not following the rule set so they protested... after they lost following the right rule set they went over to shake hands and were denied and curse/spit at... I'd say NiP is the epitome of professionalism, something that is severely lacking in the CSGO world at the moment.

2013-10-08 16:23

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"I'd say NiP is the epitome of professionalism, something that is severely lacking in the CSGO world at the moment." I can hardly see what they just did as professionalism.

2013-10-08 17:30

If they forfeit they may have gotten banned from the next msi cup

2013-10-08 16:12

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2013-10-08 16:23

is that in the rules ?Never saw someone get ban for a forfeit, they even could invent an other reason not to play, it seems weird, really, losing their time for nothing.

2013-10-08 17:21

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i dont if its in their rules its just an assumption

2013-10-08 17:46

smells of common sense

2013-10-08 15:25

sometimes you can beat a team without using strats, just using default and aim, this time wasnt one of them

2013-10-08 15:56

A little disrespectful towards the tournament and VG, couldn't they have just pulled out?

2013-10-08 15:24

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2013-10-08 15:25

2013-10-08 15:28

2013-10-08 15:34

disrespectful in which way? lol

2013-10-08 15:34

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Well it means that VG's performance was only about a unconcerned NiP team.

2013-10-08 15:35

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so what? thats not disrespectful

2013-10-08 15:37

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it is completely, toward Verygames. It means that this victory has nothing to do with them.

2013-10-08 15:38

It's unethical.

2013-10-08 15:39

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2013-10-08 18:02

They are pretty much saying that VG's victory wasn't legit and also belittling the MSI tournament by not being bothered to try for it. How is that not clear? :D

2013-10-08 15:37

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they are not saying VG's win wasnt legit nor even they didnt care about MSI, they are just saying true facts, they didnt prepare well to focus on the biggest tournament ever... its a good thing to do i think

2013-10-08 15:41

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An example, Usain Bolt turns up to the worlds qualifiers, doesn't qualify to worlds events and turns around and says. Oh I skipped a lot of practice because I didn't want to go to the worlds as I am concentrating on the Olympics. That would be belittling the worlds and the other athlete's. Same thing here, why even bother going for the qualifiers if you are not going to commit?

2013-10-08 16:23

They never threw the match, go look at Xizt's twitter, they were never going to the China finals MSI knew it, they were however actually playing to win the $5000 online prize, VG won it fair and square. This is just horrible link bait reporting trying to get more hits for more ad revenue.

2013-10-08 15:37

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Regardless of whether they threw it or not, what Fifflaren said was suggesting that they didn't try as hard as they could have, which is disrespectful in my opinion.

2013-10-08 15:39

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No what Fifflaren said was they weren't going to China, anything beyond that is people reading into something and putting their own meaning behind the words. I work in Journalism, this is just a crappy link baiting story nothing more. EDIT: Not to mention this just harms the entire community, do you think any other pro team or player will now do an AMA on Reddit or even post replying to peoples questions on ANY site including HLTV? Or will they be too worried some wanna be blogger will twist their words and try and make a story out of nothing? This post just destroyed the trust.

2013-10-08 15:45

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I don't care about the post itself, I am talking about what Fifflaren actually said. I totally understand what you mean and I am not disagreeing with that it probably is a "crappy link baiting story".

2013-10-08 16:17

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What Fifflaren actually said was they weren't going to China end of story. Anything more that that is a combination is English not being his native language and too many children who follow CS reading too much into what someone says.

2013-10-08 16:48

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I see what you mean now, however I was looking at his answer to the full question. They asked this, in relation to the VG match "Did you really consider going to Asia when you played Verygames in the semi final" not "Did you really consider going to Asia" Then he says "No not really" which would suggest they were not bothered about the VG game but as you say it is probably down to his English. As for the children bit, pretty harsh :P

2013-10-08 22:27

You hit the nail on the head. This article is so pointless it is hilarious. It is saying nothing about nothing--yet another sensationalist HLTV post. On top of that, only a few days ago, some members of HLTV staff were in one of the threads making fun of the CS:GO reddit. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an agenda here to discredit other people from turning to reddit; I don't have much support from this theory other than Richard Lewis' accusation that HLTV play dirty and some of their jokes on this site, but it's possible.

2013-10-08 16:26

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I agree with you, and HLTV has hurt it's own rep with this story but they won't care as long as they get views on it and the associated advertising dollars. At least on Reddit you can downvote horribly stupid and self serving posts like this 'story'

2013-10-08 16:46

I've complained about Miira so many times in the past... Even got banned once because of it. Horrible journalist. Used to write public articles as fact when they were purely based on faint rumors

2013-10-09 03:07

can you shut up

2013-10-08 16:13

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asd

2013-10-08 16:17

u mad bro?

2013-10-08 16:24

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mad? na, just cant stand how dumb you are

2013-10-08 20:28

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Judges one's intelligence on a gaming forum, sweet!

2013-10-08 21:47

+1111111

2013-10-08 15:41

if you read what he actually said there's nothing disrespectful, just HLTV with a bit of tabloid journalism. if it's the truth why would he say otherwise? And makes perfect sense to take not China so seriously if it affects their prep time....100% you read the Daily Mail and love it.

2013-10-08 15:42

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It does make perfect sense not to go to China, If it was me I would have said we tried and lost, fair and square.

2013-10-08 16:25

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u dont play for NIP, you dont know what the truth is and there's nothing wrong with what he did say. You're trying to make him live up to what the media portrays as role models in sports - robots who say exactly what you expect them to. It's a non story and he said nothing crazy at all.

2013-10-08 23:48

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You must being going off only one comment that I made, if you read my other comments I have suggested that it has been a mix up with the question. The question was asked in relation to the verygames match and it looks like Fifflaren has answered it as a general term and not to do with the semi-final. I am not reading into anything, I just gave my opinion and now knowing all the fact's I can see that it was not meant to be disrespectful, it just came across that way. Considering him and Xizt had to justify themselves I couldn't have been the only one who thought that and I am 100% sure NIP don't give a fuck what I think personally more of the community as a whole.

2013-10-09 16:03

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Fair enough

2013-10-09 18:45

I'd say that's more disrespectful... 'we're going to pull out of this tournament because we want to prepare for another tournament' It's like saying MSI Beat It is a shit tournament and is not worthy of our time. EDIT: The best way would have been what they did, minus Fifflaren being an idiot and admitting to it.

2013-10-08 15:57

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I think MSI Beat it would understand the situation a bit more if they spoke to them and told them it was difficult to travel and come back prepared for another event closer to home rather than just not bothering. You are right, Fifflaren probably should have just said VG beat us fair and square. I think it is just mind games, because now VG have beat them that gives VG a lot of confidence.

2013-10-08 16:29

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Xizt has said the organisers knew that they weren't going to te LAN finals, which is also what fifflaren said minus the organisers part, nowhere has it been said they didn't play properly or throw the game by the nip players or vg players

2013-10-08 17:35

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Again, the questions asked, is in terms of the VeryGames match and not just a general question, that is why I thought it was disrespectful, but since I have read the other information it probably wasn't meant to be a dig.

2013-10-09 01:47

2013-10-08 16:04

It's tactical. Of course nip would play the match. If you had the chance to play against one of your closest competition in a match you don't care about, why wouldn't you? You'd get to see their tactics, if they've changed anything, and get a sense of where they're at for when you play them next and actually have to win.

2013-10-08 17:10

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Yeah again I wasn't arguing that, I am just saying it wasn't very nice for Fiffy to say that, that is all. However it does look like bad journalism rather than fiffy being horrible the more I look into it.

2013-10-09 01:45

Makes no sense for them to lose to VG on purpose. If they didn't want to play they would have left the tournament. All they have done now is broken the barrier for VG to stomp them at LAN and fiffy is just trying to repair it

2013-10-08 15:24

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this

2013-10-08 15:33

they would probably be banned from the tournament for the next seasons if they left.

2013-10-08 16:14

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0% chance for that.

2013-10-08 16:16

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there is a chance since there are tournaments like SLTV which have the rule that if someone leaves a league gets ban for a few seasons.

2013-10-08 16:22

that isn't true at all.

2013-10-08 16:24

hope they'll fail at DHW

2013-10-08 15:25

2 replies

never gonna happen

2013-10-08 16:49

youtube.com/watch?v=Yb76AobIgcU

2013-10-08 23:28

smart move... ofc

2013-10-08 15:25

I smell something in here.. not sure if bull or shit?

2013-10-08 15:25

3 replies

twice maybe? ^_^

2013-10-08 15:32

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*both :D

2013-10-08 15:33

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aha yeap :(

2013-10-08 15:34

excuses vg #1

2013-10-08 15:25

they still could win that match and refuse to attend in china, or not?

2013-10-08 15:25

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they would do that for sure if the have won. fifflaren didn't say they weren't trying to win.

2013-10-08 15:58

Ofcourse it is logical for them do this, but Fifflaren shouldn't have said it.

2013-10-08 15:26

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haha

2013-10-08 15:35

+1 looks pretty lame now, especially from fiff

2013-10-08 15:40

Why not just leave the tournament and not take away the gigantic psychological edge NiP had over VG?

2013-10-08 15:42

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how about for the 3k 1st place finish. worth playing the match, even not with 100% mindset.

2013-10-08 15:56

Because that's disrespectful to the tournament organizers... I'd rather they pug it out than to leave so far into a tournament and fuck the tournament over.

2013-10-08 15:59

or people shouldn't have wrote an article and make this a big deal while putting more unnecessary discussion's between community

2013-10-08 16:00

NiP will be placed 3-4th place. You first read it here.

2013-10-08 15:26

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i read it first on fragbite bro

2013-10-08 16:07

I'm reading this since DHW's prizepool was announced. And still imo: youtube.com/watch?v=Yb76AobIgcU

2013-10-08 23:30

Was pretty obvious.

2013-10-08 15:26

It's Beijing now, not Shanghai ;)

2013-10-08 15:27

Excuses.

2013-10-08 15:29

expected, but to still mention it was a pretty bad move. It's almost like taking the victory from VG, who have played so much to get to finally beat NiP.

2013-10-08 15:29

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Doesn't matter.... no win over NiP matters online. Do it on LAN where it truly matters... this doesn't take away from their win at all, they aren't the first time to beat NiP online, NiP has been beaten by teams online much worse than VG.. Beat them at DHW and no1 will give a fuck about NiP not giving a fuck in an online match.

2013-10-08 16:00

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Stop thinking like esc in 1.6 (only good on lan and stuff.....), it wasn't a simple online match, there was money at the end!

2013-10-08 18:07

makes sense

2013-10-08 15:29

He's honest, that's it. We suspected this and it's just a smart decision if you compare to Dreamhack's price money.

2013-10-08 15:31

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Pitty that some people in here do not understand that. Stupidity is on a higher level nowadays

2013-10-08 15:32

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Yes, of course, we are Swedes but you have to understand the decision. If you're a honest person, then you're a professional player. You can't lie about it.

2013-10-08 15:35

Please tell me more about that Era of Intelligence you have experienced.

2013-10-08 15:36

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No need, you wouldnt get it into your brain anyway.

2013-10-08 17:02

Haha, of course :D

2013-10-08 15:32

haha good one, seems legit.. gl ninjas

2013-10-08 15:32

LOL on those who says it's an excuse. We all know what NiP is capable of and what they've done to VG in past year.

2013-10-08 15:32

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if VG couldnt beat NiP in past year it doesn't mean that they can't do it now

2013-10-08 15:37

not fair from them! so unprofessional..

2013-10-08 15:33

mystery explained

2013-10-08 15:36

Totally disrespectful towards VG. Maybe it is truth that they didn't played on highest level, but they shouldn't have to say it. VG probably worked very hard to win that match, and now Fifflaren just pissed on that...

2013-10-08 15:36

they are honest, but probably will be prohibited to join any further MSI series imo

2013-10-08 15:36

A mistake by fifflaren to even admit or hint at it.

2013-10-08 15:37

Ofc they did, make no sens going to china when its so much at stake

2013-10-08 15:37

They could have just won the match and the whole qualifier and said that they just wouldnt go...

2013-10-08 15:38

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Xizt wrote the same thing on twitter. This full story is bullsht tbh. They just lost, basta.

2013-10-08 15:41

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This story is not bullshit, you just can't read. They didn't say they lost on purpose, only that they weren't going to go to china if they won.

2013-10-08 16:53

Still, they already made the decision no to go to china. That affects their coming game. It's obvious they were not playing 100% as they would have if getting to china meant the world to them.. butthurtfrenchieslol

2013-10-08 16:55

Ya.. because that's a nice thing to do. Win a qualifier and then say oh by the way we wasted your time and we aren't going.. that's very nice isn't it?

2013-10-08 16:01

Lmao. Pretty hilarious to even come out and say that. Even if it was true, shows a lack of respect.

2013-10-08 15:39

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2013-10-08 15:42

He answered "Not really" to "Did you consider going to Asia when you played VG in semi-finals?". He most likely meant that if they qualified, they would probably have considered forfeiting and therefore not taking the trip as it's too close to DHW. The question should've been "If you would have qualified for the main event in China, would you have gone?" EDIT : See Xizt's twitter post. "We would never throw a game. MSI orga knew beforehand we wouldn't attend the LAN Finals because of DHW too close. Still doesn't mean we would just throw a $5000 online tournament down the drain." This news article is kind of a dick move anyway...

2013-10-08 15:46

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Exactly. But, for VG, this would mean a tournament where they would be the favorites if they were to beat NiP, so I would guess they actually prepared more for this particular match than any other, compared to NiP doing their usual 5k online tournament prep. With that in mind, two teams that are as close as these two are (let's not kid ourself, VG has been close many many times), that difference in motivation should be enough to merit a VG win without considering NiP throwing in the towel. Besides, it seemed like several of the NiP players had an off day that day, which is deemed to happen every once in a while. Usually they pull of a win anyway, but against VG with this difference in motivation they shouldn't really stand a chance if the players aren't on top of their game.

2013-10-08 15:53

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I don't agree. Guessing the teams' tournament preparation is irrelevant. VeryGames and NiP are in the same boat here... Dreamhack Winter is worth, potentially, 100K$ so VeryGames have just as many reasons to throw away the game as NiP in this case... Which we can speculate as much as we want it doesn't matter. Besides, NiP were on a bad streak coming into this game.

2013-10-08 16:01

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True. I don't fully agree with you but I understand your reasoning. As you stated, NiP were on a bad streak and winning over VG is never a given.

2013-10-08 17:36

maybe next time answer before the question comes or just accept that opposite team played better

2013-10-08 15:44

Ridiculous article. Nothing in it but props to HLTV slowing becoming the Daily Mail of eSports.

2013-10-08 15:45

I like how they have an excuse or a reason for every match they lose. lel

2013-10-08 15:45

Reading comprehension FTW. Fifflaren didn't say they didn't try to win, he said they didn't consider going to Asia IF THEY HAD WON IT. WTF is wrong with this site

2013-10-08 15:46

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This man understands

2013-10-08 15:49

+12337

2013-10-08 15:59

Many things man, maaaaany things

2013-10-08 23:34

read most of the comments, finally someone who isn't stupid and fell for this shitty journalistic bait.

2013-10-09 04:48

ANY TOP PLAYER WOULDNT EVEN SAY THAT !! dont be stupid LOL They have respect for each others lol

2013-10-08 15:46

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You mean that the fifflaren is a fake ? That would explain the whole thing

2013-10-08 15:49

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I do think so,l but im not sure though.

2013-10-08 15:52

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Well it is him actually, i'm sorry :D

2013-10-08 15:54

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OK so :D but its stupid by him to say that ,

2013-10-08 15:56

i hope VG will destroy mip in the finals on DHW, they deserve it

2013-10-08 15:48

Fiff said this cuz of the French drama (?) imgur.com/7x6lgrK

2013-10-08 15:49

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?? Clearly this is the thing which started the drama you imbecile

2013-10-08 16:08

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i noticed it late , i thought they meant that vg fanboys were talking about the win and went 'VG TOP 1' style.

2013-10-08 16:20

I liked fiff a lot but i don't anymore. Why disrespect a team? They could have just withdrawn from the tournament. They lose a match and starts showing excuse. Nice going.

2013-10-08 15:49

*grabs popcorn*

2013-10-08 15:50

"Ninjas in Pyjamas AWPer Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson has suggested that his team did not take the MSI Beat It! match against VeryGames seriously." No he didn't (facepalm)

2013-10-08 15:50

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This is so true too... leave it to HLTV and mainly lurrpis to take things out of proportions...

2013-10-08 16:27

i think people are missundersting the issue. NiP didn't want to go, but they still wanted to win the 3000euro prize from the qualifier, + it's good serious prac in tournament conditions. They did not lose on purpose. There is no disrespect to other teams, if they won and didnt go, the invite would trickle down like it always does.

2013-10-08 15:51

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I believe the same as you but some says that is could have been kinda disrespectful to take the money and throw away the invitation to the "real" tournament. Plus Could this afflect NiP image ? Refusing to go to tournament of this size or so and after bein invitated ? I can't tell about the management decision in NiP but if they were focusing hard on the DHW this loses could suit them no ? That's why ppl thought of this scenario... I actualy believe this is some crazy fantasy (enough to have many ppl believing it) but I'm curious to know if there could have had repercutions/cost for NiP if they would have won the tournament and turn their back.

2013-10-08 16:00

Agree with what gomez is saying. The question was if NiP considered going to asia. Fiff's reply was 'no'. However the HLTV article is stating it as "NiP did not prepare for this match properly" because "the team did not want go to China".

2013-10-08 16:10

Maybe then u should teach your writers to write it corectly. And not trying to clean it up after your guys wrote it.

2013-10-08 16:19

Imo there is a real disrespect towards the guys behind MSI Beat It if they take money and don't go to the finals. It's like Hey i take your money, but i don't want to go to your shit tournament i have a bigger one to wins! In my world life is not working like that :)

2013-10-08 16:27

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I agree, but if the case were them throwing the game it would have been equaly disrespectful. If they were to drop out, they might have been banned from the next tournament that MSI hosts, but throwing a game to not risk a ban would mean they took the cowards way out and basically said "Hey, we won't admit that we didn't want to go to your tournament's final, but we sure would like to come back next year when it's more convenient for us." It was the cowards way out and really disrespectful to VG if it had been the case. Shame we will never know for sure.

2013-10-08 16:53

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kind of agree with this, we won't ever know for sure. But i think, the question had to be asked.

2013-10-08 17:12

The guys behind msi beat it knew about NiP not going there if they won, but let them play anyway, so how is it disrespectful?

2013-10-08 16:58

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I'd like to answer this as i think your point is decent but not 100% valid. Unfortunatly my english skills aren't enough good, and i don't want it to be 100% clear so i won't answer !

2013-10-08 17:17

2013-10-08 17:46

Oh... HERE WE GO! (2nd edition, Vakarm started the potato-chip drama 2 days ago)

2013-10-08 15:51

seems like an excuse tbh instead of going to a GLOBAL tournament and spread the NiP brand they decided not to try hard because its 1 week before another tournament

2013-10-08 15:52

Stay classy HLTV, oh wait..

2013-10-08 15:53

Stupid move of NiP, they should have just surrenderd...

2013-10-08 15:53

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Swedes just don't surrender.

2013-10-08 17:39

hltv logic

2013-10-08 15:53

It doesn't show any lack of respect. He's not saying they lost the match against VG on purpose, he's saying that they weren't gonna go to China even if they did beat VG. Which makes a lot of sense, seeing as the MSI tournament has way less money for them to win. The fact that hltv makes it look like he said something completely different doesn't mean that hltv is right.

2013-10-08 15:55

stop being drama queens plz.. fiff have said in this ama also that he respects a lot VG - ho wouldnt piss their victory like that ..

2013-10-08 15:57

More extra motivation for VeryGames now, if they win in Shangai & then Deamhack GG

2013-10-08 15:57

They could just win the tournament and then reject their China spot.

2013-10-08 16:00

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but that actually looks much worse than it does now...

2013-10-08 16:28

after getting raped, they said "we didn't play serioulsy, it was on purpose", so easy move tbh

2013-10-08 16:00

Maybe its a mental game. think VG read this and think oh shit we didnt do it when they were trying and the weight that was lifted when they won slightly came back and the spec of doubt in VG's head could be a game changer. If it was went could be effective

2013-10-08 16:01

Such a "smart" desicion. How could he say this even if this is the truth. It is not professionally. If you didn't want to go to the tournament why you played then? And after that he declares that they played in half of their power. Such a shame on NiP.

2013-10-08 16:02

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Shame on you, The ppl behind msi beat it knew that NiP were not going there but let them play The tournament anyway, and I guess they played for the money from The NiP vs VG game.

2013-10-08 17:00

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Sorry m8, but it doesn't look like as the truth. Can you explain me why shame on me ? lol

2013-10-09 13:27

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Well believe it or not, MSI Beat It was told by NiP that they were not going to be there in the finals and they had no problem about it. They played their best and didn't even reach the spot to China. Shame on you.

2013-10-09 13:53

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If they didn't want to go there why they played? Maybe they should have given that slot to other team which wanted to go there? And you still can't answer on my question, really sad.

2013-10-09 15:44

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You're just retarded. They played for the money obviously. They didn't even make it so some other team got to go, and if they would have have won vs VG and then declined, VG would have gotten that spot to China instead, so whats your problem? And yes, I answered your question.

2013-10-09 15:53

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I didn't insult you. About Fifflaren. He said on cadred that they really tried to win this match cadred.org/News/Article/201426/ That means that our dispute is pointless.

2013-10-09 16:15

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Exactly, that was what I was trying to say but you just don't get it. I was right.

2013-10-09 17:20

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I did get it, but i didn't see an official anounce

2013-10-09 18:20

the only disrespect here is from the hltv and vakarm admins who are misinterpreting information and spreading it as the truth. Stay classy guys! NiP are true professionals and would never do something like that. I also feel sorry for VG seeing as now hltv has printed this bullshit as gospel, all of its devout morons will hold this against them. It's funny how cadred.org hasn't tried to discredit VGs win.

2013-10-08 16:02

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I agree with this, but at the same time it would make some sense putting one of the largest prize pool LANs for CSGO before MSI.

2013-10-08 16:07

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Wasn't DHW announced first? So MSI should have chosen better dates... I might be mistake here though.

2013-10-08 16:29

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The huge prize pool for the DHW was announced AFTER the MSI.

2013-10-08 16:31

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The prize pool was.. But what about the event?

2013-10-08 16:44

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No idea. The first news about the DHW2013 on HLTV is the one with the PP announcement and the date ( hltv.org/news/11436-first-details-for-dr.. ) But I assume the exact date could be found before on the DHW website and btw this event is always around the same dates...

2013-10-08 17:08

I'm actually not 100% sure, I'm just trying to keep the peace :D. I doubt NiP would have thrown the game bit silly, and i believe fiff has already tweeted saying that this news post has been twisted a little?

2013-10-08 16:32

cadred.org/News/Article/201422/ They are just slow.

2013-10-08 18:17

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LOL embarrassing

2013-10-08 18:20

verygames also did not take nip serious the matches before

2013-10-08 16:04

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yhy, especially on the battles for the first place on some of the tournaments ?.............

2013-10-08 16:09

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wow you must be really stupid if you dont get it

2013-10-08 21:13

excuses

2013-10-08 16:04

I really don't think it was an excuse I think VG just needs to beat them on LAN:)

2013-10-08 16:05

retarded headline

2013-10-08 16:05

>Ninjas in Pyjamas AWPer >AWPer >Fifflaren I lol'd so hard

2013-10-08 16:05

nip just lost. get right always want to win :) and he hates losing

2013-10-08 16:06

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he just state that they wouldn't go to china, not that the didn't try to win.

2013-10-08 16:07

it was easy for verygames... If nip loose into the dreamhack vs verygames gonna be fun ;)

2013-10-08 16:06

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No dude because they didn't really wanna win that either probably:D

2013-10-08 16:13

Delete this post, it's misreporting. From Xizt's twitter: Richard Landström ‏@OfficialXizt 33m We would never throw a game. MSI orga knew beforehand we wouldn't attend the LAN Finals because of DHW too close. @HLTVorg (1/2) Richard Landström ‏@OfficialXizt 32m Still doesn't mean we would just throw a $5000 online tournament down the drain. @HLTVorg (2/2)

2013-10-08 16:06

just hate CSGO

2013-10-08 16:08

Watching the game i had the idea that NiP werent performing even close to what they are capable of, dunno if it was the mindset or it was just a bad day, regardless of VG playing very well obviously. With this being said, i dont think NiP "threw" the game intentionally, they could had the wrong mindset and not trying too hard, but still it isnt the same as throwing a game. VG won and deserved to win, rest doesnt matter.

2013-10-08 16:10

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At this skill level, the difference between not playing seriously and loosing deliberately is quite small. Or do you really think the gap between VG and NiP is so huge that NiP hoped to win vs VG without paying to much attention to this match ?

2013-10-08 16:21

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NiP just didn't play at their full potential, that's all.

2013-10-08 17:45

The gap isnt huge thats for sure, but its still there as small as it is currently. Of course NiP didnt or will never win vs VG without paying to much attention, thats stupid to think. It just felt NiP didnt played at their full potential, you can perfectly see it in their game if you pay attention, not talking about bad aiming or anything, just plain movement/tacts.

2013-10-08 18:01

Why post this bullshit. VG played an amazing game and beat NiP fair and square.

2013-10-08 16:10

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agree 100% :)

2013-10-08 17:11

NBK- Je pense que c'est une des première fois où VaKarM.net doit se justifier de sortir une news. Assez triste :') Wonder what it means.

2013-10-08 16:19

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This means something like "I think this is one of the first time VaKarM have to justify themselves for publishing a news. Quite sad"

2013-10-08 16:23

LOL

2013-10-08 16:21

I don't like NiP, I dont want them to win, but obviously it was on propouse. And I would do the same if I had in 5 days "the biggest" cs:go tournament at the moment. NiP did correct thing. Same as golden5, or other pro teams lost matches to go 2nd in groups for not facing stronger enemies, NiP did the same thing but looking for the future event. I lose because I have bigger chances to win my real goal.

2013-10-08 16:24

Omgat everyone knows that nip is best team in world and Verygames is nop team, omgat trust me they are nops!!

2013-10-08 16:24

Misleading title

2013-10-08 16:31

fiff > vg

2013-10-08 16:33

LoL at VG fanboys

2013-10-08 16:35

We all know it's true, but I would like to see VG smashing them on a real match. But it was clear that NiP wasn't even trying hard.

2013-10-08 16:36

MSI beat it gives good money too, but DHW gives big bucks tbh if they split in 5 the winnings NiP players might get 20K each!!! and only from 1 tour. I would have done the same thing

2013-10-08 16:40

boohoo

2013-10-08 16:45

Disrespect to NiP fans, they should feel ashamed of themselves. You play for the emblem, organization whatever. It's not normal to lose games for whatever reason, you always have to play your best. It's the same in football. If Chelsea have an important Champions League game, they will bring on their 2nd squad, lose against Sunderland and win that "important" CL game, if they win it of course. Those 3 points can be costly at the end of the season. But I mean, there are things you can and can't compare in this situation. Obviously you would choose 250k $ over 20k$ or whatever the amount is for the MSI tournament. Karma, psychologically etc, just because they threw this game, next time they meet against VG, they can lose, but I dont't really care though. All I'm saying, you could play every game 100%, because you thousands of fans and you don't want to dissapoint them, which NiP did.

2013-10-08 16:48

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you fucking retard :)

2013-10-08 17:10

"Disrespect to NiP fans" lol

2013-10-08 17:46

the worst player saying that omg...

2013-10-08 16:50

The reading comprehension of the avg. HLTV user is apparently fucking abysmal.. it does explain a lot though.

2013-10-08 16:50

Look at their twitter, read the true story.

2013-10-08 16:51

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Sounds like a pathetic excuse...

2013-10-08 16:59

Idiots....he means IF YOU WOULD WIN WOULD YOU GO TO ASIA..........and fiff said : not really..... *infinite facepalm*

2013-10-08 16:54

Of course he says they lost on purpose. VG finally broke their mental barrier versus NIP. They could've won numerous times already, the only thing holding them back was that barrier. ' By saying this Fifflaren obviously tries to rebuild VG's mental barrier, giving them the idea that they didn't win because they were better, but simply because NIP let them.

2013-10-08 17:02

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f*ck yeah. this is clever! psychological games

2013-10-09 15:57

very newspost worthy

2013-10-08 17:03

who cares its online

2013-10-08 17:04

lol at all the butthurt vg fanboys NiP didn't throw the game, BUT it's OBVIOUS that hey didn't play 100%. It was clear for many who watched the game

2013-10-08 17:06

just change the whole topic

2013-10-08 17:16

First off he didn't ever say they threw the match, all he said was they didn't consider going to asia and we now know why. For thoose of you who don't know they spoke to MSI about it and told them they would not attend due to DHW beeing right after which basicly means that if they had won the entire thing online they still wouldn't have gone to asia. Second, this is a perfect example of grasping at straws there is no hard evidence of the game beeing thrown its all speculations and all it does is creata drama in the community thats no good. Third, grow up learn to read what is actually beeing said and for christ sake don't trust everything you read on the internet.

2013-10-08 17:20

soo that was before nip vs vg?

2013-10-08 17:22

GG HLTV intentionally damaging Nip's reputation. VERY PROFESSIONAL

2013-10-08 17:22

Jesus, i don't know whats worse... the fact that HLTV twist words or that the HLTV community get outraged by it ! This is what was actually meant on reddit.. for those people that can't read properly. Question - "Was going to china actually possible ?" Answer - "Not really, its too close to DHW" Nowhere did fliff say they didn't take the match seriously... why would they not take £5000 seriously ? lol even if they won they didn't have to go to china. Idiot news poster.

2013-10-08 17:35

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it's only to make people talk, he's probably happy now that people are fighting about his declarations

2013-10-08 17:38

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Aye, this MIRAAA guy is clearly a bit of a twat.

2013-10-08 17:40

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He's clearly more than a bit of a twat

2013-10-11 01:03

I totally agree with you.

2013-10-08 17:52

I would love to see Verygames taking the MSI Beat It and the Dreamhack Winter.. With "less" preparation

2013-10-08 17:35

MIRAAA in need of attention? or what? We can all read this stuff on reddit. but yea go ahead and make stupid news posts.. Whats next? Someone makes a post somehwere on a forum, and HLTV is gonna make up news on that story? haha so rofl

2013-10-08 17:39

So many morons jumping at a hate mongering article, and you are the guys that complain about Richard Lewis doing his articles of relative bullshit. He never said they gave away the win, or didn't play properly, he said they weren't going to the LAN finals, regardless of the outcome and if was anyone but fifflaren that said it, this sol tort wouldn't have come about...

2013-10-08 17:43

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Theres a diference in writing editorials which are btw backed up by hard facts and taking a statement and twisting in a way wich wasnt meant to be.

2013-10-08 17:47

It's pretty obvious that if NiP actually cared, they would have beat VG.

2013-10-08 17:44

Did anyone actually notice how MIRAA wrote 'Jönköping' correct this time? There's still hope for the å ä/æ ö/ø letters! This made my day warm here in cold land, thank you MIRAA.

2013-10-08 17:54

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Nobody gave a f except you, nerd.

2013-10-09 22:40

u_u stop believing VaKarM, they say anything

2013-10-08 18:05

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stop being a moron and think they had to read vakarm to write this -_-

2013-10-08 19:41

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You must be new here, miraa doesn't even link his source. They do that quite a lot.

2013-10-09 10:43

id love to see VG raping them 2-0 in lan after reading this

2013-10-08 18:06

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:D:D:D:D:D

2013-10-11 01:04

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my crystal ball never lies

2013-10-11 19:29

inb4 frenchies start blaming on no pracc time when NiP beats VG at DHW.

2013-10-08 18:08

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stop saying bullshit?

2013-10-09 12:12

Oh boohoo! If you are good you should go into tournaments to win it and not say stuff like "oh we saving tactics", because if this continues then screw them big tournaments... I want to see teams playing 100% + cs wont get anywhere if more teams start doing it. Lower tournaments will be shit.

2013-10-08 18:43

What better prep than acctually playing against best teams for money what kind of logic is this .... -.-

2013-10-08 20:08

excuses

2013-10-08 20:10

I knew it, the only way the sourcers could win was if nips throwed the game, it was so obvious all along. so sad for VG fans though hehehe one day they will beat them maybe in a match nip WANTS to win

2013-10-08 20:11

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