Dragon won by ghosting?

26-10-2008 23:00

World e-Sports Masters kicked off today in Hangzhou, China – Victories for mTw, mousesports and Dragon.

The first day at the World e-Sports Masters kicked off with Warcraft 3, the Counter-Strike 1.6 teams should enter the tournament in the evening. Opening the Counter-Strike tournament should be the Chinese hope from wNv, taking on the Danes from mTw. The Chinese did however not stand a chance against the KODE5 and ESWC Masters champions. The Danes won their first group stage match with 16:5 and will tomorrow be facing e-STRO.

World e-Sports MastersBest of 0

mTw

Matchpage

26th October 2008

TyLoo.raw

Inferno

Up next should be the Global Challenge Dubai and Global Challenge Montreal winners, as mousesports faced fnatic in a European clash. A very close match on train, ended with the Germans pulling out victorious with a 16:14 win.

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mousesports

Matchpage

26th October 2008

fnatic

Train

Third match of the day should be SK Gaming taking on e-STRO in the second match of group A. The two met last time at the ESWC 2008 grand finals, where the Koreans could close a win against the Swedes with a 16:11 win. The Swedes did not get a win this time neither as the teams tied up 15:15, splitting the points.

World e-Sports MastersBest of 0

SK Gaming

Matchpage

26th October 2008

WeMade FOX

Inferno

Last match of the day saw MYM taking on Dragon. A match that MYM should be able to win, without too much trouble. The match did however not go as 97% users on the site predicted. MYM ran into a offensive terrorist play from Dragon on train, who won the first half with 11:4. Even though MYM was able to play a decent terrorist side, it was simply not enough, as Dragon got the five needed rounds to secure a 16:12 victory.

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Frag eXecutors

Matchpage

26th October 2008

SYUnited

Train

The Chinese did however receive a warning during the first half, due to ghosting. Here is what MYM manager Ronnie “TwAizZ” Jelsbak said after that match:

"Well, really bad experience today playing Dragon, unfortunately the stage is made in a way, so when you are sitting in front, and looking back on your own players behind you, you can see the 2 players from the other team sitting on top, and several times I caught 2 of the Dragon players looking at our 2 top screens, and giving info, which was not all. Several of the players took off their headphones when they died, so they could hear the Chinese commentators, and still give info to their team mates. After complaining about it 3 or 4 times in the first half, finally the admins saw it for them self and gave Dragon a warning, but unfortunately it was too late for us to get back in the game."

Tomorrow the second round of the group stage will be played, once again with a total of four matches.

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Note that there will NOT be any HLTV available. The WEM organization will not allow us to connect HLTV's and broadcast the matches. We however choose to make the matchpages, so you guys can bet and discuss the matches as always.
Instead of HLTV there will be some livestreams, we will do our best to include the livestreams here on our page. If that is not possible, we will link to them from here.

We will update our coverage section with results and standings during the entire event, and should demos be released by the organizers, we will add them right away.

best game for me SK vs eSTRO

2008-10-26 23:02

Pretty sad what happend to MYM! Realy! Surprising outcomes too!

2008-10-26 23:04

omg what happened to MYM is just unbelievable... Well, here is what happen when playing in China against dishonnest Chinese teams I guess.

2008-10-26 23:09

6 replies

watch your language..You are not mym!You dut know exactly what happened.Dragon players only turned back cheering up with other team-mates only when they won the round(s)... It's funny to look for excuses every time when you lose a game. mym lost a game to dragon on dust2 in E-star.....MYM is good ,but not too good to be undefeatable.

2008-10-27 05:25

1 reply

ìf they were only cheering then why did they get a warning ;)?

2008-10-27 17:27

MYM is not defeatable, not to say that Dragon had already won them at e-stars in Korea. I like MYM too but I donnot like MYM's manager's behavior. He kept looking at fnatic's side while playing against fnatic, what can you explain?

2008-10-27 13:51

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First of all, i dont speak to the players during the match, sens i do not speak polish everyone would understand what i where to say. Sekund of all, from where the manager is standing on the stage, you can not see any of the other players screens. And last, there was 2 ekstra admins today, just outside the straming picture keeping an eye on the front row players and managers. So plz dont talk about stuff you dont know anything about :)

2008-10-27 16:39

yeah but right now all of us dont know what really happened during the match if we believe what u said then why dont i believe what dragon said?

2008-10-28 07:36

leave ur email silentspirit :D

2008-10-28 08:06

strange that last couple of tournament's have MYM always "things" to say about unfair way of losing matches...

2008-10-26 23:12

8 replies

Well, a fucked up computer at Global Challenge, and even the crowd in China noticed the ghosting Dragon did.

2008-10-26 23:25

7 replies

The point is that dragon played better than them, one thing is ghosting but second the current form. I'm gona sound harsh now, but I can't wait till the poles come here and start moaning.

2008-10-27 02:22

4 replies

mYm = The best team in the world. Dragon = ...Who? Top 50?

2008-10-27 06:02

2 replies

mYm - top 5, dragon ~top 30

2008-10-27 10:15

coL were also ranked 27th when they placed 5th at CPL WINTER.

2008-10-27 12:15

Yeah well, dont like Poland am I right? :) Maybe they were ghosting, maybe not, but truth is that mym lost. If they in fact were ghosting, thats kinda shitty situation, if not... well... :)

2008-10-27 07:39

r u there?or u just heard about it?

2008-10-28 07:37

I am not in China, but I got several sources there.

2008-10-28 11:22

Asian teams are strange, they always do something :D

2008-10-26 23:27

I am very sorry to hear that :(

2008-10-26 23:33

Mr Stalin said " the winner shouldn't be censured"--------so,why mYm can't do like mTw?(wNv is also a chinese team) This is WEM .Here is Asia :D

2008-10-26 23:48

I think MYM in the year they don't want to play, but when comes the ESWC they play like a hell.

2008-10-26 23:51

shame on them

2008-10-26 23:56

11 replies

it is shame, if they did, we r sorry for that. i hope they wont do it again :(

2008-10-27 00:02

10 replies

you need to be 100% sure about what happened to say this,dude...Think before you leap

2008-10-27 05:29

ye.. jus coz dragon beat mYm and they cant bear this and cant face da world , the CRYBABY manager of mYm started giving LAME EXCUSES.. shame on them.. he shud GET A LIFE and accept that they lost to DRAGON^^^ go china go Asia :)

2008-10-27 05:39

you are right, and the warning, was just for fun as well :) If you really have no clue of what you are talking about, mabye you should not talk :)?

2008-10-27 08:59

go on Twaizz, slap him in the face! :D

2008-10-27 10:31

he must be 12, maybe 13..don't mind :)

2008-10-27 16:20

just fuckin shut up patsh-ren0va... twaizz u get a life.. u have lost to dragon and thats the biggest bitter TRUTH.. so ACCEPT IT.. alright !

2008-10-27 20:02

what if the dragon players just wanted to motivate their teammates when they turned their heads around?

2008-10-28 07:40

hahahaha you are really so fare out... The judges of the event gave them a warning after they saw it aswell..

2008-10-27 14:44

Sorry if this is part of your culture but it just seems like nationalism to me but don't be sorry and apologize for something you had nothing to do with.

2008-10-27 10:06

understand. i just dont want foreign people think it's "chinese team's advantage" and look chinese as rascals or something. dragon is really a good team right now, K|ingz, Kangta, 3# are all the top players in china. i hope they can learn from this mistake, and keep getting better.

2008-10-27 20:28

gogo e-STRO

2008-10-27 00:00

SK and fnatic GOGO!

2008-10-27 00:03

lame from dragons

2008-10-27 00:09

lol win thru ghosting, what a shame. stupid kiddies

2008-10-27 00:16

stfu if u dunno the truth :/ poor mYm lost to them .. this is the reason for the manager to give excuses to the world..

2008-10-27 05:41

And the reason they got a warning for doing it?

2008-10-27 07:14

If he has to stfu if he doesn't know what happened, how about you do the same. Unless your the admin speccing down there which i seriously doubt you are. Can't tell people to do one thing and ignore it yourself. Hypocrite.

2008-10-27 08:58

and wtf a warning, that team should be kicked out instantly. apparently never heard of fairplay eh?

2008-10-27 00:17

agree, warning should be taken in case of russian jump or something like that. but they apparently won the game due to playing unfair during the whole match. they deserve to be disqualified or at least the match should be contumated.

2008-10-27 00:26

well the idea of putting 2 players in a upper level is stupid anyway..they should be on a row and face-to-face with the other team. that would prevent these things to happen.

2008-10-27 00:34

dragon deserved the victroy!they had beat mym in seoul .they are one of best teams in china.they just have little change to play with euro teams,if they are in euro,will be a great team in the world. there is china ,home advantage :P

2008-10-27 00:39

They caught them ghosting ;s What a great team :/

2008-10-27 03:18

no cry mym plz thx

2008-10-27 01:29

Yeah, because fair play is such an unfair thing to expect at an event this size.

2008-10-27 09:00

mym fans are again whining.. just open ur eyes, mym is not as powerful as they were, and finding several excuses won't change anything :/

2008-10-27 01:46

GO FRENCH BOY!

2008-10-27 19:00

mYm have won one of the two major events of the year so far. Twice in a row btw. And WCG is coming... so yes, mYm are powerful. In fact, the most powerful modern team with a hatful of biggest titles. Which, however, does not change the fact of slightly exagerating this one case. Dragon played well, mYm didn't play their A game. Ghosting is a disgrace, but still, to be honest, I think they deserved the victory today nonetheless. "3 or 4 times" isn't an excuse good enough for the failed MYM's CT side. Maybe, yeah, maybe, the game could turn another way. But still - Dragon played very well. I hope they learn from this mistake and won't behave so ever in future... Feel sorry for MYM, but with their team spirit they're expected to come on top of even such unpleasant issues..

2008-10-27 02:09

2008-10-27 02:38

dragon deserved to win imho no excuses, and of course no excuses from mym itself

2008-10-27 03:33

didn't u see this during the warmup of the match? no, instead u go whining in the middle of the match? why didn't u asked other computers instead of still playin on stage? and there are referees walking and checking there right? so where are they :} ?

2008-10-27 03:41

why would ghosting be a problem during the warmup?

Really a lame excuse by MYM, if ghosting, why wNv also a chinese team lost with 5-16? MYM, u played really bad at WEM, so dont make any excuse.

2008-10-27 03:53

lol @ you. If wNv didn't cheat, it doesn't mean that Dragons did neither. Dragon are just a crappy team. That's it.

2008-10-27 10:20

2008-10-27 04:03

no hltv........

2008-10-27 04:08

wtf dragon...p$n>sk>mibr>mym...

2008-10-27 05:14

dragon is a lol team... they cant beat mym if they play normally.. dragon r cheaters...

2008-10-27 05:15

lol///mym surely is a very good team ,but it's not that good. Remember Dragon defeated mym in e-star......

Wooooow, the World had seen many f**** up matches. And what You are trying to say is Dragon once won with mYm so there is nothing special about it, but there is. MYM is one of the biggest teams on the planet, lately they've had a great tournament loosing only to incredible Mouz team and Dragons is just one of Asian teams that sticks to homeland tournaments and we don't really know anything about them ( they like to ghost, we know that so far ) and don't say crap like You guys don't know what happened because when admins are giving one of the teams a warning than something is happening.

2008-10-27 10:47

Wow I've seen stupid reasoning but this page is just.. WOW. So what if wNv is also a chinese team? They might not ghost even if they have the chance to, as they are (ok here comes the important part) A GOOD TEAM. Now dragon then. Who are they? Have they ever won anything? They are good probably, top 50 of world, but they are not good like mYm is. They got a warning, I think that alone proves that they were indeed doing something illegal. It's another point completely if that affected the outcome as much as mYm claims but in cs even if you only lose a few rounds at the very wrong time it can screw up your money situation completely so yah. Go away chinese people, your clans have never been and never will be able to do it outside of china. Proven fact.

2008-10-27 06:07

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well, friend, that's only because the chinese teams seldom participate the International Championships, or U will see our power!But I wonder why U spoke with such an unfriendly way, short of education? hahahahaha

2008-10-27 06:32

hmm , stop arguing

2008-10-27 06:40

er , sometimes you can't directly translate chinese into english too :p , sounds a bit weird

2008-10-27 06:38

sry for bad english, but language is only a tool,that's not important,the most important thing is to respect others, right? So can U always smile to a person who is unfriendly to U?

2008-10-27 06:51

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:)"So you can" <-- thats what u mean :D Yea , but language is also a way to show respect as well ^^ so its important :)

2008-10-27 09:33

as long as this was a question,ended by a [?], there's no reason to say "So you can"...in fact this is not a problem of words position but a problem of meaning...get a life and stick to your polish :)

2008-10-27 16:28

Huh? Why Polish? It's not a Polish flag. It's a nationality flag of the Singapore. Shut up and stick to your geography...

2008-10-27 17:50

Hahaha +1 And some people say, that we have low "learning level" in our schools here in Poland :)

2008-10-27 18:22

sry about that

2008-10-28 01:43

Wow, hahaha, that was an epic own goal.

2008-10-27 09:03

yeah at least i think so:D

2008-10-28 08:04

lol ...is korea a part of China ...I wouldn't say so ...neither would the koreans...Dragon defeated mym in Estar,in Korea months ago...YOu'd better go back to school to learn proper behavior

2008-10-27 06:59

Ok how's this: Asian teams have never been able to do it outside of Asia? Makes no difference to my point though, but nt on trying to be a smarta*s anyways =)

2008-10-27 16:13

Just let it go. I meant so be it , things have already happened , can't change the result ..

2008-10-27 06:35

things have happened?what kinda things ?

2008-10-27 08:16

ghosting

2008-10-27 09:41

o.o owned! all i can tell is : pistol 1v2 gunround 3v5 1v4 4kills and couple 2v1 lost by dragon :) tell me about it:D

2008-10-27 06:37

Ghosting hahah dragon xD noobs Cant win

2008-10-27 06:41

sry NEO, i only want to say this. have fun in china.

2008-10-27 07:47

lol shitty event

2008-10-27 08:21

I have to agree.

2008-10-27 09:04

lets see the next match than... If that happend, im sure dragon wont be allowed to do the same again.. so lets see the next matche's result and talk (: that will kinda tell all...

2008-10-27 08:55

Agree :D

2008-10-27 09:30

And so it did :)

2008-10-27 17:22

What ghosting means ? Looking at the oponnents? and speak to your team where they are on the map things like that? (cuz its the firs time i meet this "word")

Screening at people's computers

2008-10-27 09:44

*Sigh*

2008-10-27 09:06

respect the players,especially the teams you dont know like Dragon..this time accept the truth,ppl

2008-10-27 09:23

As long as there is an official warning that's clear to me, Dragon didn't play fare. ONE single round could affect the game further on, you all know that! MYM does not need to play their "A game" to win over Dragon, come on...!

2008-10-27 09:24

Yooy (: I think theres nothing more we should add.. ok ?

2008-10-27 09:31

MYM still can win the cup so keep focus and play hard !

2008-10-27 09:27

mouz will win the event :D

2008-10-27 09:29

MYM not all lose!!MYM is get tired after dubai if with mouz been play on nuke I think MYM win Remember as Sk on one tournament showed good game but on next lose So time all said

2008-10-27 09:40

Yea mYm players were tired , maybe i guess Dragon was more prepared and were more energized for this game

stfu ;x Dragon will not go out from the group so i take a shit about that what were they doing... mYm has now bad time maybe and screw that. Dragon defeated mYm , cool , but mYm is still better team. They had a warning thats a fact and dont defend them. Again congratulations to Dragon team , train more and maybe they will win something ;x. p.s mouz will win , they are on fire :(

2008-10-27 09:45

gl mousesports | gob b gl SK | Tentpole gl e-STRO | hee

2008-10-27 09:55

fucking dragons !!!

2008-10-27 10:02

Guys,CS is just a game,I'm very glad to talk with everyone here,we all love this game,love our team,It's just a guessing on Dragon ghosting,whatever happened the result cant be changed ,so let's watch the next matches, I;m poor in English , sry

2008-10-27 10:12

U've a point, but things like that really piss people off so if you're going to try to calm down the crowd you are not going to succeed. Sry :(

2008-10-27 10:22

I got some news,next time DRAGON use some special skills yes you didnt hear wrong, they will use x-ray ligth which is shown the find exact point all players in the maps during the match..this skill come inside from them, it's a gift from GOD so we cant blame them for this ,thank you..

2008-10-27 10:25

And the most funny thing is the fact that there's no hltv provided :D I think that there's sth fishy going on :P go mYm !

2008-10-27 10:54

Didn't something happen with MYM and a server pause? And it was deemed unfair in MYM's favour. Someone explain because then that would make things even

2008-10-27 11:45

so thats why i think LUq said gg ingame after a few rounds ;]

2008-10-27 11:52

It's typical in azia it's allways crap there. They allways need to do something against the rules... How come this doesn't happen with any other team that comes from any other part of the world? And no HLTV cough why ? hax! says enough they should kick Dragon period..

2008-10-27 11:55

do u know what is called money concerned? hltv is free and selling broadcasting right earns money, do some homework then speak.everybody prefers hltv but do we have a choice?

2008-10-27 14:05

if it´s true it´s really sad :(

2008-10-27 11:59

Can this get even worse? no hltv , bad setup of teams, live stream in chinese (where I can't get on ) ..

2008-10-27 12:02

china has always cheated in every sport. Badminton, table tennis gymnastics... where's the surprise.

2008-10-27 12:05

no!

2008-10-27 13:15

Chinese cheat to win the game while you don't, nice logic, lol

2008-10-27 14:07

Omg this is a little bit childish don´t you think? Ghosting on such a big event. I don´t think there should be something like "warning" - just 16:0 for MYM and that´s all, they will never do it again.

2008-10-27 12:31

Something is sure it's that the comuters position is fucked up ahahahahaha they could put them like in the last edition behind glasses or make a better position for computers like normal lan that sux. And the guys who says dragon top30 ? or whatever Asian guys have a monster skill they are robot ahahaa and on maps like D2 the best tactics are made by teams like eSTRO or wNv :)

2008-10-27 13:16

Dragon won by ghosting??no !! you see wNv.cn!!

2008-10-27 13:19

Bringing countries and racism into it doesn't help, but if they won by ghosting then the match should be replayed.

2008-10-27 13:25

wierd tournament. No hltv :/

wtf means ghosting in cs? wall hack or what?

2008-10-27 13:34

Ghosting means they are looking at screen at the rival team.

2008-10-27 13:58

Team Dragon is formed by former players of wNv and X7-gaming, they are not nobody thanks.

2008-10-27 14:11

then why do they need to look at their rival's screens? that makes them nobodys

2008-10-27 14:26

agreed..

2008-10-27 14:41

In my opinion, mYm is the best team in the world even if my favourite is mTw.dk,because mYm has a lot of victories this year. and Dragon is a top20 team...so, even if MYM lost right or Dragon cheated[trick] ,mym is the best team in the world :P

2008-10-27 14:34

Really crappy tournament imo. Breaking the rules, not allowing hltv, what are you doing WEM?

2008-10-27 14:52

Comments in English only please. Thank you. Insults etc. (not complying with English only) = Ban

respect mah authoritah!

2008-10-27 14:56

If everyone respects each other it is fine too ;)

2008-10-27 14:59

I think that this match should be repeaded

next time they need to make the stage alot diffrent,, twaizz nice that u got them ghosting,, and all of u that are saying that hes just making excuse and so on because hes team lost ? what about the warning? twaizz is a respekteble man:D why the hell would he lie? lol ? twaizz gl til jer til eventet! play fair chinesee people go go!,, gl med eventet igen twaizz!!!:P:P

2008-10-27 15:03

English only please.

2008-10-27 15:21

Bah, they are not a bad team. It's acceptable to be beaten by them, IF THEY WERE NOT GHOSTHING. But why the hell would MYM's manager lie about that? MYM doesn't need it, they're 2 times World Champions. It's sad to see (professionals?) players doing it. :S

2008-10-27 15:14

but now it is done so... let's see the next match... mYm is going to win so... they are going to own Mouz and Fnatic, no problem for them... If they play good, they can win against all the team! Come on mYm, come on...

2008-10-27 15:31

ok Mym it is over... pity but it will be for the next time!! come on fnatic now!!

2008-10-27 15:35

only watching to the screen of other players that chineses wins chineses = bots :D GO MYM

2008-10-27 15:47

"Dragon" players are too low experienced to win anything without cheating

2008-10-27 16:07

what about the teams in your country?

2008-10-28 07:53

In my opinion judge should delete match and they should play it one more time not only have "warning" -.- . This time screens should be placed safely far from each other team and play hard pro!

2008-10-27 16:30

C'mon guys, if they were caught cheating (because ghosting is a way of cheating) they should 've been descualified instantly...

2008-10-27 17:11

No, as i say they got a warning. Even thoug the head admin saw them ghosting.

2008-10-27 17:21

ghosting is ghosting,but it doesnt mean one has to give any imformation to his teammates

2008-10-28 07:55

Yes that is just want it means, if you dont give/use info you are not ghosting ;)

2008-10-28 09:38

forgive his speakless english, he meant: warning is warning.ghosting is ghosting. The warning was given by the Korean head admin who's being an admin for 6(+?) years. And the reason is players from dragon typing to each other after died. Its not like what the manager from MYM said: ghosting.

2008-10-28 14:17

Dude? im the manager of mym, i think im pretty sure what happend :)

2008-10-28 20:36

did judges were chinese?...

2008-10-27 17:29

images.fragbite.com/img.archives/wem2008.. shit setup

2008-10-27 17:47

images.fragbite.com/img.archives/wem2008%2Fdag1/DSC01631.JPG

2008-10-27 18:08

omg is that the setup of the match? that just sucks...

2008-10-28 16:02

I am adressing this to the chinnese guys.It's a real; fact I like China u know:) If you will have the experience of a lan and see at least for 1 round how frustrating it is to turn around and see the team ghosting you'll know what MYM's manager tried to point out.It has psyhological impacts in that game to know that you are not treated equally with your adversaires.Only by knowing this it decreases your morale and if you see the enemy always knows where you are you kind off quit trying to win...Sorry for bad english I hope I made my point clear to you ...peace:)

2008-10-27 17:49

Very bad tournament!

2008-10-27 18:05

it's a damned business :( sad to see how dirty might be some kind of [e]sports.. sounds like soccer or whatever other sport where business comes more important than [e]sports. that's true money moves the world and can change judge opinion.. the match really should be re-played or just top clans shouldn't partecipate anymore to those events.. heh easy to say hard to do

fk up event thats all to say first no hltv then this whats next ? dragon win this lan wtf

2008-10-27 18:23

event is bad but live = money money :D

2008-10-27 18:33

screw Dragon :-j they`re some stupid chinese with glasses and they "are playing cs " :|

2008-10-27 22:41

1st go and watch yourself in the mirror then speak about them !

2008-10-28 05:50

I think you are tlaking about e-stro. None of Dragon member wears glasses. And yeah, talking shit on HLT.org is a smart, thats excatly why they put country's flag in front of your name, which represnts your country,kid! #155 ni ye lai pao hltv.org :o

2008-10-28 13:29

china failed with dragon on the same train loll

2008-10-27 22:56

Cheating = fail. Cheaters = losers. Verdict = MYM wins. Thank you for attention.

2008-10-28 16:14

Is it so f*cking hard to put a wall up between the teams to avoid a stupid, stupid situation like this?! No players should be able to hear any commentator or any player from the opposing team at any point. To be able to see the opponents screens is just outright ridicolous :/ - wynn

2008-10-31 14:27

This is really a shame on all tournaments that are taking place in China in the future. Ghosting has really been an issue for all Chinese tournaments, so they really should reinforce their admins crew. With more "security" that they really aren't ghosting or doing anything suspicious overall would be splendid. And that has really worked for all the other tournaments so far, or most of them.

2008-10-31 14:40

Dragon won by ghosting?

Learn what is happening - and why.