DreamHack MSI BEAT IT preview

Who do you think will come out on top in the $30,000 MSI BEAT IT tournament at DreamHack Winter this week? HLTV.org's Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen shares his insight in this article.

With only two more big events left in the calendar for 2011, every top team wants to end the year on a positive note and due to the likes of Na´Vi, mousesports and fnatic not attending World Cyber Games, it is the last chance for some of them to do so.

Teams and group stage

Sweden SK Gaming
The Swedes are coming into this event having won their two last events, ESWC and IEM6 Global Challenge New York. Besides their disappointing campaign at SEC where they lost against eSahara in group stage and then went out against Na´Vi in the quarter finals, the only time they have not won a tournament since the addition of Marcus "Delpan" Larsson was at e-Stars Seoul where they lost the grand final versus AGAiN. They are the clear favorite to win the event and unless their impressive form has somehow dropped in the past few weeks, they will advance as the first seed and be standing on the podium once it's all said and done on Saturday.

Poland AGAiN
Despite a disappointing final placing at MSI BEAT IT Russia this past weekend (surrounded by controversy of the possible ceh9 ghosting) NEO & co have been arguably the second best team in the world in the past six months and even managed to beat SK at e-Stars. Their recent form has been questioned due to losses against mouz at ESWC, DTS in ICSC 9 grand finals and against WinFakt and Na´Vi in Kiev, and one has to wonder if the team might be doubting themselves a little as well. They are still without an organization and possibly financing their trips themselves which I believe will add to their motivation, and I think we will see a much stronger AGAiN in Jönköping and I expect them to cruise into first place in their group with more ease than Swedish fans would expect.

Ukraine Natus Vincere
Na´Vi has been losing too much against their fellow countrymen in the recent months but overall their form has still been good with second places at both SEC and ESWC. They had a disappointing loss against fnatic last weekend and I believe fans are currently underestimating them due to the controversy of ceh9 possibly ghosting in the match against AGAiN, but they would not have jumped into DreamHack at the last minute and into what became by far the hardest group if they didn't feel up to the task. Although cArn's troops managed to beat them last weekend, I think the Ukrainians are still the stronger team overall and will clinch the first place in group C over fnatic and Moscow Five.

Germany mousesports
Ever since Fatih "gob b" Dayik returned from inactivity the German giant has been on the rise which has so far culminated in their third place finish at ESWC over Lions and AGAiN. Luckily for them, unless some major upsets happen they will 'only' have to beat Lions in the group stage and ESC Gaming in the quarter finals to score themselves another top four finish, but that's where it will get tricky as they will likely face one of the world's top three teams; SK, Na´Vi or AGAiN. I do not see them beating any of the above this time, but if they get to face a team like fnatic or Moscow Five instead, we could see them in the finals; I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Sweden fnatic
Since the addition of Michael "Friis" Jørgensen the team has been performing a lot better with a first place at IEM6 Global Challenge Guangzhou and last weekend's second place at MSI BEAT IT Russia under their belts, but they also failed to advance from the group stage at ESWC after a disappointing loss against Alternate and a tie with mousesports. While I do think they belong in next group of teams after the top three, I do think fnatic's organization willl see yet another disappointing finish at DreamHack with losses against Moscow Five and Na´Vi. Unfortunately for them, even finishing second wouldn't help much as they would very likely be up against fellow Swedes SK Gaming in the quarter finals, and we all know how one sided that matchup has been since f0rest and GeT_RiGhT swapped sides.

Denmark Anexis
Anexis hasn't been placing like they hope to despite some solid wins at each of their disappointing tournament runs since joining the organization; they have beaten fnatic in Guangzhou and Na´Vi at ESWC but fallen to surprise teams like eFuture, defs and USSR which has kept them from advancing to bracket play even once. This time won't be much easier as their main AWPer Nuggi won't be attending and they have brought in former mTw star trace as a stand-in. Unfortunately both SK and eSahara will be much more prepared and I believe will end the year on a similar note it all started for the Danes in Kiev ten months ago; disappointment.

Russia Moscow Five
M5 got an ultimatum from their organization after the SEC incident with one of their players showing up drunk to play the event and so far delivered with a first place in Kiev last weekend. They apparently have to place top three in Jönköping to please their bosses, and unfortunately for the Russians I don't see it happening due to their route in the brackets. I do think they will beat fnatic in the group stage, but I don't see them beating Na`Vi who they have consistently dropped games against even after early leads. This will pair them up against SK Gaming in the quarter finals, and although the Swedes have said they do not like playing against M5, I think they will come out on top and knock ED1K's team out a bit earlier than they, and their organiation would hope for.

Sweden Lions
Lions came into ESWC with a lot of promise after beating the likes of fnatic and SK Gaming in the online qualifier but only managed to beat ESC Gaming before AGAiN and mousesports showed them the door for their 5-8th place finish. They are sharing a group with mousesports and two significantly weaker teams who won't pose much opposition to the team built around threat, but I also don't expect them to do much damage beyond that. I think mousesports are stronger as a team than they are and will be able to win their group which would pair Lions up with AGAiN for the quarter finals which is a match up I don't see the Swedes winning. If they were able to upset mouz in group stage they could finish fourth, but I would put my money on them repeating their 5-8th placing from Paris.

France Electronic Sahara
The French have been hyped up a lot thanks to Mickael "mSx" Cassisi returning to activity after having a movie released that definitely woke up all the old mSx fans from the emuLate's glory days. They managed to upset SK Gaming at SEC without their new star player but I think SK will have learned from their mistakes which will force HaRts' team to compete with Anexis for a spot in the top eight. I do think the team in their honeymoon phase with SIXER and mSx will be able to best the Danes, but that won't be enough to make it past the first round of quarter finals where they will (if I'm right) face Na´Vi.

Playoffs

As we already know how the brackets will play out, I will do my best at guessing how the entire tournament will play out. Assuming the group stage finishes like I predicted, the single elimination best-of-three bracket will look like this:

Sweden SK Gaming vs. Russia Moscow Five
Germany mousesports vs. Sweden ESC Gaming
Ukraine Natus Vincere vs. France Electronic Sahara
Poland AGAiN vs. Sweden Lions

A lot of people seem to overlook Moscow Five's wins on de_forge in Kiev as most teams have not practiced the map and will be able to remove it against them at DreamHack, effectively taking their 1-0 map advantage away from them. I don't think they still have what it takes to go up against SK Gaming in a best-of-three, although they can get a very close game out of it. mousesports is a clear favorite over moddii's ESC Gaming and will set up a re-match of the ESWC semi-final between the two. The Germans seem to match up well versus SK but I don't think they have what it takes to best them here so I expect SK Gaming to make finals.

In the lower part I see another semi-final from ESWC being re-played with Na`Vi advancing over Electronic Sahara, even though I do think it could get closer than people think as the Ukrainians used to have trouble with SIXER's team even last year as BURNING with losses at both ESWC and Arbalet Cup Dallas. Much like in the upper part of the bracket, AGAiN is a heavy favorite over Lions and will take the other quarter final with relative ease. The semi-final will not only be a re-match of both ESWC semi-final and the MSI BEAT IT Russia quarter-final, but also carry a lot of added tension thanks to the controvery of possible ghosting last weekend. Na´Vi seems to be in better shape overall though, and I think they will edge out the win in a very close series.

Despite mouz' surprise win over the the team led by kuben at ESWC, I think AGAiN is still the stronger team overall and will surprise their doubters by claiming yet another top three finish to pull them a little further away from the group behind the arguable top three in the world right now that they belong to.

I think the grand finals will be a repeat of ESWC with SK Gaming having a fairly close game against Natus Vincere but pulling away in the end to win yet another title for the team and pretty much cementing their status as the best CS team of 2011, although a win at WCG in two weeks could make it much more impressive.

Who do you think will advance from the groups? Will there be upsets or will the usual suspects end up on the podium? Leave a comment with your predictions on how the tournament will end up!

#1
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France Nicostralia
Go eSahara !!!
2011-11-24 17:19
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Other dhanoo
damn what if TeG just raped everyone :D
2011-11-24 18:02
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Serbia Lola23
EQ is better
2011-11-24 18:22
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gl navi, m5! i hope moskali will take 1st place in group. SK is very bad enemy for them
2011-11-24 17:21
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Portugal jvsonica
fnatic will pass groupstage... they beated navi and m5 just last week, even tho vs m5 was on groupstage.
2011-11-24 17:20
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Fnatic will win this event. :)
2011-11-24 17:26
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Croatia hypno123
definitely :] eventhough they lost against M5 i'm sure that they could crush them anytime they meat in BO3
2011-11-24 17:28
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#61
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Poland motif
there's nothing 'definitely' in this game ;) u can't predict clearly winner
2011-11-24 18:06
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#64
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Croatia hypno123
that is your opinion...
2011-11-24 18:07
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#65
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Poland motif
no, it's not an opinion, it's fact 'coz u aren't prophet (ofc fnatic can win but NEVER definitely)
2011-11-24 18:08
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Estonia rEDv
Yeah crush ... oh wait fnatic lost to m5 in BO3
2011-11-24 19:35
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16-2 CRUSHED
2011-11-25 13:01
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#135
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Estonia rEDv
was it BO3 ? And it was groupstage so it doesnt count.
2011-11-25 17:05
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#138
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Norway layzn
"it was groupstage so it doesnt count."? wat?
2011-11-26 00:47
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Estonia rEDv
my point is, it wasnt BO3 as hypno mentioned.
2011-11-26 11:25
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Portugal jvsonica
i hope so :)
2011-11-24 17:35
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#52
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Russia SHAq[tw]
+99999
2011-11-24 18:02
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#67
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Bosnia and Herzegovina plava_prica
yes my friend :)
2011-11-24 18:11
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United States criimson
U got that right!!!
2011-11-25 02:36
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#5
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Norway  prebz-
ESC ICY BOX-Gaming :]
2011-11-24 17:22
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United States men1kmati
Gogo sk
2011-11-24 17:23
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#8
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Russia new balance
go go M5 we believe!!
2011-11-24 17:24
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#9
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India ricochet_dav
fnatic ftw!!!! lurppis u would be surprised by them
2011-11-24 17:24
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Norway SUPERKALLE
You wrote about all your top2 groupteams except ESC-Gaming? WHY! :D
2011-11-24 17:25
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Portugal speedyym
Nice read tomy, keep it up!
2011-11-24 17:25
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Croatia hypno123
really good that you put your predictions :] but i think they are completely wrong
2011-11-24 17:25
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+1 I think fnatic will crush this event
2011-11-24 17:35
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
lol
2011-11-24 17:40
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#92
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Russia Hydropanic
+1. I'm cheering for navi and m5, but fnatic really deserves to be in top3
2011-11-24 19:12
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Japan Chii
AGAiN GOGOGOGOGO!
2011-11-24 17:26
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France motion:
good job lurppis!
2011-11-24 17:27
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World cosmico
GL ESAHARA! i think this lineup can do damage
2011-11-24 17:27
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Chile emekattzeN
-navi +fnatic imo
2011-11-24 17:28
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#53
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Russia SHAq[tw]
true
2011-11-24 18:02
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Romania -69-eNdo
Go SK & AGAiN
2011-11-24 17:28
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Romania iliketrolling
nice
2011-11-24 17:29
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#21
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France manup
nice match!! =D
2011-11-24 17:30
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#23
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Lithuania Ernyzaz
gl mouz, m5, fnatic, esahara. and gl kalle, roman, carn, msx, majer, trace, xek
2011-11-24 17:31
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India aJ1TaTe
hope ur group c prediction doesn't hold out
2011-11-24 17:34
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Algeria Ainerhpozihcs
Despite mouz' surprise win over the team lead by kuben at ESWC i think it should be "led by" not lead ? great preview :)
2011-11-24 17:35
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Ukraine Tregubov
That's relevant
2011-11-24 17:55
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#29
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France The Joy
Great preview ! GO ESAHARA
2011-11-24 17:36
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Poland siwy001
lurppis from wings ? is redactor ? :P
2011-11-24 17:37
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Poland Pab
yep ~
2011-11-24 17:39
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#31
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Romania plajE
why aren't you guys playing at DH ? :(
2011-11-24 17:37
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#101
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United States lurppis
we don't get paid a salary so we have to prioritize school and work over cs sometimes (more so than other teams), this is one of those times.
2011-11-24 19:37
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Poland Dub-C
AGAiN? Sometimes you have take a risk to make profits, mark my words :D Great read, I´m pretty into your predictions, by the way!
2011-11-24 20:55
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#117
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United States lurppis
we already missed almost the entire october from school/work due to iem guangzhou, sec, iem new york, eswc and digifest and now a few days for msi beat it russia. if we only attended sec (esp being in poland like for again) and eswc like again, we could have taken more time off for dreamhack as well. we have all missed so much that people would fail courses at school and jigetus simply couldn't get more time off work. their chances of winning money are significantly higher than ours as well, which you have to take into consideration
2011-11-24 21:00
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Poland Dub-C
Have to agree on that one with you. But still would´ve been cool to see you taking on other top teams. Hope for you guys to find a financial stable orga/talk a salary with WinFakt up :) Solid work you´re doing at HLTV.org :)
2011-11-24 21:18
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#32
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Poland QUAK~
GL AGAiN!
2011-11-24 17:37
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#33
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Poland Pab
go Again/ fnatic / eSAHARA / MouZ / Lions <3 anyway nice preview i always enjoy to read something like this, good job lurppis ;*
2011-11-24 17:39
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Ukraine flame /A/
Amazing preview.
2011-11-24 17:39
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Brazil hugoooo
eSahara, neo and mouz!!! I will be so happy if any of these win
2011-11-24 17:39
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
and i will be so happy if Vasco da Gama wins Brasileirão :)
2011-11-24 17:42
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Brazil hugoooo
me too! Vasco is much better than corinthians
2011-11-24 17:48
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#46
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
pure luck corinthians had in the last match :s with Adriano's goal lol he is so fat :D
2011-11-24 17:51
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#39
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Finland saNid
nice read lurp :)
2011-11-24 17:41
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#40
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Portugal ENERG1EofLDS
nice lurppis, although i believe fnatic will come out in front of M5 this time :) sad u cant be there though
2011-11-24 17:41
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#42
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Argentina HH Sebax
fnatic is going to pass the group stage
2011-11-24 17:43
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#44
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Bosnia and Herzegovina EmCo^
GOO NaVi...... goo ceh9 xd
2011-11-24 17:50
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nice lurrpannen, GO m5 mouz navi gogo ! carn is mad about ur prediction :D
2011-11-24 17:53
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Norway kakkopp
ESC gonna destroy some teams fosho
2011-11-24 17:53
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#48
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Algeria Altamos
SK.; FNATIC
2011-11-24 17:54
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#50
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France faithlessz
GO ESAHARA!
2011-11-24 17:55
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#51
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Sweden ITFYTD
A SK-Gaming e-sahara B AGAiN ESC -gaming C fnatic M5 D mouz Lions Playoffs A1xC2 :M5 A2xC1 :fnatic B1xD2 : mouz B2xD1: Lions Semifinals M5 vs Lions : M5 fnatic vs mouz: fnatic final M5 vs fnatic third lions vs mouz SK and Na`Vi will be disappointments wanna bet lurppis ?
2011-11-24 17:56
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#54
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Russia SHAq[tw]
final M5/SK vs FNATIC
2011-11-24 18:02
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#55
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World FUXr
comon AGAiN
2011-11-24 18:02
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#56
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Romania zvan-_--
TeG ftw!!!!
2011-11-24 18:02
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#58
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Slovakia zen'
nice read, gj lurppis, SK GO!
2011-11-24 18:03
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#59
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Croatia hypno123
A : SK e-Sahara B : AGAiN ESC C : fnatic Natus Vincere D : mouz LIONS SK vs Natus Vincere -> Natus Vincere e-Sahara vs fnatic -> fnatic AGAiN vs LIONS -> AGAiN mouz vs ESC -> mouz Natus Vincere vs mouz -> Natus Vincere AGAiN vs fnatic -> fnatic AGAiN vs mouz -> AGAiN fnatic vs Natus Vincere -> fnatic fnatic Natus Vincere AGAiN mousesports
2011-11-24 18:04
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Poland dalaylama
AGAiN vs mouz -> mouz win because AGAiN can't play with Deutch teams ;p I think that.
2011-11-24 20:10
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Ukraine Tregubov
Great preview, but I think you're wrong about Anexis on this one... What seems to be their problem is unknown teams with unknown tactics. BERRY is a great IG leader, and I bet he's checked up on the different players from eSahara and their playstyle, so I am quite confident that they will be well prepared for them. Not to mention trace, who I'm sure will impress everyone once again... Sad he had to replace Nuggi though. I feel that what is between Anexis and the brackets is the team coming from the BYOC - but as always I believe in them, so I just hope they won't dissapoint me and the other fans (once again) We'll see who's right! Go Anexis!
2011-11-24 18:05
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no offense but Anexis without Nuggi = not Anexis even when they have an amazing replacement. besides, Danish teams have always had problems against French teams.
2011-11-25 04:02
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#62
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Finland KRNG^
gl esahara !
2011-11-24 18:06
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#63
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Sweden haze=)
gogo SK! =)
2011-11-24 18:07
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#66
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Ukraine Nnm
1. navi 2. m5 3. again
2011-11-24 18:10
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#68
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Czech Republic MisuL
One q lurpp. Is the matchup for playoff like A-C, B-D?
2011-11-24 18:13
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#69
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France galinete
eSahara : It would be possible that this players' team experiments obtains from excellent results
2011-11-24 18:13
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#70
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India slaught3rr
fnatic going well but sk gaming is total crushing... and again and navi... hope fnatic makes some effective shock to everyone..
2011-11-24 18:14
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#71
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United Kingdom Oxna
As much as I think slurppiss is annoying I agree with his predictions
2011-11-24 18:16
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#72
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Netherlands Erty
nice read
2011-11-24 18:20
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#73
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Finland Unsane
1.SK 2.AGAiN 3.mouz
2011-11-24 18:20
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GL SK, ESC and Lions.
2011-11-24 18:20
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Sweden zleppr0gt
mousesports
2011-11-24 18:21
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fnatic will win for sure. If they play always on nuke. ;) Go k1ck!
2011-11-24 18:22
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Czech Republic S4MUR4J
gl lions
2011-11-24 18:25
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India [F]ullM[3]taL
I think you are right up unitl the finals, where you go horribly wrong. It's actually quite even for me. 50-50. But I hope Na'Vi will prevail.
2011-11-24 18:26
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Sweden donhavoc
mouz is back my friends ;) #1 !!!
2011-11-24 18:27
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#81
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Poland ChmieLu
mouse vs m5 grand final Again vs NAVI 3th place match GL everyone
2011-11-24 18:28
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#82
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World 42bsk
Best-of-one group stage is too unpredictable. Fnatic or M5 could quite easily win group C, with Navi second, and Navi is a 50/50 bet to send SK home in the quarter-final. I don't think Lurppis put enough emphasis on the uncertainty involved, but enjoyable read nonetheless.
2011-11-24 18:30
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#83
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Poland holix
AGAiNwOw~
2011-11-24 18:33
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#84
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Poland bartt
Hmm, I have to say it is really nice preview. Good job lurppis.
2011-11-24 18:35
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Argentina Zuipschuit
lurppis, nice read mate! but what about the BYOC competition? Are there coming some interesting teams? and, esc? What do you expect from them?
2011-11-24 18:36
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Yugoslavia Fresh_xD
grop 4 DH???
2011-11-24 18:47
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United States mah9
nice write up lurp
2011-11-24 18:49
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#88
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Pakistan PatrickT^
if eSAHARA make it out of the groupestages they gonna end top3 without any doubt!
2011-11-24 18:56
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#89
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World jhhjhhgh
eshara :)
2011-11-24 18:57
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#90
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Poland WHIPLASHER
m5x BEAT ALL
2011-11-24 19:07
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#91
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Sweden taM
A good read lurppis, well done.
2011-11-24 19:10
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#94
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Serbia bettt
SK eSahara AGAIN ESC Na`Vi M5 Mouz Lions and of course same predictions in 1/4 as you wrote
2011-11-24 19:18
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#96
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Germany kim~
GO mouz & swedish underdogs Lions & ESC!
2011-11-24 19:20
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#97
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cleMeNz0 | 
Denmark cleMeNz0
Nice articel Lurppis ;D i liked it ! keep doing this please.:)
2011-11-24 19:26
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#98
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Poland pharlig
really good predictions lurp same as my
2011-11-24 19:27
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#103
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United States lurppis
For those wondering: of course I could have written that every group could have almost any team advance because that's how CS works, but then it would be extremely boring to read me say "i don't know who will advance, maybe team A, maybe B or possibly C and D"... At least this way, even if I'm wrong, it's more entertaining for you imo :P I guess I kind of forgot about ESC but I don't think they really stand a chance against anyone in bracket play unless kalle and moddii play super well, they're just advancing due to a weaker group.
2011-11-24 19:44
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Great read, tomi.
2011-11-24 19:51
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#106
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United Kingdom roman~
fnatic beating Na`Vi was luck?
2011-11-24 19:57
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#112
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United States lurppis
i don't recall saying that
2011-11-24 20:22
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#113
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United Kingdom roman~
fnatic won vs both m5 and Na`Vi in MSI Beat so they have equal chances of winning the group with m5 and more chances of winning the group than Na`Vi. I said it because you didn't include them in play offs.
2011-11-24 20:26
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#116
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United States lurppis
that is your opinion, my opinion differs. i don't think msi beat it results are perfect examples for various reasons such as: 1) i wouldn't be surprised if m5 lost on purpose vs fnatic in groups to avoid na`vi/again in playoffs, it didn't look like they were giving it 110% in the match 2) fnatic got a free win vs na`vi on de_nuke which they never practice, just like again 3) m5 got a free win on forge versus everyone as no one else (to my knowledge) practices the map 4) both na`vi and m5 were much stronger than fnatic at eswc 5) m5 beat winfakt, dts, and fnatic in bo3s at msi beat it russia (granted with forge), beat dts at eswc and had a close game vs sk (who i consider the best forge team) before losing a very close bo3 vs na`vi who they always have trouble against 6) na`vi beat winfakt in groups and moscow five and again in bo3s at eswc before losing an overtime match with a big lead vs sk in the finals. at msi beat it russia they beat anexis in groups and again in a bo3 (which is impressive imo) 7) if we don't include the m5 win in groups (which i don't put much pressure on due to my opinion above) fnatic only had to beat local russian teams and win train against na`vi to get second at eswc (as i consider all top teams to be able to beat them on nuke atm) why is this tournament going to be different? 8) at msi beat it russia group stage maps were pre-determined, this time both teams remove 3 maps each in groups meaning neither their strongest nor weakest map will be played 9) in playoffs at msi beat it russia teams picked maps before removing in each match up unlike in every other tournament, now teams will be able to get rid of their weakest and the other team's strongest map if they wish this is all based on my opinion so you can continue arguing but i'm simply point out mine, i'm not saying it's right it's simply how i feel.
2011-11-24 20:59
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#120
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United Kingdom roman~
I respect your opinion of course but i didn't get why fnatic wasn't included on playoffs and after you gave those reasons i get it and as you stated at #103 that every team can pass the group because that's how cs works.
2011-11-24 21:07
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#127
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United States akim301
... not sure if srs (insert not sure if srs face -- apparently can't post that here). you don't get why fnatic wasn't included in playoffs? cause only two teams pass in each group stage and he's obviously predicting that Na'Vi and M5 will pass over fnatic and TeG. it is tomi's own opinion and predictions for the event, doesn't mean it will come true lol. you say you respect his opinion but question his opinion ... /facepalm.
2011-11-25 03:19
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#133
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United Kingdom roman~
I question why does he think that and there he gives me 9 good reasons.
2011-11-25 11:59
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#104
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Malta WATSKy
stop sayin craps, sk is the best team ever and they will win this fucking dh!
2011-11-24 19:51
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#107
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Brazil WicKed'
good job 4 the topic lurppis ^^ Go Na`Vi o//
2011-11-24 20:04
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#108
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Poland dalaylama
EGEN, SK, MOUZ, Na`Vi
2011-11-24 20:06
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#110
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Costa Rica Mek0
go go go go fnatic!!!!!!!!
2011-11-24 20:17
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#111
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Uzbekistan lu8ele <3 M5
GO M5!
2011-11-24 20:18
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#114
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Denmark donadein
Amazing preview lurppis! You are so good at this! <3 HLTV.org !!!
2011-11-24 20:53
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#118
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Moldova faustian
GRUP C : 1 M5 2 fnatic 3 Na'Vi 4 TeG
2011-11-24 21:04
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#119
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India BuLL$3y3
Great work bro!! Thumbs up!!!
2011-11-24 21:06
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#122
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Ukraine fooli
faustian ahaha n1 joke) 1.Na`Vi 2.m5 3.fnatic
2011-11-24 21:20
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#123
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World Kobs
i think anexis have the avantage vs esahara,just one player replaced and it s with trace..but both teams are not stable and can suprise and disapoint ...the team in a good day and with luck on their side will advance. nice preview thanks!
2011-11-24 22:05
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#124
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Poland Marcines
GO AGAIN!
2011-11-24 23:13
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#126
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Other Menddo S.
GO MODDII !!! GO ESC!
2011-11-25 02:41
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#128
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China Ravich
Good Luck&#65281; Best wishes form China &#65281;
2011-11-25 03:40
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#129
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Brazil DerekY
NAVI KarrigaN LEZT GO
2011-11-25 03:41
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Group A 1. eSahara 2. SK Group B 1. AGAiN 2. ESC Group C 1. Na'Vi 2. M5 Group D 1. mousesports 2. Lions eSahara 0:2 M5 ESC 2:1 mousesports AGAiN 2:1 Lions SK 2:1 Na'Vi M5 2:0 mousesports AGAiN 2:1 SK M5 2:1 AGAiN SK 2:0 mousesports
2011-11-25 03:57
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Argentina Martinssj4
fnatic kick the ass of navy and M5, keep tryin.
2011-11-26 01:50
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lurppis underestimating fnatic alot.. :( Hope that fnatic atleast finishes top3.. :)
2011-11-25 07:53
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#136
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Macau kek79
shitty predictions so far
2011-11-25 17:14
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#137
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Sweden cArn@dSn
sorry lurpis but your guess totally sucks :)
2011-11-25 17:52
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#139
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Brazil Walker_93
Lurppis is underestimating a lot of teams. Mainly fnatic.
2011-11-26 01:36
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