No more rollbacks, Valve

With recent events that saw Valve retract parts of their infamous update, we take a look at ideas on how CS:GO developers can avoid such events in the future and what they can do to improve the evolution of our beloved game.

The CS:GO developers at Valve have had a rough week or so. Two most significant parts of their recent gameplay-changing update, which opened the flood gates of backlash from  the community and professional players, were either reverted or severely edited, to everyone's sigh of relief.

Most of you likely already know Valve's approach to community and pro player feedback. But for those who do not - make no mistake, the two latest updates, which firstly nerfed the insanely overpowered R8 Revolver and secondly reverted all widely unpopular changes made to the AK-47, M4A1-S and M4A4, were one of (if not the) company's first acknowledgements of taking community and pro feedback into consideration after more than three years of developing the game.

Now that we've confirmed Valve does listen and react, albeit in the worst circumstances only, it's time for them to listen some more so that events such as these don't happen in the future again, and to ensure that the future of the game is also in the community's hands.


Change is good - well, at least it can be

We naturally don't want the community, or professionals for that matter, to have a definitive say in everything, but it would be nice to know that our voices are heard and responded to, if need be.

Why shouldn't the community and professional players have a definitive say, you ask? Well, that's easy, we've seen many overreact to change directly after a significant update. For example, when the silenced counterpart to M4A4 was released back in mid-2013, a storm of concern surrounded social media and forums about the weapon's clip size and number of extra magazines.


The M4A1-S turned out pretty well, didn't it?

We all know how it turned out in the end - it only took a few months before we saw more than three out of five players of basically every top10 team use the M4A1-S, when they realized how much the pros outweighed the cons.

To put it simply, people are afraid of the unknown and generally don't like big changes, whether it be in their lives or on the virtual field. But as we've confirmed thus far, change can be good and most of it, at least the pure root of it, should definitely stay in Valve's hands. Otherwise the game would stagnate in evolution and we would rarely see bigger gameplay updates come to light.


How can Valve listen better?

Now this is an evergreen-type topic. How can Valve ensure they don't shoot themselves in the foot (With a Revolver. The OP one. The one that dealt about 90 damage.) like that again? How can we ensure they have things to listen to, with proper data flowing both inside and outside of the game?

There are a few possibilities. Obviously, Valve have their own forums for feedback, there are other forums such as Reddit, but we've learned that they rarely react to it, either because the presentation is jibberish or the ideas given aren't in line with their thinking or for any other reason.

Since that does not seem to be working, likely because the feedback is somewhat raw and unfiltered, let's delve deeper into other ideas, which should be feasible for Valve to implement:

By hiring experts to give input on updates

One of the possiblities to make things much easier for the developers would be to hire experts to give them input on ideas and specific updates. The important thing is, these experts would obviously need to have no ties to organizations that support teams or teams themselves. It would have to be a selection of people like analysts, casters, journalists, former professional players etc.

Why? Because we wouldn't want professional players and teams to have an edge over the competition by having an extra ear listening to them but not others. There was already quite an amount of backlash going NiP's way, who have reportedly had much more contact with the developers than anyone else, at least in the beginnings of CS:GO.


HenryG would certainly be of great help to Valve, among others

Not only could these experts give input on Valve's ideas and updates, they could give their own ideas and suggest changes themselves. Ideally, they'd also get some kind of a beta access, where the new updates would be in place, to properly test things out and see how certain changes work within the game itself, not just on a theoretical level.

Many experts, including Tomi "⁠lurppis⁠" Kovanen, Duncan "Thorin" Shields and Henry "⁠HenryG⁠" Greer, who touched on the subject a little more in-depth in a massive interview that is coming out next week, seem to like the idea and some would be open to help Valve out this way.

Shields even published an edition of Thorin's Thoughts back in August called "Counter-Strike Needs an IceFrog", and these days those words have more merit than ever before. There needs to be someone, or a group of people, who makes sure Counter-Strike stays being Counter-Strike so that the legacy that has been kept alive for 15 years can live on.

By creating a Public Beta Environment (PBE)

Another possibility would be a Public Beta Environment (PBE) for a wider array of players. If you aren't familiar with the technicalities, imagine it as another version of the game, where players could playtest unreleased updates and give feedback on forums specifically created for this environment.

We obviously wouldn't want everyone to have access to that, as the sample size would be huge, and players who aren't too familiar with the game aren't capable enough to pinpoint certain problems within the game.

Let's say everyone who subscribes for the beta, meaning everyone who wants to provide feedback, has over 2000 hours total and a certain amount of hours over the last month (to only have active players there), will gain access to the environment. We should probably include rank limits in there as well, to have a certain standard of skill and knowledge within the PBE. Plus the experts that I mentioned above to have a little more depth.

Those players would get to playtest changes that are in the works in a separate version of the game for a period of time, which would depend on the volume and importance of the changes. During this period, PBE players would provide feedback on the forums and Valve would fix discovered bugs and adjust things that aren't working as intended, are disrupting to the game, are way too powerful or underpowered.


LEGIJA and many more are pro PBE

That way, Valve would get a cleaner, filtered feedback from people that are capable enough to provide it. They could also use their features better to analyze whether the changes made worked as they should have, all before the update itself is rolled out to the official version.

Thanks to all this, competitive players wouldn't have to deal with gamebreaking bugs, overpowered weapons and disruptive features being thrown into a competitive environment, like official matches.

A similar system already works in other games, specifically in League of Legends. Very rarely do you see a game-breaking bug or ultra-overpowered champions enter the official version of the game, and I'm sure a lot of that can be accounted to the PBE. 

I'm also sure Valve would benefit greatly from a PBE of their own, as the team behind CS:GO development is very small compared to other e-sports titles and it's understandable they can't catch everything on their own. Question is, will they listen again?

 

Which do you think would be the better course of action? Would you like to have access to a Public Beta Environment and give proper feedback to Valve? Let us know in the comments below.

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2015-12-17 19:02
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Denmark Arthrangos
The idea with PBE is great, should've been added a year ago..
2015-12-17 19:56
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Poland Botaz
I was sure they have PBE servers haha :D Who would not have them when they are the best to try out new ideas without destroying whole game? I'm obviously not talking about R8.
2015-12-17 20:06
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#191
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Turkey Mustafa-
RIP CSGO ANYMORE ALL OF GUYS GO PLAY COD
2015-12-17 21:24
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Turkey kocAK42
Cod is dead too Last real cod is MW3 Best one is MW2
2015-12-17 21:36
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#220
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Germany DownWrath
No. CoD4 is and will forever be the best CoD of all time, followed by CoD2. Period.
2015-12-17 22:08
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#231
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United States elerion
This and only this. W@W was the beginning of the end. Activision got too hard of a dick from the popularity.
2015-12-17 22:32
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#233
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Greece Yianni_K
Word w@w was pretty good. After that mw2 was OK, black ops Meh, and it all went down hill from there. Oh and cod 4 was the best. By far
2015-12-17 22:36
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#258
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I thought I was the only one who had that opinion, glad to see that a lot of people agree xD I've literally never owned a CoD game since MW2
2015-12-17 23:16
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#306
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Nepal Elix123
I like cod ghost the most *grabs popcorn*
2015-12-18 06:45
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zonic | 
United States Rosetta_Stoned
the fuck is CoD ghost
2015-12-20 07:50
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IceBerg | 
Nepal Elix123
The shit game from 2014
2015-12-20 09:44
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zonic | 
United States Rosetta_Stoned
Ah, 2014, that makes sense. I just watched a fragvid/montage video of that Karma douchebag who appears to be pretty good at CoD, and as I'm watching I'm noticing all these clips where he's just fuckin floating onto random tall objects and knocking off people as they run inside (the fact that he's firing while floating has no impact on recoil of course, since there is none). I honestly don't have a clue as to how Competitive CoD even works, you have fuckin missiles falling from the sky for getting a few kills and helicopters flying around mowing everyone down - its far from a skill-based game, which makes me wonder how there are top teams in CoD that don't lose matches to other random teams considering all the random game-changing factors that shouldn't exist.
2015-12-20 22:05
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#389
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United States elerion
That's one of the reasons CoD4 was one of the last good games. With mod support there were rules and game changes enforced to introduce more skill than random acts in the games. Black Ops had, at the very least, server settings to disallow certain things and tournament rules besides to prevent these types of things from occurring. Without mod support, its pretty disgusting though. Unlike CS where the base game offers a good platform for competition from the start. I played CoD until BO2 (minus shit ones like MW2, W@W, MW3, Ghosts?Lul) competitively with a blind hatred for CSS and CSGO until I realized I was just bad and bitter and CS was a superior game in every way.
2016-01-04 16:32
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+1
2015-12-17 22:48
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+1337
2015-12-17 23:06
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#257
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Turkey kocAK42
Played both cod 4 and mw2 ,mw2 :same gameplay better dynamics and graphics
2015-12-17 23:16
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#349
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Finland get_baited
take ur nostalgia glasses off cod4 was shit compared to mw2
2015-12-18 15:48
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Albania fistingkung
+12458210741209
2015-12-19 15:51
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#372
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Sweden Anunnaki
TBH CoD2 was the only decent one not even good just decent the rest of the call of duty series is hot trash.
2015-12-19 16:55
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Portugal narças
+1, cod 2 was the best, cod 4 was pretty good and was really really active on competitive promod.. shame promod also fucked up everything.
2015-12-30 15:16
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#291
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Australia Vayatris
Best COD is COD2
2015-12-18 03:13
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#296
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World moketarz
omg the real truth read in hltv
2015-12-18 04:18
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#305
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Finland Deltree
Cod 4 promod is the best.
2015-12-18 06:30
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#308
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Germany Jesusplays
Last real Cod and good Cod was Cod 4. Period.
2015-12-18 07:06
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"Best one is MW2" MW2 is the worst cod game ever made.. it killed the whole series.
2015-12-18 11:30
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Turkey kocAK42
Prob u think advanced warfare is the best
2015-12-18 15:25
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United States elerion
Console fan identified. MW2 was a sloppy hot soup shit. No command line, no dedicated servers, stripped to the bones to stiffen the dicks of all the console whine babies. Then they realized that people would stop playing if they had to try so they added in a whole cast of garbage to allow people to feel like they're winning/good. That and it promoted camping and bad team play... +1 for nuke strike?
2016-01-04 16:36
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Turkey kocAK42
If u are a real quickscoper u dont need to camp tryharfd crying baby
2016-01-04 23:18
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Turkey? Do you have electricity in the 4th world?
2016-01-11 17:58
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Turkey kocAK42
What a quality bait n1 McDonalds cashier
2016-01-11 18:56
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RIP ENGLANDO ANYMORE
2015-12-17 22:51
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#245
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RIP ENGLANDO ANYMORE
2015-12-17 22:54
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I have VAC on CoD RiP
2015-12-18 05:39
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#301
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France louisvuitton
On consoles.
2015-12-18 06:20
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#315
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Romania Darkness-
Yes Valve should make a test client like dota 2 has where everybody can test the update before it gets implemented to the game. And obviously after that Valve can make the necesary changes to not have another broken/bad update to the game again.
2015-12-18 09:38
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#342
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Finland Rosvoranga
Now they are so scared to release new updates, they can just forget this game.
2015-12-18 14:07
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#309
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Shouldve been added 3 years ago
2015-12-18 07:07
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The PBE/Community Test Environment idea has done wonters for BF4 :) and I'm sure it can provide an accelerated evolution of the game.
2015-12-19 21:46
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#124
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lol striker implying Thorin is an expert, facepalm
2015-12-17 19:58
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World c0baincss
word, even used to cheat on source..
2015-12-17 20:02
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#170
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Other 121212123
99% That was Richard Lewis and pretty sure Thorin is a 1.6 Elitist.
2015-12-17 20:54
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I'm sure Valve has enough salt in their kitchen, no need for an extra.
2015-12-18 00:45
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#141
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fail b8
2015-12-17 20:23
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Thorin is THE cs expert.
2015-12-17 20:27
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+1
2015-12-17 20:32
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hahahahahaha never played the game but hes an expert
2015-12-17 21:00
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#199
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United Kingdom Kzati
Find his esea account. He has a fair few games on there mate. You just think he's shit because you don't like his jokes...
2015-12-17 21:39
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#292
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Europe c3aseer
this +9000
2015-12-18 03:19
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#223
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Sweden Terrorsimme
Retard spotted
2015-12-17 22:14
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not hhahhaa, thorin is an expert in autistic clowning. a pro veteran in this area.
2015-12-18 13:43
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#178
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Denmark lylimapanda
Wouldn't go as far as that. But yeah, when you look at the people in the media surrounding CS, he's probably top3.
2015-12-17 21:05
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you misspelled autism
2015-12-18 13:44
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dank memes my friend, did you show your mum?
2015-12-18 16:22
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he is right tho. thorin is an expert... in autism. btw. striker too.
2015-12-18 13:42
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Yea ez, you did a lot....
2015-12-18 03:21
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United Kingdom KKAPPA
gaben not happy :(
2015-12-17 19:03
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+1
2015-12-17 19:03
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nice
2015-12-17 19:03
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kek
2015-12-17 19:03
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United Kingdom TheMclJoe
lol
2015-12-17 19:03
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Estonia syccc
wat
2015-12-17 19:03
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Israel cortexMONSTER
SUP
2015-12-17 19:03
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#17
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United Kingdom -CammY-
Why have you added lurpiss to that list. He's more clueless than Thorin. Pro players should be the one that has a say on what changes and what doesn't because clearly valve devs are clueless.
2015-12-17 19:03
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#34
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Pros can be biased towards some changes what benefits them, so it should be someone outside pro scene but with great knowledge how game works.
2015-12-17 19:07
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Volcano? SlothSquadron? uh uh uh uh uh uh uhu hu huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh uhuhuhuhuhuh uh uhhhhhhhhhhh ummmmmmmmmm 3kilks?
2015-12-17 19:15
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Netherlands DvceW
Greetings hi the 3Kliks greet you
2015-12-17 19:22
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#111
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Slovakia itsab8
also WarOwl's S.H.I.T. advice
2015-12-17 19:45
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#72
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Greece gunnerextati
+1
2015-12-17 19:18
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#384
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Ukraine Tokira
Thorin is biased towards baguettes and Olof, he will advise to buff CZ and Tec-9 beyond the OPness they had at release.
2015-12-21 11:03
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Latvia shevijs
So pro players could give selfish input changes. Nice try tho
2015-12-17 19:08
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#65
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World Hayashin
please try again later. maybe then you can come up with something valuable
2015-12-17 19:16
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+1 lurppis is a troll nowadays.
2015-12-17 19:54
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Lol what an idiot
2015-12-17 20:33
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#260
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Russia camogilvie1
Lurppis was a pro?
2015-12-17 23:20
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Japan Artsegar
w
2015-12-17 19:03
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Hallelujah
2015-12-17 19:04
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Germany ChristallClear
nice
2015-12-17 19:05
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Slothsquadron >>>>>>> all
2015-12-17 19:05
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Less analysts being used more current pro players being used.
2015-12-17 19:05
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#24
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Denmark partydodger
Like Valve would care lol
2015-12-17 19:05
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United Kingdom Clyve
first
2015-12-17 19:05
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Thought this was a blog for a second wdf
2015-12-17 19:05
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#29
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France bluewhalelmao
HELLO
2015-12-17 19:06
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#31
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Europe MJeyy
VALVE JUST WANT US TO WASTE MONEY ON SKINS!
2015-12-17 19:06
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#58
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England azrl
They make the skins.. No one makes people buy them..
2015-12-17 19:15
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#69
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World Hayashin
i wish it would be that simple
2015-12-17 19:17
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#270
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Bulgaria sN7
it is. Just don't buy them.
2015-12-18 00:10
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#279
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World Hayashin
in theory it is that simple. but the whole skin market turned into a ecosystem on its own with websites , analyst sites and so on. people depend on that shit and the game is about that shit now. if it would be so simple why did it turn into a independent branch of industry
2015-12-18 00:59
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#280
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Bulgaria sN7
cuz people are dumb. You can play the game and never spend a cent on skins.
2015-12-18 01:23
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#297
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World Hayashin
haha so you agree with me. and i agree with you on that one
2015-12-18 05:01
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#78
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Europe MJeyy
So? They still want us to buy them and promotes the cases & skins. It's pretty obvious though. Any company would do that to gain more money! You just have to decide if you want to take the b8 or not by buying skins.
2015-12-17 19:20
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#112
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England azrl
Of course they want to make money lol they're a business.. But no one can FORCE people to buy them. :)
2015-12-17 19:47
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#271
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Bulgaria sN7
They want you to buy them but dont force you to. You can just NOT pres BUY button.
2015-12-18 00:11
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#374
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Finland Hurrri
They don't make them. They steal everything from the Workshop.
2015-12-20 01:18
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World SexyPig
+1
2015-12-17 19:20
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good iniative
2015-12-17 19:06
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VUCK FALVE
2015-12-17 19:07
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#35
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France Nogara
tl;dr
2015-12-17 19:07
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"Listening better" would imply that they listened at all
2015-12-17 19:07
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PJSalt
2015-12-17 19:07
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good idea
2015-12-17 19:08
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Nome bore bad updates Valve, Regard:Corma
2015-12-17 19:08
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I really liked the pistol and AK/M4 changes before they reverted it to be honest. It wasn't perfect. But goddamn did it feel nice in a way, reminded me slightly more of the way the game felt like it was with first 1-3 bullet accuracy in 1.6. Quick burst/taps and then resetting targets just felt so much more "crisp" and satisfying when fragging out. Am I the only one that liked this much? Seemed reddit hivemind went crazy, fearing change, and it pissed me off to see. I wish we tried it out for longer time. Still think they should make a switch like that, just tweak things a bit further so the LATE SPRAY is a bit more accurate and less RNG. Which felt so satisfying to frag with, as I played a lot during those days with the update and started getting it down. Gotta be honest, after the reversion I've been a little bit bummed it's back to the old super inaccurate 2nd and 3rd shot BS (imo) that has been annoying me about GO for a long time. Now it's back to super long range 10+ bullet spraying all the time and crabwalking-spray bullshit :/ Just my 2 cents...
2015-12-17 19:09
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#60
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World doh
failfish !
2015-12-17 19:15
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let me guess, you're a baddie and/or you have shit aim and are scared of getting wrecked by people that are faster/better than you in that skill.
2015-12-17 19:29
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#131
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Norway d0weneu
Bitch please they've ruined one tapping and you want them to ruin spray as well? Fucking fag
2015-12-17 20:02
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Um "they've ruined one tapping", are you daft? One tapping has never been a thing in GO ever, how was it ever ruined? If you used your brain you'd realize they could tweak the game to make tapping and 3-shot bursting much better rewarding better aimers and raising the skill ceiling. But hey thanks for adding so much to the discussion, "Fucking fag", your maturity, wow. Another autistic ignorant child on HLTV, with a toxic attitude. Grow the fuck up. I'd pity people like you but you're not even worth that.
2015-12-17 21:20
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#267
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France KoBeWoNe
That's the point everyone is apparently missing In that community... Spray was/is way too powerfull In this game compare to tapping
2015-12-17 23:48
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#275
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United States d3vx
Why should firing one bullet per second have more potential impact than firing 5? IMO they should just extend 30cm accuracy distances by ~20% and give a ~10% dmg increase to shots landed while immobile and not spraying. There really aren't many other ways to add incentive to actual tapping without lowering the skill ceiling. Who knows, my ideas might be as bork as the R8, but they sound good to me.
2015-12-18 00:30
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#179
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Poland Perry89
Valve just need to implement new function that would have its own inaccuracy and apply it for first 3-4 shots then use whatever function it has now but implement it with a delay of a time of those 3-4 shots. At the end of the first function just copy the value where last bullet landed and from what position it came from and pass it to the second funcion,
2015-12-17 21:06
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Yes. Here is someone who is generally understanding the gist of the point I was try to get across, which I think would be a great fresh tweak to the game and I think a lot of the true competitors would really appreciate if it worked out.
2015-12-17 21:22
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#276
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United States d3vx
Are you kidding? Two separate spray patterns that hand off in the middle? wtf.. Not only was that NOT what you were trying to say, it's never going to happen.
2015-12-18 00:32
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#319
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World drev1
Valve did listen to the post which described why the way the spray increase was bad. Also how it was in 1.6. (Generally asquare function instd og log). This would increase accuracy of first bullets compared to later ones, but valve would have to fix alot in the current system. The inaccuracy depends on resettime, which would have to be changed in order for this to be an option.
2015-12-18 11:16
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#359
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United States d3vx
Aren't the first bullets already more accurate than the later ones? I mean, I know they are. I guess a better question is, do you mean that you feel that the spray patterns should be randomized completely after the first 3 or 4 bullets? (and therefore the patterns not something one can memorize..?)
2015-12-18 22:05
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#362
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World drev1
No, that's not what I meant. The difference in accuracy is bigger between the first and second bullet, than the difference between 3rd and 4th and so on. This means that you don't get more and more penalized for a longer spray, rather you get more penalized for the first couple of bullets after the 1st. What I want is to make the first bullets more accurate, compared to later ones, so that if you start to spray when you shouldn't, you're dead. One shouldn't spray on long distance for instance. Also I want the reset time to be drastically increased the longer into a spray you go. If you go for a spray, there should be no way back. When you only fire a bullet or two, you should be able to wait (move) for the reset, aim and fire again.
2015-12-19 00:17
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#365
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United States d3vx
Your posted ideas are all over the place dude. Just learn the game and gun mechanics, learn how to spray, and stop crying about getting murked by dudes with better spray than you. Besides, if you are a really good (that includes super quick) aimer, two taps very, very often beats out a spray. The things you sound disappointed with are so easy to build up countering skills for.
2015-12-19 05:38
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#369
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World drev1
Yeah, it's not about me, it's about making a diverse game, that requires more than one skill. I know how to spray, it's not a problem. The game would be better and more fun if it required you to learn other aspects. Also, I think one should be awarded for having superior aim, which you are not atm. "The things you sound disappointed with are so easy to build up countering skills for" -The counter to spray is to spray. Now that not much of a counter is it?
2015-12-19 15:41
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#92
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Finland TRICKASSBUSTAH
Pistol changes were good for sure.
2015-12-17 19:28
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Anyway, to add, I saw this guy (in the link below) had a lot of upvotes and had a pretty seemingly really smart idea which I would LOVE to see implemented as long as it's tested by Valve and pros... which is kind of what I'm talking about. If it works out, could be what I'm really hoping for, would breath fresh life into CSGO for me: reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3w..
2015-12-17 19:31
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#136
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World maxq88
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2015-12-17 20:13
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+1 I get kill when i sprint with m4 now, but n Never when i camp with it . thats fore shure is reverted for me holy ... Plz giv us back m4 i dont care bout the m4 s ,ak or freaking r8 i want my good old m4 back wher it can be felt and wher i felt confidence with it .u kno steam it took me years to master it, all My years good good memories ded....buried..... Murded in coldblood plzz steam valve lord gaben dont kill it this way. i dont wanna ply any morr now the struggle is to much dejavuu y lossing customers and i wan u to kno that u ruin this game for me.i ply sw bf anyone wanna team up, msg me on my profile
2015-12-17 20:22
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nice london m8
2015-12-18 14:25
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#228
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World Metamf
That's how I feel but they needed to do something with firs/burst shots. It felt wrong.
2015-12-17 22:29
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#364
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Russia zprz
I'm with you here, more or less. Played 1.6 for many years and was excited they nerfed the spray in GO (even though I'm quite used to it). The bigger problem I see now is that they're listening to the community too much and in the wrong way. This community historically rejects all changes outright, and since when do people know what they want, anyway? Especially a majority of teenagers raving on this forum and others. How any conclusions can be drawn after only two or three days of adaption is beyond me. And we're talking adaption by matchmaking players, not pros, which haven't even had any time to play with them. As far as the revolver, I wouldn't mind that they would just refund the skins and send it back where it came from. What kind of useless gun takes 3 seconds to fire a shot and why is it in counter strike, which is intended to be competitive? But CS:GO is structured in a fundamentally different way than 1.6 was. In 1.6 the only source of income, and in fact the only thing keeping it alive was the competitive scene. Now, we have microtransactions. So where before the devs might have been ultra focused on competitive aspects, here they might be a little misguided by this drive for popularity and satisfying the not-too-competitive masses. Not that they aren't trying, just there are these millions of shiny dollars which confuse them about their decisions to improve the game.
2015-12-19 02:25
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#43
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Argentina murican32
didn't read
2015-12-17 19:09
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#44
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Brunei Jizzy
Community made the game, community should run it. Or at least have a say.
2015-12-17 19:10
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#82
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Greece gunnerextati
true
2015-12-17 19:21
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#46
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France bluewhalelmao
YES, DO IT
2015-12-17 19:10
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#48
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Finland j3nk3m
stopped reading at : Many experts, including Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen,
2015-12-17 19:11
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#55
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Indonesia perkele
also HenryG ;_; ffs this is pure bulshit
2015-12-17 19:14
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#73
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World Hayashin
maybe give some constructive criticism, who should be an expert to help? maybe ex-pro players? coaches? useless comment as usual
2015-12-17 19:19
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#79
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Liechtenstein Fridgiee
People who actually know and play the game. Vendetta would be great imo, along with guys like 3kliksphillip and SlothSquadron.
2015-12-17 19:20
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we need fatu on the game development, that guy stayed relevant for so long, he has to be good at this stuff
2015-12-17 19:22
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#91
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World Hayashin
what do you mean with "know and playi the game". that term is relative. sloth knows the game Very well, but does he play? 3kliks is a pretty good balance between subjective thoughts , facts/coding and actually knowing how to play. I agree with you, but we have to specific, especially if you say certain people are not qualified to do this and some are. Casters ( HenryG ) also have to be divided in knowing the game because of casting or knowing the game because of casting + playing on a good level. and they obviously dont know the coding part.
2015-12-17 19:27
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#99
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Liechtenstein Fridgiee
I agree completly with you actually. I just have a giant grudge against HenryG. Last time I actually bothered to listen to him, he was absolutely struck by the fact that JW bought Sawed Off on cobble anti-eco.
2015-12-17 19:34
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#105
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World Hayashin
you know , that in fact is the biggest problem in this discussion and the reason why we should have absolutely no saying in who should do it. people need to get over the fact they dont like someone for the sake of his knowledge and for the sake of the game. but the cs community is blind, close minded and childish. not that you said that or do that of course, i dont like everyone either thats just natural.
2015-12-17 19:39
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#119
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Liechtenstein Fridgiee
That would be great, and it is how it will happen eventually,I think, if a change like this goes through. I have no ideals about the average CS player, much less about average HLTV user. Tbh, I even came here to do some hltvshitposting. But you took me by surprise with actual thoughts behind your posts. I wish we all were like this.
2015-12-17 19:55
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#128
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World Hayashin
i do,too. thank you
2015-12-17 20:01
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#216
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Indonesia perkele
only actual csgo pro players PS: nt HenryG
2015-12-17 22:02
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#277
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World Hayashin
that would be stupid for obvious reasons. they already try to exploit everything to be superior, which is understandable
2015-12-18 00:38
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#85
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World medic93
How is HenryG a bad choice? He has experience playing the game at a high level and wouldn't want to implement shit such as the r8.
2015-12-17 19:22
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#248
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World lopedog
gr8 bait
2015-12-17 22:58
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#171
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Serbia Wule123
me2
2015-12-17 20:57
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#49
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United States Cheesegoose
Good reading, now we wait for Valve to read this
2015-12-17 19:11
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#52
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Finland RaptoRStillAlive
nice ideas but valve wants to test their updates on players to get data faster (fucks with us players tho)
2015-12-17 19:11
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#53
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Poland ozo.
Love striker's articles <3
2015-12-17 19:13
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#54
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Europe g_G
+1
2015-12-17 19:14
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#56
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Poland prejt
Even experts can make mistake so taking away yourself option to rollback just because you said to yourself from now on we will not make mistake it's just simply stupid.
2015-12-17 19:14
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It's obviously good that they did and could roll back, the point is for them not to even have to happen in the first place. I'm sure even a PBE environment would miss a few things or wouldn't be able to determine viability for certain, but it would surely work as a good safety pin.
2015-12-17 19:19
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PBE environment... rip in peace
2015-12-17 21:47
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#263
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Brunei cyLoL
I like you PBE idea but if you want to keep the game moving forward the pbe should be open to all just like other games test servers , ptr , and betas. This is the only way you will get a true grasp of the new updates . By this I mean you will have good players and players and the bad players and everyone in between on your PBE and giving some feedback. Otherwise the game will be skewed towards just the way the "Top Players" want to play as opposed to the mass majority. And I will admit Im only a DMG I dont expect to go pro ever because I have an electrical job but I would also love to be able to give viable feedback because I love counter-strike and have since 1.3 and dont want to see this game die.
2015-12-17 23:33
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#300
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Indonesia OnlineJW
PBE will not work out if it is for everyone Valve will take the majority feedback and the majority are skin lover kids who have no idea about the game, making the game more noob-friendly and stupid
2015-12-18 06:19
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#57
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allu | 
Finland Fherrera
good article, very good points, i really think valve should make samekind of voting poll like jagex did for oldschool runescape, i know many people will disagree with me because its going to split community if radical gameplay changes are made with public poll, but just my opinion
2015-12-17 19:15
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I don't think they should. Most people don't know what can be good for the game on a theoretical level. Most things you just need to try and playtest before you can judge them objectively.
2015-12-17 21:49
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#217
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allu | 
Finland Fherrera
well yeah... true, in oldschool runescape everyone knew what all suggestions were all about because they were in main runescape version years ago and everyone experienced it
2015-12-17 22:04
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Pretty much, yes. I have played a fair share of RS myself ^^
2015-12-17 22:05
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#222
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Finland Fherrera
hahah nice to hear :)
2015-12-17 22:11
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I agree with you. PBE is not a good idea, 2000hs In the game means nothing, There are a lot of players with +3000hs and have lack of knowledge about the game(theoretical level as you said). Also there're too many players who have a few hours in the game but they have a lot of experience from cs 1.6 by many years of playing. In my opinion the first of all developers should hear the opinion from professional players and maybe the Investigators from the community. Everybody knows that the playstyle on the community of Counter Strike is a copy paste from the professional players.
2015-12-18 14:11
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#367
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Poland MatiPasio
so make it 3000h
2015-12-19 09:25
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nice response.
2015-12-19 16:45
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#59
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Germany BLUEFACEBABY
n1
2015-12-17 19:15
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#61
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Bulgaria Stuen4y
The truth is CS:GO needs both...
2015-12-17 19:15
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#63
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Denmark emil584c
didnt read lol
2015-12-17 19:15
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#66
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Belgium ANTIFAcozta
+1
2015-12-17 19:16
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#70
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Turkey sharnV
just quit the game. it's lot less effort
2015-12-17 19:17
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#74
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Liechtenstein Fridgiee
HenryG LOL guy should never cast, and you want him to make game updates :D:D
2015-12-17 19:19
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#192
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Slovakia JanKy1
hes good lol
2015-12-17 21:25
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#75
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World PlogBenny
Good points and ideas. I hope valve listens
2015-12-17 19:19
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#77
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Emieeer
Thoorin is not CS:GO expert, he's CS:GO historian . There is big difference between players(experts) and him, person who simply knows what happened,but doesn't know why.For example when pro player misses shoot, player will know why he missed it, while Thoorin will not simply coz he doesn't feel the game like pro players do.
2015-12-17 19:22
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seriously. I like Thoorin a lot as a "pundit" and general analyst but some noobs act like his word is god, he knows all, and truly understands the deeper pro meta and how things like these rifle changes would impact the game? obviously, he's not the type of person to go to for this kind of talk.
2015-12-17 19:43
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#250
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World lopedog
#+1
2015-12-17 22:59
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#174
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World Raccoon12
+1
2015-12-17 21:00
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#80
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Sweden godname
too many cheaters in mm then :(
2015-12-17 19:20
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#83
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Australia BCP
well said
2015-12-17 19:21
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#87
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Portugal STRONJS
i would NEVER EVER give thooorin the opportunity to make a change on anything cs:go related. Calling him an expert is laughable, would be pretty hilarious to see him balancing a game lmfao.
2015-12-17 19:22
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#346
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Japan tenshi
So surprising that fox fanboys don't like thorin.
2015-12-18 14:52
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#88
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Finland Qksc
Nice read. Hiring experts is actually a great idea.
2015-12-17 19:24
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#89
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Other plath - <3 wayLander
wtf, this is news? if you want to make csgo better, make a separate server for eastern europeans like russians. and also one for turks and middle easterners. that should be priority NUMBER ONE. getting rid of allahakbars and cykablyats from european games. ez first change. valve need to stop shitting on english speaking europeans and stop cheaping out. fucking cunts. - but yeah get pros to give their input into the game. that should be the way, not feedback from reddit silvers. they are the ones who invest the most time in the game, after all.
2015-12-17 19:32
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+1
2015-12-17 19:29
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#90
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Finland miknunoob
PBE would be nice
2015-12-17 19:24
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#95
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Belgium gilisen
good read Milan
2015-12-17 19:30
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#96
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United States itzgin
It'd be stupid to ever let people in solely due to hours played...let in pros/etc. No mention of Volcano or SlothSquadron either? please Striker, make it happen!
2015-12-17 19:30
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#182
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Other kai33
Dude chill, he gave only a few examples. How long would that sentence or paragraph be if striker was to put in all the names on the list? Im quite sure that Volcano and SlothSquadron would be in, if something happens out of this. He doesn't mention natu also, and natu is probably one of the guys with the most experience in the game. EDIT: Super awesome idea, striker.
2015-12-17 21:14
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Exactly. I just mentioned a few people off the top of my head that were worthy of mentioning from what I saw on Twitter for example.
2015-12-17 21:51
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#97
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Portugal mahraka
PBE would one of the best things that could happen :)
2015-12-17 19:30
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#100
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Bosnia and Herzegovina hamseekS94
fuckshitpis
2015-12-17 19:34
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#102
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Denmark Swaft
Kappa 123
2015-12-17 19:36
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#103
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Europe alertaA
nice news kappa
2015-12-17 19:36
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#104
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India Laezy
n1
2015-12-17 19:39
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#109
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Europe rabe!
Mr. Striker that is probably the Post of the Year, credits for that :) i think PBE is an option, i would also like to see a council of pro players - all from different nations and teams, since i have the hard feeling, that most of the updates so far were very hardly influenced by GeT_RiGhT, the onetap-accuracy nerf when scream started to become a threat, the cz nerf when jw came big aswell as the tec9-nerf when olof abused it.. one direct indication is also the fact that gtr had several visits to the secret valve labs in seattle, he also has one of the main-devs (vitaliy) as a friend on facebook. to avoid certain players unfluencing the game development going into their way, the council should have a variety on different players with different playstyles, experience and cs background (1.6,source,go). thanks for reading
2015-12-17 19:44
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#149
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Palestine ndr[o]
really interesting points you made. the more I think about it, the more it makes sense but let's be real here the cz & tec9 were and are op as fuck. definitely needs a type of council. nice read.
2015-12-17 20:32
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#160
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Europe rabe!
well, both pistols were completely unknown until jw and olof made them popular. one more for you: the awp nerf NOBODY asked for: came exactly when kenny was in his prime.. again coincidence, right? get. right?
2015-12-17 20:43
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#167
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Palestine ndr[o]
maybe gtr had something to do with influencing the devs, I'm not denying that cause everything points to it but regarding the awp nef edward said this 3 weeks before the nerf youtu.be/eJ9Rgw7iAyA?t=1m7s yes, no one in the public had complaints about it but we don't know what's happening behind the curtains.
2015-12-17 20:50
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#172
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Europe rabe!
yeah, it was only edward. which is confusing me, the speed while in zoom was always like that, since the beta versions of cs, so he should be used to it. but then again.. edward is rifle only, so ofc he does not like it :) well again: who was the main awper for NiP, allu? probably the most "defensive" and stationary awper i know, so he was not affected by that so much, but someone like kenny or jw who constantly go aggro with the awp... they got fucked by that update. well, i dont think its a conspiracy here, all im saying is that gtr had to say something, and if i would be in his position i would also try to shape the game in my favor, why not?
2015-12-17 20:58
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#195
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Palestine ndr[o]
yeah, yeah, sure. who wouldn't, right? nice "talking" to ya. I remember your blogs, always a good read ;)
2015-12-17 21:29
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#303
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Indonesia OnlineJW
Well written posts +1
2015-12-18 06:24
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I think PBE is the way to do this right. Then again there are many ways to do the PBE. It could be a "sandbox" environment where many fixes and changes are tried out constantly, finding the balance and then release it to the game. This would mean updates to the official game would come maybe 4 times a year, but they would be bigger and better tested. The other way of doing it would be that there is a release schedule for valve developers so that it includes a 2 week test-period before each release. PBE opens up for a week, feedback is collected, valve has one week to react on the feedback and release is then rolled out to official game. Either one of these would be better than testing the releases on public.
2015-12-17 19:45
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#113
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Sweden Masteroo
Nice article!! Seems like a bulletproof idea , i don't see how this could go wrong in any possible way. And to be honest, with the revenue this game is making for Valve and the size it has become, the cost of this extra feature/s/ would be a drop in the ocean. Good job Striker, lets hope it comes true
2015-12-17 19:48
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#114
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zehN | 
Finland ludiMacak
m4a4 not a1
2015-12-17 19:49
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#116
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dsn | 
Turkey OFFICIALNEAL
Like a manifesto, ups!
2015-12-17 19:52
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#117
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Other Arubian
It is actually M4A4 LOL
2015-12-17 19:52
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thorin, henry g and lurppis 1 person who never played cs in his life 1 bad saucer 1 bad 1.6er who never played go yes, those are the kind of people we need to direct valve
2015-12-17 19:58
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you think they are not enough retarded for valve? imo they are as retarded as valve so they would be a good fit.
2015-12-18 13:45
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#123
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Netherlands lolazzz112
wonder if Valve employees even read this. I hope they fucking do and act on it. Sometimes I wish Blizzard made CSGO, I'm pretty sure they would have less fuck ups than valve, based on my feeling towards both companies.
2015-12-17 19:58
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#143
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roman | 
Palestine ndr[o]
what about gooseman? at least he's the one who gave life to counter-strike whereas valve took the life of the original counter-strike. would be nice to see him part of that "expert group/panel" for input.
2015-12-17 20:26
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have you even played sc2? blizzard has killed SC with shitty sc2. sc2 was even a bigger fail than source.
2015-12-18 13:46
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#125
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Poland perM
+1
2015-12-17 19:58
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#126
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Andorra quietly
If you were to introduce a Beta, and let us play upcoming maps or guns or changes before implementing them. You would have a lot more people trying it out then you think. Similar to how SC2 expansions work, you would have a flock of people playing the beta trying to get the leg up on others for competitive purposes. I mean if you were going to alter the spray pattern of the AK/M4 of course as a pro player/semi competitive player you would load up the CSGO Beta and see it for yourself. If you were trying out new maps for us as a community to vote on before putting them in an operation, you can put them on the Beta so we can see them first hand for free! Also would help the mappers find any final bugs before releasing them for $$$ in an operation. In short you would have a much cleaner/smoother update transition.
2015-12-17 19:58
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#127
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World c0baincss
Thorin to advise game updates? The guy doesn't even play. I'm baffled.
2015-12-17 20:00
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lmao, top kek. is the author also retarded he quote this autistic thorin? so funny when random no one want to be an expert.
2015-12-17 20:01
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#135
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roman | 
Palestine ndr[o]
+1 very well written article. I'm all up for those suggestions but I have to give it to the experts you mentioned above: lurppis, henryg and thorin. I trust them cause of their experience and in-depth knowledge, which I highly respect and I'm sure they'll do csgo nothing but good :) edit: can you tell us more about that in-depth interview? who made the interview? is it part of a podcast or HLTV exclusive?
2015-12-17 20:20
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I did it with HenryG, it's coming out early next week, probably Monday.
2015-12-17 20:31
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#159
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United States itzgin
You should get SlothSquadron and Volcano too, and try to get them on board/etc.
2015-12-17 20:41
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2 replies
My initiative to get HenryG for an interview was completely unrelated to anything that's happening at the moment. You'll understand when you see it.
2015-12-17 21:08
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#190
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United States itzgin
Well I meant for the article, not the interview.
2015-12-17 21:24
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striker - well written pick one
2015-12-18 13:41
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#137
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Denmark Fr0nda
HenryG is DMG..... Nice input he Would give
2015-12-17 20:21
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#138
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Germany nexaa
Nice article striker
2015-12-17 20:17
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#139
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Netherlands miniL
Who gives a fudge about m4a1s being used more. It should, and it should have more pro's. In 1.6 it was used a lot more as well but you still saw people without it as well. Probably a lot less ballanced, but there it was the same frigging weapon and you could change on the fly as you liked, which made much more sense. You put a silencer on your gun, not pick up a completely different gun with one attached... And obviously: AK >>>> M4 Nerfing M4 was bollox and still is :)
2015-12-17 20:24
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weapon's clip size and number of extra magazines. FIX IT please. M4 isn't fed with clips. It is fed with magazines. Clip=/=Magazine.
2015-12-17 20:24
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Clips are put in magazines, nothing to fix.
2015-12-17 20:36
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#145
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Other anarh1st47
its time to fix ak47! Kappa Keepo
2015-12-17 20:29
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#147
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Germany Skrillo
thorin and expert pls pick one
2015-12-17 20:30
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9 replies
#152
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Korea Laiton
who is this thorin ?
2015-12-17 20:34
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7 replies
#154
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Germany Skrillo
some retarded uk fagot that thinks he knows everything about the game, meanwhile he is gold nova 4
2015-12-17 20:36
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#156
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Korea Laiton
you are not talking about the legend Thooorin are you ?!
2015-12-17 20:37
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2 replies
#166
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Germany Skrillo
i'm talking about the gold nova 4
2015-12-17 20:50
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1 reply
#168
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Korea Laiton
oh i tought you were talking about the Legend himself
2015-12-17 20:51
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#249
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United Kingdom cabdriver
Thorin's been around at the time while your mum got banged in the parking lot and you were not even born so he deffinitely knows his sh*t about the game. Maybe he's not good playing but his knowledge is flawless.
2015-12-17 22:59
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#310
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Germany Skrillo
may i have a cup of tea pliz. If i had a skill bar from 0 to 1000 and i would gain 1 point for every cup of tea you uk fags drink everyday, i would be better than whole cs:go pro scene combined in 1 player, but oh well...it's just a dream and uk will still stay at its gold nova level.
2015-12-18 08:34
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#361
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Poland Hellper
Dfq reply is this XD
2015-12-19 00:16
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thorin is an expert though. in autism.
2015-12-18 13:41
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+1 PBE servers +1 rank system remake (recognizing individual skill and not win/loss)
2015-12-17 20:35
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3 replies
its a team game, do you want MM to turn into esea? where people just bait eachother and steal defuses
2015-12-17 21:01
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ESEA has the best rank system, people who got carried by this bullshit valve MM system will disagree. I understand that, since its easy get +4 to your lobby and get carried.
2015-12-17 21:47
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ESEA ranks system is fucking shit, and because its so based off average of your round stats they cant seperate decent players from playing with silvers, and you end up having a bunch of garbage baiting 14rws retards with no idea how to play the game
2015-12-17 22:16
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#161
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Sweden maxmonie
+1
2015-12-17 20:44
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#162
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Bulgaria chorkoBG
+1PBE Servers
2015-12-17 20:46
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#177
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Greenland 1stWorldBOY
sorry for stupid question, i didnt read it. What PBE servers mean? ty <3
2015-12-17 21:03
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#163
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Bosnia and Herzegovina trezlicius
what is the point of this article valve will never read this lol
2015-12-17 20:47
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#165
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Portugal HelloBro
Lurppis ? that shit? Rip cs go .
2015-12-17 20:49
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Valve my friend what are you doing?
2015-12-17 20:53
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Just ADD finally POLISH SERVER in MM. Valve is this so hard? 3rd community of CS:GO Poland and no server, but they add server to holland. Guys please, who play in CS in Holland maybe 5% of all players ... Do you know any esport team in CS:GO from Holland? I don't. From Poland we have: Virtus.pro Vexed CSGL InetKoxx in Holland we have: - NOTHING VALVE CMON DO IT!
2015-12-17 21:01
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#215
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Bulgaria savoff
Add bulgarian servers in MM valve is this so hard From Poland we have : HSBG (disbanded i think) E-Force WinFiction (nonamers :D)
2015-12-17 22:02
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2 replies
+1 :D This 3 teams have more players than all Holland :D
2015-12-17 23:14
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#314
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Bulgaria savoff
I said it as a joke but haha XD
2015-12-18 08:51
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n1 striker
2015-12-17 21:07
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#185
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BnTeT | 
Korea PLANETSHAPER
hltv.org/?pageid=135&userid=520779&blogi.. Note the date of the post time. You really think Valve did this all just because they thought it was a cool move? They did it for money and popularity as usual. It's nearing Christmas and kids want to buy CS:GO cause it's the game of the PC everyone is hearing about. They add a new gun to change up the META a bit, and people want to see this new stuff. With all the views they get during Christmas time, why not add new stuff, regardless of its effects on gameplay? More content during a holiday, more views, more money for Valve. Anyways, apparently in the group exclusive conversation for Valve and pro CS players, Valve asked if pros would want this kind of gun with the models and stats -- everything (the model and files for the R8 were actually leaked earlier than it was originally implemented anyways). The pros said no, obviously disliking such an odd change near the holidays. New players should taste the old META, not a new garbage one. Valve added it anyways, despite the pro player opinions. Anyways, look at that post date and time of my old M4A1-S blog; a long time before the actual game changing nerfs happened. Long story short, even if Valve chooses to listen, they will take ages to change something. Don't get your hopes up for fast changes and what not. That R8 nerf shouldn't have taken as long as it did; it should've been a hotfix.
2015-12-17 21:17
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Yeah the specific R8 addition was pretty much a lame quick Holiday cash-grab by Valve, that didn't seem to be executed all that smartly in the end. Just sad how quickly they reverted their pistol changes especially, and also the rifle changes. If they don't test further tweaks and make another change to rifles and pistols in that previous vein in the coming month or two I'd be extremely disappointed. Some things it feels like Valve cares about CSGO being a true competitive esport, but sometimes they just feel so goddamn incompetent. But one thing is for sure they're still raking in the money but I dunno, some of these flawed updates just feel so naive and janky.
2015-12-17 21:28
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#262
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BnTeT | 
Korea PLANETSHAPER
Straight up a money-grab situation on the R8. If anyone took a basic business class I'm sure they'll also know what's up. Thank God they changed all the stuff back and nerfed the R8 though.
2015-12-17 23:29
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#196
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United Kingdom bannedfor10years
Valve listened for once, finally. Hopefully they listen more in the future since it's important if they want the game to keep growing.
2015-12-17 21:31
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Valve are always "listening" but it just feels to me they've been pandering to casuals for far too long, instead of making CSGO a true elite competitive esport, which I get in a sense, it's all about money in the end for them. Just look at how LoL blew up to be what it is. But they do feel almost incompetent at times with some of their super-flawed updates and shit ideas. I don't know, I wish I could be more optimistic about CS in the future, pro scene is pretty decent now but I know for sure it can be so much better.
2015-12-17 21:39
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#203
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Australia schterlo
hey Valve, how about introducing a beta testing opt in option like you have for all of your other games? lets test the updates before they're released. Dumbasses.
2015-12-17 21:44
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#204
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Finland fr0zeNid
nice.
2015-12-17 21:46
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LoL not releasing OP champs? nt
2015-12-17 21:52
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#213
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Australia Hexaze
Hey Valve can you rollback all your updates since 2013? Kappa
2015-12-17 21:56
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#302
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Indonesia OnlineJW
With fixed hitboxes and somehow more balanced m4a1s Gg csgo > doto if this shit happens
2015-12-18 06:22
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+1337
2015-12-17 22:02
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#219
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Argentina thankzz
-1
2015-12-17 22:05
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"Very rarely do you see a game-breaking bug or ultra-overpowered champions enter the official version of the game, and I'm sure a lot of that can be accounted to the PBE." I lol'd
2015-12-17 22:30
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#230
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World bort321
I know one thing: most of you are much bigger idiots than Valve. The community is pretty clueless and they DON'T KNOW (even most pro players) what they want. Ask 10 players to tell you what THEY think everyone agrees on that should be changed in the game. Then enjoy reading 10 different answers. In CS:S there was a separate public BETA for testing where basically the top players never bothered to play it. One time I had to contact Valve myself through RegnaM (an ex top player with some authority) or they would have rolled out a game-breaking update the day after. Of course a shitstorm would've followed just like with the R8.
2015-12-17 22:31
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#232
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World bort321
I thought there was a private BETA and forum for pro players though. I wonder what happened to that.
2015-12-17 22:33
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#234
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Montenegro jackALL
Nice article, would indeed be fantastic if Valve hired some community figures to help them with gamebalance and tweaks that actually up the skill ceiling instead of dragging it down, because god knows they have no fucking clue themselves. I wouldn't hold my breath though, I think valve balances more around the average gold nova than the ESEA tryhard, which is a mistake since people mostly play CS for the competitve stuff.
2015-12-17 22:39
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#235
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Finland  jOELZ
ayy
2015-12-17 22:38
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#251
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Other Since1999
Put 1.5 AK recoil ;)
2015-12-17 23:00
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#261
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Poland sUchy1337
Thorin is idiot. Pls no.
2015-12-17 23:25
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#264
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Denmark chrns
Leaving this here: The M4A4 is now the heavy favourite in the professional realm. Look at the FACEIT and ESLESEA stats. 20+% M4A4, 6/7% M4A1. Alos: Tapping should be better. The idea Valve had was correct. Right now spraying is the objectively best technique at practically every distance but the farthest. Introduce 1.6's model where inaccuracy and recoil stack and recover faster the less shots you stack.
2015-12-17 23:42
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#265
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Sweden im_a_bully
valve will never make a good cs because they don't want to be like "1.6" and due to that reason alone they're making this outlandish piece of shit game
2015-12-17 23:46
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#268
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Sweden sebb7
Yeah, please don't talk for everyone Striker. This update was HORRIBLE. I'm very happy they reversed it. Valve usually does a good job, but this one was... crap.
2015-12-18 00:04
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#304
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Indonesia OnlineJW
Usually does a good job? More like bad but reasonable and acceptable (some of them are pretty good tho I have to say,although pretty delayed like the cz nerf and the hitbox fixes) The 1 tap style nerf - nobody asked for it,but it's acceptable The awp nerf - nobody asked for it,but people got used to it The m4a1-s nerf - everyone asked for it, but it was an overkill
2015-12-18 06:29
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#269
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Denmark Hajiii
Thought lurppis was back in HLTV when I saw that headline. Nice article!
2015-12-18 00:09
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#272
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United Kingdom zb_j3di
Probably should've just gone with those weapons values I supplied initially. /signs off /looks smug
2015-12-18 00:22
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#340
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Helblinde | 
Croatia majers
Fix this game as you fixed source please.
2015-12-18 13:59
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#360
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United Kingdom zb_j3di
Wish I could, dude. I tried! I was in touch with a good amount of the pro scene at the time and had their backing on numerous changes/values. Then some guys without a clue about CS started making other suggestions with no rationale behind them, the changes that went live were a mixture/in-between values of what I suggested and theirs. It didn't work at all and made absolutely no sense, they were at odds with each other. I didn't get any reasoning other than the live changes were somewhere between mine and what the 'community wanted'. I wasn't bothered about what went live being mine, but what did was nonsensical to me. Some good stuff has come to CSGO though, but it's just not something I'm really interested in any more. Keeping an eye on it, however ;)
2015-12-18 23:40
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#273
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United Kingdom zb_j3di
Pros are very bad at describing their suggestions, someone who can speak both languages would be an asset.
2015-12-18 00:25
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#274
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Poland olahdrol
Good job Valve.
2015-12-18 00:26
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#284
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World Antifrag
"By hiring experts to give input on updates" Certainly not. At least not anything regarding gameplay. Unless these "experts" are active pro players.
2015-12-18 01:45
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by definition experts are pros or ex tier 1 pros. striker is just to dumb to get it.
2015-12-18 13:40
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#285
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France Innocent_fr
There are other forums such as Reddit, but we've learned that they rarely react to it, either because the presentation is jibberish or the ideas given aren't in line with their thinking or for any other reason. bullshit. Reddit>hltv>>>>>Steam forums Steam forums is a cesspit of hate and racism where the only thing people post is complaints about bans. Hltv is not much better. Reddit is by far the best and most civilised place to discuss the game, and the devs do join in every now and then.
2015-12-18 02:07
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valve dont give a fuck
2015-12-18 02:39
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#288
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Brazil FeL1Pe
Thorin is not an expert, sorry volvo.
2015-12-18 02:40
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no, he is. he is an expert in autism.
2015-12-18 13:39
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#289
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nylon | 
Netherlands offroad
Lurpiss an expert?
2015-12-18 02:40
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#290
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Portugal ryndzoff
PBE idea is great...but ofc only use by active skilled players and former professional players that are very active in CS:GO. People must understand that not everyone should be able to use PBE, as I said before, only very active+skilled players should be able to use it. It is also needed people that have a lot of CS years in their shoulders, which means that they know what they are talking about. Sorry about my English, isnt the best1 :/
2015-12-18 02:51
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#294
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Vietnam duydangle
I think public beta is not available cause it will effect market price :D.
2015-12-18 03:29
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#295
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United States gotrice541
Maybe valve can stop depending on statistics on weapon balancing. That's how they end up ruining the game even more.
2015-12-18 03:45
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#299
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Europe TEEZY
*M4A4...
2015-12-18 05:56
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WarOwl reads and comments on the statement by valve on the rollback: youtube.com/watch?v=2jzw0bw4aCk
2015-12-18 08:38
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stopped reading at "By: Striker" hltv again top kek parody "news"
2015-12-18 08:42
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#313
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North America Foxaika
This seemed more like an editorial rather than a news article. Though I'm not sure HLTV distinguishes between the two in any way.
2015-12-18 08:45
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yeah, striker and his opinion about csgo. lmao. he is a guy who called NEO an idiot. some 20 yo 3rd worlder without proper English. random dude on hltv forum is a bigger expert then striker who has only basic education. this "news" with shitload of ads about betting skins around is a top kek hltv in a nutshell. mental 12yo attempting to "troll". after quoting thorin im almost sure striker is autistic too. rip my acc. now striker will ban me for telling the truth to compensate for his rl failures. maybe lurpis was autostic but at least he was a legit expert. now without lurpis hltv is pure cringe.
2015-12-18 13:38
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Actually, I will ban you for having about 15 multiaccounts. Also, stop spreading lies about me, thanks.
2015-12-18 16:02
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#316
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United States brieN
wrote a blog on top 5 things that should be remedied but it is too long for comment so here is a short version. TL:DR I'm a butt hurt 1.6 player and I wrote a novel explaining my woes that will never happen. 1- make awp like awp in beta to make more viable and diversify game. 2- Make m4a1s w/30 round mag and revert nerfs to balance CT side 3- Make wallbanging consistent and worth doing to increase skill cap and complexity. 4-Make consistent mag number for each category of gun/allow buying of mags to balance guns. 5-Add 128 tic servers for consistent gameplay and increase average skill level.
2015-12-18 09:47
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#317
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World staramper
i mean that graph is funny but it's now at the opposite end after the m4a1 nerf. M4a4 reigns supreme in usage
2015-12-18 09:48
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#318
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Finland coswell
Would be nice to see Valve implement a lot of different aspects from LoL: Things which are outside the game, just to make CSGO feel more professional. PBE would benefit Valve and the CSGO community in making CSGO bigger, but clearly Valve does not want to expand the group of people who know about new updates. The updates always come by surprise and its nothing like anyone could have imagined. I think that draws in a lot of people to try the game when its updated (even if the numbers diminish fast after a bad update). I feel like Valve won't listen to majority of the comments made by the community until the CSGO community stops being like the comments above (and below): Childish, troll-like.
2015-12-18 10:02
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#320
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GeT_RiGhT | 
Sweden Extremaz
there is no M4A1 in the game. There is a M4A4 and a M4A1-S ...
2015-12-18 11:17
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Push right click button and tada! :M4a1..
2015-12-18 18:38
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#322
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Denmark ThorinsWife
"help from henryG" - the person who said that the R8 patch was a good idea because it forces teams to think in new ways and adapt.... BS.
2015-12-18 11:59
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#323
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Macau tarpenseen
Thorin expert? Guy who probably played 10 games max in his life, and his buddy Richard who was master guardian will help to improve this game. In that case, its better to ask reddit for advice instead of Thorin
2015-12-18 12:38
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#325
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Sri Lanka khorkalba
Thorin is someone who still thinks the AWP nerf was a bad idea, in spite of the fact that players like Guardian have still managed to dominate with the weapon in 2015, and only mediocre players like JW have suffered a bit. I'm not sure i'd want him deciding what is / isn't OP in the game.
2015-12-18 13:17
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#324
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World dqweqweqwe
stopped reading after "henryG" would be helpful. TOPKEK HLTV
2015-12-18 12:43
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#326
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France pangu
lol
2015-12-18 13:26
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#327
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Portugal picc
"We should probably include rank limits in there as well, to have a certain standard of skill and knowledge within the PBE. Plus the experts that I mentioned above to have a little more depth." But I think that's one of biggest problems. They don't want that. They don't want a game that is made for competitive play, they want a game for casuals, that is also an esport. They want to please 2 different populations, which often are opposites, in order to make the most amount of money. If all they cared about was esports, all the bullshit we deal with all the time would be easily fixable, but the problem is that what the pros and experienced players want is not always what the guy with 200h that played CoD wants before wants. Valve tries to please both, and fucks up everytime.
2015-12-18 13:27
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#330
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Poland lunesco
PBE is needed
2015-12-18 13:40
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#338
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Albania rainycsgo
FIX FPS DROPS PLEASE VALVE
2015-12-18 13:45
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#341
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apEX | 
Lithuania Screwn
P90 ??? (PRO90) :D
2015-12-18 13:59
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#348
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France Keirt
csgo 2 soon..
2015-12-18 15:41
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#352
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Europe GildzZ
Where is nuke and tuscan volvo!?
2015-12-18 16:28
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striker strikes a strike
2015-12-18 19:48
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#356
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k0nfig | 
World R4ZV1
henryG helpful, ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
2015-12-18 19:52
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#357
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North America oldshoe
Valve needs a VIABLE beta branch where sweeping changes and incremental changes both can be playtested properly. this kind of shit might fly with no-competitive-scene TF2, but Valve needs to realize that the golden age of CS can be brought to a screeching halt with a few bad updates in a row.
2015-12-18 21:05
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#363
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World lydim
this post is CANCER
2015-12-19 02:16
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#377
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Sweden DoXeNpw
Just let the pros and expert have closer contact with Valve. This community have shown what they are capable of.
2015-12-20 14:17
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#366
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Finland needHalp
pure bullshits , tnx for wasting my time
2015-12-19 07:09
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#378
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Poland micronn
PBE should be from release of the game but it's better now then never. Would like to be PBE player.
2015-12-20 14:38
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#380
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Brazil RatusNatus
Please valve don't listen the PROs. They really don't give a shit about this game. That's why they didn't migrate from 1.6. I can imagine those players playing 1.6 at 144hz with R9 390x.
2015-12-20 22:21
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#385
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Germany slixUK
nice volvo
2015-12-24 15:40
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#386
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Bosnia and Herzegovina popovichh
PBE is not a must in my book, but feedback from more experienced people in the community would definitely be something we should demand at this point. It doesn't take away from Valve's "time" and it doesn't require any additional resources (game developers are particularly sensitive to this). I think it doesn't take any data to realize that 1 body shot - 1 kill is completely ridiculous from a pistol, considering that only other weapon that can do that is a sniper rifle at the top of the weapon hierarchy. Mere common sense should've been enough to prevent that mistake. But hey, we're not here to judge. As for the future, just let sensible and knowledgeable people play the prospective new patch for a bit and listen to what they have to say. That's all. I don't think that's too much to ask, is it?
2015-12-25 12:54
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