ESL comments on dAT matter

ESL has issued a statement to comment on dAT Team's decision to abandon the CIS online pre-qualifier for ESL One Katowice.

The Ukrainian team were forced to withdraw from the CIS pre-qualifier for the upcoming major following a scheduling conflict between this tournament and StarSeries that, in Andrey "⁠B1ad3⁠" Gorodenskiy's words, was the fault of ESL.

dAT saw themselves in a situation in which they had to choose between the ESL One Katowice pre-qualifier and SLTV StarSeries, and they opted to pull out of the former.

Contacted by HLTV.org, ESL put together the following statement about this situation:

After dAT didn’t show up for their match in our ESL One CIS qualifier last night they published a statement about it today. We would like to issue a statement of our own regarding the situation.

On Monday 26th we had some internal miscommunication within ESL about the dates of the CIS qualification and possible changes. During that time SLTV approached us in an internal skype channel for league organizers, asking about our CIS qualification. Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time. However, we didn’t know why they would need that information specifically, nor that this was about rescheduling matches for dAT, as we were not aware of the full SLTV schedule and they didn’t mentioned anything about it.
During the night from Monday to Tuesday an official announcement has been posted in our ESL CIS section where the tournament has been organized, with detailed information regarding the upcoming qualification including the schedule, stating that the tournament would start on Wednesday 28th. 
On Wednesday 28th during the afternoon dAT officially contacted ESL for the first time about the CIS qualification and stated that they would be unable to participate as two of their members have real-life commitments due to the wrong information they got on Monday. Up until that moment, dAT had not approached ESL directly to get any information about the qualification nor did they check the announcement in our ESL CIS section which had the all information including the schedule. We told them that there is nothing we could do at that point as rescheduling the whole tournament was not an option. Due to their question, we already told them at the time that it would not be possible for them to participate in any European qualification. dAT then went on and started to play the qualification on Wednesday night even though they told us earlier that it would be impossible for two of their members to participate at that night. 
On Wednesday night, after the first day was over, we got approached once again by dAT through a third party manager from another organization and they asked us if it would be possible to delay their match due to the Best-of-Three match they had to play against NaVi at SLTV. We told them that it wouldn’t be possible to delay the match as this would delay the whole tournament, affecting multiple matches and several other teams. The only chance to delay a match in that qualification would be if it was the final, but not in the middle of the lower bracket.
It would have been easier for everyone if they had been able to rescheduled their SLTV match instead, as that was just a single match and not a tournament with multiple matches and teams playing at the same night. But SLTV didn’t allow them to reschedule either. dAT then decided on Thursday to not further participate in the CIS qualification and play their SLTV match instead. This lead to a default win for their opponent in the ESL One qualification.

"After dAT didn’t show up for their match in our ESL One CIS qualifier last night they published a statement about it today. We would like to issue a statement of our own regarding the situation.

"On Monday 26th we had some internal miscommunication within ESL about the dates of the CIS qualification and possible changes. During that time SLTV approached us in an internal skype channel for league organizers, asking about our CIS qualification. Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time. However, we didn’t know why they would need that information specifically, nor that this was about rescheduling matches for dAT, as we were not aware of the full SLTV schedule and they didn’t mentioned anything about it.

"During the night from Monday to Tuesday an official announcement has been posted in our ESL CIS section where the tournament has been organized, with detailed information regarding the upcoming qualification including the schedule, stating that the tournament would start on Wednesday 28th. 

"On Wednesday 28th during the afternoon dAT officially contacted ESL for the first time about the CIS qualification and stated that they would be unable to participate as two of their members have real-life commitments due to the wrong information they got on Monday. Up until that moment, dAT had not approached ESL directly to get any information about the qualification nor did they check the announcement in our ESL CIS section which had the all information including the schedule. We told them that there is nothing we could do at that point as rescheduling the whole tournament was not an option. Due to their question, we already told them at the time that it would not be possible for them to participate in any European qualification. dAT then went on and started to play the qualification on Wednesday night even though they told us earlier that it would be impossible for two of their members to participate at that night. 

 "On Wednesday night, after the first day was over, we got approached once again by dAT through a third party manager from another organization and they asked us if it would be possible to delay their match due to the Best-of-Three match they had to play against NaVi at SLTV. We told them that it wouldn’t be possible to delay the match as this would delay the whole tournament, affecting multiple matches and several other teams. The only chance to delay a match in that qualification would be if it was the final, but not in the middle of the lower bracket.

 "It would have been easier for everyone if they had been able to rescheduled their SLTV match instead, as that was just a single match and not a tournament with multiple matches and teams playing at the same night. But SLTV didn’t allow them to reschedule either. dAT then decided on Thursday to not further participate in the CIS qualification and play their SLTV match instead. This lead to a default win for their opponent in the ESL One qualification."

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read? :D
2015-01-30 21:30
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Israel FrekBoy
its funny
2015-01-30 21:33
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Korea ws0
Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time ggwp
2015-01-30 21:30
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Israel vakenT
So true +1 ESL must let dAT play the game cuse it's there fault
2015-01-30 21:56
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World Ume
who wants dAT at katowice anyway starseries>katowice qualifiers.. nice priority by dAT =/
2015-01-30 21:33
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id like to see it
2015-01-30 21:31
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Poland maxciek
dAT i think
2015-01-30 21:31
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Kek
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i want
2015-01-30 21:32
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me
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me
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good stickers
2015-01-30 21:33
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World tel3
Nobody, cause dAT would play without s1mple. It's dAT s1mple.
2015-01-30 21:39
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Sweden gnaaRLY
ROFL well played
2015-01-30 21:58
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
i really want to see them in katowice
2015-01-30 21:40
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Russia tkelm
if they didnt play they would take 3rd place in group. and fall in lower bracket
2015-01-30 21:47
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World ari_plays
they probably have a better chance in starseries lol
2015-01-30 21:47
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me
2015-01-30 21:53
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World EzFanBoyz
Me too
2015-01-31 01:29
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dramaaaa
2015-01-30 21:31
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United States T3HK4T kappa
stupid situation but kinda agreeable from ESLs part
2015-01-30 21:31
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drama
2015-01-30 21:31
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Poland dishi
i will not read this for sure lol
2015-01-30 21:31
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How they can go to Katowice with s1mple?
2015-01-30 21:31
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Mexico Moxw
they can't
2015-01-30 21:32
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Other yyes
they can't,but they wanted to go with Pr1zak
2015-01-30 21:32
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They use a stand-in.
2015-01-31 03:54
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tl;dr
2015-01-30 21:31
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Sweden Silance
TL;DR: dAT decided on Thursday to not further participate in the CIS qualification and play their SLTV match instead so fuck them. Official ESL statement.
2015-01-30 21:54
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Mexico Moxw
y u delete my comment admin??
2015-01-30 21:33
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#34
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World dmkoo3
esl going full retard
2015-01-30 21:33
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#35
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Norway aimb
ESL THE LEAGUE dAT MATTERS
2015-01-30 21:33
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#36
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Serbia Svipke
So ESL makes mistake, dAT plans their time according to that information. Arranges match vs. NaVi so they can manage to play everything. ESL then changes everything and says that it's dAT fault for not "approaching" earlier? da fuq i just read?
2015-01-30 21:33
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
yep i like how they vague mention that it was their mistake in the first place, then blame sltv and dat
2015-01-30 21:42
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Germany AntiGrav1ty
+1
2015-01-30 21:54
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Ozstrik3r | 
Denmark Soccermom
I blame dAT management as well. They should have hired 3 people to just sit and hit F5 on ESL info page 24/7.
2015-01-30 22:03
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Norway mamazyka
AFAIK dAT has no management nor sponsors
2015-01-30 22:40
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Ozstrik3r | 
Denmark Soccermom
Sorry, it was a sarcastic comment... should have made that clearer.
2015-01-30 23:00
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You've just read an article about ESL going full retard. Yet there are things to take from this article, never go full retard and don't believe ESL's schedules under any circumstances.
2015-01-30 23:55
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Lithuania TaigoN
This excuse changes nothing, ESL u SUCK!
2015-01-30 21:34
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Don't worry they would not place well @ ESL anyway without p1mple
2015-01-30 21:34
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Europe frQst
tl;dr
2015-01-30 21:34
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However, we didn’t know why they would need that information specifically I have a hard time figuring out if Dreamhack really is worse than ESL. Valve sure knows how to pick 'em.
2015-01-30 21:34
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I would suspicious as well... those NIGERIAN SCAMMERS ARE EVERYWHERE ... EVERYWHERE .. I tell you! /tinfoilhatMan
2015-01-30 22:00
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Lithuania eVey
They fucked up and still can't admit their fault. Bunch of sissys
2015-01-30 21:34
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World NiGiSaMa
basically what HR said
2015-01-30 21:34
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Kazakhstan russen
They say : We did mistake but it's your problem. Be ready for everything.
2015-01-30 21:35
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Uzbekistan floody!
"Due to their question, we already told them at the time that it would not be possible for them to participate in any European qualification." can some one explain ? it means dat in black list of esl?
2015-01-30 21:37
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Russia autismus
ESL admins are just feggits
2015-01-30 21:38
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Poland prejt
well ESL have good connection with Riot which is like nazzi of esport so it's very likely that ebola is doing it's thing
2015-01-30 21:37
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Russia autismus
OMG Esl u just pissed me really, made me mad ffs. U should be not supported anymore by valve!!!!
2015-01-30 21:37
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Kazakhstan russen
+
2015-01-30 21:39
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World Intellex
tl;dr?
2015-01-30 21:37
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Norway sycho
rip ESL poorly managed it seems
2015-01-30 21:37
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Uzbekistan floody!
ESL... lost all respect
2015-01-30 21:39
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#58
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United Kingdom BenUK
Well after reading that it just seems like ESL fucked up, and is trying to make it dAT's fault by saying they didn't ask. No surprise tbh, it seems the majors always have some kind of fuck up...
2015-01-30 21:39
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Vietnam MCBuddhismus
lol esl haha
2015-01-30 21:40
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Norway sycho
I don't understand how they can announce the brackets for their qualifier one and a half day before it starts. Hell, it's even only one day for normal people that sleeps during the night. It's just shooting yourself in the foot.
2015-01-30 21:43
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Russia YPDima
Lunat, best admin on cis esl !!! joke
2015-01-30 21:44
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Sweden Aw fuk bye
So according to ESL DAT needs to ask the date again after they've already asked the date and planned after that schedule?
2015-01-30 21:45
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wAT matter?
2015-01-30 21:46
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Russia nooki3
esl mafia
2015-01-30 21:49
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World hoobik
Seems like the correct thing to do here is to fire the admin that not only screwed up but also refused to fix the situation.
2015-01-30 21:49
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Lithuania spr1N.
"we gave them a wrong date at this time" Poor esl.
2015-01-30 21:52
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Ozstrik3r | 
Denmark Soccermom
Sometimes the PR school of completely denying any wrong doings is not the right one :) Just apologize for fucking up and promise to do better in the future (would at least have worked better on me).
2015-01-30 21:54
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Poland Infamouss
"We gave them the wrong date, but you know, it's still their fault because fuck you"
2015-01-30 21:54
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ayyy lmao :D
2015-01-30 21:57
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United Kingdom SUPA HOT FIRE
think you mean latter not former?
2015-01-30 21:56
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United Kingdom NipXe
"...even though they told us earlier that it would be impossible for two of their members to participate at that night." Someone's a bit upset and unprofessional. As if they are surprised a Pro team found a way to prioritize their match over IRL.
2015-01-30 21:57
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World thisisno
esl falls
2015-01-30 21:58
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Russia @sL4Mtv
gg
2015-01-30 21:59
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Ukraine Bastarne
Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time. thats it
2015-01-30 22:00
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Ukraine The_Vladika
#InvitesdaTteamtolanqualifying max repost
2015-01-30 22:00
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k0mplex | 
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MLG should take next major, instead ESL. Also your own random bans is absurd. This is MAJOR, not some EPS where you can do what ever you want. No VAC - no skipperino.
2015-01-30 22:19
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Ukraine PeR4uk
Esl what are you doing? Let me play dAT Team European qualifier # 2, you are wrong. dAT Team must be in Katowice
2015-01-30 22:43
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Europe hest1
wow..ESL really ? how hard is it to admit youre wrong, are you really putting this much effort into trying to make this look like its dATs fault ?
2015-01-30 22:59
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manne | 
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ESL YOU ARE WRONG SLTV admin was talking to you on behalf of dAT and you gave him THE WRONG DATES. SLTV tried to work with dAT around you and then you change change your shit and fuck them up. Then you claim dAT were lazy and never contacted you blah blah... so unprofessional from ESL.
2015-01-30 23:10
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manne | 
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Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time. Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time. Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time. Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time. Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time. Unfortunately we gave them a wrong date at this time.
2015-01-30 23:12
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Germany MaoPro
Fishy...ESL admins probably got paid. The played the matches and after they qualified they do these statements.
2015-01-30 23:13
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u wut m8?
2015-01-30 23:13
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"...we didn’t know why they would need that information specifically...as we were not aware of the full SLTV schedule and they didn’t mentioned [sic] anything about it." Read that as "We here at ESL could care less about scheduling conflicts. If you're not willing to dedicate all of your time to ESL-sanctioned events, then we can't help you."
2015-01-30 23:16
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United States notoes
ESL = retarded?
2015-01-30 23:30
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Other Meg4troN
This is the first time i defend anything that has russians in it, esl its your fucking fault learn how to organize yourself you are an organization that is hosting a $250k tournaments. -crtmaN +simple
2015-01-30 23:42
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Sweden Kasidro
+1 and im not the one to defend Russian things lol
2015-01-31 00:09
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Sweden Kasidro
Esl you fucked up. This statement just confirmed what dat said, shame on you
2015-01-31 00:08
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Lithuania DuckFur
ESL statint that they fucked up but it's not their problem to solve it.
2015-01-31 00:26
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Malta sinapsii
ESL give wrong dates still tries to shit blame lol the penguin dummy red-eye
2015-01-31 00:39
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shi...y event ... shi...y admins ESC vs NAvi never forget ... pz germans !
2015-01-31 01:16
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Poor show ESL, poor show lol!
2015-01-31 01:54
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World bigballs69
why are they even trying to qualify for ESL Katowice if s1mple can't play because he's ESL banned?
2015-01-31 01:57
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Vietnam hcd
shit statement :))
2015-01-31 07:35
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Austria t47ED
dAt dont have money for travling to this tournament so who cares
2015-01-31 09:38
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#131
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Bulgaria ne0lit
SLTV and ESL teaming up on dAT? I mean ESL gave wrong info,declined delay or reschedule and same with SLTV...bunch of scumbag organizations that probably had an agreement into not letting dAT in ESL Katowice,is what it seems like to me lol
2015-01-31 17:42
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Europe RKC
Where is the big problem? Mistakes can just happen! Btw. ESL gave no wrong information to dAT, but to SLTV. Why SLTV didn't tell them their reason for asking?
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