SK has won almost everything this year, but it seems like navi is stronger so far this tournament. But I'd say 50-50 this game anyway :) a great game for sure! :) gl both
2011-10-24 12:37
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I meant since the new lineup and at all tournaments they've attended ofcourse. U can't say that another team has won more tournaments this year? And I'm not saying that they are dominant, didn't I say that I thought this was a 50-50 game? Don't u agree with that? :) Both are great teams and I'm looking forward to an extrodinary game.
2011-10-24 12:56
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Yeah, although I cheered for FX, I did put Na`Vi as the winning team in the contest for sensei. As well as Edward for most kills ;).
LOOKS LIKE AM TAKING DAT SHIT HOME BRO.
2011-10-24 12:21
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i am sure that navi cares about their title (ESWC Champions), and will try to do their best to keep it intact.
go navi!
same on me, i am at school at that hour, having a test paper at English..
2011-10-24 12:28
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I feel the same. That game against AGAiN was a good warm up and might be crucial for them to maintain their momentum.
Then again, I could be wrong. It could be beneficial for SK to watch Na`vi playing early as well.. like digging out some of their new tactics / weaknesses.
2011-10-24 12:35
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Yes it could go both ways.
What makes me doubt SK tho is that they were in New York and when they got back they flew to Paris right away. I doubt they had the time to make new tactics and I feel like Zeus has studied them a lot before this tournament.
2011-10-24 12:41
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as if Na`Vi had never lost to SK.. You're crazy fanboy man, atm, SK is better than Na`Vi. f0rest motivated unstoppable! Edward motivated is a nice player, just.
2011-10-24 13:37
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I'm not Na'Vi fan boy, sorry mate. I'm trace's fanboy. Why do you think I'm trying to speak about Edward? I'm saying about markeloff. How SK is better than Na`Vi if they lose previous match? I want to see you comment afther this match, please.
2011-10-24 13:42
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im SK fan, but Na Vi can win, f0rest is bein bad the hole tournament, also as Delpan, face doin his tricks as always but at important matches he never does, get_right is the only who actually wants to win thi shit...
2011-10-24 12:44
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i think u have some type of korsakoff or alzheimer because f0rest gtr and delpan have been huge so far. i guess uve only watched the scores instead of streams. :)
2011-10-24 12:59
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I'll be at Uni while the match is taking place, is there any place where I can see the stream when i'm back at 6 o clock? So i'm asking for a stream with commentators which gets recorded, pref english ;)
2011-10-24 12:50
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de_train [Na'Vi = SK]
de_inferno [Na'Vi = SK]
de_tuscan [Na'Vi > SK]
de_dust2 [Na'Vi > SK]
de_nuke [Na'Vi < SK]
de_mirage [Na'Vi < SK]
de_forge [Na'Vi < SK]
Na'Vi in better form and better prepared i think. But with GTR, f0rest and face in awesome shape it's still anybodys game. Map choices are huuuge.
GLHF!
2011-10-24 13:00
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Na`Vi has more chemistry, this will do the difference, they've been playing with the same lineup for 1-2 years now (from IEM4 at least)
and they won't fuck up imo.
2011-10-24 13:22
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I see a lot of games of NAVI
Markeloff > Edward = CEH9 > Zeus > Starix
I don't remember a great match of starix against
GREAT teams
Just against little teams.
2011-10-24 13:36
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Why so many people think that RobbaN sucks tactic wise? Cmoon man, have you seen his tactics? Specially in 2010. But one good example what they did on Gamegune: youtube.com/watch?v=z-K8YPI7ZfY&list=LLm..
He is really good tactic wise and super underrated.
2011-10-24 13:40
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Quick Stats - Player highlight
Nick: GeT_RiGhT
Name: Christopher Alesund
Country: Sweden
Team: SK Gaming
Total kills 11115 - yesterday was 11111
Total deaths 7770 - coming soon 7777 :D
2011-10-24 14:17
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Free key for game to steam Dark Messiah of Might and Magic MULTI-PLAYER
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really... its game cost 10euro in shop steam.
i have more, message me
2011-10-24 14:25
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In 2010 SK line up was:
walle, face, robban, gux and allen
this year it will be much harder for sure but Na'Vi already proved they can beat SK in bo3!
hoping to see dust2, inferno and mb train. go go Na`Vi!!
2011-10-24 14:40
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sorry but get_right and trollpan can't live without PC/internet NAVI is very cheerful and awesome team, really I like their
GL NAVI not just now, but also in the future
2011-10-24 16:03
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Ruzi
#519
Na'Vi good team but f0rest better than na'Vi
L@L, cs is a game for team play, so one player can make 3-4 rounds, but he can't make all the game
2011-10-24 15:46
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Agree.
f0rest is not better than the whole Na`Vi. I think markeloff can overpower him, because he's got better with rifles and he got a very amazing gamestyle.
+ his outstanding awp.
2011-10-24 15:53
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I'm kidding :) I respect the swedes - they are a great nation, and Sweden - beautiful country.
But I think that Sweden - the fifth. Russia> Ukraine> France> Spain> Sweden
2011-10-24 16:25
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prizemoney this year is ridiculous
#1 12 000 $
#2 6 000 $
Cmoon, WTF!?
Starcraft ESWC had instead #1 26k #2 12k #3 8k
and you dont share that money with your teammates.
so win or lose this final, doesnt matter really. you'll get 1k more if you win.
2011-10-24 16:10
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eswc.com/en/2011/streaming
Multilingual live
No! it's not Multilingual because it's always Russian.
Without good English stream they causes CS 1.6 to die.
2011-10-24 16:27
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*** SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- killed Na`Vi EdwardwOw~ with a headshot from knife ***
Na`Vi starix /A/ killed SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- with glock18
*DEAD* Na`Vi EdwardwOw~ : SKJMDJASHKDSA}
*DEAD* SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- : in ze final m
LMFAO
2011-10-24 16:27
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*** SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- killed Na`Vi EdwardwOw~ with a headshot from knife ***
Na`Vi starix /A/ killed SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- with glock18
*DEAD* Na`Vi EdwardwOw~ : SKJMDJASHKDSA}
*DEAD* SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- : in ze final man :)
2011-10-24 16:29
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Why there is no REAL english stream for this game? ESWC is fucking international stream and multilanguage is not russia!
Specc: 14k hltv, greatfrag 3700 that russian "multilanguage" almost 10k ;)) NICE CS
2011-10-24 16:39
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SK'S inferno is just too simple to predict.
They left 1 guy on A.
You just smoke or flashs A and 1 or 2 guys go running to the cover, It makes just simple to kill 2 guys at the other bombsight.
Cmon ROBBAN, you can be better than this
2011-10-24 16:43
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omg french commentators on main stream are noobs, their comments are so useless >_> "what are they doing ??? saving guns ??? wow that's super rare!".........
2011-10-24 16:44
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*** Na`Vi markeloff /A/ killed SK.Delpan <3 Johan Wedel with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** Na`Vi markeloff /A/ killed SK.RobbaN with a headshot from ak47 **
AHHAHAHHAA
2011-10-24 16:48
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MARKELOFF AMAZING!!!
*** Na`Vi markeloff /A/ killed SK.Delpan <3 Johan Wedel with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** Na`Vi markeloff /A/ killed SK.RobbaN with a headshot from ak47 ** AND PLANT BOMB
2011-10-24 16:48
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They played like that because every lost round could mean the loss at dust2, of course they were playing very slow and controlled in that situation but sure the Poles would be rushing all the way even if their opponent already got the tie.. xDD
Mouz is playing brained, that's all. ;)
2011-10-24 17:04
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hard to admit bu in important matches godd are only face and get_right, f0rest in the playoffs sucks a lot Delpan plays like a noob robban bad tactics or i dont know but this is rape...
2011-10-24 16:53
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haha, this is pretty weird, yesterday everybody wrote - "Delpan sick", "insanse play by Delpan" because he played well. Today he isn't that good, and now he is noob. :D
2011-10-24 16:53
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That stupid round SK lost when navi was on a half buy will be the round that decided everything in this map...
Oh, that and f0rest killing himself with a nade!
2011-10-24 17:10
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SK.RobbaN killed Na`Vi markeloff /A/ with ak47
Na`Vi Zeus /A/ killed SK.RobbaN with m4a1
*** SK.Delpan <3 Johan Wedel killed Na`Vi starix /A/ with a headshot from ak47 ***
*** Na`Vi cehe4ka yHocuT killed SK.Delpan <3 Johan Wedel with a headshot from m4a1 ***
*** SK.f0restwOw~ killed Na`Vi EdwardwOw~ with a headshot from ak47 ***
Na`Vi Zeus /A/ killed SK.face with m4a1
SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- killed Na`Vi cehe4ka yHocuT with ak47
SK.f0restwOw~ killed self with grenade
*** Na`Vi Zeus /A/ killed SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- with a headshot from
horosh Zeus
2011-10-24 17:10
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THIS IS THE FOREST GUY YOU SAY IS THE BEST OF ALL TIMES ??
OMG HE IS JUST NERVOUS BY PLAYING A FINAL.
CAN'T KILL GUYS IN THEIR BACKS, KILLS HIMSELF OMG OMG
GO NAVI
2011-10-24 17:11
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i know f0rest is the top fragger and all but imo it's the 3rd round in a row lost because of f0rest maybe the 1st it wasn't he missed only a few easy shots but the other 2 it was..
2011-10-24 17:12
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Maybe they're not, but saying that Navi SK and AGAIN are top3 in the world "WITHOUT A DOUBT" when mouz took a map from SK and beat AGAIN in a bo3 is retarded.
2011-10-24 17:53
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Its not retarded at all. Mouz played great this tournament, no doubt about it... But rating teams and being a better team is all about consistency.
Bar this tournament mouz's results in the past year dont come anywhere NEAR Again's.
SK, Navi, and Again are the 3 best teams in the world atm - based off results (which is the only thing that matters). Any one of those teams could have come dead last this 1 tournament and they'd still be a top 3 world team.
2011-10-24 18:09
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How can you say who's the better team without looking at the past.. thats the ONLY way you can determine it. Being a better team is about results and consistency - of which SK, Navi, Again are the clear top 3 in the world atm.
2011-10-24 18:07
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In the way im talking about, yeh, they do actually..
"At the moment, based off previous results..."
We're picking this moment (or general timeline) to determine who's the best team, and we're determining that off previous results (the only way you can actually accurately determine who is a better team). We could do the exact same thing by choosing a moment 1 hour in the future, or 6 months in the future, and still use past results to come to a conclusion.
Its literally no different than you trying to argue mouz are a potentially better team than AGAiN because they beat them 3 hours ago. You're still arguing that, at the moment, based off 1 previous result.. im doing the exact same thing, except taking in a much wider sample range of results thus coming to a more accurate conclusion of who is the better team.
Stop trying to argue semantics (and incorrectly i might add) and realise that you're a moron, thanks.
2011-10-24 18:33
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You're an idiot.
I am not arguing that mouz are a better team than AGAIN, I'm arguing about the "NAVI SK and AGAIN are CLEARLY, read, CLEARLY, the 3 best teams in the world RIGHT NOW". SK and NAVI - sure, they were on another level this tournament. Again were not, they even lost a map to alternate.
Saying that a team that loses maps left and right is "CLEARLY" a top3 team is, I repeat, retarded. Thank you very much
2011-10-24 18:39
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You need to CLEARLY read what i said too.. i was going to italic the word for you because i was pretty certain you would misread, but i said you were arguing that mouz are potentially better than Again, not that they are better.
Now back to what im arguing, that based off previous results it IS actually CLEAR that Again are a top 3 team in the world. If you want the more statistical version than my opinionated one, simply go to hltv.org/news/7454-team-ranking-august-2.. for a better idea of what im talking about.
My main argument is that, in the grand scheme of things, this 1 tournament is relatively meaningless. You putting so much weight into 1 single tournament is, as you say, 'retarded'. You must take in far more results than 1 event to get anything even resembling an accurate ranking, and thats what i've done. It wouldnt matter if SK/NAVI/AGAIN came dead last this tournament losing to everyone, they would still be a top 3 team in the world because they have several years of higher placings than any other team.
Secondly, your recent posts havent even been arguing that, you've been attempting to argue that you cant think about the past while being in the present, which is also incorrect, but im glad you've seemingly dropped that.
2011-10-24 18:54
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"You need to CLEARLY read what i said too.. i was going to italic the word for you because i was pretty certain you would misread, but i said you were arguing that mouz are potentially better than Again, not that they are better."
No, I was not. I was emphasasing the difference between the supposed top3 and the rest of the teams all along, which is not as big as people say.
"Secondly, your recent posts havent even been arguing that, you've been attempting to argue that you cant think about the past while being in the present, which is also incorrect, but im glad you've seemingly dropped that."
Recent posts ? It was basically the same post in two seperate replies, cause you decided to interrupt my discussion with the portuguese guy.
Now I'm not gonna bother explaining this again, so read carefully:
If those 3 teams were BY FAR top3 in the world, they wouldn't lose maps. They would be crushing all other teams. No other team (other than the 3) would be able to get more than 8 rounds against them (and yes, this applies to all previous tourneys, not only ESWC), which is clearly not the case.
If you still can't see my point, then I give up.
2011-10-24 22:27
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Just because he failed with a grenade doesn't mean everyone have to laugh about it? Or everyone type about it, fucking retards realy.
SK will win this second Overtie, np.
2011-10-24 17:37
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worst thing for Navi is that they seem to not understand why they lost.
no banana push, no carpets, just sit and wait for a headshot. SK does it, Again does it and it works. Navi doesn't event try.
I don't see how they can succeed playing so passive on CT side.
2011-10-24 17:56
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just get the fuck out kid. don't u ever fkn mention my name stupid troll. GO AWAY.. I don't have time for mentally challenged people like you. DISAPPEAR
2011-10-25 04:16
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*** Na`Vi cehe4ka yHocuT killed SK.RobbaN with a headshot from glock18 ***
*** Na`Vi markeloff /A/ killed SK.GeT_RiGhT -A- with a headshot from glock18 ***
*** Na`Vi markeloff /A/ killed SK.Delpan <3 Johan Wedel with a headshot from glock
2011-10-24 18:04
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GTR played good, pretty stupid from navi that they didnt understood that most likely someone from SK was going to do that from that window :D
maybe they have learn when next year eswc come :D
2011-10-24 18:05
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*** SK.f0restwOw~ killed Na`Vi cehe4ka yHocuT with a headshot from m4a1 ***
*** SK.f0restwOw~ killed Na`Vi starix /A/ with a headshot from m4a1 ***
*** SK.f0restwOw~ killed Na`Vi EdwardwOw~ with a headshot from m4a1
O_O
GOD?
2011-10-24 18:06
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GG
One more tittle for SK Gaming :)
Good job face, f0rest, GeT_RiGhT , RobbaN and Delpan . :D
I was scared after first half in inferno but they maked great comeback and take dd2 too easy :)
2011-10-24 18:31
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LOL
Best team of CS 1.6 - Natus Vincere! They won four times at the world championships in a row!
For SK it's first win in 8 years! as you can generally say that they are the best in the world?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!
Natus Vincere THE BEST TEAM OF CS EVER!
2011-10-25 10:18
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after a long time such great play from sk & yup delpan was amazing, not to mention get_right & forest of course. an epic performance from the whole lot.
2011-10-24 18:39
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AGAiN low for SK anyway!
SK beat AGAiN alot 2011 !!!!!!!
CRYYYYYYYYYYYYYY AGAiN AND AGAiN AND AGAiN !!!!!
Y U SO HURT??????? :(((((( No AGAiN MEDAL ESWC HAHAHAHAHAHA
not bronze even...... ROFL
Na'Vi > AGAiN
SK > Na'Vi
So SK better!!!
2011-10-24 18:57
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Conclusion, Sk>Na'vi. So fanboy's please stop being all over hltv 24/7 and stop spamming.
I can't lie and say that Na'vi did a good match, cus they didn't. They made a good half on inferno which was really impressive. But there is nothing more to say about that. GOOD GAME.
2011-10-24 18:43
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If there are so many stupid kinds , that's a reason to be a stupid kid also?
Be objective, Na`Vi and SK are top2.
People say often that Na`Vi are bad ,cuz everyone is used to that Na`Vi owns every team :D
2011-10-24 18:57
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I'm not one to trash talk or comment a lot. But there are some things worth mentioning:
- SK wins 2:0 against Navi. Not 2:1, not losing 1:2 or 0:2, but winning 2 maps to none (this is for all those who say SK can't beat Navi in a bo3)
- SK win on maps inferno and dust2 (this is for all those who say SK cannot win against Navi without playing in nuke)
- First map inferno, comeback showed heart, toughness, mentality of an experienced professional, and more heart (this is for those who say SK are chokers, has-beens, or other negative characteristic traits)
- Dust2 map was just domination. Anti-strats, great teamplay, great strats, and great aim showing all their skills. And they started out on CT nonetheless! (this is for all those who say SK can only win by their aim and have no strats or teamplay).
nt Navi
2011-10-24 18:57
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+1 If somebody btw says after this final all > RobbaN strat wise, ill fucking blow myself. Double fake rushes on terrorist sides (worked), nice CT pushes, nice D2 mid trap and nice flashes :))
2011-10-24 19:01
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I know, right? Awesome strats on both maps (apart from the first half CT side inferno, lol). But there's no need to "fucking blow" yourself hahah. That made me laugh.
Hmm, I do wonder if it was purely Robban's strats, or possibly Get_right's, or a mixture of ideas from everyone? Hehe great job nonetheless!
2011-10-24 19:13
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A strat executed specifically for the particular strat of the opponent.
You know how each team have their own strats, yeah? Well this won't always work, as you saw on the first half CT side for SK. So they started 'reading' Navi's strats and made plays/strats to counter them specifically.
For example, SK is not one to push or rush on a buy round when they are CT on inferno, but since it wasn't working out for them, and they knew Navi played slow most of the time, then they started pushing now and then, which won them several key rounds, such as the last round for them in the first half as CT, or the last round on the 2nd overtime which made them win the map.
2011-10-24 19:20
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