[POD]Cast with cArn, lurppis, Thorin

28-2-2013 15:26

fnaticTV has released the pilot episode of [POD]Cast, a weekly show featuring Patrik "cArn" Sättermon, Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen and Duncan "Thorin" Shields talk about Counter-Strike.

The show's emphasis is naturally on Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, which the trio will be talking about on a weekly basis. Exact schedule for the show may vary due to other commitments.

Future shows' topics may vary based on what is going on in the community, and there are plans to bring various guests on the show to talk about various subjects related to Counter-Strike.

cArn and lurppis team up for [POD]Cast

Pilot episode was pre-recorded and released as a VOD to avoid issues on the first time, but future [POD]Casts will be streamed live when possible so viewers will have a chance to interact with the show through Twitter.

This episode covers topics such as Mad Catz CS:GO Invitational, a debate over who has the best chance to dethrone NiP, talk about how to build a successful team and issues with events.

Viewers are encouraged to leave feedback through Twitter at @cArnCS, @lurppis_ and @Thooorin as it will help define how exactly [POD]Cast will look in the future when it has had a chance to develop further.

boost your mic next time carn.

2013-02-28 15:28

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Will do.

2013-02-28 15:40

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zonic, trace :D

2013-02-28 16:30

watched it yesterday gj

2013-02-28 15:30

Its like talkDota

2013-02-28 15:30

Loved it, nice roster.

2013-02-28 15:32

seems like a lot is going on over at fnatic these days

2013-02-28 15:34

yeah I watched this yesterday too, rly interesting stuff.

2013-02-28 15:38

great podcast watched the whole thing this morning :)

2013-02-28 15:38

As a ex- Source player i was amused about the rattlsnake section, all in all very interesting show, will watch the future ones! And please work on the microphone levels ;D

2013-02-28 15:43

Thorin is annoying as hell. Please find someone else.

2013-02-28 15:49

nice show gj fnaticTV

2013-02-28 15:53

Interesting stuff. Get some interesting players as guests and it will be perfect :)

2013-02-28 15:54

lurpis talks to much-_^

2013-02-28 15:57

ima gonna watch it because it's fnatic's production. cs:go still shite.

2013-02-28 15:58

Awesome!

2013-02-28 16:00

a soundcheck would be nice for the next time.

2013-02-28 16:04

you're looking good tomi

2013-02-28 16:06

About NiPs success with its mix between 1.6 and source players, I don`t see it as a gamble, because I think that purpose of this lineup is different from what it may seem, because after all CSGO was a new game at that time. But this is a key - "CSGO is a new game with new gameplay". For that reason it wasn`t just a sheer gamble, but proof that deciding factor for success will be ability to adapt to this new game and for that they had to choose intelegent players whose are able to think on theyr own. Choosing source players was for purpose to improve this adaption process to this new game, as the most important thing when adaptiong at something new is information and for that reason it`s definetly more effective to have people with different opinions. They started first, but that was also reason to be confident with theyr plan to utilize envronment of having team filled with smart and open minded players, even if they had only wild guesses about how CSGO would develop over time. Why are other teams not succesful by using same approach? Because they`re missing a point, it isn`t having a mix of both 1.6 and source players what`s most important, but having mix of players is just to enchance adaption process. But adaption process itself is main point and it`s far more important to have intelegent players whose are capable of coming up with stuff on theyr own and can learn by themselves. For example, the polar opposite of this approach would be choosing players whose instead of learning by themselves just copy what other players do and are generally useless for adapting to anything new unless someone shows them a way how to do it. NiP lineup was chosen for that reason - to have players whose are able to find that way on theyr own. Just my opinion, I could be wrong, but either way it is fact that all NiP players are very intellegent players and that was theyr reason to adapt to this new game this well.

2013-02-28 16:20

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The dominance of NIP proves just how 'intune' Heaton is with CS as a whole. Why hasnt carn, the supposed 'ledgendary' fnatic igl not been able to put together a winning csgo team with the ridiculous resources available to him? its because Heaton understands the game better than carn could ever imagine. heaton understands what it takes to build good chemistry through thick and thin and how to motivate his team to new heights. heaton dominated cs when it was truly a global game through tons of updates and changes from valve. carn simply emulated what others has done before hima nd continues to do so in his approach to build another succesful fnatic team. Heaton > carn

2013-02-28 16:18

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This has to be the dumbest comment ever made on HLTV.org, I can't remember something that's even close.

2013-02-28 16:27

Well said

2013-02-28 16:37

I'm disappointed he fucked up Torqued line up.

2013-02-28 16:39

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EXACTLY, fnatic is huting the scene and people claim its nip winning everything that is hurting the scene.

2013-02-28 16:39

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Yeah, we are definitely hurting the scene. We have definitely not: - Invested more money into Counter-Strike than any other organisation in the world - Produced most content around our players, giving the fans insights from our videos, blogs and pictures - Attended more tournaments than everyone else - Running our own "fan friendly" leagues and cups in CS1.6 and CS:GO. Oh wait, we have done all that. All to hurt the scene! Google is your friend.

2013-02-28 18:24

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carn #killingesports

2013-02-28 19:54

Ignore those idiots :D. This stratmatt fella clearly knows nothing about the scene or CS.

2013-02-28 20:05

he is one of the advanced trolls.

2013-03-01 20:18

loool, what a nice logic !! so if HeatoN goes to another team he would help them to be just like NiP ? hahaha as zaithaM said your comment is the dumbest one in this forum xD

2013-02-28 16:40

youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

2013-02-28 17:20

when cs was truly a global game with 3d and european teams competing without anyone from south america or asia even remotely relevant? truly global brah.

2013-02-28 19:37

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heaton >>>>>> lurpis

2013-02-28 20:19

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~90% of esea players > stratmatt

2013-02-28 20:40

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i barely play anymore because i have pretty bad cts nor do i try to make a living or money from playing games and talking shit like you do.

2013-02-28 21:40

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I just laugh at these kids who have the nerve to flame lurppis :D. He is professional player, most succesfull eSport player in Finland.... (was picked EG usa etc)

2013-02-28 22:31

don't worry i looked up your esea stats, your utter shittynes of being unable to break 0.5 fpr in pugs extends over your entire career

2013-03-01 04:30

Why you even bother to reply to those idiots?

2013-02-28 22:32

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for funsies

2013-03-01 04:30

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:DD

2013-03-01 20:19

epic trolling

2013-02-28 23:11

This.

2013-02-28 16:19

good show

2013-02-28 16:14

The picture shows which event ? and they (cArn - Lurpp - GTR - zonix - trace) performed for which team :O

2013-02-28 16:36

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its IEM 6 GC New York.. theyre playing cs:go, europe vs. america showmatch.

2013-02-28 16:50

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(y) thnx a lot dude i totally forgot this showmatch, and America was presented by whome ?

2013-02-28 16:54

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Team Europe: lurppis (WinFakt, Finland) GeT_RiGhT (SK, Sweden) cArn (fnatic, Sweden) zonic (mTw, Denmark) trace (mTw, Denmark) Team America: n0thing (Evil Geniuses, USA) volcano (ex. Team3D, USA) ksharp (ex. Team3D, USA) Storm (CheckSix, USA) fRoD (CheckSix, USA) VoD of the match: youtube.com/watch?v=ogcBfHjzsIU

2013-02-28 17:02

next episode bring Richard lewis and lurppis

2013-02-28 16:52

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IMO Thooorin said very interesting things. He's probably one of the guys who knows the most about CS and its history. He got a lot of insight and he seems to be a smart person. + he's like a CS wikipedia :D Richard Lewis on the other side knows nothing about CS as a game. edit: ah, you want Lewis to start a bitch-fight with Lurppis. I see, I see :D

2013-02-28 16:59

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Just because of Thorin I will consider watching this

2013-02-28 17:01

cant stand thorins accent

2013-02-28 16:53

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2013-02-28 17:04

Ill give my feedback. I enjoyed the show quite a bit, however my feelings, feels that you are shunning former Source players. fnatic once had the best Source team in the world so the organisation does have a rich history from the background of Source. I've already tweeted Thoorin, that RattlesnK went and led a team that went on to win the single biggest tournament in Counter Strike ever, which was Championship Gaming Series in 2008 under Birmingham Salvo, he knows what it takes to win at the highest level, and that is why people from the Source scene have always respected him. He also pulled his team last year, Mousesports, to a massive win last year at Copenhagen Games, which was the most competitive CS:S LAN since the years of CGS. Whilst I appreciate your knowledge may be thin in regards to CS:S, it'd be nice to see more of an objective view. Saying that ESC/Na'Vi are the only two teams who could dethrone NiP, is a little bit harsh to the other teams out there. Na'Vi looked tactically weak against VG on mirage, they went T side A every round, and when VG had the upper hand, they tried to mix it up but didn't quite do that. I actually feel that RattlesnK and his side will probably be the first team to take down NiP at an event, ESC could be another choice as they are continually improving, whilst VG will be there or there abouts. There are other teams like n!faculty who seem to blow hot or cold, and when they are hot, they could challenge. I am not criticising the show, however I did get the feel that we are still living in an age of the "1.6 Old Gentlemans Club". Perhaps that is just because I have followed both 1.6 and Source, and played Source for a long time, but we are now in an entirely new game, where both previous scenes are now together fighting for the same share of the prize money, which makes it more interesting. Other than that mic levels were good, I think lurppis had a few laggy moments, but generally I enjoyed it. So good job :D

2013-02-28 17:30

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i agree...nothing more to add there...css players/teams are really good and are more tactical...this is only a pilot show so i hope they will keep those things in mind and provide the neutral scenario of GO

2013-02-28 18:13

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where were all those teams on madcatz?

2013-02-28 18:52

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what are u talking about? there were ONLY 3 1.6 players and 12 source players in top3 at mad catz that's about 2½ source teams in top3, so I guess they were there?

2013-02-28 20:13

"RattlesnK went and led a team that went on to win the single biggest tournament in Counter Strike ever, which was Championship Gaming Series in 2008 under Birmingham Salvo, he knows what it takes to win at the highest level," Everyone knows his team won the first CGS, but come on: that "tournament" was one huge freak-show and can't even be considered as a true esport competition. Wining a CPL, IEM or WCG in a game with many years of competition means 100000x more than wining a show like the CGS in a relatively new and broken game. "to win at the highest level" roflmao "..last year at Copenhagen Games, which was the most competitive CS:S LAN since the years of CGS." There you got your answer: The fact that the CPH 2012 was the "most competitive CS:S LAN since 2008" just shows how non-existent the international competitive CSS scene was. No professional structures, no competition. No need to talk about it.

2013-02-28 18:50

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"Everyone knows his team won the first CGS, but come on: that "tournament" was one huge freak-show and can't even be considered as a true esport competition. Wining a CPL, IEM or WCG in a game with many years of competition means 100000x more than wining a show like the CGS in a relatively new and broken game. " Was broadcast to thousands on stage, and millions and millions accross multiple TV networks accross the world globally. Mainstream CS, something new, something completely different. Whether you think it was shit or not, it was the highest level at that time of any CS event, for the pure exposure, the amount of money gained by the CGS and the simplistic nature of it bled to the people outside of gaming. "There you got your answer: The fact that the CPH 2012 was the "most competitive CS:S LAN since 2008" just shows how non-existent the international competitive CSS scene was. No professional structures, no competition. No need to talk about it." You forget that the detrimental effects of CGS going under (more under mis-management and not sure how to play their cards right) had an effect on the overall CS:S scene. I said that CPH was the most competitive CS:S event since CGS because internationally it attracted the worlds best CS:S events to have one last hoorah before the game was due to die out with CS:GO. Previous to that there had been DSRacks, The eXperience LANs, and various other LANs after CGS (PC Gamer LAN in the UK was another). Your point about no professional structures and no competition, again is pretty much way off the mark.

2013-02-28 19:54

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"Was broadcast to thousands on stage, and millions and millions accross multiple TV networks accross the world globally." We all know that. However it doesn't mean it was good in terms of being "an esport tournament". In fact it was terrible. I'm following CS esport since 2002 and the CGS was by far the worst and most fucked up thing to follow for an esport fan like me. "was the highest level at that time of any CS event," Highest level in terms of what? Being a show? -> Yes Being an esport competition? -> Hell no! "You forget that the detrimental effects of CGS going under.." Oh come on: "1.6" went through much harder "things", like the end of the CPL (which actually made CS becoming big and which was THE thing in the CS world)or the short switch-over of some events (like the WCG) to CSS. However CS 1.6 esport was always a lot stronger than CSS esport ever was and that's why it could handle such troubles. "Previous to that there had been DSRacks, The eXperience LANs, and various other LANs after CGS (PC Gamer LAN in the UK was another)." But all of them are small events, not worth to list aside events like the IEM, the WCG, the ESWC, the Dreamhacks, the Arbalet Tournaments, the WEG Masters, the eStars, the SEC, the WSVG, the WEM, the ASUS tournaments, the KODE5, the DTS-Cup, the GameGune, the NGL-One,... which were always stacked with professional and strong teams from all over the world.

2013-02-28 20:23

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There is the reason why CSS struggled.... ie we had to build our own event system up, whilst 1.6 had all the glory for years. You kind of don't get why losing CGS was a bigger deal than 1.6 losing CPL. CGS was the biggest tournament we had, and a lot of it was focused around that, meanwhile 1.6 had events such as ESWC, WCG, IEM to fall back on with regards to keeping a scene motivated to continue and strive for more. The CS:S community had to build it's own set of events in a way that no 1.6er could even fathom to imagine. Also the cost of CGS was seen with the dismantlement of the old fnatic css team which had dominated the scene for so long, that the CGS combine had managed to destroy them (by drafting in players). The same could be said after that. However we have both digressed into another topic entirely.

2013-02-28 21:24

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"There is the reason why CSS struggled.... ie we had to build our own event system up, whilst 1.6 had all the glory for years." w00t? CS 1.6 (respectively 1.0-1.6) had to built up their event system too. In fact CSS benefited a lot from what the original CS scene created (for example the ESL) while CS 1.0-1.6 had to built up everything from the ground by themself (okay, to some part it used what was created by the Quake scene; e.g clanbase). "CGS was the biggest tournament we had, and a lot of it was focused around that," Exactly like the CPL... The point is: The CS 1.0-1.6 tournament system grew up in a natural way, whilst everything in CSS between 2005 and 2008 was kind of "forced". The CSS scene was extremely weak before the CGS, and it was weak after the CGS. Blaming the CGS for not having a strong and professional scene is just wrong. There shouldn't even have been a CGS in the first place. "Also the cost of CGS was seen with the dismantlement of the old fnatic css team which had dominated the scene for so long, that the CGS combine had managed to destroy them (by drafting in players)" So? A strong and healthy scene isn't based on a single team (not saying you're wrong with what you said, I just don't see how this would be relevant..). "However we have both digressed into another topic entirely." Ye we did ;)

2013-02-28 21:45

"Was broadcast to thousands on stage, and millions and millions accross multiple TV networks accross the world globally. Mainstream CS, something new, something completely different. Whether you think it was shit or not, it was the highest level at that time of any CS event, for the pure exposure, the amount of money gained by the CGS and the simplistic nature of it bled to the people outside of gaming." But you do realise why CGS gone bankcrupt? It was a disaster for the orgs. Good joke about the millions of viewers on a pay tv channel lol

2013-02-28 21:24

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Actually that point was covered with the "mismanagement" of money. There were millions watching on Eurosport, Sky TV, DirectTV, and various other channels which had subscribed to the idea of CGS. The reason why CGS failed, is because they had spiralling costs, and blundered money to the wrong places, then try and cover up the costs.

2013-02-28 21:25

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Okay. But only directTv covered the whole season inlcuding 2007 which none of them covered at that time. And what is "mismanagement" for a exuse? It failed thats it. For sure it was a mismanagement otherwise it wouldnt have been a failure. In the end not even the tv stations had interest to pay more. Since i guess the viewers count wasnt that great. I dont know the exact reasons beside fincial problems to cover the last/next season fully. You know more about the so called mismangement? Does it matter? In the end it was a failure. You talk about CGS like its the superbowl of the US. Or the UEFA cup of europe. With the difference that these events still exist and are profitable.

2013-02-28 21:36

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....You are actually clueless.

2013-02-28 21:35

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I am serious! You could make a huge promotion out of chess tournaments and get coverage on dozens of TV stations. Now the question will be it is profitable on a long term? CGS at that time wasnt. I mean CPL wasnt great either. How long did it lasted? 3years? One year longer than CGS. And on the last tournaments they didnt paid the prize money either.

2013-02-28 21:39

Let's be honest: The CGS was extremely boring to follow for someone who doesn't know about CS (it's just too hard to understand without knowing how the game works and it looked very monotonous) and very annoying to follow for someone who is already into CS/esports (who the fuck wants to watch 3rd person view of players far away from the where the action happens?). The concept was doomed to fail, independent from the mismanagement.

2013-02-28 21:52

actually complexity won the first CGS season in 2007

2013-02-28 21:12

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my bad. you're right. it was the second.

2013-02-28 21:14

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and that was a cs 1.6 team :D

2013-02-28 21:17

NaVi got a free bomb plant there every round. They obviously knew how VeryGames plays on de_mirage. They were obviously not that experienced like VeryGames since VeryGames defused like 3 or more times through the smoke and NaVi just didn't get it.

2013-03-01 04:15

Really like this Pilot, i do hope you guys make some more. Like to hear your thoughts on UK scene and recent events etc.

2013-02-28 17:33

who can beat NiP? Virtus.pro

2013-02-28 17:37

This was actually fucking great, please continue making these.

2013-02-28 17:40

mic quality really bad :/ hard to watch. Hope you guys gave a scathing review of CSGO, valve needs a serious wakeup call with how they are updating it.

2013-02-28 17:53

This was a great watch

2013-02-28 18:00

i would rather see some pros in csgo, rather than cs wannabe, 1.6er and thorin. srsly! i mean i like carn but this lurrpis guy is sooooooooo annoying.

2013-02-28 18:24

Great stuff; it's nice to hear professionals talk about these things instead of having the community spam for a change. Even the players themselves tend to be rather superficial with these topics. Which is also why I would enjoy having certain scene-significant players brought on this show and being "cross examined", forced to go in-depth on certain aspects of the game and scene. Having active CS:GO players in the mix would also help with understanding the (meta-)game better. It'd be really interesting to see if players are actually aware of the things lurppis mentioned (peaking advantages due to interpolation, no upset clutches happening due to recoil and how that leads to mistakes not being punished and the offensive T side becoming more and more favoured even on maps like de_train) to a degree where they incorporate the changes they imply into their tactics. For instance, I don't think the majority of the teams are aware of how much more worthwhile and less risky it is to steadily go for CT aggression and how the matches are likely to pan out T-sided if the teams stick to the old CT playing style. The offensive side has an easier time getting the entry frags due to peaking advantages and the rest of the rounds is likely to play out in the favour of the team which has more members standing due to the consistent trading that is going on as soon as the pushes start. As far as the line up for the show is concerned, I'd like to see you three guys and like I mentioned a fourth person coming from the active CS:GO player scene. Since I know that it is not always possible to get together, especially with 4 people rather than 3, you could always switch on of you three whenever that person doesn't have the time. Oh, and you could also maybe find a more strict structure for your pods. Maybe like picking 5 topics and dedicate ~15min. to every single one. This would also allow for some convenient time marks to be given under the video, as to where is being talked about what. But of course, if you plan to go LIVE with the casts, such a structure is hard to maintain, especially if you inegrate chat questions of the community.

2013-02-28 18:45

thorin tells a funny story.. 30 minutes past. he finished it

2013-02-28 19:17

It would be cool if you guys would add timestamp in the description like "24:47 - *topic*" Good job on the show, enjoyed it :P

2013-02-28 20:01

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yeah some guys really dont have the time to watch the full stuff to understand it or just want to hear a certain topic.

2013-02-28 21:10

lurppis talking about csgo,just lol.

2013-02-28 20:34

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Believe me, it's much better than you :)

2013-03-01 01:43

Remove lurppis please. Then i might watch it.

2013-02-28 20:38

cArn should get a voice double, cus he sounds like a little bitch

2013-02-28 22:01

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7H suck

2013-03-01 02:43

really interesting stuff, keep up the work!

2013-02-28 22:39

Really interesting. Share like 90% of your points. And NaVi will beat NiP!

2013-03-01 04:15

2013-03-01 19:03

Kinda sad to see people still compare us with the old lineup (Cajun, ruggah, Pimp, MSL, Nille) I would say, since we changed 2 players, were one of them is the IGL, that it cant be compared. We failed with the last lineup for sure, but this lineup is another story. A new menality, and a lot of other things have changed since :P Also we do not forfeit our ESEA games cause we cant go trugh. It has been a public secret that we did not pracc the maps in the league, because of our roster changes, and the fact that we wanted to be ready for HKLAN and madcatz. We decided to play the league done, since its an honor to play it. Next season will defently be another story, if we are allowing to join :) Kinda all related to you Luppirs :D -------- Great idea, and exciting to hear your comments and ideas on the diffrent topics. ESplant tryed it, but i must say that this have a little more quality. Keep up the good work! :)

2013-03-01 22:49