de_tuscan almost done?

21-1-2014 03:09

CEVO has tweeted a screenshot of what appears to be a final version of de_tuscan for CS:GO.

Colin "Brute" Volrath, the original creator of de_tuscan, has been working on porting the map to CS:GO since October 2012, but for several months now there there have not been any updates on developing process.

That has led to a sense of disbelief in the CS:GO community, which culminated with a new version of the map, called de_toscan, being released by Michiel "SpheXion" Vervaart and Frank "SPiNM" Brouwer, two community members, last month.

Albeit buggy, de_toscan has been praised by players, but no tournament organiser has so far talked about adding this map to their pool.

Last night, CEVO, who developed the original de_tuscan together with Volrath, posted screenshots on Twitter and Facebook that suggest that their own CS:GO version of the map is almost ready.

What do you think about the news? Will de_tuscan be added to the map pools of the big tournaments?

Finally!

2014-01-21 03:11

1 reply

Is this meteorite on B?

2014-01-21 10:24

is this tuscan?

2014-01-21 03:11

3 replies

Looks better for me

2014-01-21 03:16

1 reply

mb mb

2014-01-21 03:18

Where's the helicopter?

2014-01-21 07:53

finaly

2014-01-21 03:10

Haaahaha omg ,they are releasing tuscan now, after they promised at the end of July ?

2014-01-21 03:12

22 replies

Better late then never i guess

2014-01-21 03:19

15 replies

Imo its better tuscan which is made by those 2 guys which is already released :)

2014-01-21 03:19

14 replies

How can you judge? You haven't seen that one, I suppose.

2014-01-21 10:14

13 replies

de_tuscan_csgo_fixes old good one, this one is fullfilled with bullshit as usually.

2014-01-21 10:58

11 replies

Being honest I like the fact that Valve are making the maps that look nicer, I've started to get bored of looking at the same style of texture maps for 5 years...

2014-01-21 11:58

5 replies

Well, if you stopped looking at the map and focused more on the people on it. You mightve gotten a few more kills!

2014-01-21 12:40

1 reply

touché

2014-01-21 16:56

Thats the main problem in CS games. People are separated on casual and competitive players. That's why Valve need to implement and custom old maps for the sake of competitive side of scene. Not sure how that costs them so they dont want to do that.

2014-01-21 16:15

2 replies

ye, competitive MM and casual MM with different maps i never understood why developers dont allow/implement stuff like that.

2014-01-21 18:14

1 reply

i dont think that is what he mean with "People are separated on casual and competitive players. That's why Valve need to implement and custom old maps for the sake of competitive side of scene."

2014-01-21 21:42

Agreed mate, why can't they just replicate the old one, they always manage to fuck it up. Look how much unneeded shit there is to look at instead of nice smooth textures with no shit on the ground.

2014-01-21 14:08

4 replies

we cant live in the past forever. no sponsors will come forward for a game that has literally nothing to test their hardware and no sponsors = no big prize tournaments. fact

2014-01-21 16:53

3 replies

as if cs:go was a hardware-testing game :D upgrade from wooden to stone PC doesnt really give big $$

2014-01-21 18:15

2 replies

for spectators it is a much better looking game for having all of the 'shit' in the maps than plain maps like de_mirage_ce .. it isnt the most graphically intense game no. but it does better for sponsors seeing the detailed maps on high settings at the commentators pov

2014-01-22 02:56

1 reply

maybe im too old and used to gams like q3 and ut99+1.6 :D

2014-01-22 18:46

Im not judging mate,just sayin' :)

2014-01-21 16:42

they are not releasing it, wait. last time brute also said that it's 'almost done', since then more than a half a year passed, so... i guess they will release it in 2-3 months, not sooner.

2014-01-21 04:28

3 replies

You mean more than 18 months don't you?

2014-01-21 14:01

2 replies

this was the first time he said 'its almost done' :D

2014-01-21 15:14

1 reply

this is true, as hard as it is to believe, life does get in the way of work sometimes, i know the cs community doesn't understand that, but it's true.

2014-01-22 12:59

cspromod was promised sept 2012 so tuscan delay doesnt seem that bad

2014-01-21 07:14

1 reply

you sure? more like 2007 brah ;D

2014-01-21 09:28

Lol toscun sure got his a into g

2014-01-21 03:13

I hope so tuscan will be addded , that was awesome map in 1.6 & source too.

2014-01-21 03:13

soon ;)

2014-01-21 03:17

3 replies

2014-01-21 03:23

i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/00..

2014-01-21 11:22

Valve Time™

2014-01-21 12:58

Screenshots...so Tuscan will be out in another 3 years then?

2014-01-21 03:19

1 reply

Don't be negative... It will come in July ;D

2014-01-21 17:47

mill was always better imo

2014-01-21 03:24

5 replies

Mill was shit

2014-01-21 04:26

4 replies

Right on, mill was the shit! Tuscan belongs in the trash.

2014-01-21 05:15

3 replies

the ESEA version of csgo mill sucks tho :|

2014-01-21 06:47

old 1.6 mill > csgo mill imo. Stupid new entrance into b fucked mill up imo

2014-01-21 11:01

tuscan was the better competitive map.

2014-01-21 13:24

cool map

2014-01-21 03:26

ugly as hell!

2014-01-21 03:26

cooooooooooooooooooooooooool

2014-01-21 03:26

ugly

2014-01-21 03:30

old version >>>>>>>>>

2014-01-21 03:31

1 reply

2014-01-21 08:07

Would make the perfect 7 map pool

2014-01-21 03:32

9 replies

i was thinking the same! dust2 inferno nuke mirage tuscan cache train *season is awesome too but the problem is the tournaments map pool diferences! ESEA play on old mirage and train_ve but the other tournaments not

2014-01-21 03:36

8 replies

ESEA has best map pool, other tournaments (Valve) need to conform.

2014-01-21 05:17

1 reply

train_ve doesn't work well in go , ct sided maps from 1.6 are much more ct sided in go , experience confirms it, ask any top team if they prefer train_ve or valve's current train and they will most likely say valve's current

2014-02-14 08:11

Remove train, and come with a brand NEW map and we have something exciting. Train should be put in the trash.

2014-01-21 05:24

4 replies

de_train on 1.6 was one of the most spectacular map of the game... VOLVO need to make a version between de_train and de_train_ve.

2014-01-21 07:38

3 replies

de_inferno de_dust2 de_nuke de_cache de_season de_dust2 de_train de_mirage de_tuscan great!! no more inferno tournaments!

2014-01-21 07:50

its not because it was spectacular in 1.6 that it has to be in GO. Go aways with your bias already you are only holding the game back.

2014-01-21 14:33

1 reply

He wants the map to be adapted for better gameplay and balance, while you want to remove this legendary map and he's the one holding the game back?

2014-01-21 15:57

+aztec and dust1 :D, I love that maps :).

2014-01-21 08:51

Looks weird now, i think it will look better in-game

2014-01-21 03:35

imo way to many details, keep it simple :)

2014-01-21 03:35

5 replies

They must add clutter in order to get volvos attention. Look how Cache started and how it is now.

2014-01-21 04:57

3 replies

+1 Started perfect, added gay textures and clutter: Valve adds to matchmaking. LOL

2014-01-21 09:57

2 replies

Add clutter, add shiny textures, add -90fps. profit?!

2014-01-21 15:59

1 reply

They need to have something like lod in-game, but no with a to big advantage

2014-01-21 16:37

2014-01-21 08:07

Now the map pools can be complete ;) D2 Train Inferno Nuke Mirage Cache Tuscan ? Would love to see train and mirage worked further if we have to stick with valve's ones. Add this map to the next operation or toscan ;) Just think it's a fucking shame to start releasing screenshots when two community members made their own version of the map.

2014-01-21 03:35

3 replies

Valve will need to add a fuck ton of clutter & pointless moving props before it could ever be considered for MM or competitive play anyway.

2014-01-21 05:19

2 replies

yes, before I see 12 apachce gunships, 15 apcs, 100 carts and 1000 screaming chickens it wont be valve certified. edit: oh and there will have to be at least 3 different A++ aweasome competitive versions been released and refined in competitive tournaments that valve can completely ignore.

2014-01-22 08:05

1 reply

Then they will claim to listen to the community by updating the map & adding "Pretty flowers".

2014-01-22 09:54

Looks great, been looking forward to this!

2014-01-21 03:36

Looks good

2014-01-21 03:37

cevo just released their map rotations for season 4 and de_tuscan was not on that list. so im guessing that means the map is still several months away from a full complete release

2014-01-21 03:52

8 replies

we also have Inferno being listed twice in the regular season...cough cough

2014-01-21 03:53

7 replies

*I see what you did there* ;)

2014-01-21 04:00

you also tell me "next week" every week on twitch cough cough ;)

2014-01-21 04:16

2 replies

I always say "soon"

2014-01-21 04:23

1 reply

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2014-01-21 04:29

I wish people would use inferno_ce, like all valve maps... the original is sooo shit.

2014-01-21 05:20

2 replies

Ce is da best!

2014-01-21 08:52

Ce is really sick.

2014-01-21 12:57

Wow that actually looks better then the one named de_toscan

2014-01-21 04:05

Nice

2014-01-21 04:07

Looks very dirty... Can we have at least one clear map?

2014-01-21 04:12

5 replies

2014-01-21 08:06

We had one. It was called called Cache. Then it got updated with clutter and shit textures for Volvo approval, just like mirage. P.S. I almost forgot, there is one map. de_nuke. It was the worst map in the game for that until Volcano fixed it.

2014-01-22 09:59

3 replies

Nuke is still dark and unclear, despite all Volcano's efforts (which were actually great), the map needs new textures. I have no clue about cache, but the thing I can't understand is why Volovo makes shit maps only? Why do they have to update it? Why just not to let the community to decide... I fucking hate to stare at every wall and every corner, otherwise I just would not spot an enemy

2014-01-22 10:10

2 replies

perhaps you need to raise your ingame brightness? I've never had an issue spotting enemies on nuke, but then again my brightness is maxed :P.

2014-01-22 10:48

1 reply

my brightness is set on max value :( I was exaggerating of course, but It's still much much harder to spot enemies in csgo, than it was in 1.6

2014-01-22 11:57

I don't like the cluster fuck of bombsite b Ps I guess hearing pro talk positively about toscan made brute get of his ass.

2014-01-21 04:16

2 replies

Lol theres no clutter on b

2014-01-21 10:42

1 reply

see the last picture from that same angle. it's so fkn dirty and cluttered with shit, if you don't see it I can recommend a good optician :)

2014-01-21 11:33

make a cat on "cat" so I can call it cat again

2014-01-21 04:49

5 replies

When there's an actual cat on cat, you have to call it kitty... God where have you been?

2014-01-21 05:22

2 replies

Actually I used to call "Katze"

2014-01-21 06:41

1 reply

That's dumb.

2014-01-21 09:58

Wasn't that on cpl_mill? :D

2014-01-21 05:32

1 reply

yes

2014-01-21 06:42

toscan better

2014-01-21 05:03

2 replies

2014-01-21 08:06

2014-01-21 08:19

best map ever alongside with train. i probably never lost in both

2014-01-21 05:24

4 replies

low opponents :p

2014-01-21 05:32

1 reply

esea low opponents?

2014-01-21 17:15

THEN YOU WOKE UP

2014-01-21 16:29

"probably never won in either" fixed it for you :)

2014-01-21 19:10

again this map theme... Mirage d2 and now tuscan.. maybe we can have a map happening somewhere else than in North africa ?

2014-01-21 05:26

6 replies

at least its bright not claustrophobic like inferno

2014-01-21 05:45

If valve gives their mirage the ce textures or just add ce. I like valve mirage, but ce is way cooler

2014-01-21 08:54

3 replies

there is like exactly 0.000001% chance that this will happen

2014-01-21 10:41

2 replies

so you're saying there's a chance?

2014-01-22 12:48

1 reply

Dumb and dumber!:D

2014-01-22 13:05

doesn't look like north africa for me

2014-01-21 16:18

The 1.6\css versions both look cleaner. Sadly the knockoff de_toscan is more appealing to me.

2014-01-21 05:51

1 reply

2014-01-21 08:06

need more chickens!

2014-01-21 07:07

Why not release in this stage? They can easily update it through workshop. Maybe still fake photoshop pics?

2014-01-21 07:08

omfg -_-

2014-01-21 07:08

is this cbble? :))

2014-01-21 07:15

2 replies

de_dust3

2014-01-21 07:28

Looks like mirage o.O

2014-01-21 07:57

Now this tuscan looks far more better than the other crappy one

2014-01-21 07:30

2 replies

-1

2014-01-21 08:08

+1 ofc. Blind fanboys are clueless

2014-01-21 11:24

So, going by the screenshots, T spawn and the B (smaller) bombsite is ready. CT spawn and A bombsites are work-in-progress??

2014-01-21 07:52

3 replies

ji nai

2014-01-21 07:57

Probably, now only 2 more years before we can play it.

2014-01-21 08:00

1 reply

hahaha +

2014-01-21 08:47

omg de_tuscan is ruined. What happened to my sand-map. another CoD map enters the scene

2014-01-21 08:05

1 reply

Never played or seen cod....

2014-01-21 08:55

Regular pool: de_dust2 de_nuke de_inferno de_cache de_mirage de_train de_tuscan "IF" They also make an system for 1vs1 matchmaking, 2vs2 and so on they should add aim_ maps. aim_map2_go aim_map awp_india aim_redline

2014-01-21 08:13

I am waiting this. Wont say nothing about the map yet, looks different but I need to test it 1st

2014-01-21 08:22

This map is total shit ... better to play de_toscan

2014-01-21 08:28

de_tuscan_destroyed toscan was perfect already :/

2014-01-21 08:30

4 replies

2014-01-21 08:44

Yeah too bad it looked like it had been made by a retarded monkey

2014-01-21 11:24

2 replies

looked 10x better than this shit

2014-01-21 14:20

Go on fresh air a little.

2014-01-21 14:59

Toscan looks better :@

2014-01-21 08:36

De_toscan gogo!

2014-01-21 08:45

more then year between "almost ready" and "almost done" lol

2014-01-21 08:49

This map looks good but i hope they havent change the layout of the boxes etc like they did on mirage becaus that map is shit now

2014-01-21 08:54

WHY DO THEY DESTROY EVERY FUCKING MAP

2014-01-21 08:56

3 replies

2014-01-21 10:26

2014-01-21 16:08

they?

2014-01-22 12:49

WHY IS THIS EPIC MAP FULL OF SHIT LIKE FUCKING PICNIC TABLES ETC. GOD IM MAD.

2014-01-21 08:57

2 replies

2014-01-21 10:27

even new players dislike it after playing on the map for longer then 1 minute. Once you have bumped into 50 invisible objects and tripped over a hundred paint cans, the pretty objects and textures quickly grow old.

2014-01-22 08:07

+CAR +PLANE PLS

2014-01-21 09:24

Cache is by far best csgo map for me.

2014-01-21 09:28

de_inferno de_dust2 de_nuke/de_cache/de_mirage de_nuke/de_cache/de_mirage de_tuscan

2014-01-21 09:36

Looks nice

2014-01-21 09:36

i like the look, fits CS:GO ...let's see how it plays...

2014-01-21 09:47

de_toscan looks better, feels more like original de_tuscan in 1.6

2014-01-21 10:10

another map ruined, Great!

2014-01-21 10:10

again too much details...why valve why? make it simple and all will like it

2014-01-21 10:11

Looks really good

2014-01-21 10:18

thats good

2014-01-21 10:26

so he posted 3 screenshots of B bombsite and 1 screenshot of T spawn, whats with the rest of the map ? :D

2014-01-21 10:26

2 replies

soon ;)

2014-01-21 10:39

1 reply

so he needed 2 years for T spawn and B bombsite ? oh jesus, 2020 ?

2014-01-21 11:33

Operation Bravo 2

2014-01-21 10:38

only 1 more year now.

2014-01-21 10:40

looks pretty good, but the textures look like its gonna be really hard to see enemies imo.

2014-01-21 10:40

Im waiting for the final release. But dont fuck this up and make tuscan like inferno with 1 zillion tons of shit or change the core dynamics like mirage.

2014-01-21 10:50

where are the chickens

2014-01-21 10:50

1 reply

at inferno :p

2014-01-24 11:22

This can be anything but the tuscan.

2014-01-21 11:02

Looks good, finally!

2014-01-21 11:02

Well ! 2 years left !

2014-01-21 11:13

de_toscan looks beter imo

2014-01-21 11:18

Looks very nice.

2014-01-21 11:29

repairs on the map again

2014-01-21 11:29

The yellow brick/stone texture that they use is a bit off, it's not fitting the overall color scheme of the map, otherwise it looks cool just don't throw to much garbage...

2014-01-21 11:30

1 reply

+ 1000 that texture is so bad.

2014-01-21 14:37

dafuq that sucks

2014-01-21 11:30

Good maps: de_dust2 de_nuke de_inferno_ce de_train_ve de_tuscan/toscan de_chace de_mirage_ce not bad maps: de_inferno de_train de_season cmon rly? maps: de_mirage

2014-01-21 11:37

1 reply

de_inferno_ce sucks hard! and what is de_chace?

2014-01-21 14:34

I do see one major problem with tuscan, just like we are seeing with cache. Valve seems to have a grudge against maps that they didn't make in the way they don't add them to the map pool for MM right away. I guess we will really see when Bravo ends if cache goes into the official pool, but how long will we have to wait for tuscan to make the official pool ? Reason I say they need to add it to the MM pool is that they seem to only want their supported tournaments - the 250k Majors to have their official map pool. Now I'm a huge de_mirage hater, and prefer train_ve to the Valve one. But I just feel like Valve is forcing us to play their maps. And I actually would accept that IF they add cache and tuscan to the map pool. I'd love to see them do that and then I'd actually accept mirage and train valve edition, just because of the fact that we then at least have the alternates in cache and tuscan, maps I enjoy.

2014-01-21 11:44

looks horrible. people still fail to realize that it's not the fucking details that make the map good.

2014-01-21 11:55

omg finaly :)

2014-01-21 12:02

This is very bad de_tuscan, de_toscan amazing map

2014-01-21 12:02

de_toscan is way better than this de_tuscan. retarded valve sh1t ass faggots they never understand that we don't need useless shits in map such as meteorits jungle shit and all this useless stuff. WE WANT A SIMPLE MAP MOTHER FUCKING IDIOTS

2014-01-21 12:06

5 replies

Valve has no part in making this map you fucking retard

2014-01-22 02:48

4 replies

so who's making those maps ?

2014-01-22 08:58

3 replies

2014-01-22 09:57

2 replies

lol

2014-01-22 12:57

so why is he not making a simple map but a map filled with shits ? Who is asking for those useless shits on map ? Someone(valve) gives you the project to make de_tuscan , am i correct? I guess he isn't making the map just ..let's make another tuscan for cs. And i guess valve told him what to add and what not into map

2014-01-22 16:09

Seems cool and it weould be great to see tuscon on big stages. :)

2014-01-21 12:09

This version of tuscan looks so much better than toscan.

2014-01-21 12:12

volvo add fast this map!

2014-01-21 12:16

"no tournament organiser has so far talked about adding this map to their pool." u can play de_toscan actually on faceit.com they got de_toscan in mappool

2014-01-21 12:35

Imo this looks dope!

2014-01-21 12:40

wow, looks awesome x_X

2014-01-21 12:40

de_dust2 de_inferno de_nuke de_tuscan de_cache de_season New remake of de_mirage_ce plzZZZ New remake of train plzzzz

2014-01-21 12:54

shit

2014-01-21 12:59

I dont need this shitty detail de_toscan owns this map in every way so yeah nt valve

2014-01-21 13:06

Prefer de_toscan to be honest.

2014-01-21 13:19

If we are waiting VOLVO to make any movement, we can reach 2020!

2014-01-21 13:22

FUCK OFF VOLVOO DONT DESTROYYFKINN MAPSS LIKE U FKIN ALWAYS DO U CAN FKIN CHANGE TEXTURES BUT DONT CHANGE FUCKINGGG DEFAULT ANGLES FOR NEW ONES AND ADD USELESS FUCKING SHITT TABLE WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU

2014-01-21 13:31

Not enough chickens

2014-01-21 13:30

1 reply

haha !!!

2014-01-21 13:39

Maybe it will be reintroduced within a new map pack, now that operation bravo expires...?

2014-01-21 13:39

VOLVO please hurry up and improve mirage and train

2014-01-21 13:39

Just re-make de_forge.

2014-01-21 13:41

2 replies

it's on the todo list, don't worry :)

2014-01-22 12:56

1 reply

Great!

2014-01-22 13:00

When he_tennis_2014?

2014-01-21 13:42

Good for Valve bad for ~80% players.

2014-01-21 13:42

How to destroy good map "de_toscan" by valve

2014-01-21 13:44

1 reply

You do realize Valve is not involved in Tuscan at all?! Jeez

2014-01-21 14:24

lol at all the fucking morons who are saying valve is making this version of tuscan

2014-01-21 13:48

de_fps_none

2014-01-21 13:48

8 replies

de_buy_pc_DDDDDDD:

2014-01-21 14:16

5 replies

de_buy_brain

2014-01-21 16:51

3 replies

de_cry_no_fps

2014-01-21 18:11

2 replies

de_small_brain some people have to help his family or pay for college, not everyone can spend money on computers. use brain, tard

2014-01-21 18:34

1 reply

de_iam_joking_einstein

2014-01-21 22:25

it wont affect me at all

2014-01-21 17:39

Tuscan on source was the best map for FPS, I'm pretty sure it'll be the same on csgo

2014-01-21 14:21

1 reply

thats not really a good reason lol looking at all the clutter in just a few screenshots i cant see it being good for fps at all

2014-01-21 17:39

Add the map ^^

2014-01-21 13:49

Looks nice! I think all the details on maps belong to csgo. If you want simple maps, play 1.6, which btw looks quite shitty after playing csgo :D

2014-01-21 13:50

1 reply

stop being sarcastic, people will take you seriously :D

2014-01-21 16:19

better map than the ones before but still shit compared to previous cs versions. thats what csgo is all about

2014-01-21 14:04

if i look at the pictures i think toscan is better but lets wait until its finished :) (but the map looks "full" hope its not to much stuff on it)

2014-01-21 14:04

after seeing this I feel like de_toscan was actually pretty 'descent'...

2014-01-21 14:16

I really don't understand Valve in the matter of CSGO edited maps. The reason people didn't complain about the earliest core maps, was because they were quite similar to the ones from either 1.6 or CSS (inferno, dust2, mirage_ce and nuke), however, now it's more about looks than playability. The Valve mirage is not even close to mirage_ce in terms of competitiveness and general feel among players. Before Valve's launch mirage_ce was the most played map among teams, in gathers and mixes, so why on earth replace it with a version that has its focus on views and graphics rather than the players and competition (same goes with season). What has this have do to with tuscan? Well, there has been good "ports" from the CSS and 1.6 version of the map, why destroy one of many players favourite map, with a completely rubbish version.

2014-01-21 14:19

5 replies

Valve probably had their version of mirage in the works long before the _ce version was created and decided to carry on making it.

2014-01-21 14:29

2 replies

I seriously doubt that, since mirage was ported to CSGO from the 1.6 version, only weeks after the launch of CSGO. I think Valve saw an opportunity, to build upon the fame that the mirage_ce version had, in order to create something succesful themselves. To stand corrected, mirage_ce is the tweaked version of the original mirage, where bug has been fixed, but it's basicly the same map, so that's why I'm referring to mirage_ce being there from the beginning. We played mirage_ce in every qualifier in the fall of 2012, so I doubt that Valve was even considering doing their own version until later, when they saw it's popularity.

2014-01-21 16:33

Bullshit. mirage_ce exists since the Beta of GO and it's a straight port form the CSS version of mirage, just some textures and minor details changed. At that point, Valve didn't even know about the map mirage.

2014-01-21 18:46

2014-01-21 16:18

mirage is to mirage_ce what train is to train_ve and inferno to inferno_ce. People are just tools and play whatever Valve throws at them and Valve's is a fucking diva who want people to play their maps. I already explained this here, months ago: hltv.org/?pageid=135&userid=447423&blogi.. Valve's versions simply suck, but that was to expect from a company that wasn't able to create even one balanced map in the entire history of CS. With offering the prize-money for the tournaments Valve is now in charge of deciding what maps have to be played in competitions, not giving a fuck about what the competitive community actually wants or what maps actually work best for competitive CS.

2014-01-21 18:57

no, de_toscan looks better than this shit

2014-01-21 14:20

The amount of people who don't seem to understand this map isn't designed by Valve is just...wow.

2014-01-21 14:27

its already too late good bye

2014-01-21 14:28

de_toscan looks so much better.... They completely ruined tuscan

2014-01-21 14:31

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can you be more specific how I've ruined my own map? details always help the process than just general complaining.

2014-01-22 12:55

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The new texture looks much worse than the cs:s tuscan. It's doesn't feel unique anymore, it's like any normal map now, doesn't feel like tuscan. Too much details, should of just kept it simple, like remove all the new small hiding spaces which is unnecessary imo. Everything seems to be mashed together on the B-bombsite instead of being quite open compared to the cs:s version. I would like to see more open spaces. The reason many of us call this map shit is because many including me make too quick conclusions. Looks worse than the old version, its not unique anymore, hard to see enemies by the looks of it and its too much details which makes this to any other normal valve map...

2014-01-22 14:50

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noted. as for bombsite b, most of that is just visual and perspective filler. the boxes and layout is identical to the CS:S version. so any backalley stuff or trucks or whatever you see is pretty much just filler which will get blocked. as for the textures, i'm still working on new versions of alot of them, most have to be up'rez'd to match the new game.

2014-01-22 14:49

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I hope you read this, we're not here to just hate on your map or anything similar, it's the frustration of the csgo themed maps that is generally disturbing alot of us because of the unnecessary headache junk filled the place. I wish you would have kept it more like CS:S style where it's grass and sand based and not some museum place, I really wan't tuscan to be warm and simple instead of being filled with junk. Here is a simple picture of de_toscan version, this is what makes the map like-able. img0.pcgames.com.cn/pcgames/1312/12/3359.. We wan't a more simple map, please, for god sake. Mirage should be a better material inspiration for you: static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb201310142..

2014-01-26 10:00

Toscan the best please o:

2014-01-21 14:35

awesome

2014-01-21 14:55

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2014-01-24 11:25

I think this version is ok too. The same hate was about mirage and mirage_csgo but now i think that we all like VALVE's de_mirage. I hope that everyone will accept this map and version too,so we can finaly play some tuscan :D

2014-01-21 14:58

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"now i think that we all like VALVE's de_mirage." You are wrong, sir. That was the most played map in the competitive scene, now it's nothing.

2014-01-22 08:50

looks great, maybe it will be better than dd2 which in my opinion is terrible, especially with the fog............

2014-01-21 15:02

i miss cpl_mill :(

2014-01-21 15:03

Wauw, fucking ignorant forum seriously :D not all of you, but most.. People complaining about maps have a tendency not to be able to adapt and fit in on more strategical maps, and therefore they lose the "run around and face alot" feeling, However learning to think in new ways, and evolve your game play is way better, than to get stuck on 3-4 std. maps where you've milked all spots and routines and where it's all up to the aim and copycat tacs to succeed.. Fair enough if you don't like the design, that's a perspective in taste, and I was also first against it, although I must admit I enjoy the details graphics the care for the maps the developers are putting into this, as long as they keep working on the bugs they discover during the beta testing and listen to the community. If you miss 1.6 map design go back and play some fy_Iceworld and have fun with that. The only problem I see about adding more maps is the time to practice them all, most teams rarely get through 3 or 4 maps entirely, before splitting up, or getting stucked in another way. and therefore the advantage based on what maps the teams have pracced, will probably influence the match results to much, since people will have a "home/favorite" map. but that again is all about the commitment; "how bad do we want this", "what do we need as a team to succeed on this map", how much is people playing gather and whatsoever. Not replying to comments on my post, just think about it.

2014-01-21 15:21

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I get your point of view and I'm not sure if your comment was directed towards me. I just don't see the reason for porting and editing already playable competitive maps into some delusion of graphics>game play? First mirage, now tuscan.

2014-01-21 16:34

I totally agree with you. People are so stuck in their routines and some can't adapt to the new gameplay as well as new skills that are required with new map design. However I don't feel the same than you about the number of maps. I'm pretty positive all the pro's teams know every map and every possible tactic like their own two hands. Same goes for the viewer. I think something new (I'm not talking about tuscan here, I wish something really new would come) could be interesting for pro's teams as well as the viewer. I think it's a must. If too much maps is an issue however, I think the best way to handle this is to put the nostalgia aside and look the map pool and maybe realize some maps that have been around for a long time could be replaced with new maps. I'm thinking maybe about train and nuke for the simple reason that those two maps are sometimes mostly won from the pistol rounds and I don't think that's what we want especially in a final like Dreamhack. So any map that shouldn't be in the mappool in a tournament final shouldn't be there in the first place imo. cheers.

2014-01-22 10:57

it lacks those "dust" colors

2014-01-21 15:24

I sure hope so they release it asap

2014-01-21 15:27

We need chiken for protain and hellicopters for medical care and cars for a faster team transportation and big flowers so it wount smell like was dead people in there. Best regards.

2014-01-21 15:39

Why is GO such a sad cunt game? Tuscan is a fucking palm beach paradise, why do the colors have to be so washed out and pale and the textures so rundown? Not even a proper skybox.

2014-01-21 16:15

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skybox isn't in yet chief, dont' worry :)

2014-01-22 12:54

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Haha, just don't sell your map's soul to GO aesthetics. The 1.6 and Source versions both were as appealing aesthetically because of the bright colors and rich contrasts. Competitively speaking, I hope you kept the clean angles on the A site just like you seem to have on the B site. The wooden boxes are simple yet so great, seeing those replaced with the imperfection-ridden GO textures (cars, cardboard stacks, rocket containers lol) would hurt the map.

2014-01-22 17:28

gogo !!! =D

2014-01-21 16:19

This is so so disgusting ... That Graphick is so so totaly like new Mirage and new Mirage is a disaster too so - 10000 FU Valve.

2014-01-21 16:34

+1111 this is not cs map really omg this is just shit !!!! new mirage is shit and new tuscan toscan is much bettter valve go ... yourr mothers

2014-01-21 17:24

We are almost finished with it ourselves. And this is what they release after years of waiting? The B bombsite looks like a turt and they obviously are too afraid to preview A because its even worse. Just hand it over to valve so they can finish ruining it but atleast make it look nice.

2014-01-21 18:19

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I find it funny it took brute over a year to make this eyesore. I suggest you just rename de_toscon to something else and retexture\change the map a bit (similar to what he did with de_cpl_mill). A unique identity will make people take your map more seriously.

2014-01-21 22:22

or just make your own map? i'm flattered you put all of the time and effort into my original work, but in reality you wasted a lot of time and effort. "The B bombsite looks like a turt and they obviously are too afraid to preview A because its even worse. " - or it could be that it is still being worked on, so why release unfinished work to the public

2014-01-22 12:53

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Your work is a derivative of de_cpl_mill just like his is of de_tuscan. Just out of curiosity did you get permission from CPL and\or the original map maker of de_cpl_mill to create de_tuscan? Maybe you can provide some incite on the licensing agreement both maps are published under.

2014-01-22 17:32

dude you should really have a look at your crappy map, it's not even close to this one in terms of mapping skills. Some people here prefer yours over brute's because it's uglier and it reminds them of 1.6. You tried to steal someone's job (even tho I agree he acted like a douche for the past 2 years) by creating a mediocre copy, but that didn't work. Within 3 months, nobody will remember about your toscan, no need to update it even further

2014-01-22 16:12

bombspot A, stor A/B, Mid, Tunnels, Short, kitty, Long, ct spawn ??

2014-01-21 18:19

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they're coming? it's just teaser screens SPiNM so people are aware it's being made.

2014-01-22 12:51

HAHAHHAHA n1

2014-01-21 18:33

nice

2014-01-21 18:46

did they release more screenshots? because the last 3 screenshots are from the same spot...

2014-01-21 19:08

shit map.. i mean this fucking "volvo version" it is terrible.

2014-01-21 19:22

Looks like they destroyed it. But will have to see. Why always these boring ass colors? I get more color stimulation watching a black and white movie.

2014-01-21 20:20

YES YES YES!!

2014-01-21 20:37

I love de_mirage_ce ( or se or whatever ) . It is awesome and it feels like counter-strike . Valve`s version is shit to be honest . I loved Volcano`s version of de_train . And again Valve`s version is still shit . I like toscan ( but i feel like it has 1 or 2 problems , nothing that can`t be fixed ) , but probably i`ll end up playing this tuscan that pretty much looks like shit . I might be wrong, noone played it yet , and maybe the final version will be different . But i doubt it . Valve`s aztec is shit , and just by searching around i found a far better version called de_aztec_proper_rc . WAY BETTER ! Not a big fan of de_cache , but hell it's playable , it looks great , it feels right , and i can actually see my enemies . Valve's maps are just crap !

2014-01-21 20:58

we want it to MATCHMAKING!!! We want OLD DE_MIRAGE_CE to MATCHMAKING!!!

2014-01-21 21:14

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EXCLAMATIONMAAAAAAARK WAAAAAAARGHH @(*o*)@

2014-01-21 21:57

gj vavle

2014-01-21 21:49

want less materials 2 render ( o_o)

2014-01-21 21:53

where are the chickens valve?

2014-01-21 22:18

Looks cool!

2014-01-21 22:53

de_toscan>de_tuscan

2014-01-22 00:06

the first screen ..feel like iam on Vacation (:)

2014-01-22 04:51

So people complain for over a year that Tuscan hasn't been made, then when they see progress has been made they shit all over it without having actually played the map. Nice guys. Real nice.

2014-01-22 05:04

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this is true, helps me stay motivated to finish it -_-

2014-01-22 12:50

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Thanks for making an effort to finishing the map as soon as possible! CS just isn't the same without de_tuscan:D Looking forward to playing this magnificent map in the near future

2014-01-22 13:03

Personally I like how it looks. Peoples are judging it by few screenshots and I suppose you're somewhere half way. Keep doing it and dont listen to clueless peoples. Im looking forward to it as many others. Gl.

2014-01-24 11:34

Add this to Matchmaking!!

2014-01-22 07:04

So much idiots think this map is made by valve :D

2014-01-22 07:05

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brute is making the map but maybe under valves credentials? maybe for operation charlie or something

2014-01-22 10:29

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nope.

2014-01-22 12:49

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Can you give us a time when the map will finally come? Like 1-2 weeks or 1month or 6months?

2014-01-22 15:36

After cs go come out - The old cs move forward but not only game also maps are moved forward... accept new maps new valve concept or stop playing and flaming around about valve work. This message is addressed to all retards,

2014-01-22 12:06

@BrutesMaps Stop defending yourselve and just admit that you made a mistake when you decided to lie to the community. No one believes that this is the result of years/months work. I also dont understand CEVO for one bit. They are paying a guy that fails (failed) to deliver and obviously doesnt (didnt) give a shit for months if not years.

2014-01-22 16:21

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He's a fucking part time map maker that used to make maps in his spare time. He doesn't owe you, or anyone else in this community anything.

2014-01-22 16:20

Brute promised the map...that was no lie...was it delayed...yes. He does have a life outside of all of this, we should respect that even though a majority of you have no patience for it, no disrespect. I dont think you can even touch upon what CEVO knows, wants or infact is even doing. Keep in mind, you were the one that attempted to cash in on a map not even owned/created by you simply by porting the original and changing some textures... All in all Brute is working hard...and has been for a bit again now to get this map out there and perhaps...bring us Russka too?

2014-01-22 16:53

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Please elaborate on how SpheXion "attempted to cash in on" on de_tuscan. What license is de_tuscan published under? Did brute have permission to make a derivative of de_cpl_mill?

2014-01-22 19:08

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Attempted to gain proceeds (cash) by submitting the map to Valve for a future Operation dlc, without CEVO or Brutes consent to even create the map in the first place

2014-01-22 21:13

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What license is de_tuscan published under? Did brute have permission to make a derivative of de_cpl_mill?

2014-01-22 21:14

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If I can quote from an article I am writing about the history of Tuscan and how it came about - "given the task to develop a fresh map with loose connections to the CAL/CPL royalty owned Mill. The need for this was to expand the then crippled CEVO mappool without infringing on the rights of the competing company, yet balance/change the map to better fit the competitive community while keeping a familiarty with them and allow other events outside CAL/CPL control the use of the map" Ultimately it is protected under "intellectual copyright infringement" and the map was changed enough not to fall under this precedent for Mill. Feel free to read my complete article when it is published later this month.

2014-01-22 21:44

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You still didn't answer my question... Did brute have permission to create a derivative of de_cpl_mill since these maps are apparently protected under copyright? Just because he "feels" it doesn't infringe on de_cpl_mill copyrights and CPL hasn't taken legal action doesn't make it fall into fair use. I fail to see how this is any different than what SpheXion is doing. In my opinion CEVO is "attempting to cash in" on someone elses IP as well.

2014-01-22 23:16

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He didnt need too because Tuscan is not the same map...there is plenty of differences between the 2 to fall outside the copyright...these things were even discussed with lawyers who specialized in this field at the time of development

2014-01-22 23:36

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By that logic there's plenty of differences between de_tuscan and de_toscon as well. Other than the name I fail to see how there's any conflict of interest as he didn't decompile your de_tuscan map. Recap: your map is a derivative created without permission from the copyright holder of de_cpl_mill... if you don't like it create something new from the ground up... else shut up.

2014-01-23 00:33

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I dont know why you want to argue a fact that has been established for the better part of 8 years...read up on the laws, then get back to us thanks

2014-01-23 00:36

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Me and Frank never submitted anything to valve. As a matter of fact we only uploaded the map without puting it out on one single site other then the workshop of steam. We basicly never promoted it anywhere or to anyone (but the playtesters) at all. The people that found out it was there, just found it to be promising. After we noticed the popularity we put some work into the feedback we received. A random hltv guy created a topic about this map. One week later MIRAA created a post on the topic. 80% of the feedback was, add this map valve. So we consulted valve about rights and found out that we needed brute's and cevo's approval. A minute after we knew that, we asked you guys for it. Don't give me shit about cashing in or striking with the fame. Get your facts right.

2014-01-23 20:58

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"So we consulted valve about rights and found out that we needed brute's and cevo's approval. A minute after we knew that, we asked you guys for it."

2014-01-24 01:54

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so basically had valve said yes to you without considering CEVO and myself you'd have said yes in a second. good job doing the lawful and honorable thing by consulting the owners first.......er second that is

2014-01-24 09:13

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We made this map for ourselves. We just wanted to be able to mix and gather on it. Once it got to the crowd's attention we explored the possibilities. You cant blame us for making the map without your permission, since we never needed it in the first place.

2014-01-26 16:42

Oh, come on. I myself never complained about tuscan not getting finished, not only because I don't care as much about GO, but also since I do understand that it might not have been one of Brute's high-priority projects. But giving out publishing dates obviously pulled out of thin air, not saying a single word about the status of the project for months (seriously, how busy can he be?) and then suddenly coming out with screenshots of the unfinished product shortly after someone finally decided to make his own variant of the map - that's just being disrespectful towards the community he wants to now "cash in" on. This has nothing to do with patience; he should have just been straightforward about 1. whether he will ever attempt to finish the map and 2. whether he permits the attempts of other map designers to replicate his map. Not that I would think it is somehow Brute's obligation to inform people about the map's state, let alone finish it, but I'd consider it common decency to not let people in the unknown for more than a year.

2014-01-23 19:27

Why all the new maps like cbble and tuscan have to be so "shiny", if you know what I mean. Why can't they be simple?

2014-01-22 21:40

bad map(

2014-01-22 22:07

i hope valve add it to matchmaking :D

2014-01-23 00:06

Looks actually very promising. Stop hating guys. Wait with your judgment till the final release. Unlike Valve Brute seems to know what he's doing. Tuscan and forge were great maps in 1.6 and ruska was also fun. I wish we would have forge instead of that terrible cbble Valve recently released. Stop hating Brute. Without people like Brute (tuscan, forge, ruska,..), cashed (season, lite, source-engine-version of mirage,..), Bubkez (cpl_strike and mirage) etc. we would have been doomed to play the 4 standard maps over and over again while getting worse versions of them with every new CS title.

2014-01-23 01:08

Its really nice that the map developer is considering community feedback even though most of it is just whining without actual criticism.

2014-01-23 06:06

Looks weird, but it's GO map and we just need to get used to this one also. I don't really mind, as long as map does "work".

2014-01-23 15:05

Guys I just hope the new tuscan won't be so f*cked up like the new cbble.. in source it was awesome, but now so many passes and hallways wtf I hope tuscan stays same :)

2014-01-24 09:08

as i said previously, i will listen to anyone's opinion and feedback about this map or any other future map and take any of it under consideration to work into the map. for those who are already doing this it is appreciated and will be considered as i continue to work on the map. however, if you can't give solid, mature, and worthwhile feedback that actually has significance to the map itself you will be ignored. basically anyone saying "it sucks" "ugly" "bombsite b looks terrible", etc etc you are/will be ignored.

2014-01-24 09:14

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Loved 1.6 tuscan and from the screenshots this one looks good too. However, my main concerns are changes to the map's core gameplay. What made 1.6's tuscan so much fun to play was the CT/T balance. With GO being a completely different game, this balance is obviously impossible to replicate. Having said that, my perfect tuscan would have all the same peeks/angles/dimensions that the 1.6 version had to give it as good a chance of being balanced as possible. The other thing I loved about 1.6's tuscan was the visibility. The textures were amazing, and made spotting enemies effortless. Looking forward to a competitive, balanced, cs classic. Thanks Brute.

2014-01-24 10:07