4PL comments on cheating scandal

4PL has issued a statement to shed some light on the cheating scandal involving Temp.no and two German teams.

On Wednesday, Temp.no and German duo effect and LeiSure were disqualified from 4PL's €3,500 CS:GO league after it was discovered that some of their players had been caught cheating.

The Norwegian team denied having used any cheating software and hinted that there might have been a problem with their config settings, which are accepted in ESL competitions.

However, 4PL has maintained its stance and stressed that all the players who were banned used a program called Immunity, which is developed by Organner and has a monthly cost of €30. The cheat's description reads that it is "the world's first cheat to run purely from Kernelmode."

"Speculations about console commands, GUIs or a fast mousemove other CFG-settings, which could be responsible for a detection are far-fetched and complete nonsense," a 4PL statement continues.

"4PL-Insight! is a highly complex software, which was used against another highly complex and professional software and made it innocuous.

"To describe this action more clearly without giving to much information to the opposite side, is very hard. But in fact a new recognition method was used which is far, far away from simple identifications by name or backtracking."

4PL further claims that its anti-cheating software, called Insight, is designed to detect cheating programs which are specifically developed for professional gamers.

Contacted by HLTV.org, 4PL said it is impossible to provide evidence that these players used Immunity as it would help cheat developers to bypass Insight in the future.

HLTV.org has tried to contact Temp.no for a reaction to the news, but has not received a reply.

With 4PL keeping its ban of the trio, there are three slots left in the €3,500 league, which will be given out in a last-chance qualifier, to be held on Sunday.

#1
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truth | 
Norway tomzeyRrRRrR
l o l
2013-03-21 15:00
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#2
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Latvia SHERLOCKTT
useless shit who cares...
2013-03-21 15:02
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#3
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Norway mrstatic
How could possibly their anticheat pickup something that wire and the esea client couldn't, I don't believe that tbh.
2013-03-21 15:03
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Belgium esTEK
reword that.. how can organner sell a cheat that bypasses esl wire, esea and eac, software of 500k (esl)..
2013-03-21 15:06
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#31
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World Didge
By Organners own admission, 4PL Insight is an advanced anti-cheat. Just because one product claimed to cost half a million euros does not make it more effective than one that cost considerably less... its just the 4PL developers have had a break through where others haven't... It would seem. Good job
2013-03-21 15:13
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#186
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Portugal mfxd
Esea is the only anti cheat that organner cant bypass organner.pl/anti-cheat#
2013-03-21 16:24
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#286
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Denmark ebola  
Organner bypasses ESEA. :-)
2013-03-21 17:30
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#383
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Belgium Zapper1337
on forums some say they can :'(
2013-03-21 23:26
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#448
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United States meh00143
costs so much more than CSGO... wonder if they've outsold GO in terms of $
2013-04-01 16:28
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#22
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United States joebagz
how do you know that they didn't just cheat for this one tournament?? ESL and ESEA are on the better side of the ACs so maybe they thought they could bypass the 4PL AC
2013-03-21 15:10
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#24
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France breezy0
that's my thought also
2013-03-21 15:11
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it's like asking why windows has more viruses than osx, simply because windows is mainstream. many people use esl wire and therefore there is a big market for making esl wire cheats, 4PL is relatively small and has decided to make it's own unique anti-cheat which requires a new approach. for most programmers it's not worthwhile to make cheats for such a small community
2013-03-21 17:08
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United Kingdom wtfchicken
Probably tell what the cheat is instead of boasting about the shitty software.
2013-03-21 15:03
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it's written in the post. The cheat is called Immunity.
2013-03-21 15:04
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Germany Icy423
"To avoid missunderstandings and to give no feed to the rumor pot: At the current cases, 4PL-Insight was specially aimed against Immunity"
2013-03-21 15:07
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#61
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Ireland dAND3h
You continue to amaze me with your inability to comprehend simple English.
2013-03-21 15:30
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#113
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United Kingdom wtfchicken
Does it really say that in the comment they let out? Sorry but I just don't see it. And I'm glad to see you string together a proper sentence for the first time.
2013-03-21 15:51
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#127
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Romania TRS1906
Yes, it clearly states what cheat they used.
2013-03-21 15:58
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#133
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United Kingdom wtfchicken
In the HLTV post, not in the their comment.
2013-03-21 16:01
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2013-03-21 16:13
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United Kingdom wtfchicken
Sorry, the link wasn't given to me.
2013-03-21 16:17
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#175
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Romania TRS1906
No problem, I just searched it myself since I don't think it's linked in the article.
2013-03-21 16:19
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Germany pa$co
2013-03-21 15:56
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Spain theraporter
The only statement they could pull off. And it's a pretty crappy one too.
2013-03-21 15:05
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tell us which cheat they used and not this bullshit maybe, didnt really help at all to clear things up
2013-03-21 15:05
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#13
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Finland KRNG-
Read the post again.
2013-03-21 15:07
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France breezy0
READ THE FUCKIN NEWS POST?!
2013-03-21 15:09
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I read the statement, how could I know that they write not about the actual cheat and HLTV.org has to do that.
2013-03-21 15:12
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#164
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Romania TRS1906
goo.gl/v3OUn Or in German if you prefer: goo.gl/cbKzp
2013-03-21 16:14
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Serbia serpent
Is this the Immunity they talk aboyut, google found this: organner.pl/p/immunitycsgo
2013-03-21 15:06
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United Kingdom TheBoo
they have told you are you stupid, "immunity".
2013-03-21 15:09
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#130
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Serbia serpent
?
2013-03-21 15:59
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Big blow for Organner..
2013-03-21 15:07
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#124
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Poland ursoos
I hope it's true. Organner should burn in hell for developing this cheating software :[
2013-03-21 15:56
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Denmark rove`
+1
2013-03-21 17:30
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#354
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Germany dicheridoo
dafuq? if i could, i would also write cheats and sell them like organner ... the people using these cheats should burn in hell, not the programmer
2013-03-21 19:21
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Belgium esTEK
4PL-Insight! should share knowdlegde to other orga's.. BB organner.
2013-03-21 15:07
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Sweden cliff_ct
random organizers with the best anti-cheat in the business.. I call bullshit. why would DaY risk his good, long reputation by cheating vs subpar german teams anyway? no sense at all.
2013-03-21 15:08
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#34
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Ukraine Slate
you answered to your question. it's logically, randon organizers, local teams. and he though that anticheat software random and shitty. but still i don't believe that DaY was cheating
2013-03-21 15:15
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France breezy0
By Organners own admission, 4PL Insight is an advanced anti-cheat. Just because one product claimed to cost half a million euros does not make it more effective than one that cost considerably less... its just the 4PL developers have had a break through where others haven't... It would seem. Good job
2013-03-21 15:26
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#115
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Sweden cliff_ct
or they've just made a mistake and are holding on to their stance because doing the opposite would make them look dumb and unprofessional.
2013-03-21 15:54
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#177
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United Kingdom Alth
Although this won't mean much to a lot of people on here, in CS:S there was a german player called dav1d who played for mTw. He was a beast on LAN, it was the best mTw side that was ever in CS:S and were challenging for top spots, considered one of the best in the world. Like I said, he was a sick player on lan, and still cheated online and was caught. Other players like nooky who has a huge range of achievements in CS:S, probably the most of any CS:S german player had his account banned by valve for cheating I believe, and the organisation claimed it was 'hacked' which is suspicious to say the least. Just goes to show people with a lot of achievements who play really well on LAN can still cheat if they wish.
2013-03-21 16:20
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World MUITYY
immunity is old as shit, and first to run purely from kernalmode? sweetbabyjesus
2013-03-21 15:08
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Reunion TheLastDream
DaY is a player i would believe is legit over some garbage software fuck up thanks anyways 4pl.
2013-03-21 15:08
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Sweden d3f3nd3R
They say its called immunity but still dont show any proof whatsoever, surprise surprise!
2013-03-21 15:09
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#30
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France breezy0
should they tell you exactly how they detected this shit just to make it easy for the cheat programmers to create a bypass? you are retarded.
2013-03-21 15:13
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Sweden cliff_ct
that's very convenient for them, isn't it?
2013-03-21 15:19
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#258
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United Kingdom pauLo-
What are you implying? That it's all a conspiracy to ban DaY?
2013-03-21 17:09
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#158
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Slovenia vegetko
so its ok if i organize a tournament, i write my own anti cheating software. after the tournament i say that someone cheated but i cant show you the proof cuz hackers would write a new hax which bypasses my anti cheating software. you would believe me right? even if i caught get_right right? i wouldnt call him retarded you know
2013-03-21 16:10
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#192
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France breezy0
but you see the reason why it makes sense to handle it this way, do you? if you play in this tournament you have to accept the rules and therefore you also have to respect the decision of the organizers. it's their tournament and they have the RIGHT to handle it this way, it's not about you believing them or not.
2013-03-21 16:27
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#315
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Slovenia vegetko
they should still proove imo. otherwise i can organize an online tournament and just say someone cheated, he gets bad reputation, no money (if they did finish among places which should get it), their practicing hours for this tournament are worthless (still useful for future ofc but still, they prepared for this tournament). imo (guessing) noone knew that they can get accused of cheating and not getting a proof, thats just not professional - at least i see it that way. for me its the same as...ok believe us, we know he killed that guy but hey, if we told you how we got him other killers might recognize his mistake so we cant give you proof for the greater good, believe us
2013-03-21 18:05
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#345
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Canada JUSTpei
+1 "believe us, we know he killed that guy but hey, if we told you how we got him other killers might recognize his mistake so we can't give you proof for the greater good, believe us"
2013-03-21 18:49
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#440
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United Kingdom Xxit
Its none of your business why these players have been banned. Its their tournament, their rules. Why should they reveal their anti cheat process, giving hackers a way round, creating more work for themselves fixing another bypass just so that you will believe them? If people dont like it they dont have to play there.
2013-03-24 06:08
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#447
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Slovenia vegetko
its like i said in the previous post in the killer example. you really dont find anything weird here? now idiots would say...well you cant compare killers with gamers which is not the point here, i just gave an example which uses some brutal logic which everyone knows is wrong and you can easily translate it to the bans theyre giving. ohh and about "their tournament, their rules"...yes that would be true if it didnt have any effect on other tournaments and how people see you. thats definitely not the case, i bet you would care if a post on hltv was about some shitty tournament admins 'busting' you cuz it decreases your reputation that you've earned with playing nonstop. "If people dont like it they dont have to play there." well you know most league/tournament admins communicate with admins from other leagues/tournaments and with such a small community there isnt really that much you can do after you get blacklisted. im not saying they didnt cheat, im just saying they have to proove or else community wont believe them, at least i hope so. how can it be none of my business if i was waiting for an explanation (they said they will give one) and i got shit? that wasnt "he was banned, period", that was "hello community you gonna get a proof soon". and hello, im part of this community so it is my business. and if you dont find anything wrong here i would like to hear the logic behind your thinking (ofc now it doesnt affect you in any way but what if you were Day and you didnt cheat).
2013-03-25 14:01
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Gianluigi 'nesz' Zarrelli 4pl.4players.de/index.php/de/member.prof.. busted :)
2013-03-21 15:09
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That was pretty sure that he gets busted soon or later tbh.
2013-03-21 15:13
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#33
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France breezy0
hahaha, if they busted him on this way too i really trust 4pl in this.
2013-03-21 15:15
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#349
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World ssess
dat nose
2013-03-21 19:09
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#21
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Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
who is that :O
2013-03-21 15:10
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#25
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Germany lloyd6077
nes was the guy who cheated against mousesports youtube.com/watch?v=HZgy7T1M0us
2013-03-21 15:12
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Norway DaY-
Seriously, what - the - fuck is "Immunity"? I'll give you the only proof you ned, my fuckings demos: speedyshare.com/Ud5mV/csgo123.rar Watch it with whatever f*king wallhack/anticheat/whatever you want and see there is absolutely no cheat there at all. Fuck u fucking retarded fucking german organisation.
2013-03-21 15:10
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Don't pretend you haven't heard of Immunity, DaY. You know the game man
2013-03-21 15:12
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#29
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Norway DaY-
I've never had any cheat on my computer during the 8-9 years ive played CS u dumb little piece of shit.
2013-03-21 15:13
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#37
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Bro don't sweat it this 4pl shit seems so sketchy they wont event reveal what they think the cheat was for or how it was used.
2013-03-21 15:22
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Are you freakin' retarded? It says in the news what cheat was used.
2013-03-21 15:25
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#38
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World Didge
I don't play CS anymore but even I know what immunity and organner is. The fact you're denying the existence of it is suspicious.
2013-03-21 15:18
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#45
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Norway DaY-
Buy cs:go and watch my demo retard
2013-03-21 15:20
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#71
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Denmark BATISTUTA9
It is not exactly helping you to call people retard or pieces of shit. Fact is that you could have switched on immunity briefly to get a overviw of positions and switch it off to not make any demo mistakes. If used with care, couple of times, and few seconds over an entire map, this would be impossible to see on a demo. Dont deny this. Im not saying you are guilty, im just saying that client bans are hard to run from, and your demo proves absolutely nothing.
2013-03-21 15:34
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Immunity does NOT have visuals. It's only aimbot+triggerbot. Regards
2013-03-21 16:25
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#289
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Denmark BATISTUTA9
Well what do i know! Not even a radar hack ?
2013-03-21 17:31
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#339
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Denmark buggeh
No. So yeah. I think he has a pretty good defense with his demos. If any aim-hack was used, one would be able to spot it. Or should atleast.
2013-03-21 18:38
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#416
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Norway duffz00r
thought about the same when i watched it imo
2013-03-22 18:33
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#274
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World Didge
How can you call me a retard when you're cheating you dirty piece of shit. Paying to CHEAT is shocking and I would have you hung if I had my way
2013-03-21 17:21
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#424
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
And where is your proof of him cheating? You can start calling people out when you have proof against them, otherwise he has the full right to defend himself and call you anything he wants, really.
2013-03-22 21:12
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#355
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Germany dicheridoo
haha. shitnap
2013-03-21 19:25
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#47
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Sweden d3f3nd3R
i never heard of organner or immunity until i read it here, Why would anyone that doesnt cheat know of ANY cheat software is beyond me!
2013-03-21 15:20
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#363
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Finland ZoqFotPik
this! i heard it first here as well.
2013-03-21 19:54
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#53
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Croatia spezz
I play cs probably longer than you and I also have never heard of it, so you have no need to raise suspicion just yet.
2013-03-21 15:24
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#56
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Sweden cliff_ct
he isn't denying its existence, he just hasn't heard about "immunity" (nor have I, though I've heard about organner). he might not give a shit about cheats and isn't active on forums like you are. just a thought.
2013-03-21 15:27
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#58
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Germany THE_FUHRER
I'm playing CS now for over 12 years. I didn't know what Immunity is, simply because I don't fucking care about any kind of cheats.
2013-03-21 15:28
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Ireland dAND3h
I have no idea what even is Organner so you are retarded.
2013-03-21 15:31
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Organner or Organism ?
2013-03-21 15:37
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World pmn247
That's perhaps you have or thought of cheating. I've been playing CS since beta and haven't heard of organner or immunity until recently.
2013-03-21 15:46
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#294
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Europe nigger89
I play CS and dont know about either, does that mean anything? no
2013-03-21 17:38
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#317
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Slovenia vegetko
i've been playing for dunno, 7-8 years. i know nothing about cheats, never heard about immunity, did hear about organner (it was on this forum regarding schneider) about one month ago. so yeah, not all players care about cheats, it depends a lot with who you play etc (ofc i've played many times against cheaters).
2013-03-21 18:09
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#366
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Finland ZoqFotPik
i've played cs since beta 4 and have never known a name for any cheat (except for general names like wh, aimbot, autoaim). this is the first time i learn a name for a cheat. i've heard chlenix before but what i understand it is a joke :D
2013-03-21 19:57
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#39
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Germany Icy423
Hey insult someone who didn´t say anything bad to you. Very smart move.
2013-03-21 15:18
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#62
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Ukraine piratz0r
haha indeed. he said that hes playing for fun so maybe he was using cheats for fun too. and looking at his comments here i can see that he got huge butthurt.
2013-03-21 15:31
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#99
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Italy VoHiYo
Wouldn't you be mad if you get busted cheating without even touching a cheat?
2013-03-21 15:46
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#176
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Ukraine piratz0r
i was "busted" few times and cuz i never cheated it was pleasure for my ego :D
2013-03-21 16:20
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#179
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Italy VoHiYo
Yeah you're a nonamer getting banned on public servers, this is a bit different.
2013-03-21 16:21
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#266
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Ukraine piratz0r
he's still overreacting imo
2013-03-21 17:18
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#267
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Italy VoHiYo
Well I don't care about your opinion.
2013-03-21 17:18
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#374
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Ukraine piratz0r
do you reply then? :D
2013-03-21 21:04
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#376
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Italy VoHiYo
So replying to your comment states that I care about your opinion or what?
2013-03-21 21:05
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#377
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Ukraine piratz0r
you replied to me cuz my opinion was different from yours and you still state that you just dont care? :D
2013-03-21 21:11
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#425
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
Everyone is different. Some people get more emotional about it. I would also be super upset if I was in his position.
2013-03-22 21:14
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#138
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Sweden cliff_ct
most people who've never been falsely accused of anything serious in life fail to comprehend how destructive it can feel. there are various natural reactions to a certain situation.
2013-03-21 16:04
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"u dumb little piece of shit." lol, calm down. Everybody lies dude, everybody.
2013-03-21 15:34
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#82
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Portugal Schypher
Take it easy. Thank you.
2013-03-21 15:38
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#35
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Sweden d3f3nd3R
are u a retard or something, i played cs since beta and i have never had any cheats, so i dont know the name of any of them until i read it on hltv.org
2013-03-21 15:16
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#54
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Croatia spezz
+1
2013-03-21 15:25
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Not saying he is cheating, but he obviously lies. Every semi-pro have heard of Immunity and Organner. Like, seriously.
2013-03-21 15:39
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#94
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Norway FI9SHER
So if u have played weg, cpl & wcg ur semi-pro okey ^^
2013-03-21 15:44
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So if you play 4PL for temp.no you are a professional Counter Strike GO player okey^^ I used to love watching DaY play, but this isn't onepointsix... Get it?
2013-03-21 17:45
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#368
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Finland ZoqFotPik
i doubt it
2013-03-21 20:02
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#393
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Sweden albvel
Never heard about Immunity, but of Organner ofc, when everyone talks about it and makes jokes of it whenever a player is good/dodgy. The cheats i've heard of are like old sh*t like: CD-Hack etc. Not this "Immunity" kind of thing. So stop coming out with bullsh*t like "have heard of Immunity and Organner". I bet those who know about and cares about cheats they search on them to find out more information, as some other guys dont even mind it(me and probally someone else too). Just dont think that everyone is part of the majority, there's still minorities :)
2013-03-22 10:16
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#426
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
>he obviously lies Based on what? Your retarded assumption?
2013-03-22 21:15
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#32
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Spain theraporter
I smell a German friend-politics move :DDDDDD Sucks though.
2013-03-21 15:14
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#46
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Bosnia and Herzegovina MILENKOLaka
Calm bro. All the professional players who played with you and know your skills will never believe in those accusations. Also, people who followed you and watched your POV demos will never believe too. Keep playing and ignore all dumb comments. Best of luck.
2013-03-21 15:27
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#85
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Denmark wynn
They claim their software rendered the proclaimed cheat "innocuous". I.e. disabling it prior to the actual match, making demos a moot point I'm not claiming anything myself, and don't find this somewhat random 4PL-Insight software to be sufficient evidence. There needs to be a higher "authority" who can evaluate and rule in these matters. Otherwise it'll unavoidably get out of hand very fast. But still, a more calm approach might seem recommendable :/ After all, there's no one who can't be "suffocated" with kindness. Stay frosty and leave it to the morons to be moronic ;)
2013-03-21 15:39
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#104
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Finland CaB456
2013-03-21 15:49
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watched some of the demos ... not all ofc. I'd say: def. not using Immunity Duo. 1. If you are using it: extremely legit settings, which would make an aimbot irrelevant. 2. Would be possible to spot on demo without extremely legit useless settings. 3. I bet false positive from insight. ( i used immunity duo for 1 month to see what it looks like on demo, how legit u can set it up etc. ....) Sad.
2013-03-21 16:55
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#273
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Denmark satanioN
If you are the real DaY I can't even begin to describe how insanely immature you appear in this thread. Aren't you like 25-30 years old? Maybe you should grow up and learn how to speak properly to people.
2013-03-21 17:21
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#298
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Europe nigger89
try and see things from his perspective for a second, although it doesn't justify him, he has every reason to be angry. All his reputation is sabotaged and hes been given a bad name for nothing, I wouldn't feel civil at this point when the organisation is clouding everything.
2013-03-21 17:41
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#312
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Denmark satanioN
Sure, but look at the way he is responding to the people here on the site. Angry or not, he comes across as extremely dumb.
2013-03-21 17:58
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#36
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Denmark crZy
ROFL PLEASE. Your talking about a guy who was at countless cpls eswc for gods sake hes one of the only good guys from no scene. Wake up 4pl.
2013-03-21 15:16
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#111
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
and what?
2013-03-21 15:50
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#185
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United Kingdom Alth
That means nothing though. I am not saying he cheated or didn't, I don't know and I am not that bothered, but do you seriously think because someone is incredibly LAN experienced it makes them unable to run a cheat on their pc at home? No.
2013-03-21 16:24
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#194
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France marrrk
no, but they cannot treat this case like DaY is just another random internet player, they'd better provide some evidence
2013-03-21 16:29
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#264
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United Kingdom pauLo-
Of course they can, he's not "above the law" just because he's a known player. It makes no difference how many LANs he's been to, this isn't suspicion from a demo, this is flat out busted on an anti-cheat.
2013-03-21 17:13
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#296
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France marrrk
ofc they can ban him from their league, doesn't mean we have to take for granted that he did cheat. How do you know he's actually been busted by the anti-cheat when you've not even seen a single piece of evidence?
2013-03-21 17:39
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#299
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United Kingdom pauLo-
I'm not sure what more evidence you require? The league has come forward and told everyone what hack he was caught using by their anti-cheat system, which apparently by Organners own recognition, is a good piece of software. They aren't going to release the logs because of frankly obvious reasons. This is more evidence than you get for most busts. At least they are clear about how he was caught unlike with xelos. Do you complain and ask for more information when ESL do their ban-waves? Why is this any different?
2013-03-21 17:42
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#303
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France marrrk
It is different because I don't give a fuck about random players as long as I don't get unfairly banned, as simple as that. Now that they have revealed which cheats are busted, the software in question will be updated within days and showing the logs or not won't change much to that.
2013-03-21 17:48
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#427
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
Yet they still provide 0 evidence. I can also claim that Neo and f0rest cheat because of my godlike psychic anti-cheat, does it make it a fact just because I've said so?
2013-03-22 21:18
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#40
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flusha | 
Slovakia jurrte
CHEATERS, CHEATERS EVERYWHERE !
2013-03-21 15:18
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#41
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REAL | 
Norway kakkopp
Bs!
2013-03-21 15:18
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#42
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Sweden Kicklaren <3
the only exciting thing CS:GO related: CHEATERS and its drama
2013-03-21 15:19
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#50
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France breezy0
true story!! :D:D
2013-03-21 15:23
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#60
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Germany THE_FUHRER
true :D
2013-03-21 15:30
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#350
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suNny | 
Argentina Sunnie
+1 .. Just Colombian Bitches Novel!
2013-03-21 19:10
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#48
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Norway Leffa
This is turning more and more into an obvious case of being fucked over by a league.. First we were stunned with the news that we had gotten a ban, but discussed it with each other and figured out that both day and moby are using a gui for cs:go witch is allowed in the ESL. We then had to rethink it when we were told a gui could not be detected by 4pl-insight. The only thing in common then was the jump+throwsmoke-bind they both have in their CFG... Now we are told that all DOUBLE DIGIT PLAYERS are being banned for using the same cheat, Immunity.. and this without giving out any information on how this is done, besides the obvious blabber about 4pl being the best anticheat ever. How can we respond to this? We cant really do anything then say we didn't cheat, and it's basically our words against theirs. I will never go near anyone who has anything to do with 4pl, in fear that they will throw out a cheat-accusation the second i win against their IRL friends. And i suggest everyone else do this as well. We know we are clean, so hopefully this wont follow us in the days/weeks/months to follow. Is that a statement enough for you?
2013-03-21 15:22
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Show us at CPH ;-)
2013-03-21 17:48
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#49
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Poland whOoOzAAA
Get what they deserve..cheating hoes
2013-03-21 15:22
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#51
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Norway skaardalk1ng
Boycott this shitty league/tournament. Seriously, i have never seen anything like this before.
2013-03-21 15:23
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#57
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Sweden d9lk
Funny how NiP (well, atleast get_right. aswell as rest of the hltv community) are 100% sure that DaY did not cheat but 100% that xelos cheated. Just because xelos has lower reputation.
2013-03-21 15:28
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#59
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 HLTV Verified Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
GeT_RiGhT | 
Europe GeT_RiGhT
Kinda weird that u point out and say that I think xelos cheats? Where have I written that hmm.. ?
2013-03-21 15:30
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#66
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France breezy0
no one is cheating! there are no cheats, something like that doesn't exist, it's all propaganda!
2013-03-21 15:32
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#67
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Ireland dAND3h
He probably doesn't expect you to read hltv comments because they are 99% filled with nonsense
2013-03-21 15:33
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#74
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 HLTV Verified Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
GeT_RiGhT | 
Europe GeT_RiGhT
Actually, I did comment alot before (after that I lost my login and I couldn't get my password because I removed the email and tried to contact nomad for it.. It took around 1,5 years to get it back!) But still, I'm just asking a question about it and waiting for an answer about it :)
2013-03-21 15:34
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#233
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Romania shinodabsk
go home get_right, you're drunk
2013-03-21 16:49
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#101
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Sweden d9lk
I was not sure about you, but atleast Fifflaren and Xizt. I might be wrong. Am i?
2013-03-21 15:54
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#252
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 HLTV Verified Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
GeT_RiGhT | 
Europe GeT_RiGhT
Not sure what they have said, but Im sure I haven't said anything on this matter :)
2013-03-21 17:06
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#380
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Europe Heavon
If you're not sure, why the heck did you accuse only him?
2013-03-21 22:24
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#381
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Sweden d9lk
I wrote Get_right because he defended DaY and not for accusing him for cheating. I just wrong. However, i did just as xizt & fiff (accusing xelos for cheating)
2013-03-21 22:28
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#123
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World FeNix-
Owning kids with cs skills and knowledge :)
2013-03-21 15:56
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#63
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Norway vENdetta
...yeah, that's why
2013-03-21 15:31
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#78
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Europe brooklynlol
And perhaps because DaY has been in the scene for so long, and is truly one of the good guys. He has been to countless lans and compete along the best the world has ever seen. It's kinda weird if he all of a sudden decided to cheat during an online tournament.
2013-03-21 15:36
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#107
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Sweden d9lk
And a guy in Sweden was a very good guy, he was never bad to people but one day he got caught for sexual harassment on child and CP. Kinda weird, but sometimes things can happen all of a sudden
2013-03-21 15:50
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7 replies
How on earth you can compare a cheat accusation with no proof, to a paedophile getting caught I don't know.
2013-03-21 16:08
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#187
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Sweden d9lk
I don't know. What I wanted to say is that you can end up cheating even if you are a nice guy or not
2013-03-21 16:25
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#456
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
truth | 
Norway tomzeyRrRRrR
hahaha your a fucking cp d9lk, kill your self, fatfuck
2013-05-30 14:39
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#457
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Sweden d9lk
you better shut your mouth twat
2013-05-30 16:40
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#458
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
truth | 
Norway tomzeyRrRRrR
Or else.
2013-05-30 17:35
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#460
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Sweden d9lk
or else i will visit your home knob
2013-05-30 18:28
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#461
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
truth | 
Norway tomzeyRrRRrR
come at me
2013-05-30 18:59
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#65
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Norway DaY-
This is what I think: 1. Some shitty admin banned my because he/she found something weird in my cfg that he/she didnt know what was. 2. Oh shit, 4PL found out that they actually banned a player who is well-known in the CS-community and all the big CS-sites are suddenly writing about it. 3. Fuck, what the fuck do we do know? If we pull our statement back, we will appear as completely fucking retarded idiots. 4. Okey, lets make a new statement with basically the same information as in the first one.. As I wrote earlier, watch my demos and you'll see there is no cheat there what-so-ever.. I would also appreciate if someone could make a youtube video of it as i suppose 90% of the readers here cant be bothered downloading the demos. (U'll prolly get alot of hits on your youtubechannel) speedyshare.com/Ud5mV/csgo123.rar
2013-03-21 15:31
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#73
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Ireland dAND3h
Not even anypoint in showing the demos. People with a clue will know without looking you didn't cheat. But someone who already thinks you cheat will find dodgy moments in your demo, same as every clean demo, so it doesn't seem like there is any point to that^^
2013-03-21 15:34
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#86
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Norway Twiity
+1
2013-03-21 15:40
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#140
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Germany VxO4
Well on the organner site they claim immunity is save to use on 4pl insight :D I think you are right. Insight was never known for being one of the better anti cheats. back in the days when 4players was new etablished all the playes which were banned on ESL just joined 4players and raped some ass there without getting caught :D But hey that was 1 year ago. I dont know if their anti cheat prog improved. Dont know how well it does in cs:go either.
2013-03-21 16:06
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#69
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World Bronzz
DaY & co are clean. THis so cald "4pl" organisers are punch of retards and doesn't recognize diffrence between good players and cheaters. Seems that they think its not normal if good team wins bad team with big score? This is worthless sh*t league. Wont even probably pay the prize money :DDDD
2013-03-21 15:33
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#70
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Iceland dannoz
don't buy it, give the community some proof other than your word
2013-03-21 15:33
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#75
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Europe wooly1337
germans and brazilians should be banned from playing CS overall in any online league competitively . Check esea ban lists for the american region . 90% of them are brazilians. And germans are like brazilians in EU :P hueheuheuheuhHUEHEUHueh
2013-03-21 15:35
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#80
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France breezy0
but those bans are mistakes like this one also, i'm sure!!
2013-03-21 15:37
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#93
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Germany FatShady
nice try
2013-03-21 15:44
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#375
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Europe wooly1337
im serious.
2013-03-21 21:05
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#77
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United Kingdom theSGL|toby
I admin a league we don't ban a player without putting a link on there profile with where the cheat was found and what cheat it was. the way they have handled this whole situation has ruined the reputation of 1 of nicest players over the past 10 years. not only that they have ruined there Own league reputation for the future. P.S: watched the demo and there's not 1 dodgy thing about it. Used to be a great player now plays for fun they should be ashamed at how they have handled this.
2013-03-21 15:36
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#92
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United Kingdom Markzz
mmm,
2013-03-21 15:44
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#122
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Norway FI9SHER
So true!
2013-03-21 15:55
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#150
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Germany VxO4
Yeah and Organner claims their immunity is save to use on 4pl insight
2013-03-21 16:13
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#217
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Norway  prebz-
Agreed!
2013-03-21 16:42
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#418
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REAL | 
Norway duffz00r
indd
2013-03-22 18:43
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#79
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World Bronzz
Watch the freaking demo.. speedyshare.com/Ud5mV/csgo123.rar speedyshare.com/Ud5mV/csgo123.rar Why would day cheat in this game if became one of the best players in CS back in the days.. bitch please
2013-03-21 15:36
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What is this shit? Just a written statement that they cheated? No screenshots, no data, no logs whatsoever, NOTHING?? ROFL get a grip 4PL you are the worst organisation/admins I have ever seen in CS and I've been around CS since 2001 (obviously not playing actively since a few years back but still)
2013-03-21 15:38
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#87
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Norway Polly717
What I don't understand is how a site like that can come out an claim 100% sure that a player cheats without providing ANY kind of evidence. I understand that they don't want to let organner or other cheatcoders out there learn how to bypass their AC, but in every aspect of life you have to provide evidence when making a serious accusation. Its like in a court room the prosecuter won't show his evidence to why a man should be sentenced for murder, cause then the next man who's gonna commit a crime will just avoid making the same mistake... thats not how the world works. When accusing someone of a serious crime, cheating being the most serious of crimes we can commit in progaming, you need to provide concrete evidence.
2013-03-21 15:41
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#332
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Portugal krezylobstah
what you have to understand is that esports is still very mature and poorly regulated. basically these leagues can do whatever they feel like as long as that "whatever" isn't in their regulations or contracts. there's a lot of grey areas left at least in counter-strike. riot for example does a very good job of regulating any official tournaments (as in tournaments sponsored or organized by them) which helps a LOT keeping the credibility of the game's competitive scene. sure they don't have such a big problem with hacks on LoL, but still...
2013-03-21 18:26
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#88
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kinkybdsm | 
Other MissingN0
nice job trying to kill a game thats already dead. good job, this game scene is a circus a freak show!
2013-03-21 15:41
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#91
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Belgium Yoshk
No Way. DaY didnt cheats !
2013-03-21 15:44
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#96
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Netherlands woOtbot
judging by the reaction of the certain player, I'd say it's good that they got banned. Oh, and even things like custom GUI's shouldn't be allowed anywhere.
2013-03-21 15:45
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An individuals reaction to being publically outed as a cheater with no evidence isn't a reason for a ban. As for custom GUIs, I don't use them but players should be able to customise one of the very few things we can in CSGO.
2013-03-21 15:50
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#152
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Norway cENTRYZ
I'd be pretty pissed too if I played CS for 10-12 years and had a really good reputation, then out of nowhere get accused of cheating. Now his reputation is pretty damaged just because of a random german organisation.
2013-03-21 16:09
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#231
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Netherlands woOtbot
If you are not a cheater, why go mad and try to prove something if everybody knows hes not a cheater?
2013-03-21 16:47
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#428
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
The problem is that nobody knows because there is no evidence whatsoever. If he doesn't stand up to defend himself it will seem like he is admitting that he cheated. His reaction is perfectly normal tbh.
2013-03-22 21:26
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#159
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Germany VxO4
So you hand out a ban for cheating because of a unkown GUI? Are you kidding me? Its not like he just got a ban/penalty for a week. And as mentioned in the 4pl statement. They banned him for a certain cheat not a GUI
2013-03-21 16:12
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#228
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Netherlands woOtbot
I shouldn't included GUI in my post, because it was not the main point, just the side note ffs!
2013-03-21 16:47
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#265
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Germany VxO4
And still you would ban someone permantly just because he used a wrong gui?
2013-03-21 17:14
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#288
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Netherlands woOtbot
It is not because of GUI! GOD..
2013-03-21 17:31
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#97
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World Bronzz
Bad league,bad organisers.
2013-03-21 15:45
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#98
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Poland Topbunna
If the anticheat is in fact innovative and effective, pitch it to esl and make some money.
2013-03-21 15:45
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#102
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United Kingdom Mist^
Not seen the demo yet so I can't comment but.. .. where are the screen shots? " it is worth pointing that 4PL-Insight! is creating error-free Ingame-screenshots under all common DirectX-versions and because of this, it gives the complete security package to you. " 4pl.4players.de/index.php/en/News:berich..
2013-03-21 15:48
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#103
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World Bronzz
woOtbot ,you're some kinda hater and who never became good. those GUI's doesn't include any cheats . please gtfo with this guy. DaY has no reason to hack.
2013-03-21 15:48
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#128
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Netherlands woOtbot
Sure, but maybe someday someone downloaded a cheat to watch demos or something, and then the anticheat got triggered by something or somebody hacked into his computer or whatever. I'm just saying that shit happens and other players don't seem to have a problem with it.
2013-03-21 15:58
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Evidence please. I don't care whether you don't want to know how your software catches these people, but you must have logs/identifiers that clearly show this. Where was this cheat located? When was it loaded? Where are the logs to show both of these things? Trust 4pl, or a guy who has been around the CS scene forever and been on countless top teams and to loads of LANs and never had a cheat accusation against him. I know who's side I'm on.
2013-03-21 15:49
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#106
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Sweden devilwalk
DaY wouldnt cheat, and i dont think anyone from temp.no would, they are destroying a mans career, which he has been building for a very long time. and thus he deserve's some proofs instead of a text message from 4pl.
2013-03-21 15:49
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#116
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REAL | 
Norway kakkopp
+1
2013-03-21 15:52
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#348
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Sweden Mattyy
Well 4pl works like esl. They wont give out the proofs. Just like in xelos case. :/
2013-03-21 19:02
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#108
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Finland joona
How would you react if they would state same thing about GeT_RiGHT or f0rest-caliber player getting banned by using Immunity/Organner/IDK. However if they would do it like in this case by just saying "our anticheat is best they clearly cheated" how many people would believe stuff like that without actual evidence like in this case? Just useless drama again UNTIL they give pr00f which i doubt.
2013-03-21 15:50
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#359
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Germany dicheridoo
did esl ever give proof for the wire bans? dont think so...
2013-03-21 19:30
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#429
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
So that makes it a good thing?
2013-03-22 21:29
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#109
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Sweden schneider
sad for DaY he´s a great player and doesn´t deserve this shit against him :( i think everyone with a brain knows that DaY didnt cheat.
2013-03-21 15:50
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#114
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
DreaMy-M- - schneider fan club and u say that rofl
2013-03-21 15:51
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#129
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Norway ctm_snurr
d3f /A/ - <3 RE1EASE and u say that rofl...
2013-03-21 15:59
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1 reply
#149
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Finland CaB456
Re1ease - the infamous cheater ...?
2013-03-21 16:08
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#135
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Germany jbk1g
said the guy who is not cheating ROFL
2013-03-21 16:01
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#160
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France breezy0
don't make us laugh seriously
2013-03-21 16:12
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#112
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Norway SUPERKALLE
DaY is clean, end of discussion...
2013-03-21 15:51
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#117
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Greenland peter-
true story...
2013-03-21 15:53
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one does not simply ban DaY without being a fucking retard.
2013-03-21 15:53
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#137
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Romania xPAz
Epic.
2013-03-21 16:02
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#153
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Finland CaB456
Sauce admins probably!
2013-03-21 16:09
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1 reply
#423
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REAL | 
Norway duffz00r
must be
2013-03-22 20:23
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#120
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
that's so fuckin stupid to judge people online by their lan experience if they visited LANs doenst mean they never cheat online. there are lots of examples of such persons
2013-03-21 15:53
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There's a difference of having LAN experience, and being a long standing member of the professional CS community. DaY is one of those guys who's always been there at the top of CS, he's been in the top teams, been to all the top LANs, and not once (even online) has he been accused of cheating. Yet, 4pl decide to tell everyone he has cheated without providing a single shred of evidence.
2013-03-21 15:56
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#391
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
but there are lots of such guys who had great lan experience but cheated online, even if they were well known
2013-03-22 05:45
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Name one player who has 10 years experience of playing in top teams, top LANs and for their country who has been caught after all that to be cheating in some random cup.
2013-03-22 12:29
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#397
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
mTw | dav1d, ALTERNATE | kRYSTAL
2013-03-22 16:35
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Name one player who has 10 years experience of playing in top teams, top LANs and for their country who has been caught after all that to be cheating in some random cup. AKA not random Germans.
2013-03-22 16:37
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#399
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
that's are not ranmdom germans
2013-03-22 16:39
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#400
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
mTw.de was i believe the best german squad to play css ever. dav1d was one of it's core players dav1d: youtube.com/watch?v=-C07VwQwmb0 their lan movie youtube.com/watch?v=Ur0YA1N2xcY bust movie of dav1d, it was during PCW against SNOGARD dragons. but unlike all those cheaters like shneider he confirmed that he cheated and left the scene. kRYSTAL who is playing for ALTERNATE ATTAX and if by far their best player cheated online, the best example is his fragclip youtube.com/watch?v=_0UvhF6LpYQ i didnt follow QUAKE scene a lot by as far as i know many of ql players cheated online, moreover in sc2 some famous person's smurfs were banned for mapphacking
2013-03-22 16:48
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I know who dav1d and kRYSTAL are, kRYSTAL has been known a cheat his whole career, nothing like DaY. Dav1d I don't really know much about. Again, neither can be compared to DaY.
2013-03-22 16:50
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#402
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
why so? i bet dav1d played cs also for a long time. the fact that u followed just 1.6 scene doesnt make players from other scenes "random unknowns" if u followed sc2 scene u would know that lot's of top players cheated with maphacking like TT1 and Dragon, but as maphacking is really hard to detect it is really unknown who else did that. these two just confirmed that they cheated
2013-03-22 16:52
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I played CSS since 2007. I know both the players, and they are not on the level that DaY is and was. You can't compare a player who has been known as a cheat, to get caught, to a player who has never done anything of the sort. I know people cheat in SC2, what's that got to do with this?
2013-03-22 16:55
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#404
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
i saw DaY in CS:GO and he is shit - that's first. secondly my arguments are about the fact that even successful players were cought cheating. and being a decent players for years doesn't mean that u wouldn't cheat on 11th year of playing. do u know ToD? do u know that he was cought cheating several times on different tournaments? i bet u don't
2013-03-22 16:57
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Yes, I know ToD, again stop giving me random names to try and make a point, it's not working. The skill level of DaY in CSGO is irrelevant, it's the fact he has been at the top of CS since the very early days, never been accussed.
2013-03-22 17:00
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#407
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
if u know ToD, then u ca't say "random names" he is 100x times more successful than DaY, u asked for famous persons who cheated, i give u examples
2013-03-22 17:04
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4 replies
In Counter Strike, not random games.
2013-03-22 17:49
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#409
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
lol, you are retarded, sc2 and w3 are more respected games than cs
2013-03-22 18:06
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2 replies
Seriously, do you even understand what you are saying?
2013-03-22 18:11
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#412
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
yes i do
2013-03-22 18:18
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#184
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Germany VxO4
But if they visited dozens of lans and did quite well on them you could assume they chance they would cheat only is pretty low
2013-03-21 16:23
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#390
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
but there are lots of such guys who had great lan experience but cheated online
2013-03-22 05:45
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#430
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
And banning people based on nothing is not stupid?
2013-03-22 21:31
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imo, this ban has one of the following 2 reasons. or both. 1. retarded admins - most likely; even CB and ESL admins are morons and ban with no proof. proly they had no idea who they are baning and the ecos this ban might have. now they can't simply step back. 2. maybe it is a comercial for this new big hit tool. DaY is one of the oldest and respected cs players. DaY caught by this new big hit tool they have can make 4pl-insight some publicity
2013-03-21 16:00
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#134
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Romania xPAz
It's a hole soap opera done by a german organization. Who are they going to trust if a german follower is saying that the other team is full of cheaters? That is actually pretty easy, but retarded. Boycott them? Nah, they don't even deserve that. People are going to see the truth behind this shitty report. After these series of comments done by the "officials" they won't step back and they are going to see the consequence quite soon. If you put the idea of Day cheating for fun, for instance, how low iq-ed can that person be to play in an official game? Ok for fun, but not this kind of fun when it comes to this guy reputation, seriously. Who believes the "report" from those dipshits must be an ape.
2013-03-21 16:01
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#171
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Germany VxO4
What i seriously dont like in the german scene is: If one german team loses. And this one german team takes up a protest against the foreign team, no matter what they accuse the foreign team off the whole german community just jumps on the train and accuse the other side of cheating without any serious arguement. Just like a 12 years old kid supporting their number one idol. But the reality is some of these guys are ever above 25 years old and act like childs
2013-03-21 16:20
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#431
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
That's why nobody takes germans seriously.
2013-03-22 21:33
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#136
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World Bronzz
+1 4pl trying to get some attention..-
2013-03-21 16:02
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#146
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Romania xPAz
You know, the best advertisement is a negative one. But still those retards are dead serious when it comes to negative. And is this the way that this competition could gather more people by "HI WE BANNED A FAMOUS PLAYER THAT CHEATED BUT ONLY OUR SOFTWARE COULD DISCOVER THIS"? Well, that's wrong, because they decided do accuse someone with a clear as white file. And that's just my opinion.
2013-03-21 16:07
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#346
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Denmark buggeh
:DDD The best advertisement is a positive one. But if you can't get that, then a negative one is better than none.
2013-03-21 18:54
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#396
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Finland rad1um
*cough* Justin Bieber *cough*
2013-03-22 14:56
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#142
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World Bronzz
But DaY knows that he didn't cheat,he doesn't need to proove us anything. in cph we will se him playing. Hope he get same level what he had in 1.6!
2013-03-21 16:05
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This things will ruin community and competitions. This is 2nd time in one month, so it's not so good.
2013-03-21 16:06
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#145
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Romania TRS1906
If the anticheat truly can detect Organner's hacks, it's only a matter of time until he fixes it. They're rumors he knew guys in EAC and ESEA to help with that kind of stuff. So imo, they should just release the evidence, because if they truely did use the cheats, Organner knows and will try to fix the problem. Edit: Also the anticheat being good or not is irrelevant, I've seen a guy get caught with Immunity on one of the worst anticheats ever in a portuguese gather website.
2013-03-21 16:08
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#157
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Germany VxO4
About the guy who got caught? By which anti cheat? Or was it by demo?
2013-03-21 16:10
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#169
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Romania TRS1906
Screenshots, and caught another guy with x22 too, this guy even came to me asking how the fuck the anticheat took screenshots of him :DD
2013-03-21 16:15
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#180
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Germany VxO4
I mean what anti cheat are you guys using over there? Still sXe injected?
2013-03-21 16:21
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#183
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Romania TRS1906
Nah, it's a self developed anticheat, it's pretty shitty.
2013-03-21 16:23
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#190
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Germany VxO4
Which league is that program used for? Name?
2013-03-21 16:25
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#196
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Romania TRS1906
It's just for a gather community excello.pt/gather
2013-03-21 16:30
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#205
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Romania TRS1906
Btw it was framework, not immunity. My mistake.
2013-03-21 16:33
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You are 100% retarded. Pls tell me, how u can detect an AIMBOT with screenshots. Immunity doesn't have visuals, its pure aimbot+triggerbot. So go ahead..pls tell me how u detect trigger and aimbot with a screenshot. Hahahahaha
2013-03-21 16:31
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#201
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Romania TRS1906
Framework, my bad. No need to insult me ;)
2013-03-21 16:32
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3 replies
#284
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Netherlands KUBUSPATS
Where does he insult you?
2013-03-21 17:27
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#333
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Romania TRS1906
"You are 100% retarded"
2013-03-21 18:27
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1 reply
#337
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Netherlands KUBUSPATS
You must have a hard life if that's an insult for you on this forum
2013-03-21 18:31
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#147
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GuardiaN | 
Serbia NESi [w]
we want proofs!
2013-03-21 16:08
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#204
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Malta Eneko*
proof dat anti cheat detect cheat? what
2013-03-21 16:33
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3 replies
#276
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GuardiaN | 
Serbia NESi [w]
I want to see that "cheat"
2013-03-21 17:22
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2 replies
#297
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Malta Eneko*
so u dont believe in cheaters ?
2013-03-21 17:39
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1 reply
#327
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GuardiaN | 
Serbia NESi [w]
I believe, but DaY is oldskul player and nowadays admin made pretty big mistakes
2013-03-21 18:19
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I think DaY has established himself enough in the community. There should really be no doubts about this hes obviously clean. He has been playing at the top of CS longer than many people have even started playing CS. His reputation should be sufficient in my book. Thats the whole point of building a reputation. When the time comes to use it it should be an advantage.
2013-03-21 16:08
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#178
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France breezy0
that's one of the most stupid arguments i've ever read. because i respected the law for 50 years i'm now allowed to go and murder a person but hey, everyone knows i've been a nice guy for so long, no one can fuck me!
2013-03-21 16:21
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No, but if you did I'd only expect you to be called out by the police as the murderer if they had evidence and could prove it.
2013-03-21 16:28
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#206
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France breezy0
that's exactly what they did? they didn't watch the demo and said there are some fishy scenes and therefore banned him for that, their AC detected certain files which made the use of some illegal software clear. and i think we can agree that's A LOT more than just saying he cheated based on his demos.
2013-03-21 16:34
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#214
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Romania xPAz
If it is like you are saying, why not to release a report where it is clear explained and showed the cheat? That's what i don't understand this hole story.
2013-03-21 16:40
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#220
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France breezy0
releasing for what? just to satisfy some raging nerds or to make it cheat developers easy to create a bypass?
2013-03-21 16:44
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#259
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Romania xPAz
Let me think. Please don't tell me that they don't update those programs frequently and they really, really don't have tips how to crack anticheats. Come on, please. And don't tell me that they have to c/p the lines from the code of anticheat to show where the "cheat" was. There are also ways. See the problem also from another perspective, not only defending the anticheat programers and company. But of course they can do whatever they want, their business, their money, their decisions. Still, my opinion is that, they are going to be one "blacklisted" leagues by pro teams.
2013-03-21 17:10
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#221
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Norway Polly717
No they didn't.. they just said flat out, without any evidence being provided, that he used a cheat called Immunity. Where is the proof in that? Them saying he used it is proof enough? We need to see the files, the timestamps of when he used them, and where he got it.. THAT's proof. If you go to court and said: I have DNA evidence of that guy killing someone! But I can't show it to you, or where I got it, because then the next killer can just avoid making the same mistake. Do you think the man would have been sentenced?
2013-03-21 16:44
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#237
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France breezy0
from a player's perspective you are right but you also need to understand that it's THEIR tournament and with playing in this league you also accept THEIR contractual terms and even if it sounds stupid it's THEIR RIGHT to handle certain cases like this one the way they think it's the best and you simply have to accept this as a player.
2013-03-21 16:50
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You clearly don't understand the word 'evidence'. All they have done is said their software has caught these people using cheats, there has been no log files, no screenshots, absolutely nothing to substantiate the claims they are making.
2013-03-21 16:49
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#248
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France breezy0
should they explain you the way their AC works and how it was possible for them to detect this shit? i don't think you understand the importance of this case.
2013-03-21 17:02
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1 reply
You clearly are not understanding anything anyone is saying. No one wants to know how their software works (which, if it does, it's the most advanced anti cheat we have). All we want is a log file, how exactly the cheat is flagged on their system. That's not giving us an understanding of how their AC works, but how it reports information.
2013-03-21 17:11
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#432
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
I can also say that my anticheat caught f0rest and Neo cheating, will you believe me?
2013-03-22 21:38
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#435
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France breezy0
to say something like this you need to have an own league & AC with prizemoney and some more or less known teams attending. beside that you can't compare the players, f0rest and neo are probably the most successful players ever whereas day is crumbling in some random teams for years already. this comparison is flawed.^_^
2013-03-22 21:49
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#438
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
Why is it flawed, I can name any player and the situation remains the same.
2013-03-24 04:13
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#446
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France breezy0
facepalm
2013-03-24 16:24
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How can you even use a murdering analogy with this is the better question. Especially one that doesnt fit. There isnt evidence beyond any doubt that he actually did cheat. The police wouldnt arrest you if they had doubts. So yeah, that makes no sense. People always try to make analogies with rediculous situations to compare. This has nothing to do with murder. Nor does it fit with what is happening here at all. Plus, tons of people are being booted in this league. Its more likely its not a cheat at all with the amount of people being dropped. Hes also a top tier pro, so you the "law abiding citizen" has no reputation. He wouldnt be a rrgular citizen in your anaology but a high standing member of society. High standing members of society recieve breaks on the law all the time.
2013-03-21 18:39
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anti cheat detected = detected. no matter how many LANs one attended. if a programme can clearly identify the usage of illegal software (in this case only 1 specific software that goes by the name of 'organnercrap'!) there is a definite proof.
2013-03-21 16:09
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Yeah but where is the proof? Admins written comment? That's not enough to make me believe a player who has been in the toplevel for almost 10 years would cheat. They really need to release proper proof, screens, logs, data or w/e.
2013-03-21 16:13
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#166
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Germany VxO4
Agree
2013-03-21 16:14
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#235
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Germany pa$co
How should such evidence look like? Maybe a logfile like that? (Sun Sep 13 23:02:05 2013): Beginning 4PL-Insight Registration (Sun Sep 13 23:02:05 2013): Analyzed algorithm 22.0.0.3x_sp2_rtm.032 (Sun Sep 13 23:02:05 2013): checking memory routine 19822rfx0a1 (Sun Sep 13 23:02:05 2013): Segment:Offset 0x000f (Sun Sep 13 23:02:05 2013): cheat called Immunity found but I think you rather want some screenshots and nicely edited youtube videos But what if his the cheat bypasses the screenshot function? Or the anti-cheat doesn't have one. A wallhack can not just be used for frags but also for announcements/calls How will you prove something like that without revealing exactly what the anti-cheat program does?
2013-03-21 16:59
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#167
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Norway Pudding
But as of now there's no real proofs, we just have the admins words saying their anticheat program detected something. How is that definite?
2013-03-21 16:14
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#352
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Netherlands zynaps
Ever heard of a false positive? Ever heard of anti-virus software detecting legit software? Well it happens all the time.
2013-03-21 19:15
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#433
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
The definite proof so far is a claim by the 4PL admins that their anti-cheat tool caught something. I can claim that you cheated in your last game.
2013-03-22 21:40
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#156
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Sweden snugi
cool story bro
2013-03-21 16:09
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#163
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Germany pa$co
anti-cheat 1 - 0 Temp.no I'm a huge fan of this anti-cheating stuff
2013-03-21 16:13
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#434
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Bulgaria fRaGm3n7
no surprise that you're german
2013-03-22 21:41
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#174
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Norway M0LTEN
This is fucking bullshit... DaY and his team would never cheat and I have watched his demo and you can't find _ONE_ thing who is sucpious about it. 1. The admin who has given the ban is a bit retarded or he don't know the game at all. Summary: DaY and his team is clean, the League and admins have ruined for themselves and their reputation.
2013-03-21 16:18
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#181
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France breezy0
it's not about the demo you stupid jerk, when will you understand that?
2013-03-21 16:22
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#210
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Norway M0LTEN
Oh my god you have to be a dumb one! :-) It is 98% about the demo and 2% of the cfg that they have used. If you watch the demo DaY have posted several times you'll see that there is no cheat at all so the only thing they could have been banned for is the jumping+throwing smoke-bind they had in their config, something this League haven't got any rules for. The 4PL Insight have clearly scanned the cfg that they were using and found something that it didn't know what is and banned them because of that. They have no proof for that there have been used cheats in those matches. (For making evidences they have to relate to the _DEMOS_ where cheats have been used).There are no proof kthnxbye
2013-03-21 16:37
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#218
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France breezy0
wow you are still clueless, respect.
2013-03-21 16:42
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#225
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Norway M0LTEN
They can't ban them without any proof. I know that they have been detected by Anti-cheat software a not a timetable and that they can't provide us with the source codes of insight, but they SHOULD get some proofs. It feels like they are far too quick to call their software "complex", "flagship anti-cheat" and so on. If they want their software to be taken seriously they need to give convincing arguments as to why this can't be a false positive (an example is VAC which only bans according to a blacklist of known cheats and their memory signatures). If their data requires any sort of analysis, heuristic, or opinion, then it is basically useless for other leagues as they don't know how this decision is made. They are of course free to ban whoever they please, but I'd be pretty sad if it convinces anyone else based on what they've given us so far (i.e. nothing).
2013-03-21 16:46
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#241
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RpK | 
Germany lloyd6077
if u'd read all those statements, you#d see that 4pl banned him for his INSIGHTLOG AND NOTHING ELSE NO DEMO :) AND NO GUI OR CFG. Screw you I hope your household is filled with nothing but peace.
2013-03-21 16:53
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#243
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Norway M0LTEN
"I know that they have been detected by Anti-cheat software a not a timetable and that they can't provide us with the source codes of insight, but they SHOULD get some proofs." What I already said..It's bullshit to ban something for that.
2013-03-21 16:54
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#360
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Germany dicheridoo
yeah, and esl wire bans for something else ... brains on plz
2013-03-21 19:35
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#365
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Norway M0LTEN
Haven't said anything about that
2013-03-21 19:57
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#279
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
GuardiaN | 
Serbia NESi [w]
dumb german hater STFU!
2013-03-21 17:23
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#281
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France breezy0
<3
2013-03-21 17:24
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#283
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
GuardiaN | 
Serbia NESi [w]
love u too
2013-03-21 17:25
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#182
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Sweden ackkee
MobY they just had a good DaY hehe.
2013-03-21 16:23
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#188
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World pmn247
Germany and its organizations.. sounds familiar?
2013-03-21 16:25
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#189
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Poland whOoOzAAA
Proof would be great, demos aint shit, sorry. And yes you have every benefit to cheat online from a pros perspective. 4PL should provide proof, but just because they didn't, doesn't mean hes clean.
2013-03-21 16:25
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4 replies
Life doesn't work like that, before you call someone out on something you better have good proof that you can show people to confirm what you are saying.
2013-03-21 16:30
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#197
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Poland whOoOzAAA
I agree, all im saying is, pros have every benefit to cheat online.. $$$$$, its an advantage.. 4PL needs proof yes, but because they didnt show any, doesnt mean hes 100% clean online
2013-03-21 16:31
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You've just repeated everything you just said, I don't care whether the cheat accusation is true or not, releasing statements saying a player has cheated who has a long standing history without any evidence to back it up is wrong.
2013-03-21 16:51
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#422
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REAL | 
Norway duffz00r
couldn't said it better myself! word!
2013-03-22 20:13
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#198
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World donkey1337
Are you guys so retarted? He has been detected by a Anti-Cheat Software not a fucking timetable. Should they provide you with the source code of insight, that you stupid apes understand that he cheated?
2013-03-21 16:31
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#207
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World 4PL|MF
Thank you finally one has realized how it works and why we cant give you detailed information's :)
2013-03-21 16:34
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donkey1337: Newly created account and this is the first post he makes? Good job 4PL|MF on that fake account... On a nother note though, what is the reason you can't show us any data or logs about the accused? Surely if you guys can program such a "good anti-cheat" you should be able to do so it can create some sort of way to release SAFE data that can be shown to the public when someone is being accused? I mean really, nobody is going to think DaY - A guy who has been in CS on toplevel for 10 years now suddenly uses cheat, it's just no. Your program has fked up.
2013-03-21 16:47
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#240
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World donkey1337
I created a new profile, because i cant remember my password and reseting didnt worked out. Try it if you dont believe me.
2013-03-21 16:52
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1 reply
#277
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Germany VxO4
Answer the second question please.
2013-03-21 17:22
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#311
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Denmark Schultz607
Here is the safe data Cheat found: Immunity
2013-03-21 17:56
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Nobody wants information about how your software works, a simple log of where the cheat was found would do.
2013-03-21 16:52
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#208
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World Bronzz
hes gui has been detected** ESL says that the GUI is clean. They will prove themselfs in CPH games. so please gtfo saucers and newschoolers.
2013-03-21 16:34
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#216
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World donkey1337
Insight only detected users of organner this bust. Please stop lying.
2013-03-21 16:41
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#263
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Germany VxO4
While Ogranner claims their Immunity hack is save to use in 4pl insight .....
2013-03-21 17:12
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2 replies
#282
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World donkey1337
2013-03-21 17:25
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#313
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Germany VxO4
Okay that suprises me.
2013-03-21 17:59
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#353
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Netherlands zynaps
What they should do is work with DaY to make sure this isn't some shitty bug in their software. That's what they should do...
2013-03-21 19:17
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#202
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Denmark carr~
OWNed , cheaters mUst dIE~~
2013-03-21 16:33
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#378
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Europe wooly1337
no please stahp the violence B===D~~~~
2013-03-21 21:17
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#203
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Denmark gravityy
It feels like they are far too quick to call their software "complex", "flagship anti-cheat" and so on. If they want their software to be taken seriously they need to give convincing arguments as to why this can't be a false positive (an example is VAC which only bans according to a blacklist of known cheats and their memory signatures). If their data requires any sort of analysis, heuristic, or opinion, then it is basically useless for other leagues as they don't know how this decision is made. They are of course free to ban whoever they please, but I'd be pretty sad if it convinces anyone else based on what they've given us so far (i.e. nothing). Also: I'm pretty sure the people coding cheats are competent enough to reverse this anti-cheat client, so if it really is as good as they say it is then it will be circumvented in short order. Security through obscurity will only last so long against motivated people.
2013-03-21 16:33
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#215
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France marrrk
true. I mean is said to have cost 500,000$ so I guess it's pretty complex too; doesn't make it flawless.
2013-03-21 16:41
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#269
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Denmark Wich
thats the esl wire AC
2013-03-21 17:19
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#293
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France marrrk
that I meant to write "I mean, ESL wire is said to...", dunno how it got deleted
2013-03-21 17:35
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#212
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World GeOffs
Organner website: "System Requirements: Windows XP (32 bit) Windows Vista (32 bit) Windows 7 (32 bit)" I guess if you're running only 64bit Windows then that could be a good argument for you not cheating?
2013-03-21 16:37
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#247
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Italy pauLo~
wmb explained its possible to use it even by having 64bit
2013-03-21 16:59
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#450
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
truth | 
Norway tomzeyRrRRrR
To bad it's wrong.
2013-04-06 16:39
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#451
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Italy pauLo~
too bad i dont give a fuck
2013-04-06 16:44
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2 replies
#452
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
truth | 
Norway tomzeyRrRRrR
Get your facts straight before you speak, thanks :-)
2013-04-06 17:30
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#453
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Italy pauLo~
i dont give a shit about I.T. , wmb posted some serious shit and people approved so dont tell me to get facts straight search his posts and attack him on his mistakes. gtfo
2013-04-06 17:41
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#219
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RpK | 
Germany lloyd6077
m8 got banned and he used win vista 64bit, they say insight searched for immunity ? something went wrong i'd say
2013-03-21 16:42
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#222
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World azertydog
or he has a secret dualboot you don't know off :)
2013-03-21 16:45
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#224
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World donkey1337
organner has a beta for x64, maybe he has signup for that?
2013-03-21 16:45
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#230
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
RpK | 
Germany lloyd6077
i dunno, i knwo him in real life, same school same class, know him since 13 years :D if he's cheating i'd know it.
2013-03-21 16:47
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#232
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Italy Centeh
Yeah because friends would never cheat... please...
2013-03-21 16:48
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#236
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RpK | 
Germany lloyd6077
Instead of swearing, Koreans say nice things about each others family's.
2013-03-21 16:49
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#260
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Germany Icy423
player link or gtfo
2013-03-21 17:10
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#226
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Norway billson
What a smart advertisement move by 4PL! Hats off.
2013-03-21 16:46
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#229
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Slovakia Strenki
nice free public comercial 4PL :D
2013-03-21 16:47
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#242
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United Kingdom berners
Basically kids, don't cheat.
2013-03-21 16:54
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#245
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Belgium oozniot
Well, this is pretty confused in my mind. In a way, nobody will never know who gets the truth. 4PL are claiming they found the way to stop organner, but in another hand, it's kinda weird that they detected 5 users using the same cheat, and apparently the best. And they did not find any cheaters during the qualifers using a shitty cheat or a less performant. As if they are saying their AC is good, you know, it can be good or bad, maybe they've made a nice discovery, but 4PL do not seem to be such a professional organization as ESL and ESEA are, then maybe there is a fail behind it. Even though it feels strange to me, DaY seems to be a nice guy, I do not know him very well as i don't come from 1.6, but he is pretty much respected from the community and pro players. Even though I am not a programmer, I do not understand there is still a way to cheat after more than 10 years of CS. Isn't it something to remove from the game to make cheats not able to affect the game? In this game, we never can't be sure that someone is clean, we just have to trust with the honesty and the reputation. Well, all this shit to say this drama is going nowhere. Everybody has a different opinion which is based on trust. (4pl/temp.no)
2013-03-21 16:56
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#246
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Germany Johnny RR
well now when 4PL have published name of cheating program i can say from ESL part that Jerry "xelos" Råberg used same program and ESL cant give any more information either for same reasons that cheat tool makers wouldnt learn to bypass it
2013-03-21 16:57
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#254
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Germany VxO4
LOL :D Are you serious?
2013-03-21 17:07
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Xelos got a ban through a timetable/demo, not by Wire. Stupid moron. 1/10 for trying.
2013-03-21 17:07
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#270
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Denmark Wolfztar
Stop pretending to be with the ESL, gets boring.
2013-03-21 17:19
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#275
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
France breezy0
no comment
2013-03-21 17:22
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#285
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Denmark satanioN
Please ban this guy.
2013-03-21 17:28
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#290
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Germany pa$co
+1
2013-03-21 17:32
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#306
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
France breezy0
+1
2013-03-21 17:51
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#250
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Bangladesh wumbo
Here, everyone is saying DaY was beast in-game back in days. He is one of the best Norwegian players ever behind elemeNt, KF3, REAL, XeqtR, prb... Every person who played Counter-Strike more than 5 years, has to agree with that. Also he attended a lot of big international tournaments like WCG, CPL, ESWC, WEG & others. But this doesn't prove that he didn't cheated. He can be ultra old school, amazing player but why he can't cheat? If he is playing this game for fun, he can cheat also for fun... This doesn't makes sense. I'm pretty sure that he didn't cheated. The only reason because I think he didn't cheated is the fact: Why some top-class player with fantastic reputation would cheat?
2013-03-21 17:04
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#257
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Germany VxO4
You know what i would have done with such players. I would have let them cheat for a certain while. If the player then gets accused in other leagues or with a decent bust movie by demo then i would publish my evidence as well and ban him. Every system/program can be once wrong even if it has a special pattern behind that to detect certain things. Good examples could be anti virus scanners. They are not 100% accurate as well I mean if my anti cheat detects the certain pattern in another match its quite obvious.
2013-03-21 17:19
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#341
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Cyprus ramurdi
My thought also.
2013-03-21 18:40
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#251
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Norway Leffa
There is an old saying; "innocent until proven guilty". So far i have seen nothing that even remotely gives me the impression that my teammates are cheating, and i expect nobody is dumb enough to participate in 4pl in the future. I'm not calling them out as German retards, but I'm struggling not to get fired out by such behaviour. It's pretty damn arrogant to accuse people of cheating without feeling the need to at least give a hint of evidence. The fact that they didn't even feel the need to look at the demos (wich they didn't have) is beyond me. It's just puzzling how a random German semi-professional group of people have figured out how to 100% detect cheats, while the rest of the world can't. they claim they have spent loads of money on this shit, but i can also play that game; "Guys i just spent 100000 billion dollars on an amazing new anticheat called spotify. just run it and it plays music for you and everything. btw it found cheat on your computer and i dont need to explain anything else then that it busted 2313 people and that the cheat is called roflcompotercheat160HSboom.exe" <- that is how retarded this sounds
2013-03-21 17:04
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#268
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United Kingdom pauLo-
What's the point of looking at the demos? Organner can be tweaked so subtly that it's borderline impossible to spot a cheat on a demo anyway.
2013-03-21 17:19
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#271
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Germany VxO4
Yeah but as we know Immunity is a cheat focused on aimbot. So the demos should give a hint to that.
2013-03-21 17:20
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#280
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United Kingdom pauLo-
youtube.com/watch?v=unhdt-hWYOw Dude, that shit is hard to notice. Looks very much like a good player to me.
2013-03-21 17:24
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#295
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Netherlands woOtbot
doesnt look like it helps..
2013-03-21 17:43
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#302
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Denmark ebola  
Thats the whole point. The player can feel it in his mouse and recoil, the demos cant or spectators behind him can't either.
2013-03-21 17:46
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#394
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden albvel
Good player? or shit enemy that allows you to take "enough time" to aim at them(put the crosshair near enough the body/head). Re-think it again paulo, noob head.
2013-03-22 10:47
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What year are you living in? 2002? Aimbots designed for pros/experienced players work within small margins - they expect the player to have decent mouse control and to be able to put their crosshair on player models etc and make minuscule adjustments from there. Like the previous guy said, it's near-on impossible to manually detect a decent cheat from spectating demos nowadays. DaY is innocent in my eyes, oldskool legend with nothing to prove thus no motivation to cheat. This won't change til I'm hit with some evidence, just felt the need to drop some knowledge on you :)
2013-03-21 17:45
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#307
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Germany VxO4
And i tell you you can even notice these small margins in some scene. Its overall still an aimbot. I remember server side aimbots where you didnt see the aimbot at all. And later people implied that in clients. But you will notice it if the player is not 100% on the enemys head/body and and still makes a headshot. At some point it will smell fishy :D Point was the demos backup what insight found on or otherwise.
2013-03-21 18:01
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#278
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World donkey1337
What proof do you want, if the code of detection gets published, 4PL could directly send the source code to organner. Logs are easy to fake, so if they would publish those, you guys would still not believe it.
2013-03-21 17:22
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#291
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Norway Leffa
what do you expect from us? Not to be rude, but if a shitty organisation posted on the website that you cheated, and the thing went viral on hltv.org, would you just sit back and let them do it? Anyone with a common sens would fight for justice
2013-03-21 17:32
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#347
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Denmark satanioN
So you won't attend anything related to ESL, since they do the exact same thing?
2013-03-21 19:02
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#370
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Norway Leffa
I have no problem with the ESL. They are bigger, more respected and have a way better anticheat on their hands. I don't agree with banning that sweede without proving it, and hopefully these cases will force them to make a better set of routine for what you can call a bust and not. It's fair and square that you kick people out of your own league, but you cant make a huge statement about how they are cheating their ass off
2013-03-21 20:20
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#262
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Finland kissekattet
Someone with money just pay for immunity and try out if u get banned on 4pl.........
2013-03-21 17:11
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#308
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Germany pa$co
good idea, we need to pool money and send FODDER for a mission.
2013-03-21 17:55
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#310
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Germany VxO4
:D
2013-03-21 17:56
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#316
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France breezy0
rofl
2013-03-21 18:08
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#272
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Sweden daverrr
So DaY started cheating when just casually competing with some buds after having a long and successful career without any kind of similar drama? Yeah, no, that doesn't make a lick of sense.
2013-03-21 17:21
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#292
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Denmark ebola  
So probably what happened was DaY were caught using triggerbot, which is why it caught up on the file linked to in another post as "-attack[w/o the number 107" normally it would be "-attack[107]" or something like that. This indicates that the mouse wasn't the one firing a shot, which is how they caught him for using a 3rd party program (probably) triggerbot. The cheat itself isn't detected, the triggerbot is. So hadn't he had used that, he wouldnt have been caught. ESL/ESEA also has this "tool" and may also be the reason behind xelos' ban. Not sure.
2013-03-21 17:44
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#309
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Germany VxO4
That is pretty vague. Such good coded triggers wouldnt work through your config in the cs:go folder they could have a hidden config somewhere in your HDD. Dont you think so? Even my old public hacks from cs 1.6 worked with a serperate config located where ever i wanted in my disk space
2013-03-21 18:00
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#318
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Denmark ebola  
It was the demolog, not his config. I doubt it would post anything like that in a config lol
2013-03-21 18:11
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#319
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Germany VxO4
Well if its in the demolog then the game cs:go reconizes that command which means he actually shoot. No?
2013-03-21 18:13
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#328
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Denmark ebola  
No, because normally there would be a number attached to the +attack command and the -attack one. In his demolog there are 9 times where there isn't any number attached to the -attack (left click button on your mouse). 60719 dem_consolecmd [+attack 107] 60792 dem_consolecmd [-attack ] 60868 dem_consolecmd [-attack 107] 60994 dem_consolecmd [+attack 107] 61052 dem_consolecmd [-attack ] 61115 dem_consolecmd [-attack 107] However the person who noticed this also says he has a script which is why this strange thing happens. ***JUMPTHROW*** alias "+jumpthrow" "+jump; +attack" alias "-jumpthrow" "-jump; -attack" bind "h" "+jumpthrow" ^ that probably is the reason behind it.
2013-03-21 18:26
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#371
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Germany synnnn
So? is that a serious proof for a cheat-ban?LOL
2013-03-21 20:20
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#384
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Denmark ebola  
Apparently it is for 4PL (if this was they way they spotted it). It would make sense if he DIDN'T have the jumpthrow script, but since he has it is that script that is causing it, otherwise it would probably be triggerbot.
2013-03-21 23:33
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#436
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Germany dicheridoo
but if it were just these missing +attack commands, 4pl wouldn't state, that they caught him hacking with immunity
2013-03-23 08:07
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#437
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Denmark ebola  
Why not? They know Immunity has triggerbot and that it bypasses their league which is known for having an advanced anticheat. The demolog indicated that he probably used triggerbot; but because they were too "lazy" to look deeper into it, they didnt notice that the script would actually be causing this. Im not saying that I am right, just a guess.
2013-03-23 09:19
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#356
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Netherlands zynaps
I know a player that shoots with the space bar and jumps with mouse button 1.
2013-03-21 19:26
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#305
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Norway 5prite_
This is bullshit.
2013-03-21 17:49
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#314
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Vietnam grandi__
I have heard about DaY before, never came across with 4PL. Why would anyone believe their words?
2013-03-21 18:00
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#320
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Germany VxO4
Germans do :D
2013-03-21 18:13
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#324
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Vietnam grandi__
germans-aliens.jpg ESL with biased admins, ESL sending messages in english (written in german), fixed cups and what else? Some people accuse a player of cheating to get some attention :DDD
2013-03-21 18:16
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#326
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Germany VxO4
Dont get me wrong i neither support ESL nor 4PL i just tell you that germans prefer such fucked up leagues instead of ESEA, playnation or leagues like that. Btw could you link me that germans-aliens.jpg? You made me curious :D
2013-03-21 18:19
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#334
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Vietnam grandi__
And yeah, germans tend to that bad in english grammar and games, that they need their own fixed leagues in german. For the pic, I made you one : cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/364..
2013-03-21 18:27
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#335
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Germany VxO4
And i thought you come up with something special :/
2013-03-21 18:29
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#336
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Vietnam grandi__
Nope, never do.
2013-03-21 18:31
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#321
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Norway ch1ckeNN
Pure bullshit :- ) Norwegians knows that this is like accusing northug of cheatin' ;) Which again is pure bullshit :- D
2013-03-21 18:14
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#323
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Germany VxO4
Inbefore the german biathlon ogranisaiton for so called "clean sport" will make some doping tests whith him :D Just a joke bro. Dont take it serious
2013-03-21 18:17
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1 reply
#342
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Norway ch1ckeNN
i like jokes :- D
2013-03-21 18:42
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#322
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Poland whOoOzAAA
Seriously the "look at the demo" excuse doesn't work any more. You can use walls and be deceptive enough at this level among other ways to cheat. 4PL statement is enough without giving proof. Sadly this is his word against theirs.
2013-03-21 18:15
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#329
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United Kingdom Rickeh^
And his word is held in higher regard
2013-03-21 18:21
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#331
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Slovenia vegetko
i will invite you to play a war against me. it will be a 1on1 tournament with only 2 players (me and you), ill be using anti cheating software which i developed myself. ill accuse you of cheating. that will be enough...seriously, use your head
2013-03-21 18:23
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#343
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Norway ch1ckeNN
Day's words > 4PL words.
2013-03-21 18:42
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#325
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United Kingdom shazehhh
now trending #dayisclean
2013-03-21 18:19
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#330
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Slovenia vegetko
4pl admins are not that good cuz: they accuse 1.6 player who is well known to community (except if you are knew to cs) and then they think people will believe them when they accuse such a famous player and give no proof? seriously, start thinking guys
2013-03-21 18:21
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#340
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Germany THE_FUHRER
I'm not here to accuse anyone of cheating or defend anyone. But I would like to say one thing: It's a shame we still have to talk about cheaters. I mean we're doing this shit since 13 years and nothing has changed except the fact that leagues have to invest more and more money in programmers to develop anti-cheat tools, which will never be efficient enough. It should be up to the game-developer to keep the game cheat-free. He's the only one who could really deliver a timeless solution (you would need to work with the source code; changing the hardcode). But Valve never gave a flying fuck up this problem. VAC was always a fucking joke in the way of "hey look at us. we're pretending to do something". Imagine Valve would have taken this problem serious from the very beginning. All the money leagues and tournament hosts had to invest in the development of AC tools could have been used for other stuff - like higher and more prize money. Shame on Valve!
2013-03-21 18:41
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+100000000000000000000000000000000000
2013-03-22 02:00
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#439
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Germany VxO4
Indeed
2013-03-24 04:21
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#344
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Canada EL_BURRITO
Haha DaY is mad as fuck
2013-03-21 18:47
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#361
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Sweden Snooc
haha yup
2013-03-21 19:36
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#351
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Denmark alvaro
Ofcourse Day is mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Watch The demo!!!!!!!!!! Its a fucking joke!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4pl is german, that says all........ Omfg omfg!!! 4pl says that they cant give Any evidence???????? Omfg retards for life!!!! If 4pl knew how Many years DaY have played as a Pro player!!! I cant even count how many cpl, eswc, Dreamhack, wcg, weg and so fucking on. 4pl is germans with small dicks
2013-03-21 19:15
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#357
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United States FlyEaglesFly
Back to the drawing board.... (Fucking Insight-er)
2013-03-21 19:26
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#358
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Sweden twice666
So tired of the CS:GO Community -.-
2013-03-21 19:29
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#362
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Sweden Snooc
*virtual hug* It will be okay man
2013-03-21 19:37
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2013-03-21 20:00
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#364
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Croatia Vuk Oreb
If they don't give the community any evidence, it just comes down to DaY's word against 4P's. Guess who wins.
2013-03-21 19:59
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#369
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Finland ZoqFotPik
well since they won't come out with any proofs it's basically word against word. and i trust DaY's word more than some 4PL i've never heard of.
2013-03-21 20:08
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#372
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Germany synnnn
Really? What a ridicolous statement. Another non-proof BAN.
2013-03-21 20:22
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#373
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Guatemala spike148
So from what I've read.. 1. the demos are useless, because their ac disabled the cheat(meaning he didn't actually cheat ingame but attempted to according to them, and if he did try to cheat why he's pointing to them as innocence) 2. the script thing wasn't the reason because he's the only one out of the 5/6 people banned who was using it.. only thing they had in common was 32bit windows Which means without them giving any proof that it was attempted to be loaded, not a statement saying "not banned because of what you're saying, our anti cheat is just advanced k bye." Then it comes down to who you believe more, and since day has been clean for so many years and never once accused I would pick him, as I'm sure the majority would while this accusation has nothing but a statement claiming he cheated backing it.
2013-03-21 21:03
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#379
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Europe wooly1337
not gonna believe any one hacks till its either blatant or proven. SOrry .. nice try but F*ck you very much.
2013-03-21 21:19
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This is bullshit! There is no way that day or moby was using any kind of cheat Until any proof is revealed. These organizations with kids in charge can't wreck someones name by saying they are cheating without giving out any proof. xD noobs
2013-03-21 22:56
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#421
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Norway duffz00r
True for sure!
2013-03-22 20:10
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#385
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World nezria
Tons of pro's using Immunity on LAN, if he was gj 4pl and goodshit to there anticheat, and someone needs to go stomp out the coder of organner, i mean how has no one stepped up ? ;)
2013-03-22 00:33
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#386
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Czech Republic stxCZE
They wanted to advertise their AC which they claim to be better than ESL/ESEA one and they choose really bad targets. It's like telling Avast is better than Eset...
2013-03-22 00:53
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#388
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World pmn247
hahah ridiculous
2013-03-22 03:10
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That's quite interesting, I wonder whether 4pl are attempting to loan out their AC or sell rights to its use in the near future? Would be great advertising if they say they caught a well regarded player with one of the only cheats in the game that hasn't been caught in any of the other major leagues.
2013-03-22 03:15
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#392
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Norway DaY-
Just look at my demos from the 4PL qual: speedyshare.com/Ud5mV/csgo123.rar. If you're not 100% retarded you'll see there is absolutely no cheat there.
2013-03-22 08:37
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#406
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Russia d3f /A/
so fuckin retarded, why the hell does they need to publish the proof to public? imagine the situation when the police say "here are his finger prints on the knife, we arest him" and u say "but look, he was good guy for 10 years, he cant rape anyone"
2013-03-22 17:03
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#413
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Norway kakkopp
lol dosent make sense
2013-03-22 18:23
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#414
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Russia d3f /A/
why so? seems the same situation
2013-03-22 18:26
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#415
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Norway duffz00r
Cus it's in a software, not real life crime lol
2013-03-22 18:31
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#417
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Russia d3f /A/
every1 in that topic saying that 4pl has to five evidence, hence irl u cant blame person without proof, that u r innocent until proven and so son, so i made similar compare
2013-03-22 18:35
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#441
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Germany synnnn
+1, if you commit a murder or w/e, you must show any proof or he will be inocent.It comes the same here but it's true that which proof do people want here? They can say "he used organner" and it could be fake anyways. It will be always 4PL POV vs DaY POV.
2013-03-24 06:17
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#442
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RE1EASE | 
Russia d3f /A/
but they found his "fingerprints" with the anticheat
2013-03-24 07:18
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#445
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Germany synnnn
In DaY case, yes.
2013-03-24 15:18
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#443
Faceit level 5 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Belgium vladb57
They need to publish the proof because, just like in the analogy you proposed THE POLICE SHOW YOU THE FINGERPRINTS THAT MATCH. If you want a proper analogy to this case it would be like the police coming into your house picking you up in front of your neighbors, taking you to prison and being sentenced to 10 years in jail for rape, and then, when people would ask 'Why the hell is he in jail without any trial or evidence?' the police would say 'We know he raped someone, but we can't show you the proof because other rapists would use that to get away with it'.
2013-03-24 07:25
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#444
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Russia d3f /A/
show me the example when in news there are any evidence of crime, usually they just put a statement that the bad guy is arrested
2013-03-24 08:04
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#419
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Greenland peter-
no comments...
2013-03-22 19:32
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#420
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Greenland peter-
DaY 100% reason
2013-03-22 19:37
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#449
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World RizRiz
Register at forum.organner.pl and become Immune with Immunity. One year undetected in every single Anticheat out there. The most legit aimbot out there, no doubt. organner.pl/p/immunitycsgo It's that simple.
2013-04-05 23:44
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#455
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Portugal se7eNtz
shut up
2013-05-01 21:48
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#454
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Agent420
These are the people who make this game shit.
2013-05-01 21:34
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#459
Faceit premium user Faceit level 9 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United Kingdom dazoOO
It's like any other game out there who people cheat to get a better advantage, it's sad really.
2013-05-30 17:55
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