ESL announce ENC prize distribution

29-3-2010 22:12

It has been two months since the Electronic Sports League announced the whopping €120,000 prize pool for this year's edition of European Nations Championship. Today they unveil the distribution.

With much help from ASUS, the Electronic Sports League's new head sponsor, they are able to announce the biggest prize pool of the European Nations Championship up to date. Here is the Counter-Strike 1.6 genre:

Counter-Strike 1.6, male	Counter-Strike 1.6, female
1st - 6000 Euro	1st - 3500 Euro
2nd - 3000 Euro	2nd - 1700 Euro
3rd - 2000 Euro	3rd - 1200 Euro
4th - 1200 Euro	4th - 700 Euro
5th/6th - 500 Euro	5th/6th - 500 Euro
7th/8th - 300 Euro	7th/8th - 300 Euro
9th/10th - 200 Euro	9th/10th - 200 Euro
11th/12th - 100 Euro	11th/12th - 100 Euro

In total, 64,500 Euro has been spread over six disciplines. The remaining 55,000 Euros will be handed out during this season's offline events.

how many euro in last year for 1st?

2010-03-29 22:15

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4.000 (male)

2010-03-29 22:22

good prize :D

2010-03-29 22:19

6000 and 3500 hmmmm

2010-03-29 22:19

Girls are not worth that much HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH :D

2010-03-29 22:22

45 replies

haha :P

2010-03-29 22:23

Why do you think so?

2010-03-29 22:30

43 replies

Take it easy , it was just a little joke:P

2010-03-29 23:03

4 replies

I know that, but for me it's not funny at all, sounds like women discriminating ;>

2010-03-29 23:07

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Discriminate is always good reason to joke , that's why it happens so often:D

2010-03-29 23:09

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Joke is a good joke when it's witty and funny, no matter what the topic is. I personaly like offensive comedy but this wasn't witty neither funny.

2010-03-30 11:24

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Actually nothing said about the quality of this joke.Just people sometimes take those funny or stupid jokes too serious :)

2010-03-30 14:35

Why should women have special treatmeant? Think about that one. They should compete like everyone else in 1.6 without male/female. They dont deserve that large amount of prize money based on their current skill.

2010-03-29 23:10

37 replies

A special treatment? So maybe look at the other sports? Like athletics? There is male/female and nobody has a problem with that...

2010-03-29 23:15

34 replies

but in cs girls have no physical handicaps

2010-03-30 00:21

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Girls have played chess separately since they have played it. But yes, about genders equality it's kind of strange.. always, if we talk about wars, they say, "there were some victims, who were children and women", or if the ship is sinking, then children and women must be rescued before. And they're talking about having same rights and stuff.. they've got enough! But about e-sports, YES, girls must have separate competition.

2010-03-30 14:33

I think they do, I just don't know what. I guess there's a reason why girls can't compete with boys when it comes to CS.

2010-05-01 15:56

Nice comparation there! There are no benefits for being a man in CS.

2010-03-30 00:28

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Yeah... When i'm comparing sport to the esports u say that is wrong... but i think 90% of you wants to esport be a part of normal sport. I'm done, have a nice day :) ps. and don't get me wrong, it's only my point of view.

2010-03-30 07:55

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It doesn't matter if we want it to be a normal sport, that's completely besides the point. The fact remains, that there are NO handicaps for women in eSport so there shouldn't be sepparate tournaments. The reason why there are sepparate tournaments however, is that female CS attracts a lot of publicity and sponsormoney,so in that sense it's okay i guess, since that will benefit male eSport as well. But besides being a regular cashcow, there is no reason to divide the two. Female CS players are shit, and that's solely due to a lack of commitment, since they have the exact same terms as men and the exact same potential. Therefore I think it's ridiculous to award them for it.

2010-03-30 10:26

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Alrighty then! :O eot...

2010-03-30 11:13

I think you never read anything about differences in male and female reflexes and manual advantages. Read something about it first. That's why men are better racing drivers, pilots or otherwise. Where reflexes and concentration matters the most. It's our evolutionary upperhand. So I think woman deserve some handicap.

2010-03-30 11:22

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Please find me a link to a study that supports your claim of superior reflexes. The reason for men's superiority in the fields you mention has to do with a better spatial and mathematical ability, plus better distant vision and depth perception, not because they have better reflexes.

2010-03-30 12:01

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You get all your data from the net?! I've read about it in a "BOOK" know what that is?! Letters on a pieces of paper. Plus you don't need abnormal mathematical knowledge to be a great race driver or pilot. It's more physics than mathematics and when you're on a track it doesn't matter. check if any of worlds top drivers have a masters in mathematics. You just need to know how a car reacts in the corners and how to cut them. How to use the clutch and double-clutching. How fast after breaking open the throttle and so on. And all those things are a matter of reflexes. And I've never seen any study that man have better long distance vision than woman.

2010-03-30 12:23

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If it's a scientific fact, you can surely find it on the net. The vast majority of studies done today are pusblished on the net, so simply claiming you read it in a book frankly seems like another way of saying you can't find proof of your claim. Here's a little info on reflexes: Reflex is a measure of how quickly a person exhibits a conditioned response to a stimulus or command. These reactions are inherent in our brain chemistry and based on past experience and inherited traits and can be altered by chemical or physical adaptations. You can not say that either sex is better or faster at any given response. As for the vision, here's an example of an article supporting that claim: www.steadyhealth.com/articles/Difference_between_male_and_female_structures__mental_and_physical__a613_f0.html

2010-03-30 12:35

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It's a problem with people like you. If something isn't online it can't be legit when it's the other way around. I can't give a source online cause I never checked it online. I just read a book stating that womans brain interprets informations longer thus the reaction takes longer. So you prove your claim by an online abstract article made by a nutrisionist. Sorry but she's not a specialist. Find the same argument made by a neurologist and I won't argue it.

2010-03-30 12:54

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Her article is based on other sources, which are also available at the link. And I'm not saying it can't be legit if it isn't online, but this is a discussion on the internet, and therefore it's ridiculous to post claims that you can't back up and expect people to believe you. Knowing how reflexes work and what influences them, I can safely say that it's bullshit to say that there's a difference between male and females. You can't even supply an author to this book you claim to have read, so how am i supposed to believe you?

2010-03-30 12:57

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Ah great argument. So when we talk offline were not allowed to use online arguments? COme on how old are you?! The author was Matthew MacDonald I think. Go google it.

2010-03-30 13:13

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Stop misinterpreting me on purpose thanks. I'm saying that when you pose a claim, you usually have to back it up and since were on the internet i can't read any book you might have, therefore it's useless as sourcematerial. And quite frankly, questioning my age is childish and moronic, and only serves to weaken your own credibility. Matthew MacDonald is a developer, author, and educator in all things Visual Basic and .NET. How would he know anything about neurologi and genetics?

2010-03-30 13:26

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Your inability of reading the book doesn't mean the argument is unexistent. It just means you're not familiar with it, it's not my fault. By the way there are more than one MacDonald in the world. I'm talking about neurosurgeon from Australia.

2010-03-30 13:33

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You don't get my point do you? My point is that it's invalid in an argument where you can't present it to the opposing side. If you can't see that, I really can't be arsed to continue this, because then you're clearly lacking any sort of common sense.

2010-03-30 18:35

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And you have a problem with logic. Existence of an empirical proof can't be inclosed by your lack of familiarity of it. It's like we have a face to face discussion about a certain topic and I quote a certain book and you dismiss it cause you haven't read it. And that's just stupid.

2010-03-30 19:49

And believe it or not, figuring out how and when to cut a corner/brake is also a calculation based on situational conditions of the track and car and so forth.

2010-03-30 12:40

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Oh please don't lecture me about driving I took part in Peugeot and youth rallies since I was 18. Distance isn't as important as It appears that's why rallie drivers have pilots to help the estimate the distance.

2010-03-30 12:53

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Distance isn't important? Haha okay. An the fact that you participated in rallies doesn't really say anything, since it's an automated calculation your brain performs and therefore not readable or recognizable as such by the driver himself.

2010-03-30 12:59

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Oh my. Track drivers do tens of laps before they participate. Until then it's a mechanical proccess. You don't estimate, you don't think you do. You repeat every sequence in proper order. And race off track drivers have specified information about distance, cuts and corners in their ear non stop so they just drive. They visit every SS and sequence it meter by meter, the memorize it and they estimate so they don't have to do it when they drive it.

2010-03-30 13:10

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Formula 1 drivers don't have people telling them distance etc. in their ears all the time, and sure they know the track like their own backpocket, but that doesn't change the fact that they have to factor in the condition of track, tires, brakes and so forth, since those can vary a great deal from race to race and from lap to lap.

2010-03-30 13:19

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Have you even read what I posted there?! Track, off track, get the difference?! Check how many laps a driver does on F1 track during the weekend. Then check for how long this track has been in the track rotation. Then multiply the amount and finally you'll get that almost every driver who has been in F1 for few years drove every track few hundred times in different weather and technical conditions.

2010-03-30 13:24

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You oversimplify it, and of course they've driven it in a multitude of conditions, but if you feel your tires are at a lower temperature than they should be, going into a corner the driver will using his own judgement when determining how to cut it and when to brake etc. You're completely trivialising driver skill and talent, which is pretty damn ridiculous.

2010-03-30 13:31

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hahaha. and you're talking about something you've got no idea about. I'm not simplifying anything. Of course you need a great amount off skills to even take off ina a 600 pounds of torque car. Or can double corner while driving 140 km/h. But when you obtain certain driving skills, when you get use to your cars behaviuor, when you know the track as the back of your hand the most important things is to stay consistent and make as little mistakes as possible. And whoever makes the least finishes on top. Just take a look at F1 drivers they're pretty close in terms of skills. Only thing that differentiates them is the performance of the car.

2010-03-30 13:40

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You're still not understanding very much of what I've said it seems. It's true that it's often a matter of making the fewest mistakes, but the mistakes you DO make are based on the driver's own judgment-calls and times where he miscalculated etc. so you're really not saying anything that changes what i said. Just take a look at F1 drivers they're pretty close in terms of skills. Only thing that differentiates them is the performance of the car. That's just stupid. Of course the performance of the car plays a big role, but that's far from the only thing that differentiates their performances.

2010-03-30 18:41

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Oh man. Get in a remotely sports car and visit some semi professional track and you'll know what it's all about. And it's niot about long distance vision. By the way do you know who won Formula 1 last season?! When you do check his final position and team the year before. Incredible skill increase in one season...I hate when people that never drove a sport car on a track talk about racing.

2010-03-30 19:42

no handicaps for women ? are you kidding dude ? they have to spend HUGE amounts of time shopping for new clothes, they only have half a brain, and they don't have penises. I think that's pretty hardcore to deal with when you wanna become good at CS.

2010-03-30 13:03

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i shouldnt have laughed, but it was funny

2010-03-30 13:29

Guys have better reflex then girls? But hey you don't use reflexes in CS :OOOOOOOOOOOO

2010-03-30 16:02

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Any evidence for that claim? No? Good, didn't think so.

2010-03-30 18:42

You picked the wrong place to share Your point of view. People here rage each other for their point of view. And my opinion is that female CS doesn't get the same amount of support and that's why it's underpayed in consideration with female CS. I'm not saying it's a good thing but that's how it is. But...if we want more woman to boost up the scene, and rise the level of comptetition sponsors should increase those awards and make it professional player friendly.

2010-03-30 11:30

in athletics they dont get payed halve of what the male get in some sports (where they arent halve as good, as it is here). so agree @ vladimir about the special treatment @ this particular event. but its only a few tournaments for them each year so on the other hand it is fair when you take that into account.

2010-03-30 09:33

u got a point there...also few teams means more chances for those who are playing anyway i think 3500 euros are k ^^ so gogo girl lets see some ti... good gamessssss :D

2010-03-30 02:12

. +1

2010-03-30 04:31

Looks pretty nice! :-]

2010-03-29 22:27

niice =)

2010-03-29 22:29

Make it 1st cs 1.6 female 100 Euro and add the rest to the men

2010-03-29 22:29

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imo money should be divided equally among males and females...

2010-03-29 22:35

8 replies

You are so right what was I thinking saying this

2010-03-29 22:37

girls are only for sponsors, men are for show

2010-03-29 22:40

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men are better, i know that, but girls have their own game style and i like to watch their matches, so i don't think "chicks" are only for sponsors :) not for me.

2010-03-29 22:51

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Are you kidding? I've watched female teams compete as well, and they don't have a unique gamestyle at all. Unless "Clueless" is a gamestyle...

2010-03-30 10:28

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haha xD

2010-03-30 13:05

why should it be equal? arguements pls ;D i guess the male teams are focusing much more on "cs as their passion / job / whatever". I´m really drunken, but thats not changing my mind at all :D

2010-03-30 04:36

no it shouldnt. its only fair that the people giving the best entertainment gets the most prize money.

2010-03-30 11:28

nobody even watching HLTV !!! WHEN girls are playing!!!!! am"i right????

2010-03-30 14:12

Counter-Strike 1.6, male N1 Poland :) Counter-Strike 1.6, female N1 FRANCE :)

2010-03-29 22:36

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POLAND? no!!!!! NA'vi!!!!!!! yes!!!!! =]

2010-03-30 14:14

Pus, I see u put ur work @ first place and treat rly serious :D Keep going! gj.

2010-03-29 22:38

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Hehe thanks. I have great teachers. :o)

2010-03-29 22:56

highest amount of cash in this ENC and prize increase only 20%? come on

2010-03-29 22:38

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Yeah , I also thought that it'll be at least 2x more for CS 1.6 Male , (;

2010-03-29 22:43

is 6000 euro alot? can someone put it in possession's perspective please.

2010-03-29 22:45

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6,000.00 EUR = 8,258.88 CAD

2010-03-29 23:20

It kinda depends on wich country you live in. Things cost 4 times more(maybe more?)in Norway, than in Poland. No offence, Poles. I was just giving an example.

2010-03-30 04:18

imo shouldn't be that much money for female. its an e-Sport... they are all for equality... why should they even have their own special tournament? its not a competition of physical power... its a computer game.

2010-03-29 23:42

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because there is seperated female competition in the every sport in the world :)

2010-03-29 23:54

yeah and then female gamers want equality rofl,equality when its held 2 tournaments ,one for male and one for female,but i dont see them complaining about equality here :=)

2010-03-30 00:42

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hahaha so true

2010-03-30 11:29

it's crazy :P

2010-03-30 02:39

good prizes

2010-03-30 03:24

NICE :D

2010-03-30 07:39

great that female gaming is boosted by this kind of tournaments :)!

2010-03-30 10:43

Too much money for female cs... And male 1. prize has only 2.5k more, omfg. What a friggin joke

2010-03-30 14:47

recently, zAAz said she was OK with the fact that most of the time, girls couldn't play against guys. simply because it makes it much easier to place top3 for them girls, so it's easier money. I guess pretty much all pro girls think the same way. can you imagine where Pink Zinic would place in an all male tournament although they usually place 1st in female tournaments ? ofc it would be fun to watch, and would allow them to kinda improve (although I'm sure they already have plenty of opportunities to play against guys in practice) but money-wise... waste of time for them, and girls mainly play for money, not passion :P

2010-03-30 15:00