NiP's losses in numbers

2-7-2013 20:23

After Ninjas in Pyjamas' recent struggles at DreamHack Summer and RaidCall EMS One Summer finals, we've delved deep into our statistics database to look for answers.

The Ninjas are obviously being held to some unrealistic standards. It's not realistic to expect them to continue winning every tournament, especially without losing a single map, but more often than not they seem to do it anyways.

It makes sense that other teams slowly start catching up to NiP, who switched to CS:GO early on in comparison to many others. Other teams are probably also adapting to NiP's playing style, and figuring out ways to counter it.

We have broken down NiP's map win rates by map and by different eras. For offline play we've divided all of their statistics into two; one half prior to their first loss when they held the 87-0 record, and the other half since then.

Are NiP in a slump or losing their edge?

For online play it wouldn't have made sense to cut it off from the first loss as SY_b upset them so early into their run. Instead we've gone with the vacation they took as a team after winning ESEA Invite Season 13 global finals in Dallas.

We've also separated their statistics for June, which is by far their weakest month so far since the team was founded in August last year. NiP's June would still rock any month for any other team so far, but you have to judge them by the high standards they've set themselves.

Finally, it's important to note that we do not have statistics for the regular seasons of ESEA (or small online events such as THOR Open Qualifiers), but they seem to reflect the averages fairly well. You can check ESEA stats out here.

NiP online

We'll start with a list of NiP's online matches that they didn't win prior to May 15th. Match statistics are linked in the score, although we do not have statistics from the THOR Open Qualifier matches:

Score	Opponent	Map	Event	Date
12-16	Na`Vi	de_dust2_se	SLTV StarSeries V	Mar 20
12-16	ESC	de_train_se	RC EMS One Spring Cup #4	Mar 13
12-16	n!faculty	de_mirage_go	RC EMS One Spring Cup #1	Feb 14
11-16	WRTT	de_mirage_go	THOR Open Qualifier	Nov 17
15-15	ASES	de_dust2_se	ESL Major Series	Nov 8
14-16	SY_b	de_dust2_se	THOR Open Qualifier	Oct 13

As you can tell, half of their losses came on de_dust2_se, two on de_mirage_go and one on de_train_se. NiP won the first half in three of the losses (10-5 as CT vs Na`Vi, 9-6 as T vs n!faculty and 13-2 as CT vs ASES). We do not have data for the SY_b match.

In four of those six games (that we have statistics for) NiP's players performed fairly accurately according to their long term hierarchy, although Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund and Adam "friberg" Friberg are probably slightly below their averages.

Ever since returning from their vacation, which took place following the busy month of April that culminated in a win at ESEA Invite Season 13 global finals, they've had a much tougher time staying ahead of the Joneses. Let's take a look at their online losses on and after May 15th:

Score	Opponent	Map	Event	Date
23-25	LDLC.com	de_train_se	fnatic FragOut League	Jun 12
9-16	LDLC.com	de_inferno_se	fnatic FragOut League	Jun 12
13-16	Team X	de_mirage_go	RC EMS One Summer Group	Jun 12
8-16	fnatic	de_cache	RC EMS One Summer Group	Jun 12
3-16	WW	de_dust2_se	RC EMS One Summer Cup #2	May 21
8-16	Cph Wolves	de_nuke_se	RC EMS One Summer Cup #1	May 15

Since May 15th, NiP has lost another six matches: one on each of the six maps in play. They only won the first half once (9-6 versus Team X as CT on de_mirage_go) in those matches.

Now, here are NiP's individual statistics from those six losses:

The statistics confirm the eye test and speculation that Richard "Xizt" Landström hasn't been playing up to his usual level recently, as Friberg has surpassed him in both KPR and rating. That very likely also factors into why NiP hasn't been as dominant.

In these losses everyone played roughly to their normal level within the team. While Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg's rating seems significantly lower than Alesund's, it's only because he has died more; he has actually contributed more in the fragging department.

Let's take a look at NiP's online play statistics broken down by each map. In total they've played 71 matches (in our statistics database and ESEA - some small qualifiers such as THOR Open may be missing) prior to May 15th, and 34 since.

* de_dust2_se match versus ASES ended in a draw

Prior to May 15th NiP had won 91,5% of their online matches, but they've "only" managed to win 82,4% since then. That's a 9,1% difference, which is fairly sizable considering how consistent they've otherwise been.

More importantly, their first six losses came in a window from August until May, which adds up to roughly nine months or so, while another six have taken place in just one and a half months.

NiP on LAN

We have focused on the time after NiP's first loss on LAN in our analysis, as there is no point in analyzing a perfect record. As you can see in the table below, NiP was first dethroned by Virtus.pro on April 5th.

NiP has actually lost more maps on LAN than online since then, as just six of their eleven online losses have taken place during the time period, while they've lost a total of nine maps on LAN.

Here's a quick recap of all the maps they've lost on LAN:

Score	Opponent	Map	Event	Date
14-16	vs. Virtus.pro	de_nuke_se	RC EMS One Summer	Jun 30
11-16	vs. Virtus.pro	de_dust2_se	RC EMS One Summer	Jun 30
14-16	vs. Cph Wolves	de_inferno_se	DreamHack Summer	Jun 17
11-16	vs. Epsilon	de_inferno_se	Swedish Championship	Jun 16
2-16	vs. WW	de_nuke_se	DreamHack Summer	Jun 15
14-16	vs. Virtus.pro	de_dust2_se	SLTV StarSeries V	Apr 7
15-19	vs. Virtus.pro	de_inferno_se	SLTV StarSeries V	Apr 7
10-16	vs. Virtus.pro	de_nuke_se	SLTV StarSeries V	Apr 5
14-16	vs. Virtus.pro	de_mirage_go	SLTV StarSeries V	Apr 5

The list shows us that one third of their losses have come on de_inferno_se with another third happening on de_nuke_se. They've lost on de_mirage_go once, while the final two losses took place on de_dust2_se.

they won the first half in four of the losses (both de_dust2_se games versus Virtus.pro, Copenhagen Wolves loss at DH and the de_nuke_se loss versus Virtus at SLTV finals), with scores ranging from 10-5 to 8-7.

This tells us a couple of things: NiP has won 100% of the games where they've led after winning the terrorist side on de_inferno_se, de_nuke_se or de_mirage_go. They have also never lost de_train_se on LAN; their only remaining undefeated map.

Statistics from the nine maps NiP has lost on LAN:

Alesund has been clearly the strongest player in NiP's losses, followed up by Lindberg who has together with Friberg played slightly sub-par, perhaps as a result of struggles in entry fragging.

Below is a breakdown by map on NiP's win rate in LAN matches starting on April 5th. They were undefeated with an 87-0 record up until April 5th, so we have ignored all maps until then.

As mentioned above, NiP remains undefeated on de_train_se. Most interestingly, NiP has lost 50% of all the games they've played on de_inferno_se since April 5th – a devastating number compared to their overall win rate of 77,5%. Second weakest map for them is de_nuke_se at 72,7%.

NiP in June 2013

We've also dedicated a section of this article for June only, as it gives us a nice amount of data that is very recent and that is easy to play with to draw more conclusions about NiP players' current form.

We'll start off with their statistics from the 21 online matches they played in June (once again missing ESEA Season 14 matches). They won 17 out of those encounters, good for a winning percentage of 80,1%.

First of all, Alesund sticks out like a sore thumb – but in a good way. He has recorded one of the all-time greatest months by any player; a ridiculous 0.996 KPR, a K:D ratio of 1.95 and a +331 K-D difference with ESEA included.

Even without ESEA Season 14 (where he holds a 1.086 FPR and a K-D difference of +86, which would likely increase his already incredible rating) his rating is 1.48, up from his number-one-in-the-world ranked 1.38.

Lindberg has fallen behind Alesund in K-D difference, but isn't that far off in KPR, and possesses a higher headshot percentage. Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson's low HS% is partly explained by his AWP use. Although it's on an almost equal level with that of Lindberg's (awpKPR of 0.13 for both), due to the higher KPR of Lindberg only 11% of his kills were with an AWP, compared to Johansson's 20,9%.

Friberg has yet again, albeit barely, edged out Landström for the third place within the team. Johansson is the only player on NiP with a negative K:D ratio, and a sub-1 rating as per our statistics, excluding ESEA Season 14.

GeT_RiGhT's June was amazing statistically

On top of losing four maps online in June, NiP also had four wins that ended 16-14 or in overtime. As you might guess from Alesund's statistics, he was likely the reason the Swedes didn't lose those fair maps.

Alesund recorded an out-of-this-worldly 1.95 rating versus German /10/ in NiP's 16-14, win and a well-above-his-average 1.53 rating in their 16-14 besting of Natus Vincere.

In their two overtime wins in ESEA Season 14, Alesund put up scores of 49:28 versus ESC in a 22-20 win (88,5% above his team's average in kills) and 40:21 against VeryGames in a 19-17 win (62% above his team's average in kills).

With those statistics in mind, it's very reasonable to assume Alesund saved them in at least two of those four games, which means NiP could have realistically lost up to four additional maps in June, had one of their stars not bailed them out.

Now let's take a look at NiP's statistics in their LAN matches that took place in June. On LAN their winning percentage took a nosedive, as they won 13 out of 18 maps played, only good for a 72,2% win-rate.

On LAN Alesund and Lindberg are neck and neck with barely any differences in any of their statistics. Landström has edged out Friberg in KPR, but still has a lower rating. Johansson is once again the only player with both a negative K-D difference and a sub-1 rating.

The four top players in NiP are actually very close to each other in KPR in June, as the difference from the top fragger Alesund's 377 kills/0.84 KPR to number four Friberg's 325 kills/0.72 KPR is a mere 14%. Johansson bottoms out at 237 kills/0.53 KPR, a 27% difference from Friberg, or a 37,1% drop from Alesund.

NiP versus Virtus.pro

Considering Virtus.pro is the only team to have defeated NiP in a best-of-three match, we decided to also further analyze those six map losses that the Swedes have suffered against the CIS-based team.

Below are combined statistics from those six maps. Keep in mind that Dauren "AdreN" Kystaubayev has played four of them, with Ladislav "GuardiaN" Kovács having participated in just two.

Virtus.pro's star player Mihail "Dosia" Stolyarov has clearly been the driving force behind his side's victories, recording a 1.24 rating in the six encounters. Kovács is number two at 1.13, but has only played two of the six maps. Stolyarov could be considered somewhat of a NiP killer, as his rating of 1.24 is 0.1 higher than his overall rating.

Only NiP player to post a positive K-D difference is once again Alesund, who is also the only Swede with an above 1.00 rating. Friberg's struggles suggest that NiP's entry killing hasn't worked well versus Virtus.pro, and likely is part of the reason they've been losing.

Dosia has stepped up in wins versus NiP

Something to point out is that NiP has never managed to come back from a map loss versus Virtus.pro to win the next map – each time Virtus.pro has won one they've followed it with a second win to beat NiP.

NiP has followed the other three map losses with multiple consecutive wins, although they were within a lucky defuse by in-game leader Landström from being knocked out by Publiclir.se at DreamHack, in the match following Western Wolves loss.

How to beat NiP?

There's a common denominator in all of NiP's losses on LAN – they have always either lost the opening pistol round (8/9) times, or won the pistol round but lost the second round of the half (versus Western Wolves).

In their nine LAN losses they've only won seven of the eighteen pistol rounds (a rate of 38,9%, well below their overall average), and twice they have lost the immediate round after winning the pistol, only starting 5 of 18 halves favorably (27,8%).

In their online losses (with the exception of SY_b match, of which we have no record) NiP has won just 7 of 22 pistol rounds (an even weaker 31,8%), and lost the second round after winning once, bringing good starts to a half to 27,2%.

The question HeatoN and Fiskoo don't want anyone to find an answer to

While past results are no indication of the future, so far it seems to be impossible to defeat NiP without winning the opening pistol round, or the second round of the half. The Ninjas have been painfully good on LAN when given control early on.

In terms of maps, so far NiP has never lost de_train_se on LAN. As previously pointed out, they've also never surrendered first half leads as terrorists on de_inferno_se, de_nuke_se or de_mirage_go, so their confidence is surely running high after winning those sides.

On the contrary, they have only won 50% (although the sample size is small, just six) of their de_inferno_se games since April 5th, and also somewhat struggled on de_nuke_se (72,7%) and de_dust2_se (81,8%), with a slightly better 85,7% win-rate on de_mirage_go.

What do you think is the reason behind NiP's recent struggles? Do you think they will bounce back this week at SLTV StarSeries VI finals, where they are expected to take on Virtus.pro? Let us know in the comments section.

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OMFG! Great article, lurp! I'll try to read it!

2013-07-02 20:25

24 replies

htlv made a article to drop Fifflaren from NiP, sad :c

2013-07-02 21:58

16 replies

2013-07-02 22:39

actualy he's bad ..but i don't think that NiP will drop him ... like Na'Vi with ceh9

2013-07-02 22:47

11 replies

The difference between them is that ceh9 actually makes great plays occasionally and has been able to change the outcome, as seen several times during his 1.6 career. He was even topfragging from time to time. I haven't seen any of these things from Fifflaren. Look at the statistics in the matches above. Yes, fragging is not his main role but not being able to rack up kills significantly in ANY game and always being on the bottom should be enough of a clue. I have nothing against the guy, he just simply doesn't cut it.

2013-07-02 23:09

4 replies

This !

2013-07-02 23:27

and so has fiff, he has clutched many rounds he shouldnt have to keep nips momentum in games

2013-07-02 23:52

The difference is that Fifflaren doesn't look like a beaver.

2013-07-04 02:12

1 reply

I can't see how their physical appearance has any relevancy in this.

2013-07-04 02:50

lol ceh9 is a great player

2013-07-03 00:24

at csgo i can say he improved his game a lot i was talking about ceh9 ...the 1.6er :p

2013-07-04 14:41

replace him, dumb fag

2013-07-04 04:55

3 replies

actualy i say what i see ...that's what we call 'OPINION' ... and if u feel bad about him , i dont give a Sh*t !

2013-07-04 14:39

2 replies

he's a pro and you're not even a semi-pro you fuckin hypocrite

2013-07-05 03:33

OMG .. u seem to be a real idiot, i'm talking like a spectator , not like a player who criticize another one ... gtfo plz !

2013-07-05 12:50

they didn't do that, but it's real that fiff is really bad..

2013-07-02 23:04

When I first took a quick look on HLTVs main page I read "NiP looses in numbers" and thought they really cut Fifflaren off) troll name by lrps :D

2013-07-02 23:18

vakarm.net/news/read/EMS-RC-One-Summer-F.. Just a little interview with Fiff. He isn't really a AWPer, its just that NiP needed one, and then he could do it. And then he also says, that we will probably see f0rest AWP more than him in the future. So please guys, Fiff havent been playing with his best weapon, so ofc he will not get many kills. Hear the rest in the interview ;)

2013-07-05 17:52

Some of you guys don’t get it, in a good team it is not always about pure skill, yes Fifflaren is the weakest player in NiP, but what do you expect from someone with f0rest and GeT_RiGhT in a team? As some of NiP's players stated before, Fifflaren plays the awp when f0rest doesn’t feel like awping. He didn’t awp in CSS as well, so what do you expect. If you check Fifflarens record with rifles it is much better, than his overall record. I think NiP's players know who important he is for the team, or do you think that GTR wouldnt have said anything if there were any problems. It's also important to consider team spirit, so if the spirit is good and they are winning (+80% !!!) why would you change anything?

2013-07-02 22:11

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Yeah, I know all of this, but he's not the weakest player in NiP, he's weaker than rattlesnk, than jesper, than kennyS, than markeloff and than delpan. Its sadly to say this, but is the reality. I like the Fifflaren's gameplay, but he's too weak when we compare him to another player. His records are better than another sniper because he's ONLY buy awp (except at mirage), and all of NiP's players are who have played the most number of maps in CS:GO.

2013-07-02 23:13

He plays a support role. You can't expect support riflers/awpers to out-frag entry-fraggers that's ridiculous.

2013-07-03 13:10

Isn't support role, he's the sniper, all other sniper players role its positive, he's the only who have negative k/d ratio... A team like NiP who won almost number of maps can't have a player who was negative in almost maps, something is wrong.

2013-07-03 17:29

I agree with you~ I found out that Fifflaren used rifles much better than before in Raildcall EMS one. He is improving. I do not expect that a team have the top 5 player. otherwise, other teams do not have any chances to win. Do not put all the pressure and mistakes into Fifflaren, more focus on the teamwork because others are getting used to their style.

2013-07-02 23:36

+ fucking 1 He's playing much better with rifle :)

2013-07-03 01:31

thats funny. fifflaren uses awp more online than on lan. nip lost with much bigger numbers online than on lan. fifflarens stats are better online than on lan. adds up?

2013-07-03 11:04

great article

Fifflaren mvp

12 replies

HAHAHAH

2013-07-02 20:32

+1 carrying his teammates fifflaren deserves a better team

2013-07-02 20:38

Hilarious xD

2013-07-02 20:51

agreed

2013-07-02 20:58

stilll beter than Oz

2013-07-02 22:40

7 replies

There's no better than Oz, get real son

2013-07-02 23:28

Oz- chuck Norris of CS

2013-07-03 05:21

sorry but Xisco > all

2013-07-03 10:05

Xisco? do you know Xisco? omg I found a 1.6er in HLTVorg.

2013-07-03 23:36

haha hello bro :)

2013-07-04 02:04

rulon? rara?

2013-07-03 11:56

nope, there's only one god of COUNTER STRIKE: THE ONE AND ONLY OZSTRIK3R

2013-07-03 14:50

grat article

2013-07-02 20:26

fifflaren always with negative k/d but hey he's one of the most important players in nip

2013-07-02 20:27

18 replies

Negative rating you mean, KDR does not mean anything really in Counter-Strike unlike in Call Of Duty.

KDR does not mean anything really in Counter-Strike Of course it doesnt even if a player has a 5 k/d it doesnt really matter nope not at all

2013-07-02 21:12

14 replies

saucers gonna sauce..

2013-07-02 21:32

Im a 1.6er man, dont judge by the flag.

2013-07-02 21:33

im supporting you bro! i was talking about the other guy, sry about the misuderstanding, saucer is a strong word.

2013-07-02 21:40

you are a top 1.6er i would say, sick dust2 vs sk-gaming btw <3 u roman <333

2013-07-03 19:14

No it does not matter. If person has good damage per round, kill per round it means something. I can get huge KDR in any competetive game by just hiding and losing rounds. It does not mean shit, it just means who eco gun most. HLTV Rating > DMG and Kill per round > KDR

2013-07-02 21:49

Yes and fifflaren is doing a shitload of dmg, get your facts straight

2013-07-02 22:00

I did not say that. I never even talked about fifflaren... Just read and you might realize it.

2013-07-03 01:22

Obviously it matters if the only reason they have 5 k/d is because they're just baiting or being the last alive consistently. But still end up losing the game?

2013-07-02 22:02

You dont get it do you? The KD says a lot about a player. GeT_RiGhT has a 1.71 K/D and that means he is a great player obviously you have to look at the clutch situations and other things. And i believe there is no player in a top team that stays the last and plays for his KD we're a not in a public server here.

2013-07-02 22:09

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I'm not talking about NiP I'm just talking in general. What you're saying is just retarded. You can have a bad KDR and still be a better player than someone who has a good KDR. What you're saying makes no fucking sense.

2013-07-03 00:51

Examples?

2013-07-03 00:57

For example, I would much rather someone who has better communication and teamwork on a team than someone who gets frags but has neither of those things. It just works better in a team. Fifflaren is just a good fit for NiP regardless of what his "KDR" and "score" is.

2013-07-03 03:35

Yeah of course communication and teamwork are essential to the game but with frags you win rounds and youre talking like theres no player out there that can both frag and be a good teamplayer, in the end frags win matches and mark my words if fifflaren doesnt improve he will be kicked.

2013-07-03 03:49

Obviously there are players who are just as good at communication and teamwork, and generally are consistent fraggers. But if you look at ANY team you will see there is always that guy that just doesn't frag as much as the others but always has a game where they play really well every so often. You need players like that in a team. Doesn't mean he is a weak link by any means.

2013-07-03 04:04

- Fifflaren

2013-07-02 22:21

i'd say he's one of the least important players in nip. if i needed to take 1 player out it would be an easy choice. but taking 1 out from the remaining 4 players would be very difficult.

2013-07-02 21:02

Fifflaren, you are the weakest link, good bye.

god burn those guys who said "great article" without read it

2013-07-02 20:30

WOW nice work I'll try to read too

Great article lurp! I think VP has a psychological advantage over NiP. NiP doesn't feel as confident against them. It's the reversed situation for NiP versus VG. VG seems to choke and make mistakes they never do against other teams. I've always stood behind fifflaren, but these numbers tell a different story... EDIT: lol @ GT in June :O

2013-07-02 20:31

nice reading for Tuesday night

How's that Fifflaren is always first?

gj lurppis nice read

Outstanding article, lurppis.

Some people really should understand that NiP wont get any better if they take in a player like moddii, jw ect. They need that support player like fifflaren are in NiP's strats. egoism would get a huge problem with 5 madaimers in a team

SK Gaming wants a word with you

What is this obsession with "support" players, it's a load of rubbish. The fact is with a player who can at least be as good as their IGL, they wouldn't have lost those matches. ahl always had that role in SK, I guess, but he was an outstanding player in his own right. fifflaren on the other hand isn't an IGL, has a very poor ability to get kills, and has the role of AWPer taken away from him on a regular basis.

2013-07-02 20:55

2013-07-02 21:09

I am totally agree with your opinion, and yes, fifflaren are not a top player NiP should have. But are they so many other swedish players that fits into NiP's gamestyle? Maybe there are, but the social network they got seems pretty good and they are winning games even if they got fifflaren. What I'm saying is that I dont think it is worth risking to replace him.

2013-07-02 21:24

Yes but if he keeps playing like this they have no choice because in the begging in CSGO they steamrolled everyone and he didnt even play good back then and they still one because of the other 4 players performing well, and when they start loosing more often we all know who's gonna get kicked

He's not an awper you fool. F0rest is an awper - Fifflaren does it when f0rest doesn't want to because he was a nobody when he joined NiP. Imagine any great rifler taking up awping for the first time. Check out Fifflaren's rating when he's rifling.

2013-07-02 21:44

Yes he is, giving f0rest an AWP just removes the best rifler from the game, fiff should be the AWPer in NiP, but just isn't good enough, so the cost to keep him having a weapon it's just cheaper to have him rifle.

2013-07-02 22:08

f0rest is an awper?!? what the fuck am I reading?! f0rest only plays the AWP because their main AWP-player sucks. f0rest is the best rifle-player in the world and the fact that he is forced to use the AWP is just sad. waste of talent.

2013-07-03 02:58

f0rest is pretty damn good with the awp too.

2013-07-03 06:52

well es better than fifflaren.. so

2013-07-03 19:34

so... what?

2013-07-04 07:10

i dont know .. so f9rest is a complete player i guess

2013-07-04 20:17

what do you think, fifflaren is in troubles or nip be kept together happens what happens¿

2013-07-04 20:21

By "support player" you mean "meat bait" ? End of trolling. Honestly I don't think replacing Fifflaren would make them a better team. It might, but it would be very risky. The team's chemistry is far more important than a player weaker than the team's average.

2013-07-02 21:36

oxoxo dosia

nice read

2013-07-02 20:33

will read it in bed :D

fifflaren and friberg SUCKS BIG TIME vs VP

fiflaren stronk stats wronk

this

2013-07-02 21:17

Lurppis is great =D

2013-07-02 20:35

nice read!

Sick stuff Tomi

fiff allways worst, even if he improved in last weeks :D fine article :) thumbs up :)

sack fiff, hire pyth

2013-07-02 20:37

GTR <3

Fifflaren XDDD

- 1.6 - 1.6 - 1.6 (LIG) - CSS - CSS

2013-07-02 20:39

you can read the article or you got bored after first part?

Lets do the same thing with the last EMS Winners shall we? -CSS -CSS -CSS -CSS -CSS Tells a different story huh?

2013-07-02 21:57

All tournaments - 1.6 - 1.6 - 1.6 (IGL) - CSS - CSS Except one - CSS - CSS - CSS - CSS - CSS And surprisingly final win was vs other team than NiP

2013-07-03 16:54

poor fiffy ;( n1 article

2013-07-02 20:41

Lurppis made this Thread, So that NIP org can see the statistics and kick Fifflaren. Nice try Lurppis.

That's exactly what I thought, to show how bad are Fiff's stats.

What about the map lost against Lemondogs on LAN?

lurppis ‏@lurppis_ 5s No stats in our database and proofreaders missed it as well - just ignore NiP's undefeated-ness on de_train_se, rest is still 99% correct. lurppis ‏@lurppis_ 1m My apologies, missed NiP's de_train_se loss versus Lemondogs in Svecup qualifier - was on vacation at the time, and couldn't remember it

2013-07-02 20:49

very nice article, gj lurppiq

2013-07-02 20:40

actually i am suprised by friberg´s stats from that matches. he always was the one with crazy kills.

Amazing article lurppis :) I completely agree with your analysis. Each of the NiP player has set task (GeT_RiGhT fifflaren lateround, friberg xizt entry kill f0rest mid round) but what hurt them most is inability to find entry-kill during close rounds. They do not have strats to fall back upon if they fail to get entry-kills. They certainly miss proper IGL.

2013-07-02 20:42

awesome read! Gj

2013-07-02 20:43

??? <3 nip

2013-07-02 20:44

they also lost map against lemondogs at that small swedish lan when delpan joined first.

2013-07-02 20:45

Very good reading :)

Nice article :)!

Awesome article

2013-07-02 20:46

espn_stats_lurppis

2013-07-02 20:48

lol i would hate to be the player that is on the bottom of every single list in that article....especially the june numbers, get_right +235, Fifflaren -9 LOL what......

the fiff tho...

fiffy always last what ever happen :D

Fifflaren out :D

All what you know is Fifflaren's KDR and nothing else. A lot of great teams have passed away because someone thinks that replacing the worst aimer raises the team to new heights.

2013-07-02 20:52

They have to replace fiff,I know he is a key player like what people says but look at his status all of them negative.

nice logic he's key player - replace him they will never do this move, deal with it

Are you sure about that? Tomorrow -fifflaren +Delpan

2013-07-02 21:50

in your dream.

My suspicions about VP match-up were actually true, NiP rely too much on Friberg's entry fragging ability, and VP somehow manage to shut him down. Fifflaren actually stepped up in June after giving up the AWPing, so you guys should not bash him that hard YET

-fifflabot +Me

2013-07-02 20:53

damn sick analysis

goodjob fifflaren you are much bad ! put Delpan OMFG !

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2013-07-02 21:08

Nice in depth review of NiP's successes and failures this past year. I think a big part of it is they jumped to CS:GO so early (betas). A lot of top teams continued to play 1.6 for MONTHS (espcially Na`vi and fnatic). Now if Valve could only get their act together and have a stable game base, then I could enjoy competitive gaming again. Perpetual Beta-Strike. Expect some role-changing in the NiP team IMO. They need to keep evolving and it seems like they've hit a plateau. I say sub out xizt for HeatoN :D

2013-07-02 20:56

-fiff + delpan ...

Didn't Read LOL

2013-07-02 20:57

-fiff +delpan/jw Heaton pls do it.

+schneider :p

2013-07-02 21:03

lurppis taking hltv to the next level!

2013-07-02 20:59

my god, so many idiots on this site.

The thing that I was interested in throughout the last event is their communication&calling. As we had THREAT as a commentator we were able to understand what they were talking about in freeze times. I can clearly say that I heard f0rest's and gtr's voice most of the time. I mean, it should be Xizt who calls. I know, we are not able to listen to their ingame voices all the time. I've seen a comment about the strategies here. They'd better focus on this issue if you ask me.

You actually are able to tap into their coms at all times in Ems one tourneys since they are using raidcall and comunication is public in the room #1997.Try that next finals,its pretty awesome to tbh.

2013-07-02 21:23

Well, I have never used it but I'll take it into account next time. I barely understand Swedish though. However, we don't have a translator like Threat everytime :/

2013-07-02 21:34

You don't need raidcall for it. ESL was having the voices recorded and streamed on these two twitch channels: twitch.tv/esltv_pov1 twitch.tv/esltv_pov2 I believe the VODs are up too. What they did was simply embed those channels into raidcall but anyone without are able to connect. Plus they were not using raidcall. I know western wolves was using teamspeak.

2013-07-02 23:44

edit : NIP disband , GTR, forest join Fnatic xD

2013-07-02 21:01

read the whole thing. good read.

Great work, Tomi!

poor fifflaren, but someone has to be bottom of the stats :/

Sometimes yes but not all the fucking time

yes and with a positive K/D ratio or >1 rating he could still be bottom. no need to overdo it :D

Seems that they depend of friberg's performance, when he plays bad, they lose, cuz the remaining players are always on similar statistics.

2013-07-02 21:07

He is the entry fragger,so thats pretty obvious they will do bad when enty frags fail.Thats not fair to blame him though,teams are progressing and holding sites very well making entry frags hard.

2013-07-02 21:27

It's funny that people doesnt realize that kicking Fifflaren wont make them any better, it would just break the chemistry since theyre all best friends inrl (especially fiff, friberg and f0rp)...Sure fifflaren aint up to par with the other guys but he's good enough

exactly.. but it's hard to realize for some people here

who cares?

2013-07-03 01:33

asdfrofl

2013-07-03 06:54

Naitee

2013-07-03 14:42

Guess what. At least fifflaren is consistent in one thing >.< article of the year

2013-07-03 15:54

Just look at fifflaren for fucks sake

+1 And it's just hilarious reading those "support player"(wtf???) and "different role" type of defences. For fucks sake, it's a computer game, cs. You have to kill the enemy. Kills are important in cs! Fiff sucks at it. There is no way around it.. -fifflaren

2013-07-03 00:33

That's like saying that in soccer all that matters are goals, and that a goalkeeper or a defender are shit because they don't score as many goals as a striker. We're talking about the team with the most wins in CS:GO history, why in the name of fuck would you want to make changes in the first place? Jesus, some people should just have their keyboards taken away.

2013-07-03 18:45

Awful argument, this football one. Seriously, put a little effort next time. You compare two totally different things. Or you are saying that fifflaren is the goalkeeper in their team? That in cs, in order to win a round you don't have to plant/defuse the bomb or eliminate all enemy? Most wins. That's right. But replacing fiff would make them even better, especially considering the fact that other teams are catching up with them. Jesus, some people should just have their keyboards taken away. That's really funny.. I guess.. ?

2013-07-03 19:29

Dumb fuck shut the hell up, fifflaren may be bad at scoring frags, but he's important to the team as he holds the team's spirit together.

2013-07-03 19:03

lol. And how you know anything about their team spirit? Are you friends with them? Are you part of the team? Like get right and forest would loose their mad skill because fifflaren isn't part of the team anymore and instead there is for example delpan? LOL. Get a grip

2013-07-03 19:12

You just went full retard, never go full retard. Why would they kick their good friend for a random guy that can frag insanely, but doesn't have the same character as Fifflaren does? They've achieved many tournament wins for almost the past year. Same words go for you, are you part of the team? You're that kind of type that would kick a guy right after you've lost a tournament/game even though the guys' personality is great and good to hang with. GTFO please!

2013-07-03 21:46

fifflaren pro

NiP are the best!!

2013-07-02 21:15

Seems like 25 years for CS is the same as 35 for football. A handful of players can play on decent level over 25. If you still want to play competitively, you have to switch to another game (e.g. World of Tanks, I know a lot of sick WoT players over 40). CSGO is even faster and more aim-dependent than previous CS games, so I doubt you can successfuly measure swords with 18-24 y.o. guys. Fifflaren is 26 now, so probably he can't be a top fragger anatomically. But we don't know anything about NiP's inner spirit and relations, so we can't confidently advice NiP to replace him relying only on KDR.

2013-07-02 21:18

I beg to differ :) For example, a persons reflexes in life, is topped at the average of 53 years, thereon it descends. Depends obviously on practice, how well a 50 year old would take on a 20 year old. But I can assure you, There weren't many young gunslingers in the old west surviving the older experienced ones. If you have 2 persons practicing equally, where one is 20 and the other 50. And both had equally none existing concern in life outside of the game. I would put my money on the 50 year old. As for a PC game, the age itself is not the problem. It's just that when you get older, you have a hell of a lot more in mind outside of the game, why you will easily lose focus. People like to use the age excuse when retiring, but it's not the true direct cause.

2013-07-02 22:24

Reflexes and age Reflexes do slow with age. Physical changes in nerve fibers slow the speed of conduction. And the parts of the brain involved in motor control lose cells over time. But the effect of age on reflexes and reaction time varies tremendously from person to person. You can actually slow down--even reverse--the effects of aging by staying physically active. Heed the adage: If you don't use it, you'll lose it. yalemedicalgroup.org/stw/Page.asp?PageID..

2013-07-03 00:25

Unfortunately I don't know anything about the old west besides the ability to count to six for yourself and for that guy. :] I think we can just find some olympic sports that requires strong reflexes and look to it's champions age. May be fencing? About feeding your family: average month salary in Ukraine is $300. So money factor is inversed for the most part of Eastern Europe - the majority of men agree to play computer game if they would receive $2000-3000. This subject requires more research to be clear. Could someone list the most aged top players in the past and in the present? Their specialization would be fine too (awp/rifle). Other games are welcomed.

2013-07-03 00:54

Fifflaren ahahahaaha

NiP actually lost a map to Lemondogs in the eSport-SM Lan-Qualifier. Source: hltv.org/news/10740-nip-survive-lemondog..

2013-07-02 21:19

It was Svecup Qualifier sry.

yup, as posted above: lurppis ‏@lurppis_ 12h No stats in our database and proofreaders missed it as well - just ignore NiP's undefeated-ness on de_train_se, rest is still 99% correct. lurppis ‏@lurppis_ 12h My apologies, missed NiP's de_train_se loss versus Lemondogs in Svecup qualifier - was on vacation at the time, and couldn't remember it

2013-07-03 08:51

yep, I missed that loss in the LAN statistics

2013-07-02 22:52

sick article, fifflaren so bad(now we have a proof), gtr beast.

2013-07-02 21:20

ME > BOTFLAREN

ye fo sho

2013-07-03 11:58

the best article, you've ever done!

NiP versus Virtus.pro wELL Virtus has 6 players so... ^^

wow impressive thread, really well done!

2013-07-02 21:26

Amazing work Tomi. Like really enjoyed it. I think the main reason for VP's dominance on LAN vs NiP is two or three fold. 1) All of those players from past teams, in 1.6 - Dosia/Fox in M5 etc. and Ang3l and kucheR in DTS played for teams that where always extremely dangerous in a way they could win everyone and lose to everyone. And they go into every game with the same mindset. They are a huge momentum team which also gain momentum fairly easily because of their randomness. in 1.6 those two teams where amazing deagle/force buy teams. And NiP just can't counter that. Like stated in article they lose matches where they don't win pistol or loose 2nd round. And VP is a team that is great at pistols and being on an eco. 2) The skill level for VP on a hot day and NiP on a semi-cold day is equal I feel today with GuardiaN and Dosia. Those two on a hot streak keep up with GTR and f0rest easily. Then we have similar IGL's in the way that they usually frag pretty good. Then I feel that Fox+kucher are better than friberg+fifflaren. And by that I feel they can get an edge. 3) The AWP of GuardiaN vs the AWP of fiff/f0rest - stability, hit your IMPORTANT shots and be a natural awper. Although I do feel the need for a solid awper is less in CSGO, GuardiaN is SO good with it, it gives his team something else to look to. He is both a super aggresive awper, but also a great clutching awper. He has the whole package with a weapon that can change rounds with 2 or 3 shots. One thing that captured me regarding friberg not entry fragging as well as normal, shouldn't NiP think about maybe try and let GTR entry with f0rest and just use their amazing aim to there advantage in that way. You can clearly see the difference in experience between fiff and friberg vs the 1.6 trio - experience shows best during big games and such. To even help my point we see that NiP lose more if they don't get on a roll, meaning confidence might one of the issues with friberg and fiff in those games. Again, mad props Tomi and I'd love your input on those points I bring up.

2013-07-02 21:31

1) i don't agree with the "lose against everyone" suggestion; their playing style was random, but their results were not. i do think nip struggles in countering virtus' playing style though. 2) hot day for dosia and guardian equals a normal day for get_right and f0rest in my book... except for maybe gtr's june. rest of the teams are fairly equal imo. 3) guardian definitely has an edge. f0rest can compete with him with an awp, but if he's awping it's a big loss for nip in rifling dept. gtr has never ever been an entry fragger. it's simply not what he does, and i think it's too late to even consider changing after all these years. however, i think f0rest could entry frag more, he just chooses not to. i'm not sure if experience or nerves are the problem; they've already won a ton in cs:go. fifflaren isn't playing much worse in losses than in wins, it's proportional to everyone else - his standard level of play is simply lower. friberg plays the hardest role in the team, so he is likely going to suffer the most in losses.

2013-07-03 08:57

Kudos for the article, can't imagine the time it took... Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I remember f0rest used to do the entries during fnatic's golden age, so I do find confusing he's not brought forward in this role anymore. Also, big +1 for the loss on the rifle side if he goes awp. We all know he can be decent with an awp (wasn't he awping as 2nd in SK ~2011?), but I think I remember he did say it wasn't his favorite role in an old itw. So I wonder if he felt obliged / the team forced him to take this role because fifflaren complained loud enough, or if he/they really believe he will be a top grade awp. I don't really doubt he'd become so, but this would prolly take time....which they don't have the luxury to spend imo. All this is obviously mitigated by the fact that sniping has less an impact in GO than it used to be in .6 (which I regret a bit I'd say...always liked to watch top grade snipers moves)

2013-07-03 16:04

started monday, finished tueday :D f0rest used to entry frag and be a mega aggressive player, but i believe when gux joined fnatic in 2009 and started doing that more f0rest took a backseat and decided to play back a little more, and has had that role since then. he's probably still the second guy into sites on average, but not the first. he has always been a very good defensive awp (read: cs) and he's used an awp as terrorist on train, but he's never been a full time awp. he used to awp in fnatic or sk when they used double awps (e.g. train ct, train t sometimes in fnatic when they were losing a lot, dust2 ct etc.). i think he awps in cs:go because he's a better defensive awper than fifflaren and on some maps an awper can really make a difference. i have yet to see f0rest awping as terrorist in a serious cs:go match though.

2013-07-03 16:30

I felt like they could lose to worse teams if they had an off day. yeah I meant Dosia + GuardiaN hot keeps GTR and f0rest cold I know GTR never has been an entry fragger, I was simply like trying to think of something to break up the game if friberg isn't getting entries. Not change his role for all games vs VP or anything, just an on the fly adjustment for the IGL They have won a ton of CS:GO stuff, but granted that was a lot when other teams where I think behind because NiP switched so early. I said in an HLTV.org thread somewhere, more than once that I felt NiP would dominate all until spring off 2013, then they'd start to slip up but still remain among the top teams. My opinion is that their headstart helped tremendously.

2013-07-03 19:45

i guess so far in 6 months they just haven't had off days then, just like nip hasn't? :) i think nip has been struggling with calling a bit, but after sltv is over they have a break to change things and i bet xizt will renew their game plan quite a bit.

2013-07-04 07:06

Yeah, I might have chosen my words badly, I meant that CIS teams in the past, excluding NaVi had a tendency to play super good at one tournament, placing top3 maybe after great play, only to go out early in the next one. I especially felt M5 played like that. VP don't do quite as badly, in they way they don't crash out in groups or early brackets. but still feel weird somehow in the way they can beat NiP but then loose to WW (CPH Games) and VG (EMS) But I might be wrong or remembering wrong

2013-07-04 15:37

i really don't think m5 had bad tournaments just about ever... their playing style seemed chaotic at best, but i felt like their results were always consistent.

2013-07-04 15:52

not even one stats where fifflaren k/d is + LOL

These stats is only from the games they've lost. However his kd i 1.17 - this just tells that he is probably focusing more on the tactical part of the game when they are in trouble compared to his fraggin :-)

2013-07-03 03:14

cool story bro

2013-07-03 06:37

awww yeeah 1.17 k/d in a team that has lost like 1% of their total maps. its soo amazing

2013-07-03 16:26

His overall rating is 1.03, which ofc isn't that bad but not really up to par to his teammates rates.

2013-07-03 17:59

And how can that retarded kids typing "Fifflaren is doing good" lol

2013-07-02 21:28

nice !

2013-07-02 21:29

really great thread and i think nip must add delpan and kick fifflaren :) he is good but not good as the nip players :D

Its amazing how well NiP are playing with Fifflaren. Its almost like 4on5, but with gtr and f0rest its like 6on5 anyway :P

2013-07-02 21:38

ofc Fifflaren the best!

2013-07-02 21:37

fifflazstrik3r

2013-07-02 21:39

fifflaren WTF IS HE DOING IN THIS TEAM ? sign JASPER from epsilon. better swedish awp than fiflaX10

Remember that jw is 10 years younger than Fifflaren. The personal connection is even more important. jw is 18, the youngest player at NiP is gtr at 23. Its some age different.

then they should go for MODDII or Delpan wow, imagine MODDII in that team. they would become even more OP :D

2013-07-02 22:54

friberg is 21 Xizt is 22

2013-07-03 07:08

Great article!

2013-07-02 21:42

get_right +235 forest +128 friberg +69 xizt +59 and now MVP player fifflaren -9 :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

2013-07-02 21:45

Great read lurppis. Any plans to review other teams?

lurppis, superb work as per usual. only cArn has done as much as you for the CS scene! Keep it up. Nice interview on Greatfrag too.

interview link pls

2013-07-03 00:40

somewhere in twitch.tv/greatfrag/b/424891533, post a reply if you find the exact time :)

2013-07-03 08:58

Starts at 51:50

Good work but lurppis you usually say that too many people are obsessed with statistics but yourself put always these statistics to so big part of your topics? What is the idea of that?

2013-07-02 21:53

i always start with the eye test when watching people play, and then see if statistics confirm it. statistics are just numbers, it depends how you interpret them. i left most of the interpretation up to the reader - if you notice, i barely drew any conclusions in the entire article. for example, i don't think i said anything negative about fifflaren. i even defended his low hs% with a rational explanation i could have just as well left out and unresearched. that being said, the entire point about this article are the numbers. i've seen some people draw some clever conclusions (e.g. #40) from the stats i laid out in the article. good job!

2013-07-03 09:05

Lurppis is AWESOME!!! This is what I call a serious interesting well made article. Hope Ritchard Blewhis can learn with Lurppis...

2013-07-02 21:59

fiflaren wont be happy with that ;D

2013-07-02 22:06

gosh, how many butthurts out there i respect you lurppis but i don't see the reason to do this statistics if not because you personally hate fifflaren ''to look for answers'' - what answers?! i bet you search about why nip didn't win all the maps and all the lans till now how hypocrite can you people be?! ''omg easy money for nip'' , ''its no sense to watch, nip will always win'' , ''this game is not interesting with nip winning everything'' when they start loosing ''omg fifflaren bot/low/saucer'' ''they must kick him and bring in jw, delpan, schnneider'' ''-fiff +barbara with big tits'' why should they?! i mean this people have a record ''in a new game'' that no one before was even close to achieve it in any other game, they won everything this year(except the sltv and this 3rd/4th place) , they are a great team without any doubt. just give them a brake, they will win the Esea lan finals and the sltv only for you haterz~ , then you can start crying again.

2013-07-02 22:16

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You're mentally challenged.

2013-07-03 00:05

i don't get why you comment cs'go news, you were noob in 1.6, noob in promod and i don't want to see your skill in cs'go so your knowledge about the game is 0. thanks for reply and adios

2013-07-03 00:37

I don't see the point in why you should give a negative comment towards the article. People love statistics, it's not like the stats were fiction isnt it?

2013-07-03 12:29

i didn't sayd that the statictics doesn't say the truth or something, lurppis is good at this but you didn't get my point.. you don't need a brain to know that get right and forest are the best in nip even without knowing the statistics, what i'm trying to say is - ok , there are some people who love statistics , but lurppis ''is trying'' to find ''the problem'' in NiP. i don't see any problem in NiP actually, they won everything till now, they have a record, we all know that fifflaren is the last on all maps but this article is not made to show us only the statistics but is targeting without any doubt fifflaren's place in NiP. i can make you an example: lets say that fifflaren will be replaced by Delpan. There are 2 possibilities: 1)NiP will play ''better'' and win everything till they kill the game and the poor interest the game already has towards 2)NiP will have a better player but they will fail getting the same gameplay and they will play worse. Conclusion: in any of these 2 cases i'm right and fifflaren must stay in NiP for everyone's sake. cheers

2013-07-03 12:54

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Hell, you're overthinking and obviously overreact. Whether lurppis write this article with that in mind (suggesting Fiff to be kicked) or not, the fact is that he's not showing any of it in the article. He just purely served us with the stats and that's all. Otherwise, it's your own negative thinking and it's your own problem. I see mine was different than yours, the fact that friberg does not play his role well in the losing matches was interesting and it can open such a good discussion. That's one positive point about this article, and surely there will be more of it. I think that you intent to defend Fifflaren from the haters, but why the heck did you target the article which it's only purpose was serving us with "true numbers"?

2013-07-03 13:14

Because i think lurppis is hating fifflaren for an unknown reason. Let's be honest, you don't make a ''12 months'' recapitulation only for statistics to show something already evident if you don't have other ''hiden'' motivations. I agree with you that friberg didn't played that great lately but the same thing we can say about xizt. I'm not gonna argue about this, these are my thoughts, i respect lurppis and all his job, i want to see him casting all the lan finals, but i don't like this article and if you watch the other comments you'll see that i'm not the only one who interpreted it in this way. In fact a lot of people comment only about fiflaren and want him out.. but there's no reason to replace him.

2013-07-03 13:30

Even if it states the obvious, the numbers is still interesting to read. Nothing's wrong with this article, and it accomplished it goals to gather and satisfy the readers. You can think what you want, but your opinion is nothing more than just a speculation. About people saying -fifflaren thing, it's their own opinion and once again you cant blame the article for showing us the fact.

2013-07-04 08:51

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so if you're right tomorrow we will see an article like this for na'vi, fnatic, vp, vg, cph, ww, ldlc ''because we love numbers to read'' you need a 3rd eye to see behind this numbers or you are a part of those 85% of this site wich are defined by guardian ''retards'' #218 I feel that i'm loosing my time replying to you but i will try again, for the last time. Lurppis is showing us ''your beloved statistics & numbers'' but he is ''trying'' and is asking the others about what are NiP'S problems. Someone who watched NiP's games will know without seeing this statistics that fifflaren is the last. But this becomes and evident reason for nobrainers( and they are a lot believe me) to hate fifflaren. Now my response to this is: NiP doesn't have problems, fifflaren is a good part of the team and deserves his place no matter what are ''his numbers'', a team can ''struggle'' because we are humans and we all do mistakes and this thread is made TO BRING HATE If you're right and this is not the reason but its obvious is, tomorrow we will see statistics about the other teams who are f^cking struggling from the start of cs:go. There is no reason to make an article about a team who won everything and have a record asking about ''What are nip's reasons for the recent struggles'' after you show your low numbers because you(lurppis) already know that the most of people will write ''FIFFLAREN is the reason, look at his numbers'' I hope i made it clear for you sir, i hope you enjoyed your numbers and now you know what is the problem in nip.

2013-07-04 12:40

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First thing first, it's up to the writer to make such an article. I think it makes sense to write NiP's statistic since they were undefeated before and now seems like teams are catching up to them, or the fact VP has now won 3 Bo3 against them. Weird that you don't you want to see the analysis and stats for that, no? LOL now you suspect me as fiff haters, funny... And once again you need to read my posts above. Whether lurppis intent to do that or not, the article itself has nothing to do about it. Why do you need to focus on Fifflaren? Why not instead you focus on how is get_right producing +200 frags in just a month? or How is he the only decent player to play against VP? or How is Xizt stats are falling recently? FFS how important is this Fifflaren guy for this entire article is solely dedicated for him? I think it's just you and your negative mind. Try to see some positive side instead of whining on every thing you doesn't see fit. Whine doesn't help you sir. "Someone who watched NiP's games will know without seeing this statistics that fifflaren is the last." Is everyone here watching every NiP matches? Well that's not the case for me, and this stats is indeed a GOOD THING to know.

2013-07-04 21:17

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so tomorrow if i make an article with statistics about vg and ask the community: ''hey guys what do you think is the reason behind VG's recent struggles'' ...I will not know that the 90% of responses will be ''Ex6TenZ is a bot'' ''-Ex6TenZ'' etc. And what about today: Na'Vi winning the first map...''omg let's make a news about it'', NiP is demolishing Na'Vi on the 2nd map ''hmmm you know guys, you'll have to wait till the match ends because i'm too hurt to speak about fifflaren's big play'' cmon... such a joke.

2013-07-04 21:27

Haters will be hate, even if the article weren't there they will exist somewhere. You're baited? your fault, not the article. Whaa.. oh God, completely speechless here. Looks like someone has problem with his head. Either you're a newb or troll, that news is nothing new in HLTV. They did the same with VP in last Starseries, and now they did it again. Btw that was a good article, had like 147 comments there... not bad. cmon.. you're a bad joke, no?

2013-07-04 23:45

2013-07-05 01:00

There you go, have fun. hltv.org/news/10905-statistics-of-navi-v..

2013-07-05 11:56

btw lame answer dude, nice try

2013-07-04 23:48

na`vi beating nip is interesting, nip beating na`vi isn't.

2013-07-05 21:33

if you take it like this you're right but from others point of view may seem that you are favouring only one team

2013-07-05 21:35

if people can't connect those two dots... oh well.

2013-07-05 21:46

that's a lot of sql statements. i'd like a copy of the db to run my own aggregations "There's a common denominator in all of NiP's losses on LAN � they have always either lost the opening pistol round (8/9) times, or won the pistol round but lost the second round of the half (versus Western Wolves)." They have lost one of the first two rounds. good article none the less.

2013-07-02 22:29

Tomi the article is very well written and even better researched. You may or may not know that your breakdown of the intricacies and nuances of professional game-play makes it much more interesting and inspiring to follow CS for me as I'm sure it does for a lot others too. Your professional commitment and personal dedication towards the community, by sharing your knowledge and work, is well worthy of an ovation :) Cheers and have a good one. P.S. I'll share my love for hltv staff sometime later ^_^

2013-07-02 22:27

If you cannot see that fifflaren is not a player of skill comparable to the 4 other players on NiP, then you are probably bad at GO. It's not just the stats- you can tell from watching them actually play that fiff isn't playing well in his role. He makes many more mistakes than his other teammates. NiP should definitely think about replacing him if they want to remain dominant.

Great article! Very interesting to read. Another interesting thing would be the NiP vs Verygames rivalry. Since almost 1 year VG tries to defeat NiP and I'm very curious about the actual statistics.

Great article, I feel bad for NiP because they are playing 4 vs 5.

2013-07-02 22:46

nice work lurppis

Huge read so I obviously have to agree that fifflaren is the weak part of NiP and when f0rest/gtr not on fire they usually lose a lot. But after reading the pistol shit don't you think it's actually good if they win games even without pistol? Pistol rounds gives huge advantage to teams and if NiP can win without that it's good. If NiP wants to improve they need a better awp then fiffy for sure.. They are keeping him because "they are good friends and shit..."

2013-07-02 22:53

fifflaren noob, need delpish

delpan sux

2013-07-02 23:37

Gr8 blog lurp. NiP going down. VP is a nightmare for NiP on LAN events.

2013-07-02 22:58

Holy sheep! :0 I didn't think fifflaren's statistics are that bad D:

2013-07-02 23:07

if they want to secure their spot as the world's best team there is only one thing to do but if having the most fun is more important to them... well, it's no one else's business then

2013-07-02 23:14

its truly none of your business ..lol

2013-07-03 00:21

jesus, how people can say that fifflaren doesn't get carried?

NiP is still best team in the world, they lost only two lans. So much hate on fifflaren, omg... You should support him instead of blaming in everything

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2013-07-02 23:54

Wonder if Richard Lewis could have come up with something like this. Oh yeah, in length yes, but only full of garbage opinions and speculations.

2013-07-03 00:06

Why do you have to turn this thread into mocking Richard Lewis? It makes no sense spewing that shit.

2013-07-03 03:20

It's the purpose of my life.

2013-07-03 09:10

The sad part is: Thats true.

2013-07-03 15:42

Never claimed it wasn't. No idea why you would even speculate.

2013-07-03 15:49

1.6 players > p00r CS:Sers

2013-07-03 00:28

lurpis always doing nice work

2013-07-03 00:34

n11111111 go verygames

2013-07-03 00:35

How to make NiP start winning again? Drop Fifflaren...

2013-07-03 00:38

-f0rest -get_right +me +you

2013-07-03 00:41

Sounds good. I'm in.

2013-07-03 00:59

teach him to play 1v1 situations :)

2013-07-03 09:37

VP too strong

Great article. I expect NiP to work on both pistol rounds and less aim-heavy strats. Also I'd love to see f0rest being used as entry fragger more often, during Ems One he had some insane rounds. Especially if Friberg struggles NiP should just unleash f0rest :] SLTV finals is going to be great!

2013-07-03 00:53

- any team with f0rest and GTR in it will be top3 - fifflaren.. go home, trail device, twist and delphan for his place

2013-07-03 00:55

hltv should cut slurppis

2013-07-03 01:07

Science has spoken, Fifflaren is under of the rest of the team and NIP need really a real sniper, a sniper makes the difference and makes the open-kill.

2013-07-03 01:35

after i read the comments i can saythat 85% of you are complete retards.. blaming fiff forhis stats lol.n lot of times theyve been close to loose and fiff saved them. :-) now feel free to flame me nobrains

2013-07-03 02:18

This.

2013-07-03 03:00

Fiff said in an interview with VakarM he'll awp way less from now on, so I'm really hoping it'll show in a boost statwise so all the statwh*res on hltv shut the f*ck up.

2013-07-03 03:52

Only problem is, if he stops awping then f0rest will awp and they won't have f0rest to carry them any more with his rifle :( ..

2013-07-03 04:32

That won't be as much of an issue, f0rest will probably awp whenever the heck he feels like it (and own as always). Fifflaren also said they (NiP) think an awp isn't really necessary currently in CSGO, hence why Fifflaren is now swapping to main rifle (and sub awp I think).

2013-07-03 05:15

they should really just stop using fifflaren for awping, its just throwing money away. awp is really only needed on train and d2 anyway so let forp awp on those maps

2013-07-03 16:32

I could have told you 85% of the people on this site are retards - even before reading the comments :) (Well played at the emsone finals btw)

2013-07-03 06:22

2013-07-03 10:49

Well said.

2013-07-03 11:01

ventrilo.exe

2013-07-03 11:31

respect guardian

2013-07-03 13:31

saying this so you'd look good, and you're hoping NIP's gonna read this so they wouldn't replace fiff because you know you always have better chance of beating NIP with him on their team. [/sarcasm] tactical comment ftw :D

2013-07-04 21:11

Struggled at Dreamhack?

2013-07-03 02:32

A victim of their own success and the high bar they have set for themselves. Losing a map during a tournament constitutes "struggling" for NiP. ;)

2013-07-03 05:12

i'd call losing a map 2-16 and being a very lucky 1v3 defuse away from being knocked out in 9-12th place (followed up by a map loss in the first series they played in the playoffs) struggling. yes.

2013-07-03 11:05

Good read as always.

2013-07-03 02:41

Good job

2013-07-03 02:57

Fifflaren is a disgrace, let's be serious. It's time to replace him.

2013-07-03 03:08

One thing u will see that either it is a online defeat or offline defeat or stats vs. any particular team, u will see fifflaren always on the bottom with negative K-D difference..... this shows that he must be replaced. No doubt, team is winning and performing well but it doesn't mean that they should keep weak part just coz of team chemistry... . . . . . . . . . This is my view. If u don't agree with this then don't argue like a lawyer. Ur's view may be different.

2013-07-03 03:56

so you risk to blow up the team chemistry you already have, that brings you phenomenal results and records, to add a better player and risk to loose everything you managed to get till now.. -.- good logic indeed, no wonder why indian teams are top 10.000 at everything.

2013-07-03 13:15

it is not 100% true that team chemistry will never be like this. Yes i agree that after changing player there will be a drop in team chemistry but it will improve with just little bit of time coz they all are pros and after settling down as same team chemistry with a powerful player team will be more dangerous... and as u said about India. I accept that we are no where in pro scene not even in semi pro or mini pro level coz we dont have a base here. We dont have a sponserers for these events... We play intra college, inter college tourneys and we enjoy from that... The other thing is that we are more carrier oriented people. I am 22 year old and i am petroleum engineer. I have a job and in free time i can enjoy from games. We can't live like pros that upto 25-26 yr play games and after that make carrier and job and etc.... so there are so many barriers that we are not upto that level. I hope u got that...

2013-07-03 18:59

If NIP wants to dominate again. THey urgently need a TOP SNIPER. The only Sweden top sniper i see is JW. Even though he is very young, but he is very talented. They need to give him a chance.

2013-07-03 04:44

Great article! Well done!

2013-07-03 04:51

Where is Lemondogs?They won nip last month.

2013-07-03 04:55

#52

make about Natus Vincere and ESC Gaming . They are one of the best team in CS:GO and 2/2 best teams on CS 1.6

2013-07-03 05:24

Good joke.

2013-07-03 06:15

Nice joke hahaha

2013-07-05 09:59

If I were to change anything in the ranks of NiP it would just be Fiff to entry fragger. He can pull of some crazy shots sometimes, but his clutch ability is basically nil. Move him to entry, keeping f0rest and GTR alive more often than not in more clutch situations. TL;DR bait Fiff

2013-07-03 05:55

Great article lurppis

2013-07-03 07:47

NiP lost to Lemondogs in LAN too.

2013-07-03 09:03

Dosia > NiP

2013-07-03 09:08

What the heck is the wrong with you guys? NiP are still good. Too good! This is just because other teams have been catching up the gaps. If NiP need to disband or go under a roster change, many teams should hang up their mouses.

2013-07-03 09:31

The sample size is too small to draw any strong conclusions, particularly on the maps lost. I mean there is no way NiP is weaker on Nuke than d2. I still think most teams have their best chances at beating them on d2 and it is the map that they have had the most close encounters on over the whole period.

2013-07-03 09:58

R.I.P FIFF

2013-07-03 11:17

-fif +luq

2013-07-03 11:25

fiff always last

2013-07-03 11:28

Only one solution. -Fifflaren

2013-07-03 11:39

fiff -200...

2013-07-03 11:40

Shit happens with a shitty game

amazing write up lurpsz

2013-07-03 13:42

article's name should be "NiP, please cut Fifflaren already"

2013-07-03 13:49

ye looks easy onj paper

2013-07-03 14:16

This community is more braindamaged than LoL's community.. Jesus christ shitballs

2013-07-03 15:45

2013-07-03 21:06

Great article ! Great analysis , keep up the good work :)

2013-07-03 16:03

Great job!

2013-07-03 16:20

Fifflaren, the Funes Mori of CSGO

2013-07-03 18:55

Dosia... destroyer of NiP

2013-07-03 23:09

Fifflaren dno :>

2013-07-04 00:34

Very nice article

2013-07-04 02:06

dosia b21 bos

2013-07-04 04:40

What a great article

2013-07-04 15:47

I think NiP are starting to struggle now because their only solid awper is f0rest, who is best utilized as a rifle. If they were to let f0rest use all rifles and replace Fiff with a "real" awper I think we'd see a way more dominant NiP; they may lose initial chemistry like VP did with GuardiaN but I think in the long run it would work in their favour, much like GuardiaN on VP. Maybe not today, and maybe not tomorrow, but sooner or later the lack of a good awper (other than f0rest) is going to hurt their overall performance.

2013-07-06 23:35