ESWC overhauls overtime rules

17-10-2013 12:09

ESWC have decided to remove overtimes altogether from first two maps in best-of-three series, and change overtime into CGS style single around after one set in a deciding map.

In a post titled "CS:GO BO3 update for a better experience" on ESWC.com, the French organizers have announced a complete revamp of the existing overtime rule system in Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.

The ESWC regulations committee cited the unpredictability of matches lenghts as the main reason for this change, as multiple overtimes can often cause issues in schedules that are packed too tight.

As opposed to the usual maxrounds three or five ruleset with overtimes being played out until a winner is found, ESWC will no longer host overtimes in the opening two maps of each series.

A tie could determine ESWC 2013 championship

That means draws will be possible in the opening two maps, and you can win a series simply by tying one map, and winning the other. The only way an overtime is played is if a series goes into a third map with teams tied.

Even on the third map the overtime will however be different, as only a single maxrounds five overtime will be played before the entire match will be decided in a CGS style single round.

ESWC 2013 is set to begin on Thursday, October 31st at Paris Games Week with the grand ifnal scheduled for Sunday, November 3rd. According to the post, ESWC will remain open to community feedback.

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2013-10-17 12:11

11 replies

NiP vs VG CGS style, cant wait ^^

2013-10-17 13:32

thats actually pretty stupid. like mentioned below, if you win first map and tie the second, you already won, although the opponent could still win the third map and tie the whole game again ... thats retarded. i think a pretty good solution would be: knife round before each map. whoever wins can choose side both on beginning of the match and in overtime. overtime mr1 ... would make the knife round even more important, saves time and is at least fair!

2013-10-17 16:23

So Map 1 (Team 1) 16-13 (Team 2) Map 2 (Team 1) 15-11 (Team 2) The game is already over at this point?? Really dull imo Overtimes really make the game enjoyable. It's the best part as a spectator. Just not really that interesting without. True overtimes cause delays but..... No overtimes no views !!

2013-10-17 16:58

8 replies

Agreed mate, this is such a shit rule change, what were the idiots thinking.

2013-10-17 18:56

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2013-10-17 22:57

+1, thats why it should be no overtime only on 1st map.

2013-10-18 12:33

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2013-10-21 03:01

10k or 16k lol

2013-10-17 12:15

1 reply

cgs was mr12 w/ 16k starting... ot rules were pistol rounds

2013-10-17 16:48

thats actually pretty awesome

2013-10-17 12:15

5 replies

Yeah u win 16-0 first map and second 15-14 and u already won. That's fucking stupid.

2013-10-17 17:35

4 replies

y u heff t b mad mby this will fix all delays between matches and we can actually see first organised event.

2013-10-17 18:39

3 replies

No. 98% of the delays are not due to overtimes.

2013-10-17 19:04

I'd rather watch unorganized tournament then see stupid matches.

2013-10-17 20:41

Better have intense matches going to multiple overtimes than a tournament that strictly follows its schedule by not allowing long and tough battles

2013-10-17 22:59

dumbest thing ive ever heard but what u can u expect from eswc lol

2013-10-17 12:15

13 replies

Eh they went from a high tier tournament to a mid tier tournament anyways. And of course, like typical self promoters, they find themselves short on time because of packing in stupid ceremonies and pointless shit.

2013-10-17 12:34

stfu fat berg-er overtime rules are sick

2013-10-17 15:14

10 replies

So if you played in a bo3, your team lost the first map and on the second map you go into overtime, win the overtime and the upcoming map and have an awesome comeback victory to win the tournament, JK LOL YOU CANT BECUASE TIE IN SECOND MATCH MENT YOU LOST

2013-10-17 15:45

9 replies

in bo3 you cant tie on 2nd map :P i mean the overtime rules are awesome, after 5 overtimes CGS deathround comes out!

2013-10-17 15:49

8 replies

you sir are retarded

2013-10-17 16:18

1 reply

2013-10-17 16:25

do u even understand the rules? it seems not, if 1 team loses first map 16-14 and then second map draws the team that won the first map wins the whole series which is fucking retarded

2013-10-17 16:47

5 replies

he's greek, man

2013-10-17 16:52

3 replies

"he's greek, man" @hodgy: "hahahah look at me berg, im so funny, im trollermaster! please add me on steam!"

2013-10-17 17:07

2 replies

calm down, you got sand in your vagina

2013-10-17 18:28

1 reply

LOL

2013-10-17 19:24

i dont agree 100% with whole rules! read #160 *i mean the overtime rules are awesome, after 5 overtimes CGS deathround comes out!* its something new after CGS#2005 a round to win its awesome..ok not fair enough for competitive but i like it ;D

2013-10-17 17:05

2013-10-17 19:40

good changes? i dont think so

2013-10-17 12:16

2 replies

Nice troll newbie.

2013-10-17 17:34

1 reply

akita comin for you

2013-10-17 20:26

interesting

2013-10-17 12:16

Honestly, not a fan at all of this system. It's true that OT can cause some delays, but there should be no tie during the bracket, that's just taking away a lot out of the show, resulting in less suspense and less fun in my opinion. Also, the standard OT system is what makes the matches more "bloody" in the sense that there is no room for "tie" or "draw", you just can't go to the next map until a victor is decided. I really liked this kind of thing.

2013-10-17 12:22

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2013-10-17 23:01

How is this any good for viewers in fact it's even worse for the players. Are people just in a habit of writing positive things for every headline they read? This is the silliest thing I've come across in a while.

2013-10-17 12:22

They justified it well. There's actually no need to find map winners on a BO3, only the series winner. And they get to control scheduling at maximum. Just didn't understand the only overtime max 5 rounds. That means the teams won't change sides on the overtime?

2013-10-17 12:22

16 replies

no it's a classic overtime on mr5 then only one round

2013-10-17 12:24

classic mr5 if they end up 5-5 then single round whoever wins get the whole series.

2013-10-17 13:01

4 replies

But a single round doesn't make any sense as there are ct- and t-sided maps, right?

2013-10-17 13:39

3 replies

not only that, single round sounds too random

2013-10-17 15:40

1 reply

Horrendous idea.

2013-10-17 15:41

the cgs pistol round is very exciting

2013-10-22 16:13

yes there is a need because it's bo3 not bo1 in group stages, the winner of a map should be clear, i mean how is it normal to win a final with a tie and 1map won? it's like telling dota2 players that whatever team has most kills/gold/exp by minute 35 has won the game. no need to have a winner right? one of the most retarded things i ever seen.

2013-10-17 13:05

9 replies

Well, I understand all that, I DO prefer the classic BO3 style with no ties... but... i'm thinking on a pure schedule logic, and that's... OK. If 1st map is a TIE and 2nd map TEAM X wins, TEAM X won 1 map versus TEAM Y won 0 maps. They won more maps, they were "better". Again, of course we are talking on a straight logic, CS:GO is not purely like this, the classic method IS accurate, this one isn't as much as accurate, but ESWC has a lot of tournaments running on, they need to garantee that the schedule is going to be tight, and this is a method.

2013-10-17 13:32

8 replies

i see no logic how one team wins BO3 with 1 win and 1 draw...BO3 = best of 3...from 1 win and 1 draw, the other team could win the 3rd map and its 1-1 in maps and a draw...no logic here

2013-10-17 14:02

5 replies

Well, yeah, but with that argument, a BO3 could also not be accurate, if a team is winning by 1-2 and can still lose 3-2 with 5 maps.

2013-10-17 15:18

2 replies

Just no

2013-10-17 16:22

well if they can play 5 maps then thats BO5 and not BO3? :D

2013-10-17 18:51

Chess players have been playing with this logic for a long time, mate :)

2013-10-17 15:49

1 reply

how is chess played? bo3?

2013-10-17 18:54

I'm not saying I disagree with you totally, but this change is like 8 years too late the community is pretty accustomed to staying up/waiting through delays (not that anyone enjoys it) but they are taking away a big excitement factor by not having a team that won a majority of the rounds win the game a tie is like kissing your sister, still sucks

2013-10-17 16:57

1 reply

its not like the viewers are waiting for the next match as long as there is an overtime goin on in another match, at least i would watch the overtime. if anyone is waiting it would be the players.

2013-10-18 16:10

So its bo3 in playoffs only or groups too?

2013-10-17 12:23

Not good changes at all. I understand the schedule problems in some events, but OTs are fun to watch and I think that's most important thing here. Everytime you should think viewers first. And winning only one map to advance doesn't sound clever (well that team obviously didn't lose a map though, but anyway my opinion - This idea gets three buzzes.

2013-10-17 12:28

do i understand correctly? every team will play ot only on one side ?

2013-10-17 12:32

8 replies

Nope. They will play a normal OT with maxrounds 5, and then one round will determine who wins :)

2013-10-17 12:49

7 replies

and how to choose a side for that one round?

2013-10-17 13:03

6 replies

They'd best be playing knives for the last round. Sound fair?

2013-10-17 13:17

5 replies

Horrendous idea, though. That's almost the same as deciding who wins the game by just that knife round. For example, when you're playing nuke and you get to be CT for the final round, you'll have a really high chance of winning the game.

2013-10-17 13:41

4 replies

No. The chance is the same for both sides if we just knifing around. I don't see any advantage for CT. I don't say it is the best solution. But at least I think this is the fairest solution in the new ESWC rules.

2013-10-17 13:59

3 replies

The chance of winning the knife round is equal for both teams. But what I was sayin was, that the team that wins the knife round, almost automatically wins the final round as well. (As it's only one final round, and the winners of the knife round will definitely choose CT on nuke)

2013-10-17 14:01

2 replies

I think we have a misunderstanding here. The knife round isn't for choosing side :) According to the new Rules (and my understanding), the OT will have maximum of 6 win rounds --> 1 normal MR5 + 1 last round. The last round I said is the BOLD one above. So yes, the last round = the deciding round = knife round.

2013-10-17 14:15

1 reply

Oh! I thought the knife round will decide who will take which side for the deciding final round. My bad.

2013-10-17 14:36

Nobody wants to watch 2 boring draws before the final map. They want intense overtimes, where one round can constantly make the difference between win and loss.

2013-10-17 12:34

This is retarded... Overtimes are what makes games memorable and extra intense. The matches that are remembered as the best matches are always those two great teams playing those close maps and the casters going crazy from the intensity.

2013-10-17 12:34

1 reply

+1 Couldn't agree more

2013-10-17 13:07

What is sopposed to mean "a CGS style single round" ? (CGS = Championship Gaming Series?)

2013-10-17 12:40

6 replies

i suppose i should have elaborated a little more on that - it means you only play one round and the winner of that round wins the match.

2013-10-17 12:41

5 replies

Thx

2013-10-17 12:52

its not fair. CT side on train is way more preferable.

2013-10-17 13:04

3 replies

it's a terrible rule, but clearly eswc didn't take notes of how it turned out in cgs

2013-10-17 13:16

2 replies

So I take that it didn't work well for CGS either? What a surprise.

2013-10-17 13:42

1 reply

no one liked it then, and i assume no one will like it now

2013-10-17 14:32

Does Dota/LoL games have overtimes?

2013-10-17 12:43

11 replies

are you retarded? cause you seem to be. how can you ask that question if you (apparently) never played/saw a tournament of those? anyway it's a shit and unfair move from eswc. bo3 decided by TIE, screw you.

2013-10-17 12:57

5 replies

? I have no idea why you raged at me, but my point was, is cs getting the shit end of the stick as usual, in that ESWC takes away overtimes due to scheduling to accommodate any potential overtimes in the more popular games like Dota

2013-10-17 12:58

3 replies

because you made it sound like "if dota2/lol do not have overtimes why should cs?" if you really didn't know ignore my post:)

2013-10-17 13:08

1 reply

it was your fault! but thank you... yous guys make me laugh so hard XD

2013-10-17 15:38

It's impossible to have an overtime in LoL or DotA, the game ends when the other teams base is destroyed, there are no draws.

2013-10-17 18:26

of course it is legit to ask that when he didn't watch anything regarding the game before. Otherwise he wouldn't ask, lol.

2013-10-17 16:30

Afaik Dota and LoL games can't tie.

2013-10-17 13:06

2 replies

ok thanks

2013-10-17 13:06

1 reply

You're welcome.

2013-10-17 13:12

no overtime, but a game can end within 10-15mins, or last as long as 90mins +

2013-10-17 18:03

1 reply

inb4 eswc forcing teams to teamfight at 30 minutes in order to determine a winner if the game isn't over by then

2013-10-17 19:05

LAME

2013-10-17 12:43

TOO BAD

2013-10-17 12:44

dunno what to think about it but it is understandable from an organization that needs to respect deadlines and schedule remember last year the 1st match of the grand final between VG and NiP wasn't played on the main stage because of some cosplay shit or something like this !

2013-10-17 12:48

8 replies

that's only because the organization does a poor job at scheduling the matches.

2013-10-17 12:56

7 replies

I fail to see what an org can do when a match lasts more than 120 rounds. Lock a 3hrs30 stage slot and tell other games/communities to fo ? :)

2013-10-17 12:59

6 replies

yes. if you can't guarantee enough stage time, don't schedule every grand final to take place on the stage.

2013-10-17 13:00

5 replies

But how do you define 'enough' when match duration is virtually infinite ? Also, many big titles in esports nowadays, many of them deserve to be on stage. In a nutshell, this is no 2007.

2013-10-17 13:04

4 replies

if you can't work around it then take cs off the stage, or at the very least don't pretend like this is a "better experience" for spectators or players.

2013-10-17 13:16

3 replies

happy to have that discussion offline anytime.

2013-10-17 13:21

1 reply

i left you a message on skype as soon as i saw the news :D.

2013-10-17 13:34

lurppis has a point here, maybe there's "to much" on stage. And cleary this IS NOT the best for the spectator, a big part of the tournament and the whole "stage match" thing...

2013-10-17 13:36

I Like OTs, so this will be weird. But it's their decision and if we can see less delays from this then it might be worth it, but I doubt it.

2013-10-17 12:47

LOL

2013-10-17 12:48

I just contacted ESWC to express my feelings about this bullshit. I strongly suggest anyone who shares my opinion (#8) to do the same.

2013-10-17 12:48

This is so stupid

2013-10-17 12:57

this is NOT cool tnx eswc there happends cool shit in overtimes Pressure measurement !

2013-10-17 12:59

this is cool, not.....

2013-10-17 13:02

This is shit! period

2013-10-17 13:04

imagine SLTV VII NiP vs AD dd2 without OT :)

2013-10-17 13:05

i like overtimes, so dislike this changes....

2013-10-17 13:06

Don't like it. Sucks for the viewers, sucks for the teams, the only "winner" is the organisation for being able to stay on schedule. ggwp ESWC.

2013-10-17 13:08

Sounds stupid to me. When thinking back at all those CS tournaments I've watched in the past 10ish years, I sure have seen a lot of delays, but comparing those delays caused a match having an overtime and those delays caused by everything else, I think most get a pretty clear picture that overtimes isn't the big issue in delays.

2013-10-17 13:12

In short, they will play OT in BO3 if: A. 1 lose, 1 win OR B. 2 ties. And in OT, play normal mr5 (+1 round if needed) Right?

2013-10-17 13:14

1 reply

A. 1 lose, 1 win, draw at third map > OT OR B. 3 ties > OT

2013-10-17 15:57

I assume that there is a mistake in the original news. As I fail to understand how a team can win BO3 if they tie 1st map and win 2nd. I assume that its missing that you can win the map by being tied in 2 maps and winning one. As if the 1st map would be a tie, 2nd map won by Team A, Team B by winning the 3rd map would make the series a tie.

2013-10-17 13:18

8 replies

If the 1st map is a tie, whoever win the 2nd map will be the winners.

2013-10-17 13:23

6 replies

but its best of 3. look at it like this OLD method: 1st map: Team A wins 2nd map: Team A wins = no need for third map 2 maps against one. Team B can't win this anymore. BEST OF THREE like it says. ------- NEW method: 1st map: draw 2nd map: team A wins it is now suggested that the match ends here with team A having: 1 draw and 1 win, even though if team B won the 3rd map, it would be a draw and an overtime (1 map point and a draw for each) 3rd map: team B wins = it would be a DRAW (it WILL NOT be BEST OF 3 anymore when THIRD MAP IS NOT PLAYED even if it would affect the outcome of a possible third map draw and overtime. just trying to put this so that u understand it's not BO3 anymore since the third and decisive map isn't played even if it should considering the name BEST OF THREE. This can't be right. ESWC PLZ And the one round system after overtime, what about on maps where terrorists win ~20% of the rounds since the maps are ct favored (de_nuke, de_train). The team playing on CT obviously has a crucial edge, don't you think? This idea is flawed and destined to fail and not suitable for competitive play, in a major tournament like this anyway.

2013-10-17 14:29

5 replies

Let's think of the one round overtime in soccer: The other team gets to be the one guy kicking the easy penalty kick, while the other team only gets to be the goalkeeper. Not fair.

2013-10-17 14:31

2 replies

You mean the last round in OT? Then see my #53

2013-10-17 14:40

1 reply

obviously even knife round is better (but not spectator friendly by any means)

2013-10-17 14:42

Yeah, I guess we should change the name to BO3_eswc_edition. The whole new rules are just for decreasing the time of playing (which can cause delay), so their schedule won't be broken bad. :P

2013-10-17 14:36

1 reply

id just go with Bo2 :p edit: or like #72 said - "Bo1-and-half" :D

2013-10-17 18:20

thats actually a really good point. if you think about it logically this ruling really should have the potential to make a BO3 series LONGER rather than shorter.. whether its done logically is a different matter though

2013-10-17 14:10

So 15-15 situation on nuke, both teams make miracles on t side happen and it comes to 20-20. Even when both teams are playing that good on nuke T side, I would be crying if our team would be T side and only one round deciding if we're gonna lose or win..

2013-10-17 13:22

4 replies

sides for deciding round are decided with a knife round.

2013-10-17 13:28

3 replies

But still, I think knife round is so random at the best.

2013-10-17 13:29

so basecally instead of playing a round on every side (2 rounds) they play a kniferound and a normal round(2 rounds aswell if i´m not mistaken...) that has to be the dumbest thing i've ever heared.

2013-10-17 13:41

The pros should start playing 35hp instead of dm, aim etc

2013-10-17 13:50

bad decision :(

2013-10-17 13:32

"you can win a series simply by tying one map, and winning the other." So if you win the first map, you then only need 15 rounds to secure the tie in the second, and thus win the series?

2013-10-17 13:34

3 replies

yes.

2013-10-17 13:36

2 replies

Haha. So in theory you could win the series in 1 and a half maps. How very retarded.

2013-10-17 13:38

1 reply

I think orgs sacrifice this minimal chance of great comeback from losing first map and being 0-15 on the second map just to make things happen in time. But if it is delays with all that shit rules, it will be big fail event.

2013-10-17 13:50

nice idea...

2013-10-17 13:43

Heheheheh eswc, what a joke

2013-10-17 13:47

shitty change... Takes a lot of the action and excitement out of the games :/

2013-10-17 13:48

Bad call

2013-10-17 13:53

jumping on board with the "this is retarded" sentiment. just cant wrap my head around a team winning a bo3 with a tie and 1 win. in my opinion, thats best of two.

2013-10-17 13:53

Wow - very disappointed by this.... If this rule was in effect for ESWC 2012, it would have completely negated what was one hell of a Grand Finals in the women's tournament. We lost the first map in the bo3 16-7 to the ladies of ALTERNATE. In the second map, we (UBINITED) were down 9-15 at one point to ALTERNATE and won the next 6 rounds to push the match into overtime - by 2012 (aka NORMAL Counter-Strike/eSports tournament) rules. If this was in 2013, the match would have been over. Grand Finals victory goes to the team with 1 map win, and 1 tie. That 2nd map then went into double overtime before we able to survive to see another map. In the 3rd map, we were again down - this time by a 2-13 score....then down 10-15 but pushed the match into double overtime to eventually win the grand finals. 2013 rules would put us in a "sudden death" style of double OT, which I'm shocked ESWC didn't take note that this did NOT work at CGS. And to think... if this was 2013, it would have all been over at that first 15-15.

2013-10-17 13:55

4 replies

couldnt agree more, so stupid by ESWC org..

2013-10-17 14:21

Last year, the women's 5+ hour final caused the men to play their finals in the group stage area which is probably a driver behind this disappointing rule change However, this year ESWC moved the women's final to Saturday, men's on Sunday - so over-scheduling the stage should be less of a problem I'd imagine without having to modify the rulebook (granted there are a number of other tournaments I understand)

2013-10-17 14:33

it would be over even early, when you were 9-15

2013-10-17 14:41

2013-10-17 18:05

ESWC failed to find something suitable, or at least original. I will try myself: If there's a tie in a map, instead of overtime, we do a bo3 kniferound with HE/Flash/tazer allowed. Best would be in a special map, such as a gladiator arena. It adds originality, fun and even tactical elements with nades. + it's still better than to leave it as a tie.

2013-10-17 13:55

3 replies

Are you part of the ESWC management?

2013-10-17 14:01

1 reply

no i'm not

2013-10-17 14:20

this is original.and definitely looks fun. but competitively acceptable? i think not

2013-10-17 14:37

Lol, the most exciting rounds are played in overtime.. Lets hope the rest of the tournaments doesn't follow this move :|

2013-10-17 14:13

3 replies

for once i agree with you +1

2013-10-17 14:50

We have no intentions to use this format.

2013-10-17 15:45

You wish the last round would be scout only don't you

2013-10-17 19:07

Ahah Ohoh ESWC France poor management again.

2013-10-17 14:18

1) this is BO2 with added map if its draw in BO2 2) one round decider...well done, probably the biggest OT was like 30mins in the history...we are eswc, if the match is scheduled for 10:00, players can become ready (without any pc problems) at 10:15, no punishment. hope u get what i mean 3) get serious, u want to be professional, then start thinking

2013-10-17 14:19

wtf...this is so stupid...bb to amazing comebacks :(

2013-10-17 14:21

cogu: worst tournament ever

2013-10-17 14:27

1 reply

2013-10-17 15:00

stupid logic.

2013-10-17 14:27

CGS style? Someone explain please? :)

2013-10-17 14:27

2 replies

ctrl + f "cgs" ...

2013-10-17 14:33

1 reply

On phone, can't do that. Couldn't you just explain?

2013-10-17 21:08

This is a really stupid idea,cs is getting less and less interesting,no wonder people dont watch it like before.

2013-10-17 14:28

Like there're not going to be any delays? Cool story.

2013-10-17 14:33

imagine, if new rules is gonna happen and still we have hours delays, what a fail event it will be!

2013-10-17 14:36

You don't want scheduling issues? Give a default map win to any team who is not ready in 10 minutes.Both teams are not ready? Have breaks of just 120 seconds between maps.No exceptions. Period.Done.Fixed. But noo..they have to take the most exciting part of any game away. Tourneys will be heavily lesss entertaining if this becomes a thing.Bad move ESWC.Very bad move..

2013-10-17 14:45

4 replies

You realize that the problem is about the OT ? You haven't fixed anything.

2013-10-17 15:14

1 reply

most of the schedule issues are not caused by OT's. That was my point.Fix other issues,have a B plan about matches on main stage ready,anything is better than putting fate of a match and teams to one round,or having ties on bo3 matches..

2013-10-17 15:17

Exactly. Instead of dealing with the root of the problem, they make brute shortcuts that kill the show element of the game.

2013-10-17 15:22

That's why we need a governing body. This would fix all delays.

2013-10-17 15:49

reactionary, uncomprehensive and poorly-weighted decision made by people who do not care about CS.

2013-10-17 14:51

4 replies

You really don't know what you say...

2013-10-17 14:57

3 replies

Read the topic, perhaps? The comments of people echoing displeasure at the most exciting part taken away from the show? Or are you refering to the part about "people who do not care about CS"? Because, you see, if people who made this "decision" DO care about CS, they are, quite simply, idiots.

2013-10-17 15:01

2 replies

Run your event and we will see what you do...

2013-10-17 15:39

1 reply

You work for ESWC? I'm sure there are better ways to prevent huge schedule issues; 1. Give every player an SSD so he can just plug it in when he plays and doesen't have to set up his config repeatedly (Like the ESL does). 2. Strictly limit the pauses inbetween matches and maps being played (defloss if players exceed that time limit) 3. Or if you really want to change the game rules then think of something else, like maybe mr10/mr12 and normal bo3. I think it wouldn't change the viewers experience dramatically and it doesen't take away the excitement of overtimes. But it will for sure shorten the average duration of a bo3 match.

2013-10-17 16:47

the most enterteining time is during overime and they change it ...

2013-10-17 14:54

Shitty rule. I dont think that overtime happened so often...I think there will be scheduling problem this way too..

2013-10-17 15:02

Why are they killing the game with this nonsense. Watching two team duel out in overtime is so much more exciting than plain simple one side victory. And fans would stay extra time to finish watching it. Maybe try to fix your schedule instead this stupid idea.

2013-10-17 15:09

This system i think promotes a fair fight. You mostly see a team that looses in double or triple overtime they tend to struggle on the next map with the momentum being on the opposite side.

2013-10-17 15:10

6 replies

"You mostly see a team that looses in double or triple overtime they tend to struggle on the next map with the momentum being on the opposite side." True, but... how is that not fair? In what way? Those who deal with their morale and "momentum" better - have an advantage. I fail to see anything unfair in this. Nevermind the fact that the team who were able to tie the previous map by your logic will also have an "unfair" advantage on the next map over the team that has lost a chance to win.

2013-10-17 15:19

5 replies

Considering a bo3 as a single match like a football or a basketball game, the logical thing to do would be to have the overtime at the very end.

2013-10-17 15:20

4 replies

Well, right now the overtime will be at the very end, but it is almost impossible to reach. You will need three ties for it. That's.. kind of hard to achieve. And even then, that overtime, the decider of such a tight game, will be just one round with the side (very important!) decided by silly knife round... *EDIT* errr, not three ties, rather a tie at the third map. Doesn't change much, though.

2013-10-17 15:35

2 replies

For the overtime to happen in third map, from my understanding - either both teams have tie two maps in a row, or both teams win a single map each leaading into the third map.

2013-10-17 15:35

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yeah, I edited already. Still, I'd call a one-round decider OT kind of anticlimatic, to say the least.

2013-10-17 15:36

but the cs scoring system is more like tennis than football. you cant draw a set in tennis so you play a tie breaker for every set.

2013-10-17 15:40

this is a bad decission

2013-10-17 15:15

fallen thinks it's more tactical this way :)

2013-10-17 15:24

1 reply

fallen is n00b

2013-10-17 15:32

eswc has sucked for years now

2013-10-17 15:30

1 reply

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2013-10-17 15:36

Shitty rules -> less viewers -> less money -> csgo deaded = ggwp

2013-10-17 15:37

I do believe the ESWC staff made this decision very cautiously and I understand why it seems like a great answer to schedule's management issues. With this being said, ESWC still remains an event centered around producing a good show, and taking OT away takes of lot of the fun away. Fighting for a tie is not interesting and does not reward nor the players or the viewers. I can't imagine sitting in front of the main stage (or at home) watching two teams tying two times in a row...

2013-10-17 15:38

its like penalties :D

2013-10-17 15:40

This is so fucking bad. Clueless staff. Overtimes is why I watch CS:GO sometimes.

2013-10-17 15:47

Might as well flip a coin if you tie on 15-15... wow seems like we are going backwards in tournament organisation.

2013-10-17 15:48

3 replies

2013-10-17 17:28

haha yeah...

2013-10-17 18:36

well said sir!

2013-10-20 22:08

worst thing ever.

2013-10-17 15:56

cool. not.

2013-10-17 16:07

Can't agree with this. 1. In every sporting event based on several games in a series (e.g. NHL playoffs) the individual of the series games go to overtime in case of a tie after full-time. 2. This happens because sports and esports are fundamentally there for the entertainment of the spectator and not for the convenience of the players/organisers. 3. Overtimes are probably one of the most entertaining times of a CS:GO game for a spectator, when the game is decided definitively and stakes are the very highest. 4. No one wants to watch two teams battle through a really close game only for it to finish a draw without a winner. tl;dr overtimes are boring for spectators and amounts to the organisers selling out their viewers' entertainment for their own convenience

2013-10-17 16:12

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eh can think of a pretty big sport that has a multiple game format for its playoff system where a team can win one match and then draw the other and go through as the winner of the tie overall.

2013-10-17 17:05

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I assume you're referring to football, which isn't really comparable in this case, because it's a totally different format to the bo3 usually seen in esports. If only two games are played, you have to find a way for draws to work (since forcing a team to win twice would effectively amount to a bo3 anyway), but the whole point of having a bo3 is that you need to win twice to go through. Which this new rule change shits all over.

2013-10-17 17:12

very well said sir

2013-10-20 22:09

they should do it a little bit like football. Like penalty's. If it is a tie (15-15). Every teams sends out a player for a 1v1. No bomb plants, no AWP, no grenades or flashbangs, just a rifle and fight it out on a specific area (like knife rounds). Winner of the 1v1 gets a point. There are only 5 players on each team so the score can never be a tie again. It should take max. 5 mins to end this.

2013-10-17 16:18

thats actually pretty stupid. like mentioned, if you win first map and tie the second, you already won, although the opponent could still win the third map and tie the whole game again ... thats retarded. i think a pretty good solution would be: knife round before each map. whoever wins can choose side both on beginning of the match and in overtime. overtime mr1 ... would make the knife round even more important, saves time and is at least fair!

2013-10-17 16:29

3 replies

what is not fair in getting a win on 1st map and a tie on 2nd?

2013-10-17 17:06

2 replies

de_dust2: my team 16:14 your team de_mirage: my team 15:14 your team i win. what you dont know because not played: de_train: my team 0:16 your team i win, i advance to next round. pretty fair huh? :) got it now, lukas from ukraine. or need some more education first?

2013-10-17 18:49

1 reply

you are pretty stupid :)

2013-10-17 19:14

does this actually means that in Team A vs Team B bo3 if Team A wins 1st map and ties 2nd map then Team A wins and Team B loose without playing 3rd map?

2013-10-17 16:35

4 replies

exactly :/

2013-10-17 16:38

2 replies

looooool, shitty rules.

2013-10-17 17:00

dafaQ? better make it bo1 then

2013-10-17 17:01

prob

2013-10-17 20:24

LURPPIS DO ANOTHER PODCAST

2013-10-17 16:36

Quality over quantity.

2013-10-17 16:40

It's pretty bad ...............

2013-10-17 16:41

As always 1 tournament being good and then messing it up by adding/doing shit. My god this is fucking RETARDED.

2013-10-17 16:53

i dont like it, nothing is more exciting than a OT in a final

2013-10-17 16:53

Might as well just play aim_ak_colt as OT :)

2013-10-17 17:01

i think this rule is bad for the viewers And the players. Most exciting matches are the ones that goes into Overtime. and on top of all, it has a huge effect on momentum.. Boooo eswc

2013-10-17 17:05

sick

2013-10-17 17:07

I guess ESWC are pretty sure they won't have delays because of PC crashes and DDOS.

2013-10-17 17:11

Hope no other tournaments follow this rule set it's pretty shitty, matches going into multiple overtimes is the most exciting thing about cs :s

2013-10-17 17:12

If there will be delays even after THIS I will blame ESWC for the rest of my life. If not, I may be happier since it is good adition for spectators, but not for players/casters. It might be lose-lose situation after the tournament

2013-10-17 17:21

What about the team that has killed the more chicken wins ? Removing the OT is a bad move. The CGS single round style is the worst possible move.

2013-10-17 17:23

Oh good God

2013-10-17 17:24

So a team can win dust2 16 - 14 for the first map, and then on nuke in the second map, win CT side 13 - 2, and then win the pistol round and SMG round to take them to 15 - 2, and then all of a sudden, that is game over. No come back, no fight, no exciting prospect of a team winning from a heavy position of being out. I'd dread to think what would have happened to NiP/AD match at Starladder if they had these rules. It is unbelievably stupid, and this coming from someone who has adminned CS for the last 6 or 7 years and understand that delays happen. You plan a schedule that is rigid enough to cope with OT. Poor move, poor decisions.

2013-10-17 17:30

5 replies

+1.1

2013-10-17 17:33

so fucking true... who the fuck decided that.

2013-10-17 17:35

Very odd rules indeed ;D

2013-10-17 18:35

2 replies

I bid you good luck with these rules Weber :P

2013-10-17 18:46

1 reply

need to get out of the groups first :D

2013-10-17 18:48

Coin flip at draw incoming.

2013-10-17 17:31

this is pathetic. overtimes are rarely the reason for delays.

2013-10-17 17:44

This is just stupid..

2013-10-17 17:57

French events are always the best.

2013-10-17 18:29

Absolurely stupid descision from eswc organizers, no excuse.

2013-10-17 18:31

noob move by eswc

2013-10-17 18:41

Well atleast we now know which event to look forward to. Definately not ESWC

2013-10-17 18:43

Jesus christ. This is fuckin stupid

2013-10-17 18:57

This is so stupid. The good thing would be, in case of 1-1 and 15-15 on the 3rd map, to play one decisive round.

2013-10-17 19:16

ESWC at it's finest!

2013-10-17 19:19

I need to think more about the general idea of only running overtime in the third map. That I could conceivably support. But a single-round decider is unimaginably stupid. You could understand the need for it at CGS because they had such a rigid broadcast structure, but there's absolutely no reason to do this at ESWC.

2013-10-17 19:33

French Frogs...

2013-10-17 20:03

What is this rule?! ESWC thinks they're being creative and insightful. They are not. God, what a fucking terrible rule.

2013-10-17 20:37

Well I'm not sure if I like the changes, but loads of ppl criticise the new rules, while in football, this happens all the time. You win your home game, you only need to tie the away game. Looking from a further perspective, if my team lost the first map, things are getting even more intense, because my opponents now need only 15 rounds. So less ecos, more risk. I guess we just need to get used to it :) Anyways, I really liked the bo3 overtimes, that could last forever :p

2013-10-17 20:42

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Well guess what, in football they play bo2, not bo3. I hope you don't need further explanation.

2013-10-18 12:02

This gonna make tight game boring. Well done ESWC ! I don't know if I'll look at this event now...

2013-10-17 20:57

just coin flip if its 15-15. Will be so intense

2013-10-17 21:37

1 reply

lol right

2013-10-18 00:34

stupidass rule...

2013-10-17 22:13

This is ridiculous

2013-10-17 22:51

ROFL what is this shit? Someone from ex-CGS works for ESWC now?

2013-10-17 23:16

Fck this shiiid. OTs are so important... Im sure that everyone rememeber fnatic vs AGAiN... When players are playing OT you can see their real mentality. Players with weak mentality cant handle OT´s pressure and they will break. Only the strongest will survive.

2013-10-17 23:57

I don't agree with that single round bs but if they wanted to eliminate multiple ot's why wouldn't they just use mr5 and CGS single round OT for each map instead of only the 3rd map? So stupid.

2013-10-18 00:31

this sucks...

2013-10-18 00:50

dumbitches

2013-10-18 01:51

wtf

2013-10-18 04:15

"with the grand ifnal scheduled" final*

2013-10-18 08:43

They think they're funny or what? ESWC is mad. Coin toss for the win cause no issues and 15 min world championship.

2013-10-18 10:12

i'm pretty sure there are more viable options to reduce the delay at a lan event than this... next time ask some player for help before you ruin your (soon to be ex-)precious cs tournament :/ rip eswc

2013-10-18 12:23

This is bad. Overtime should be on 2nd and 3rd map not only on last.

2013-10-18 12:32

I just want people to imagine this scenario. VeryGames vs NiP VeryGames wins the first map in an epic 16-14 match. We are in the second map and VG only needs to win 15 rounds. They go up 11-4 in the first half and VG wins pistol in the second half to go up 14-4. Then NiP begins the most epic comeback to make it 15-14. VG wins the last round to make it 15-15. Therefore canceling any chance of OT, map 3, or an interesting long grand finals. Bad format.

2013-10-18 17:51

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This is a really effective counter-example.

2013-10-19 18:14