ESWC group draw

29-10-2012 16:57

The group draw for the 2012 Electronic Sports World Cup (ESWC) finals has been made, with the 10 participants in the CS:GO tournament being divided into two groups.

Highly-favoured Ninjas in Pyjamas will have to lock horns with mousesports' German team, Area51, ProGaming.TD and LowLandLions.

The winner of the French ESWC qualifier, who will be determined on Thursday, only one day before the start of the finals, will face FM-eSports TOXiC, Anexis, ESC Gaming and n!faculty.

The group draw was based on the seeding distribution for the tournament, which was made in accordance with the teams' results in recent tournaments and in the national qualifiers.

It was feared that an early showdown between NiP and VeryGames - who are widely expected to come out on top in the ESWC qualifier - in the group stage was in the pipeline, but the two teams will not be able to face each other before the play-offs.

Only the top two teams from each group will progress to the semi-finals, which will be played in a best-of-three mode.

Group A	Group B
Ninjas in Pyjamas	ESWC France winner
mousesports	FM-eSports TOXiC
Area51	Anexis
ProGaming.TD	ESC Gaming
LowLandLions	n!faculty

In the female CS:GO tournament, defending champions UBINITED will come up against ALTERNATE, Epsilon eSports and blackWidow, while in the other group, Pink Zinic, now known as 0+, will meet Reason Gaming, inFernity Ladies and the winner of the French ESWC qualifier.

Group A	Group B
ESWC France winner	UBINITED
0+	Team ALTERNATE
Reason Gaming	Epsilon eSports
inFernity Ladies	blackWidow

HLTV.org will be in Paris providing live coverage of the ESWC finals from November 2-4, so stay locked to our website for all the latest info on this event.

gogo mousesports!

2012-10-29 16:57

1 reply

Dreamteam? :D

2012-10-30 07:06

gogogogo a51 :DD!!

2012-10-29 16:58

30 replies

That's a hell of a group, wish Dynamic would have been the ones to go with their current lineup but A51 will do well(guessing #2 in group).

2012-10-29 17:15

29 replies

Offtopic - How will you rank these 3 teams from US? HoldMouseOne , Dynamic and Area51.

2012-10-29 18:02

28 replies

1a/1b/1c online, honestly. They're incredibly even but who knows on LAN. I like HMO(now Curse) the most out of them all but that's more of a personality thing than skill. If HMO can get it together on LAN they'll be a contender for a long time.

2012-10-29 18:23

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i can't see a single reason why hmo's terrible lan showing from last time would suddenly work out better next time, i can't see them really competing with dynamic or area51 at esea lan but we'll see.

2012-10-29 18:44

9 replies

HMO actually played really well if you were watching, and they were on their way to beating A51 on nuke, but they kept making too much noise to the point that A51 were able to rotate perfectly every time and HMO were unable to run one surprise site take or fake effectively. This happened during a lot of their matches. If they're able to fix that problem, and if their online performance is any indicator, they'll be able to improve a lot next time. It's also their first season playing CS.

2012-10-29 18:59

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yea but area51 has also improved TONS since then, it's tough to say but i can't imagine their rate of growth as a team passing area51 as long as they're motivated to get better at cs:go. they know how to win in north america, hmo do not. big difference confidence wise.

2012-10-29 19:07

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you're right about the confidence aspect, and it plays a huge role. the fact that A51 and DYNAMIC are going to get international experience when HMO will not also is going to play a big role for NA competition. at the same time, i wouldn't count out HMO's mindset for the game. they're used to winning in a variety of competitive shooting games, they have arguably the best work ethic in NA, and they're literally not afraid of any team that the game has to offer. mentally, they're an extremely tight group of players who have been playing nonstop with eachother for years. if they became motivated by the right sponsor, i personally believe they could become the best team. all the pieces are there, only time will tell. they all have a great amount of individual skill, a lack of ego when studying the game and learning, professional level teamwork, and the hunger to prove themselves in a new competitive environment.

2012-10-29 19:17

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2012-10-29 19:20

HMO probably have more LAN and tournament experience than TD and A51 combined... just not in CS haha. The individual skill is there, just need to get the tactics up to par with the likes of TD and A51. I think it's fair to give them a few seasons of experience before fully judging them.

2012-10-29 19:19

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the people on the canadian/american crossfire teams (which i believe hmo used to play as well?) were the BIGGEST fans of frod at wem 2010, which leads me to believe that is an indication they failed at cs before playing a game with less competition to become "good". doesn't mean i'm right, just my speculation and hmo certainly haven't proved anything on lan, yet.

2012-10-29 19:23

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I don't know what this has to do with what we're talking about, could you expand on it? HMO(now Curse) come from a variety of games with no real CS background. Being as this is their first real season playing CS and I think they've done quite well online. If they can transfer this over to LAN and get more experience they'll for sure be a force in the future. They've got a lot of LAN experience in various other games, I'm sure it can transfer to CS eventually. e: There's not a lot of big LAN tournies in NA that they can prove themselves on against other top competition.

2012-10-29 19:34

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they're probably pretty good at picking up new games quickly if they've played multiple games, but i can't see them beating the likes of semphis at simply figuring out new shit about a game constantly and improving at it etc. esea finals were enough for 1.6, i don't see why they would not be with cs:go, especially with the global finals coming up

2012-10-30 04:56

Hence the "if".

2012-10-29 19:15

team dynamic is extremely strong with kiko and swag now imo it goes dyn > 51 > hmo

2012-10-29 19:13

16 replies

A51 is still #1 until further notice

2012-10-29 19:17

interesting speculation based on... their only match with the new lineup that ended up in a loss?

2012-10-29 19:19

14 replies

you'll see :P Guess we'll have to wait for LAN. Anyways gl fM and esc rooting for them besides 51

2012-10-29 19:23

13 replies

i think swag is really gonna regret leaving area51 behind in a season or two, i hope all the best for him though... right after semphis. mvp.

2012-10-29 19:25

12 replies

i don't think he realized how seriously A51 was going to approach CS:GO, and that he wanted to play with friends again. either way, at least he and KiKO found the best alternative to them possible.

2012-10-29 19:29

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we (friends of swag) explained to him just that. you can play with friends for fun, but most of the time you can't win with friends (also the case as he's now playing with dynamic)

2012-10-30 04:37

Not a fan of TD?

2012-10-29 19:33

6 replies

Lurppis thinks source players can't be good.

2012-10-29 20:46

4 replies

That's unfortunate. The "Source" hate here is almost as gross as the nationalism.

2012-10-29 21:10

2 replies

You mean anti North Americanism? lol

2012-10-29 22:31

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No I mean the nationalism, the "anti North Americanism" stems from the overall disgusting nationalistic tone the comments section here boils down to. Eliminate the ability to display "your" country and it'd go away.

2012-10-29 22:32

not the case at all

2012-10-30 04:42

i think dynamic is really good and i think they will be top 2 in north america for as long as they maintain a stable roster, but i know how hard some of the guys in area51 work, and i can't see that getting beat as long as they're motivated. we still do not know how swag/kiko fit in dynamic, they only have 3/5 of the old players from their dominating period in cs:s left on the team.

2012-10-30 04:39

how old is swag??15,16? so you shouldn't expect from him to be serious with his decisions(at least in the beginning).

2012-10-29 21:06

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i wouldn't expect him to make right decisions at that age, but we had tons of older people with more experience telling him which decision is a mistake and which isn't, and he still decided to play with friends instead of playing in a winning team (at least he's in a better team now)

2012-10-30 04:35

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well in the end its bad for him :P

2012-10-30 11:19

NIP ftw! gl

2012-10-29 16:59

GroupAZOMG

2012-10-29 17:00

NiP to victory!

2012-10-29 17:00

Nip, a51, mouz, td in 1 group HOLYYYYY SHITTTT!!!

2012-10-29 17:00

Group B 222EASYYY for VeryGames!

2012-10-29 17:00

nice

2012-10-29 17:00

Hard Groupe A Xpext VG @ Groupe B

2012-10-29 17:01

GOGO progaming!

2012-10-29 17:01

Holy shit group 1 is so stacked lol

2012-10-29 17:02

ESC got pretty nice group. Group A steal group

2012-10-29 17:03

GO LLL

2012-10-29 17:03

easy2TD

2012-10-29 17:04

Lineup Anexis? the 1.6 guys?

2012-10-29 17:04

2 replies

No.

2012-10-29 17:09

#67

2012-10-29 18:04

damn, this will be awesome, can't wait for it..

2012-10-29 17:04

looking forward to it!

2012-10-29 17:04

esc vs anexis, time for revenge for copenhagen gamez woop woop

2012-10-29 17:04

1 reply

this Anexis team is from CSS

2012-10-29 17:21

Group A seems way more difficult.

2012-10-29 17:05

1 reply

Good competition for NiP

2012-10-29 17:08

Group A 1-NiP 2-Mousesports 3-Area51 Pretty good chance Mousesports can be 1st too..

2012-10-29 17:08

2 replies

You're overrating mouz way too much, germany doesn't even have too many 1.6ers playing GO atm, the competition must be very light there.

2012-10-29 19:08

TD > mouz you will se :D 1-NIP 2-A51 3-TD probably

2012-10-29 20:55

GO ESC!! really hard group for TD :/ BUT GO TD!!!!!!!!!!!

2012-10-29 17:08

group b so ez for VG

2012-10-29 17:09

anxious to see nip x td

2012-10-29 17:11

2 replies

NiP versus Area51 is going to be a blast

2012-10-29 17:12

1 reply

by the level of the tournament, all games will be one blast!

2012-10-29 17:23

Group A : NiP A51 Group B : Verygames ESC

2012-10-29 17:12

11 replies

Group B more like 1st VG and 2nd fm.toxic, ESC just started GO, i don't think they will be so good... maximum 3rd place for them.

2012-10-29 17:23

10 replies

Ur right fm.toxic could be 2nd after VG

2012-10-29 17:26

9 replies

ya fm > esc

2012-10-29 19:14

8 replies

For the moment :p

2012-10-29 19:23

you saucers hype things too much, in the only 2 LANS of CS:GO history the 1.6 teams have been much superior than the source teams, 1.6 has been much more competitive and harder to master for 10 years, the 1.6 teams will probably keep their dominance without problems. Gonna be interesting to see how much damage ESC does without enough practice though

2012-10-29 23:32

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you 1.6ers should stop dividing the teams for fucks sake already.

2012-10-30 00:30

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well, to start, there's a huge difference in backgrounds while the 1.6 teams have been playing against the best and most prepared teams in the world, the source teams have been playing some random events against regular to low teams and the difference shows, look at the recent events (CPH Games and DH Valencia) both won by 1.6 players. also, there's a lot of hate from the sauce scene to us, and they overrate their teams quite a bit but in reality the css teams are a lot weaker than they seem, just look at the results between 1.6 teams and css teams.

2012-10-30 03:41

"without practice" Are you serious? they just won a CS:GO lan and have been playing csgo over 1.6 for about a month now, i guess they are completely unpracticed though. rofl

2012-10-30 00:42

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a month? I hope you're kidding, go read the news and watch neo's stream, they've been playing 1.6 events and neo has been playing LoL much more than CSGO. they're unprepared, you can't compare NiP's training to ESC's, it is just a huge difference.

2012-10-30 03:35

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hltv.org/news/9153-esc-switching-to-csgo go look at the date, 1 month and 1 week. They aren't as prepared as NiP but they are not unpracticed.

2012-10-30 15:09

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techlab took place a week after that, thats 4 weeks (1 month) and it was played for like 4 days, add it travel time and you got yourself a less week of alleged CSGO practice. so, 3 weeks or less are now enough to master a new game? I don't think so. NiP and other teams are playing CSGO for months now since they didn't had any posibilities to attend tournaments.

2012-10-30 15:24

Who made these groups ???

2012-10-29 17:12

wacky as heck groups

2012-10-29 17:14

we srsly need an explanation for this n! invite from ESWC or i cant take them serious anymore... 5/8th @ german quals!! what a facking joke..100% money under the table or something. they made a big fuzzz last year about why the best names couldent get an invite cuz those who played in the quals an placed better was more diserving.. an now this,WTF is going on!!!

2012-10-29 17:15

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+1 !

2012-10-29 17:17

They're 4th in the current EPS season. Wait for their results at ESWC, then judge. Still there could have been a better invite, yeah.

2012-10-29 17:21

12 replies

...so there's only 2 teams other than mouz who are more deserving in germany? (based on eps; based on the eswc qualifier there were even more)

2012-10-29 18:45

11 replies

they're probably going based on organizations?

2012-10-29 18:50

1 reply

n!faculty isn't some amazing organization that deserves massive invites... winfakt is for sure an organization with more merit than the 3rd best german team (of basically germany's existence)

2012-10-29 19:00

Well, it's just groupstage anyways so it doesn't really count but probably the other guys are just not able to attend. If I'm remembering it right the Alternate guys are all working beside playing and one of them is really busy during weekends with it (not 100% sure though). Probably the same for the guys from gamed!de. I mean it's in like 3 days. I would have chosen Alternate I guess. Only from the germans and their results.

2012-10-29 19:24

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i don't understand why it's even a second german team to go, from a marketing etc perspective it would have made much more sense to send a team from another country that isn't represented yet (e.g. russia[which is for sure a big reason they picked rush3d to begin with], ukraine, finland, etc)

2012-10-29 19:26

7 replies

I'm pretty sure they asked Virtus.Pro but probably they don't get a visa in time. WinFakt would have been a candidate to ask too, yeah.

2012-10-29 19:31

In my opinion they have too less spots anyways since there are MANY teams out there right now. Every country should have the possibility to qualify.

2012-10-29 19:36

What are your predictions for the group stage? Or are you not allowed to post things like that on here? I'm just interested to know what someone with actual perspective thinks.

2012-10-29 19:43

2 replies

i'll post a preview with predictions in a day or two, but this time with me not playing cs:go it really will be (semi-)educated guessing at best :D

2012-10-30 04:20

1 reply

bring it

2012-10-30 08:23

we will see your predictions?

2012-10-29 20:08

1 reply

answer above

2012-10-30 04:33

Should be a nice tournament :)

2012-10-29 17:16

1 reply

+1 yep

2012-10-29 17:26

GOGO ESC !

2012-10-29 17:18

Area51 line-up? pls

2012-10-29 17:19

2 replies

semphis seangares DaZeD tck hiko

2012-10-29 18:50

1 reply

Thank you body:)

2012-10-29 23:15

Mouz.male and alternate.female got this! Oh and I hope VeryLosers gets crushed. I freaking hate them!

2012-10-29 17:20

1 reply

alternate.fe has no chance against ubinited.

2012-11-02 00:15

i think area 51 can upset nip....usa teams are always underestimated by swedes until they get BEAT ;)

2012-10-29 17:21

12 replies

Thats very true

2012-10-29 17:26

Bet 100$ that NiP will own A51.

2012-10-29 17:30

2 replies

I dunno man, area 51 has some strong 1.6ers and a very strong csser and they have been very active in csgo, maybe even as much as nip...

2012-10-29 17:49

1 reply

NiP and mouz are both really solid teams man. this is basically where we find out how well practicing in North America pays off for its teams. Troubley is insane, watch out for him.

2012-10-29 18:01

remember the last time u beat the swedes? i dont :) fortunately for the them, that doesnt happen very often. but i sure as hell miss the good old american teams :) wish u guys had a much more solid scene than u do atm

2012-10-29 17:38

3 replies

We beat plenty of swedish teams in 1.6. mostly on the level of LIONS and H2K, but EG beat fnatic to win an event, and NA teams have beaten plenty of teams from other countries.

2012-10-29 18:03

1 reply

last time a team from the USA beated a swedish team and it was considered an upset was when JMC won against NiP in CPL 2005. It has been a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time since then, CS changed a lot and since 2006 the euros have raped intercontinental competition. EG winning Fnatic BEAT IT wasn't an upset. EG had an incredible lineup with lurppis, goodfornothing and n0thing, three world class playas plus fRoD and storm.

2012-10-30 03:53

youtube.com/watch?v=dQdH9Z0Y760 super intense match

2012-10-29 20:57

2012-10-29 17:40

lol, swedes have been raping teams from the USA since the very beginning, remember NiP vs X3? SK 2003? NiP vs Team3D? SK 2005? fnatic 2006 and the euro domination that followed? the last USA title was with the help of lurppis (EG at Fnatic Beat IT) and to compare A51 to NiP is another stupidity from your part, Area51 lost against n0thing's team in the ESWC qualy so there's a better USA team but due to swag's choice of screwing his then teammates, A51 gets to travel and NiP is by far the best GO team atm.

2012-10-30 03:49

2 replies

by far the best team was dropped in the first round of thor open qual #2 by SY_b ?

2012-11-02 00:18

1 reply

if you think an online upset is something serious then you must be new to CS.

2012-11-02 00:30

go nip and O+

2012-10-29 17:22

2 replies

2012-10-29 18:42

1 reply

2012-10-30 12:22

Poland Strong ESWC 2007,2008, and now 2012. GL ESC.

2012-10-29 17:22

22 replies

Never.

2012-10-29 17:26

16 replies

lol, never? many people said the same when the Poles (without sponsorship) faced the "unbeatable" fnatic dreamteam at WCG 2009. is unlikely but not impossible.

2012-10-29 17:32

15 replies

You miss something important,the game was 1.6 not cs:go...anyway,miss that days when i wake up at 6.00 AM to see WCG or e-star Seoul(SK-Again)...

2012-10-29 18:00

14 replies

still cs... :D but i think they won't win. maybe DH? let's wait.

2012-10-29 18:02

13 replies

If u already played or tryed Cs:GO,for me isn't cs...It's more like Call of Duty but imo...call of duty is better.

2012-10-29 18:08

12 replies

how is it more like call of duty? you are fucking stupid, dude...

2012-10-29 19:10

11 replies

Ok,go and give Heaton a bj,i don't need to discuss with you.

2012-10-29 23:33

10 replies

...you are fucking stupid, dude...

2012-10-30 01:09

8 replies

Say the american guy...the most stupid human race i've ever seen.Go and eat a hamburger.

2012-10-30 01:53

7 replies

lol. 'american' isn't a race....so once again... ...you are fucking stupid, dude...

2012-10-30 02:24

5 replies

You have one reply,nice,high iq. American race?Every fucking kiddo(just like you) who lives in U.S.A and all bastards from U.S.A what race they are?Spanish?Mongolian?Go and f yourself.

2012-10-30 10:32

4 replies

I only have one reply, because I only need one reply for you... you are fucking stupid, dude.

2012-10-30 13:50

1 reply

img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/ahahahh..

2012-11-01 19:51

I think you should look up the definition of 'race' in that context.

2012-10-30 21:27

1 reply

Yes dude,it's not the exact definition of "race" , but you know what i meant to say.In my opinion U.S.A is a fucking joke.

2012-10-30 22:17

i think you mean canada

2012-10-30 08:27

hey m8 u rly got to take responsibilities though its the internet if you want people to treat you like a human or an adult instead of a child. explain yourself if needed when you state an opinion. me myself would like to know how cs:go is closer to cod than cs? besides the graphics(which is obviously kinda the same just because its 2012)

2012-11-02 00:22

ahahha i guys look live SLBenfica in Portugal. u cant get over urselfs, always talking about history and ur titles in the stone age. cmon. yeah ESC were a huge team in 1.6 but right now, they have to prove themselves in cs:go. :) gl anyway

2012-10-29 17:40

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lol stone age...whatever ESC won the two last major tournaments. what did i said? it was a little joke with a lot of confidence, i think NiP will win :D but poland stronk neo>all pasza biceps hehe

2012-10-29 17:46

1 reply

i was actually refering to benfica titles when i said stone age :)

2012-10-29 18:06

said hater all of cs teams except ESC, bravo jacek

2012-10-29 17:46

1 reply

said the guy that don't know me :D

2012-10-29 17:51

oh what did I say, french qualified team will be in the same group as nfaculty... best of luck toxic_cr3w. X

2012-10-29 17:23

1 reply

hahaha +1

2012-10-29 17:30

Area51 vs mousesports should be an interesting fight for the second spot in Group A. Group B is a bit random. France qual. winner (VG or Millenium) should place 1st, while the 2nd spot could go to either fm.toxic, Anexis or esc.

2012-10-29 17:25

Go ProGaming, UBINITED, Area51 :D

2012-10-29 17:25

NiP, mouz, cogu and a team from USA, all together... looks oldschool, makes me remember the old times

2012-10-29 17:26

1 reply

2012-10-29 17:39

Group A placings 1. NiP 2. Area51 3. ProGaming.TD 4. mousesports 5. LowLandLions Group B placings 1. FM-eSports TOXiC 2. French qualifier 3. ESC Gaming 4. Anexis 5. n!faculty

2012-10-29 17:27

A - group of death

2012-10-29 17:32

Mmm, Group A is like 3x better than B :S

2012-10-29 17:33

anexis lineup ?

2012-10-29 17:35

1 reply

hltv.org/news/9274-anexis-sign-hastalavi..

2012-10-29 17:38

Go A51!

2012-10-29 17:36

GL ESC Gaming! ;)

2012-10-29 17:39

1- NiP 2- Pro.TD 3- Mouz 4- a51 5- LLL

2012-10-29 17:40

9 replies

just laughed before seeing your flag country

2012-10-29 20:17

8 replies

I cant laugh about you, because i cant find any belgium team. sad.

2012-10-29 20:33

7 replies

you owned him so hard

2012-10-29 22:54

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *pause to breath* AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHH PWNED!!!!!!!

2012-10-29 23:21

1 reply

I cant laugh about you, because i cant find any belgium team. sad. ² OWNED!

2012-10-30 00:32

OWNED

2012-10-30 00:58

HAHAHAHAHAHA ONE KILL

2012-10-30 03:06

flawless victory

2012-10-30 08:28

LOL

2012-10-30 18:57

sad format

2012-10-29 17:41

go ALTERNATE and Reason <3

2012-10-29 17:44

nice to see such a variety of teams from different countries. CS 1.6 might be better to play but it was getting fairly stale having teams from 4 countries.

2012-10-29 17:48

blackWidow lineup?

2012-10-29 17:49

1 reply

As far as I know, Elorita, GATA, Aidy, kYs and Barbara

2012-10-29 18:08

ESWC France winner: VeryGames :)

2012-10-29 17:49

a51 will shit a brick when mouz is gonna ruin their shitnapish style. pre-final nip vs. mouz ;)

2012-10-29 17:50

The Brazil needs to go well in the first championships to finally be supported by the game companies investing Maybe we will again have a team like mibr, who remain longer among the best

2012-10-29 17:52

A: NiP, mouz B: VG(probably), faculty

2012-10-29 17:55

when it starts?

2012-10-29 17:57

1 reply

read

2012-10-29 18:01

A: NiP & mouz B: FM & Anexis

2012-10-29 18:00

A:NiP and mouz B:VG and ESC

2012-10-29 18:02

cogu vs NIP nice.

2012-10-29 18:03

A: NiP and Area51 B: ESC and VG

2012-10-29 18:03

GO DreamTeam

2012-10-29 18:03

easy money for nip, eswc and wcg are shit events

2012-10-29 18:04

6 replies

These are the best teams in the world. What ever are you talking about?

2012-10-29 18:06

5 replies

Of course it's not, there's a lot of more and better teams than n! and some other clans >,,<

2012-10-29 18:12

4 replies

not according to the results of the qualifiers, because every team in attendance earned their spot the hard way, other than n! who were given a free spot. This is the best CS:GO event to date, so I'm not sure where you're coming from.

2012-10-29 18:38

3 replies

Did you even read my message?

2012-10-29 19:13

2 replies

Yes, and it's a loaded statement. This tournament has NiP, Verygames (likely), Area 51, mousesports, Anexis, and arguably the best brazilian CS:GO team right now (especially with their bootcamp in europe). no other CS:GO team has ever offered this much competition. Are you arguing that the rest of the spots don't contain skilled enough teams? Because this is the best tournament that any group of organizers have ever been able to put together for CS:GO. Until another tournament does it better, you can't bash it and expect people to agree with you. Considering every other team that you may consider "bad" won their individual qualifiers, and weren't just given an invite (other than n!), it means that they earned their spot and proved themselves. Any team that did NOT do that can't attend, and that's why they're not in Group A or Group B right now.

2012-10-29 19:25

1 reply

2012-10-30 21:05

someone post all the teams lineups for both boys and gurls =p

2012-10-29 18:04

You can tell the groups were biased in favor of ESC. The only reason Group B would be as weak as it is is to give them the better shot at moving out of it, but I still don't see them doing that.

2012-10-29 18:05

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It is still a very very difficult group to get out of. Anexis have pretty much won everything there is to offer online, and have been in amazing form. VeryGames were a dominant force in Source, and will not be an easy walkover especially what they learnt after DH Valencia. fm-eSports TOXiC are a solid British team, with BARBARR and should prove to upset a few people. ESC have had a rocky start in CS:GO but are finally finding their feet in the game. n!faculty look to be the weak link in the group currently, but they will take heart from the fact that they drew with Mousesports in EPS recently.

2012-10-30 02:13

LowLandLions <3

2012-10-29 18:09

VeryGames rush for 1st place :f

2012-10-29 18:11

infernity ladies shopping trip

2012-10-29 18:12

1 reply

all ladies teams have shopping trip

2012-10-29 18:20

Interesting groups indeed. A bad one for ESC depending on how well they have adapted to CS:GO.

2012-10-29 18:14

9 replies

ESC was given a shot at making it out of their group on a silver platter. The organizers clearly believe they're a top 4 contender, or they wouldn't have been placed in the imbalanced/weaker group. imo they still won't make it out of groups.

2012-10-29 18:40

8 replies

A looks weaker to me than B, honestly. With all my respects to the Brazilian/Belgian teams.

2012-10-29 18:46

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you could be right, but i'd honestly put my money on brazil to be really strong, given their bootcamp time. i only recognize cogu though, so it could go either way. mouz, NiP, and A51 are all really good, so if TD manages to even be decent, it would make group A a lot more stacked.

2012-10-29 18:53

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I think that TD can make a upset against mouz and area51, they are training intensively for 18 days, I believe it's not enough yet, after ESWC they will continue training in IOL and will be stronger for Dreamhack.

2012-10-29 19:04

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other than cogu, i don't know anything about TD. are the rest of them source players? they any good?

2012-10-29 19:07

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they are the best players from Brazil, they have good skill, with cogu helping them, who has a huge intelligence about tactics (who created several tactics of the old mibr), they have everything to be strong team. but they are training on a high level only for 18 days, I think it is still not enough, but let's wait and see.

2012-10-29 19:16

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i'm guessing you mean the best source players, because i'm pretty sure everyone has the understanding that the best brazilian players are fnx, nak, bit, FalleN, btt, etc. i'm rooting for brazil though, except against A51 :p

2012-10-29 19:27

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hahah 4sure i <3 this team. :D they won the last major 1.6 tournament of brazil yesterday, I just love fallen awp <3. buttt now it's time to move on now and cs:go and i think that A51 can beat even mouz.

2012-10-29 19:36

This is obviously wrong as groups have been drawn from seed pools. And ESC was actually in the lower pool. eswc.com/en/info/eswc-grand-final-2012-d..

2012-10-29 20:55

ESC GOGOGOGOG

2012-10-29 18:17

No ladies from russia :/ missing Venema, greeny

2012-10-29 18:23

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2012-10-29 18:49

UBINITED GOGO!

2012-10-29 18:31

gl NiP <3 gl ESC :)

2012-10-29 18:36

Weird that noone has said what I am about to say. I actually hope this tourney will show how random the game actually is. And would love to see that in the form of LLL winning NIP. Gl

2012-10-29 18:38

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no game's that random :p

2012-10-29 18:41

will there be DREAMTEAM??

2012-10-29 18:39

GL Ubinited and iNfernity Ladies!

2012-10-29 18:40

Hope ESC show their best

2012-10-29 18:41

cogu show em esc will advance easy group

2012-10-29 18:47

pimp u have n faculty in ur group , we wanna see if u cant beat them

2012-10-29 18:49

waiting for someone to post ESWC France Winner lineup pL0X?!

2012-10-29 18:51

3 replies

the France qualifier still hasn't happened, so no team has earned the spot yet. everyone pretty much knows it's gonna be verygames though.

2012-10-29 18:55

2 replies

that's the point, there are people on this site who will think that's a team name

2012-10-29 18:55

1 reply

well that's not good.

2012-10-29 19:06

NiP VS ESC-gaming final obiviously. Golden Five vs GTR, f0rest and Xixt should be interesting even though i dont like this game too much, i love to watch competition.

2012-10-29 18:54

3 replies

ESC in final? optimist Group B Anexis and VG

2012-10-29 19:12

:D:D:D:D:D: esc far away from the final believe me hah

2012-10-29 19:38

1 reply

he is polak, ignore him

2012-10-29 20:03

cogu vs nip = nostalgia

2012-10-29 19:00

Will there be Dreamteam for ESWC!?

2012-10-29 19:01

Dreamteam ?

2012-10-29 19:05

its going to be awesome!!

2012-10-29 19:26

ESC Gaming win CS:GO ESWC :)

2012-10-29 19:31

3 replies

Omg, not you nikof47... Don't even try to start trolling here too, please.

2012-10-29 20:15

2 replies

shel'up noob ?

2012-10-29 21:10

1 reply

Why so mad? Go back to SK, troll.

2012-10-29 21:15

Didnt See an american Flag a time ago :P

2012-10-29 20:03

gogo mouz!

2012-10-29 20:08

ouch, group A so stronk!

2012-10-29 20:08

anexis > esc in go for sure

2012-10-29 20:18

imho way too random group stage, if they choose to do it bo1 might as well do another bracket stage that consists of 2nd place vs 3rd place of the other group and giving the top two teams free tickets to the semi finals.

2012-10-29 20:24

The funny thing is Millenium has a small but legit chance to upset VG...

2012-10-29 20:27

3 replies

I heard they dont practise at all, so i dont think so

2012-10-29 21:20

2 replies

thats so stupid scream and shox were 1-2 tap shooters in source, CSGO would suit their style really good, oh well ul Milennium

2012-10-29 21:47

that's wrong.

2012-10-30 10:06

JANCE FTW AHOJ CZECH GO GO GO MARSH JANCE DEEDEE GOGOGOG AHOJ

2012-10-29 20:29

nice

2012-10-29 20:31

NiP & fm TOXiC

2012-10-29 20:33

GO ESC

2012-10-29 20:39

NIP WIN ESWC ;)

2012-10-29 20:55

iNfernity.ladies... no inFe...

2012-10-29 20:58

1 reply

like it matters...

2012-10-29 21:09

ENEM > ESWC gogogogo UTFPR

2012-10-29 21:04

1 reply

2012-10-29 21:31

Like always(the past 11 years) i'm rooting for the american teams :P go area51 beat em all

2012-10-29 21:08

NiP! :>

2012-10-29 21:19

NiP vs Anexis final Reason vs alternate final

2012-10-29 21:26

gogo TD :DD

2012-10-29 21:31

Good esc. Easier way to reach playoffs :)

2012-10-29 21:34

gogo mousesports and LLL

2012-10-29 21:57

g0g0g0g0g0g0g0g0g0g NIP & mousesports <3

2012-10-29 22:20

The line up for O+?

2012-10-29 22:23

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If there hasn't been any change it should be, IpSa, lillsan, aNNa, HellRose, Llo EDiT: Seems that IpSa dropped out (maybe due to this the team name change) and julie stepped in, julie, lillsan, aNNa, HellRose, Llo

2012-10-29 22:52

go go TD, go go cogu the best :D

2012-10-29 22:28

GG NiP and ubi!

2012-10-29 22:31

Group B 1. VeryGames 2. FM-eSports TOXiC 3/4. ESC Gaming / Anexis 5. n!faculty but I want ESC in top2 in that group to play versus NiP :D

2012-10-29 22:32

tough for a51. interesting groups though.

2012-10-29 22:34

3 replies

area51 line up?

2012-10-29 22:38

2 replies

semphis seangares DaZeD tck hiko

2012-10-29 23:09

1 reply

thanks ;D

2012-10-29 23:44

gogo progamingTD!!

2012-10-29 22:35

WOOhoooo!! CANT WAIT!!!

2012-10-29 22:56

gogo TD!

2012-10-29 22:59

gl cogu, gl TD

2012-10-29 23:29

If ESC arrives with the Golden Five mentality it is over for NiP and all the sauce teams.

2012-10-29 23:33

6 replies

stop dreaming ok

2012-10-29 23:41

5 replies

dreaming? they are by far the most successful CS team ever, if they get in shape they will keep winning against f0rest and GTR and the sauce teams will be easy mode for them.

2012-10-29 23:57

4 replies

They were the best on the good game, remember, they're now playing a broken game, it's random, it's not based on skills.

2012-10-30 00:06

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they still got a huge advantage over overhyped source teams, source competition was nothing compared to 1.6, in 1.6 you had 15 teams on a very close level and 5 of them dominating the world, in source they had like only 1 decent team for years.

2012-10-30 00:16

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ESC has spent a fraction of the time playing GO compared to every other team attending the event. Having all 1.6 players also means they don't have the source input to help them adapt to the engine/strats. as much as we all love ESC and 1.6, you're overhyping them in such a way where you've left logic out of the equation. they won't make it out of their group.

2012-10-30 06:42

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they lack the practice: true they lack good competition: probably true

2012-10-30 14:59

Not alot of faith in a51 gonna say nip/mouz dominate group A and Verygames/Anexis clean up group b ^_^

2012-10-29 23:40

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i'm kinda looking forward to FM.Toxic strutting their stuff. it's been a while since brits have done the dirty on the big stage, at least against the 1.6 guys.

2012-10-30 19:14

A51 to do some damage

2012-10-29 23:42

ESC

2012-10-30 00:46

gl teams:)

2012-10-30 00:59

Nip TD VG ESC

2012-10-30 01:04

gogogogogog a51 :DDDDDDDD sg@res #1 csgo awper??? soon to see :D!

2012-10-30 01:15

niceeeee amazing tournament group A sickkk

2012-10-30 01:15

can't wait :D

2012-10-30 01:29

Go for it PG.TD

2012-10-30 01:30

GL PG.TD :D

2012-10-30 01:32

group A hell group :D so stronk

2012-10-30 02:09

when will the french eswc spot be played out? NiP, ESC and 51 to dominate this tournament..

2012-10-30 02:59

1 reply

oct 30.

2012-10-30 03:54

I can't believe how much css players overrate their players, I think this event will show them something.

2012-10-30 03:53

2 replies

1.6 > sauce skillwise, thats obvious. cs:go has proven it so far

2012-10-30 04:16

show them something... again. lol.

2012-10-30 04:39

not sure why alot of you care about lurrpis and his preds etc.... he seems like a slightly above average player who is athiest... i'd rather look elsewhere for good insight..

2012-10-30 04:32

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what does him being atheist have anything to do with anything? especially in an age where alot of young people make fun of religious people you should know better

2012-10-30 05:50

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2012-10-30 15:55

considering no one else has offered to do preds, we'll take what we can get. and i'd prefer him to be atheist, or else we'd get those NiP are no match for LLL with the power of christ behind them preds, like those religious guys always seem to do.

2012-10-30 06:45

Group A 1NiP 2Progaming TD 3mousesports Group B 1verygames 2esc 3fm.toxic

2012-10-30 06:11

GO GO GO TEAM TD AND ESC

2012-10-30 06:55

Brazilians have no chance LOL. They are 2 shit.

2012-10-30 07:09

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And you know that because you have seen then play CSGO at a lot of tournaments against lots of other teams, right?

2012-10-30 07:48

COGU WIN I love You

2012-10-30 07:59

Who are the players to watch in a51 ?

2012-10-30 09:53

Ok lets start trolling :O ESC will totally FAIL ! :O

2012-10-30 10:05

Few people watch cs go anywhere near as much as they looked cs 1.6 and their pets

2012-10-30 10:13

Dear piarasty () shit! Trying in vain! This stuff no one needs! Even people abstracted from 1.6 to see that the game worthless. Question to all kinds of angels, and why you have not moved in time to the Aroma because this is the same product but with a different name? But at least 20 weeks of play - this game will not be less shitty! Try not to push GOuano sign of respect as ordinary gamers and the professional community. Valvil raise your snickering ass and do something really new and revolutionary. Make a game that rightfully replace 1.6, and garbage eat yourself!

2012-10-30 10:25

3 replies

google translate is oh so strong with this one..

2012-10-30 11:01

... My brain just exploded. Isn't it sad when someone tries to convey thy point but unable to do so due to language barrier?

2012-10-30 11:04

the fail is glorious

2012-10-30 19:10

semphis is the best player on a51

2012-10-30 10:35

Final : ESC vs NiP, NiP win 2:1

2012-10-30 11:04

DreamTeam for ESWC Girls? ;D @TheStoryTeller , totally agree with u ;)

2012-10-30 11:31

winfakt deserved a spot in this tournament. anyway, i hope nip win

2012-10-30 11:55

natus vincereeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

2012-10-30 12:23

maatje, wederom veel geluk!

2012-10-30 12:36

It's ridiculous to say that WinFakt deserves spot. they aren't even in top40 in CS:GO and that is quite bad finnish CS:GO "pros" as ex cs 1.6 "pros" are and were people that have really low level education in real life and you really can't expect that much from guys who can't even get to high level of education (university and so on)

2012-10-30 13:47

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umm, finland is ranked as the 8th best educated country in the world. sweden isn't even top 10

2012-10-30 19:10

easy4nip...

2012-10-30 15:21

Easy groups for NIP and ESC, somehow i get the feel that tournament organizers favor these two teams, but its good that they are in different groups which makes final pretty easy to predict. Go Neo! Go ESC! show NIP how strong poland is!

2012-10-30 16:06

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polska polska polska

2012-10-30 16:24