DaZeD takes a break from CS:GO

3-7-2013 10:30

Former Quantic Gaming in-game leader Sam "DaZed" Marine has decided to take a break from competitive Counter-Strike and his team Denial to focus on Call of Duty on Xbox.

Marine's Denial eSports currently hold a 10-1 record in ESEA Invite, practically a lock to qualify for ESEA Invite Season 14 finals. In an interview with ESEA News he stated his goal was to finish the season 14-2.

According to Marine he has two reasons for stepping down from Counter-Strike, at least temporarily, to try his luck in Call of Duty, which is expected to have multiple one-million dollar tournaments on the new Xbox.

DaZeD takes a break from CS:GO to play Call of Duty on Xbox

As the first reason he cited the lack of support from Valve and the CS:GO developer team, who haven't helped the game grow by supporting it similarly to what Riot and Blizzard are doing.

His second reason was the current state of the North American Counter-Strike scene. Marine stated it's next to impossible to get proper practice, which makes playing both boring and unenjoyable. Below is the direct quote:

"As I said, I’ll evaluate what I’m going to do after my break. The reason though for me taking a break and moving on and trying out console is two reasons, the first being that Valve and the developers of CSGO refuse to support their game, and without their support the game is going to slowly dwindle or stagnant and never really grow.

"The other reason is that the current state of the NA scene is basically us getting on at 5PST, waiting for a scrim until about 6PST, realize there is nobody to play, then play some PUG, after that we play an IM team or something and call it a night. To me that is very boring and it is not enjoyable enough for me to play right now."

He will be teaming up with two former Curse members, Michael "Michael3D" Wilbanks and Jeff "emong" Anderson in Call of Duty. He's isn't however necessarily making a full switch as he plans on continuing to play some CS:GO.

Denial have recruited two former Quantic members Carey "frozt" Kertenian and Trey "tck" Martin to replace Marine, and Keith "NAF-FLY" Markovic, who will no longer be a starter.

Denial eSports:

Carey "frozt" Kertenian
Neil "MONTE" Montgomery
Trey "tck" Martin
Justin "MOSBECK" Mosbeck
Ricky "sLip" Cohen

Denial should be on show at ESEA Invite Season 14 finals, set to take place on August 16-18 in Dallas, TX. It is unclear whether Marine maybe back from his hiatus in time for the event.

2 weeks

2013-07-03 10:30

11 replies

CS:GO too is dead

2013-07-03 11:20

3 replies

cs deadened many years ago

2013-07-03 13:45

CS 1.7 on the way - infa 100% :D

2013-07-03 15:45

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2013-07-10 08:21

CS:GO is dying

2013-07-03 14:22

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CS: GO is born, but in the U.S. CS will never be at the level of

2013-07-10 08:23

Let's hope so, otherwise its bad news for us cs

2013-07-03 23:59

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CSGO if it dies, it will be no more e-sports shooters and shooters in e-sports will die forever

2013-07-10 08:25

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They may come another big game, bit atm i don't see any top team fps like cs in development

2013-07-10 08:55

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over CSGO work, now Valve working on improving the game, then CSGO likely to be f2p and will attract more players and do not forget that this is one of the two e-sports shooters at the moment. In general it is an interesting process and Vavle want to give what she wants community

2013-07-10 09:10

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u're noob & ur english sux

2013-07-10 09:51

The American scene is pretty bad currently.

2013-07-03 10:31

Call of Duty ? da fuq ...

2013-07-03 10:32

23 replies

When the developers are putting on tournaments with a prize pot of $1million, I'd rather play CoD if I was good enough too.

2013-07-03 10:41

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1) Add that scope with wall hack to your gun 2) Get some good Killstreaks 3) Never forget to dropshot 4) ?????? 5) Profit

2013-07-03 11:01

12 replies

Apparently it's all about the jumpshot now instead

2013-07-03 12:03

it sounds like shit but its great to watch... try watching a nadeshot stream on twitch one night

2013-07-03 13:35

9 replies

I watched Promod, but I can't watch BLOPS 2. I was watching the million dollar tournament up until the moment the caster said some player had a great map awareness, even though he was using the "wallhack" sight...

2013-07-03 15:20

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there isnt a wallhack sight, there is a heat sight on the sniper which is a bit OP imo! but the top players are so good to watch as its a very tactical game

2013-07-03 16:57

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there is a wall hack sight if you are close enough it will sensor your heat and you can see through walls

2013-07-03 19:05

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Cold Blooded is a counter to that sight tho :)

2013-07-09 16:21

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Well idk i dont play it enough to know the perks but i was just saying there is one cause he thought there wasnt :)

2013-07-09 20:34

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I know ;) I would just point it out so people that think it's that big a deal, could know that there is a counter.

2013-07-09 20:39

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Well to be fair i do watch.the cod competitive scene from time to time and never see any pros using it only like once or twice

2013-07-09 21:01

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It's because they use toughness on most of their classes, i have seen nadeshot use it sometimes. But as i said before toughness is the prefered perk. To be fair MMS isn't used that much at high level.

2013-07-09 21:19

watch someone play cod with a joystick instead of a mouse? no thx its time for the steambox

2013-07-04 07:57

That just shows that you have never played CoD competitive.

2013-07-04 02:37

why not? atleast they care about their game, update it n listen 2 the community unlike valve the shitheads.

2013-07-03 11:10

7 replies

he is going to earn some money, unlike in csgo

2013-07-03 11:28

Seems like you have never played CoD. CoD developers NEVER listen to the community, and all they care about is money. Releasing the same game every year with a different name. A few millions they put in tournaments is nothing compared to what they earn from sales.

2013-07-03 11:44

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They're making 1 billion dollars in the first month every year. It's the biggest, most profitable piece of entertainment (not only games) in the world. 1mln tournament is funny money for them :-)

2013-07-03 12:22

but still they put millions in tournaments... Other than single-player.. i don't like CoD. Valve is doing so with dota2... don't know why they are not doing the same or at least half of it with csgo

2013-07-03 12:56

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cuz dota2 has 4 times cs:go's community numbers WITHOUT including China in all this ? lol

2013-07-03 16:14

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and it's not even released yet as it's still in "beta" :D

2013-07-03 18:32

never go full retard

2013-07-03 16:22

VERY easy money for semi-pro in cs scene.

2013-07-03 12:15

last year after quiting 1.6 i enjoyd a lot playing call of duty on xbox :) too bad i didnt stick with it

2013-07-03 10:42

Disgusting but understandable. Thank you Valve.

2013-07-03 10:42

ggwp

2013-07-03 10:45

Yeah try ur luck on dat shit. You'll lose.

2013-07-03 10:45

sry, complaining but then joining cod? this guy can't be taken seriously. what an idiot haha.

2013-07-03 10:45

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MLG > ESEA He's gotta make a living.

2013-07-03 10:53

68 replies

he complains about the production/some aspects of csgo or the missing support for the competitive community by valve but then joins an a lot shittier product on a freakin console?! this doesn't make any sense, money or not.

2013-07-03 10:59

67 replies

Desperate times call for desperate measures... Whether you like it or not, every pro-players are in it for the money, some don't even really enjoy playing the games.

2013-07-03 11:00

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Then they should just quit gaming. Playing games at high level for the money is a no-go. He could get a fucking job then.

2013-07-03 11:03

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Playing games at high level for the money is a no-go. Well why on earth would you invest so incredibly much of your spare time, to not gain any profit from it? Thats, just being plain stupid..

2013-07-03 11:41

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Why on earth would you invest so incredible much of your spare time on something you don't like, but just there for the money? Thats, just being plain stupid..

2013-07-03 12:28

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You just described almost every grown's man life.

2013-07-03 13:15

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Not when it comes to video games. Why would you play a _GAME_ when you don't like gaming, just to "earn money" ? Why not just get a JOB? I am more than 100 sure that every topgamer have some sort of love to video games and are earning money at the same time. I am not saying that they would still be here regardless of the money, I am saying those who don't like video games simply don't exist in the gaming world. Give me one example of a guy that doesn't like gaming and are here to earn money.. Like a bank man suddenly playing for fnatic or something stupid like that.

2013-07-03 13:26

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why would u work at a job that u dont enjoy just to earn money?? Its called having to pay the fucking bills...at least hes playing a video game and not doing manual labor or digging ditches or some meaningless "real" job to earn money. Your argument is weak, just stop replying...

2013-07-03 13:30

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Working at a job to earn money, regardless of liking it or not; It's a JOB. Playing video games and spenting hours on them with no gurantee whatsoever that you are able to gain money to "pay bills" is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. My argument stands, there is no such person that is playing games to pay bills unless it's a guy streaming or something like that. None of the pro gamers does. You do realise that most pro games also have jobs besides their gaming career? Even though they live in gaming houses. YOUR argument is weak. e-Sports is like a SPORT. You don't see players playing fucking football because they have to pay bills when they don't like kicking a ball. That's just plain stupid argument I don't even wanna participate in this discussion anymore.

2013-07-03 13:38

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They think that in eSports beside LoL/SC/Dota (maybe) , you earn enough money like a normal job. If there is anyone out there, who are thinking on investing on GAMING , to earn some money ONLY, its completely stupid. This is a GAME = FUN, if you want money go get some real JOB!

2013-07-03 14:49

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Exactly.. they don't understand that. Even LoL players go to school and have jobs besides gaming. But most of all, they don't do gaming because they want MONEY and MONEY only, but also because they love the game and that they have fought their way up to competitive level.

2013-07-03 14:58

multiple million dollar tournaments = support from developers. where are the cs:go tournaments hosted by valve?

2013-07-03 11:00

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Why would they? It's clearly that Valve doesn't see the game big enough for anything. It's clear the game is built casually, but they acted like they care about the pro scene because they thought it was a cheap shot to get us all along. Somehow it works, but not eveyone have fully accepted the game as it is. There was tons of tournaments, including 1 million dollars too for DotA 2... That is because the game is big enough and lots of work put into it.. CS:GO on the other hand aren't the same and will not be. Point is I think people expecting 1 million dollars tournaments for a game like CS:GO is imo abit silly. CS 1.6 didn't need a 1 million dollar tournament to survive that long, easy because the game was good compared to this.

2013-07-03 11:08

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i'm very aware, i feel like i've said a number of times i don't expect valve to ever do anything for cs:go, and no one else should either. i was simply countering kasch's point.

2013-07-03 11:11

to be honest Valve is doing the right thing trying to get more casual gamers involved. how else would you increase player numbers? There is no e-sport without a solid basis of casual gamers.

2013-07-03 11:30

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lol, csgo casual.. there are about 200 casual players atm, they are doing sooooo good

2013-07-03 12:24

That is because you are quite misunderstanding the difference between casual and competitive. Competitive games can also be fun casually, we can take past CS titles an example - 1.6. CS:GO is just more of arcadish in comparison to being more based on mature action. Just listen to the new sounds they have implemented... Going from what could be more realistic based radio commands sounds that suits the game, to some random pirate screaming easy peasy lemon squesy. Not that it's a big deal or anything, but that just shows you which theme this game is based on.

2013-07-03 13:39

money makes everything better huh? activision is pumping a lot of money in their game for advertising purpose only. where is their support for competitive gamers beside that? in which way do they try to increase the competitive game quality of call of duty? that's what he said about valve, they aren't listening enough but activision is? don't make me laugh. so basically if valve would host some more tournaments everything would be ok for DaZeD.

2013-07-03 11:09

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there's many kinds of support, and valve isn't providing any of it. they aren't making the changes gamers have been begging for months (e.g. silencer, movement) and they aren't supporting the game financially (cod, lol, dota, even sc2). in today's market it's next to impossible for a video game to strive without financial backing from the publisher - which valve isn't giving for cs:go.

2013-07-03 11:12

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they aren't making the changes gamers have been begging for years FTFY

2013-07-03 11:16

yes, that's true. but joining a shitty production for money only is the wrong way to go and sets a wrong signal.

2013-07-03 11:18

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You expect him to set up an example? I doubt anybody cares, it's not going to change anything so may as well move to somewhere you can actually profit. Charity is done.

2013-07-03 11:40

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you are right, too much to expect really.

2013-07-03 11:56

you can question the ethics all you want, but out in the real world this would be considered a good move. poker players would probably say the expected value of this decision is higher than that of playing cs:go.

2013-07-03 12:06

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agree, he wasnt going to win anything important internationally maybe vs some kids with a pad he has a chance.

2013-07-03 14:52

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...and if he won one of those $1 million dollar first place tournaments, that $250k (1/4th of it) would be equal to (salary excluded) playing like nip has played for the last year for +10 years with current prize pools in cs:go.

2013-07-03 14:54

hah, I see you hang around poker circles :D For what you mean, it is called positive or negative EV (Expected Value)

2013-07-03 17:03

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i know (re: positive/negative ev) but it's too early to say if the EV in playing cod on xbox is positive either -- it's possible he might never win, and it'd be a waste of time. however, i think the EV probably is better in cod @ mlg than cs:go, moneywise. tl;dr: don't read: point stands.

2013-07-03 17:07

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I agree man, Valve doesn't seem to like CS at all...

2013-07-03 17:16

Thank you! isnt there anyone out there who can influence valve to at least come up with some better patches for this game? I think that this game would at least die twice as fast on the scene as 1.6 did, if valve dosnt pull their finger out their a**, and try to listen some more. In the alpha and beta stages of the game, they redefined it, from the pro players point of view, but suddenly they feel "confident" about the game, and they dont wanna do anymore that satisfies the higher level players. It dosnt make any sense, that they wouldent wanna make the game better for pro and high level players as well. Because good and radical movements, is one of the things that made comp. Cs fun to begin with, together with other features ofc. (sry for incorrect spelling)

2013-07-03 12:17

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speculation: i think their company structure is too bureaucratic (everyone in valve is on an equal level - i assume that means they make decisions in groups instead of letting someone call the shots) to make necessary choices, e.g. starting to listen to players, make the game free-to-play, etc. facts: valve's reps didn't seem interested in talking to anyone in new york. i tried to talk to them (i was actually very positive about cs:go back then) and tried to gain direct contact to someone, but they said i should just go through the forum. the pro forum was of course ignored by valve for months until my "interview" on pcgamer made valve wake up; i guess it was bad pr and they needed to reply. they were active for a few weeks (mostly ignoring advice though, stating their public stats/heat maps as proof against our ideas) and then disappeared forever. chet from valve also contacted me then after some angry tweets and he offered to host some private pros-only-games where they could see how the game looks (this was in april 2012 when the game wasn't out and there were no tournaments to watch). i told him i could be a part of that since i wanted to help. i have never heard back from him since this april 2nd 2012 e-mail: "Tomi, Thanks for the emails. This is all happening at a bit of an odd time – I have actually been on vacation this past week and don’t get back to the office until this coming Saturday. I reached out to a few other people and am going to try and at least get a chat going to discuss the next steps as soon as I get back. I’ll let you know when.. I am offline for a few days but will get back in touch soon. Thanks, Chet" he obviously never got back to me after that. i also emailed him in july 2012 on hltv.org's business and he ignored my e-mail. i don't think valve has even pretended to listen to players anymore in a long time(?). that's all i know - you figure it out. volcano has told me similar stories with him trying/wanting to help, but valve didn't seem interested in his services either (even though he once visited the hq in seattle).

2013-07-03 12:36

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i dont even get y they invited us to seattle in 2011 - we told them so many things and they`ve added none they give a shit about the game and it was made for xbox/ps3 anyways and then transferred to pc - s1ck job

2013-07-03 13:20

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yeah angeldust told me it was far too early for it to be of any help, and that there were too many people for them to come into agreements about most things. it was just a pr ploy - who would have thought? ;]

2013-07-03 13:26

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at least we all had a free trip to the states + some nice days there xD

2013-07-03 13:27

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indeed, seahawks game sounds really fun (although it's bad luck it was pre-russell wilson) and seattle is great as a city.

2013-07-03 13:46

Pretty sad story. I tried beta and it sucked hard but still i bought a game for myself and 4 friends of mine cuz i believed valve gonna update it and fix some issues. But time passed by and they did so little. A lot of people lost hope and gave up on csgo so would i. And even more. From now on i would never buy steam game.

2013-07-03 13:21

Maybe you should try again, invite one of them to POD show, tell them more pro players are going to be invited.

2013-07-03 14:07

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we tried to do an interview (text at that, so they could reply at any point that works for them) with them earlier this year with hltv.org and after sending in questions (they had agreed to answering it) they just said they can only answer some of them and never replied. tl;dr: there is no way they would ever come on [pod]cast. they don't care.

2013-07-03 14:09

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At this point I think its in their heads, they failed to understand the concept behind counter-strike, They only took the basic concept like(CT-T bomb defuse hostages) when they created css, and failed to understand the movement the recoil the maps, and everything else that made cs so enjoyable.

2013-07-03 14:30

Thanks for the reply. It seems like valve dosnt have interests in the HLTV forum, or any other forums, thats actually have some good suggestions to the game. It makes me happy that people like u and Sal is willing to put work and time into this game together with valve, and i see it almost as senseless descision to ignore feedback and ideas from people like u and Sal, who has been in the game for longer than i can remember. Iknow its ballsy(or something like that). But it would be nice if we can put them under some more pr preassure, so they finally can open their eyes to what CS:GO needs, if its gonna be as succesfull as 1.6 and CSS was in their comp days. I love Counter Strike, but valve needs to do something about this game. As you pointed out in your latest podcast, this game dosnt seem to favour the more strategic, and better thinking side, in comp matches. It favours the best aimers basicly. And thats not why alot started to play comp. Cs to begin with. We started playing this at a higher level, when we figured out that theres alot of ways to manipulate your opponent in a 5v5, and in this game, its STILL all about outaiming. Not escaping with sick movement control, or having a unique strat, or even being a good descision maker. Its aimers like ScreaM and ect. who takes the headlines, because they are the best AIMERS out there. And imo. thats not at least ALWAYS whats cs is about.

2013-07-03 14:55

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i agree, i was drawn into cs when i was playing with my friends and i figured out we could simply prepare more as a team, have real strategies etc. and therefore beat players who were better than us. i guess no longer much of an option, not in the same fashion anyway?

2013-07-03 15:00

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yea ! no bs for Gtr or Forp, but the reason why NiP is the best team in the world is because their teamplay in defence is pinpoint when it comes to timing and aim. And the best CS:GO strat team there is imo. Comes from either WW or VP, and a little bit Na´vi. They are teams who still focus alot on strats, and dosnt put their aim in front of their brains. A nerfed smoke would already give alot more tactics to work with. think about it, 1 smoke from a defender on b site, and it halts a whole teams strat? where is the logic. I love that smokes actually does their job, and blocks vision. But not to the point where it simply DOMINATES a round. And a silencer, would be so cool, not only for sound manipulations, but also for aiming MAYBE. And yea sounds, are COMPLETELY broken in this game. Its a joke that u cant hear where the bomb is planted on Nuke fx.

2013-07-03 15:07

wow, agreed

2013-07-03 18:24

@Lurppis if you still have access take some screen shots to show everyone how inactive they are?

2013-07-03 17:33

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no posts in 60 days (none in the past 100 either): i.imgur.com/ut2vcvk.png if you care more, here are the posts during the last year: i.imgur.com/WdPuelc.png

2013-07-03 18:11

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Haha why are people playing this shit? It would be much better if we just moved back to 1.6 imo... We would get more viewers on the streams and its much more enjoyable to play anyway Fuck csgo and the retarded devs... making changing to the aug and sig instead of the glock and actual recoil of all the guns?? This game will go down in history as the worst Counter strike ever made.

2013-07-03 18:58

Sad. I've a question for you lurppis. Do you think CSGO will die shortly? What will it take to live longer? What can we do

2013-07-03 17:37

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it depends on the tournament organizers. if they're ok putting in money into cs:go with the numbers they're getting, it won't die. if they aren't ok with it, they will drop cs:go. more viewers = more money = life for the game. if cs:go was to become free-to-play (preferably only after valve made some changes so the new players would see it has improved), it would become more popular, which would likely result in more viewers as well. all you can really do as an individual is to watch the official streams.

2013-07-03 18:13

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yeah i mean it's not getting amazing numbers, but it is decent considering 30k viewers, was it last tournament? which is more than most games. I dont want cs to die, valve should be ashamed of themselves if they let that happen.

2013-07-03 18:15

I dont like valve nor how they handle csgo. No disrespect to your opinion yet lets think of this as investors in valve. The game couldn't reach 1.6 viewers/players. While CoD is selling massive on consoles.

2013-07-03 22:54

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it could, if valve weren't idiots. if they hired sal to a full time position and gave him a few coders and some marketing dough to work with (and power to make decisions). i really do believe that. in fact, maybe i'll write about it in a few weeks.

2013-07-04 07:03

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Lets hope you do! really want to hear your full opinion about this matter.

2013-07-04 20:33

do it lurppis, do it. let us kick VALVE straight in the ass. i cant believe they let this happen. how can they drop the name Counter-Strike. the best and most successful FPS ever created

2013-07-11 22:56

2013-07-03 14:04

Regardless of whether you like the game itself or not, CoD has been supported by the developers in terms of making it a competitive title for many years. They have hosted tournaments, have constant important updates etc. It makes complete sense, he wants to play a game which is supported, has money available, and has a future, that's exactly what CoD on XBOX is, and with the new consoles coming out it's only going to get better. Valve and CSGO have a huge way to go, and in my opinion have already lost most of the support they could have had. It will always be the most popular FPS title on PC, simply due to the community, but it's obvious that Valve have no intention of supporting it other than casual updates that proving nothing for the competitive scene.

2013-07-03 11:04

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CoD is a competitive title my ass, the quality is awful. but i agree on the part about valve.

2013-07-03 11:12

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How is it not? BO2 has had 4 tournaments with over a million dollars in prize money, the streams had 5 times the viewers of Raidcall finals, they have more major sponsors. Just because you don't like the game, doesn't mean it's not a competitive title. People compete, and make more money playing CoD on XBOX than they do playing CSGO on PC.

2013-07-03 11:41

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talking about the 'competitive quality'. the amount people watching/playing it won't change it.

2013-07-03 11:54

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What does that mean? Huge amounts of people play the game, loads of people watch the streams, there is huge prize money involved, a large competitive scene. Where is this "competitive quality"? As I said, just because you don't like the game, doesn't mean others don't like it, and doesn't mean it isn't already a more successful eSports title than CSGO.

2013-07-03 11:57

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just saying the gameplay is a joke and it's an insult to any other competitive game out there. and i never denied the state of call of duty, you are right in terms of pure numbers it's a more successful title than cs.

2013-07-03 12:06

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The thing I cant work out with COD franchise though is how does it have such a strong community when the game is clearly substandard with regards to eSport quality & they troll their supporters by releasing a new game every year, forcing their community to pay out every time or fall behind? Yet F2P FPS or CSGO that's what, like a fiver to buy & have nothing else to pay for.. not even touched? Confusing what the public actually wants...

2013-07-03 12:12

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New titles each year (and the map pack updates which cost a ridiculous amount) are a strange idea to me, but I can see why it works. It prevents any stagnation, and gives chance for new players to pick up a game and actually have a chance at being good at it. Where as with PC titles, if you miss the first year or so of a competitive title you are going to really struggle unless you are genuinely talented.

2013-07-03 12:19

cod franchise is purely aimed at the mainstream and most people in our society are lemmings, don't look left don't look right. cod franchise has a lot of advertising and people follow it blindly and won't even feel trolled every year because the typical casual simply doesn't care enough.

2013-07-03 12:29

I don't particularly like the gameplay either, but it's clearly the leader in terms of eSports FPS. As a player who grew up playing QW, Q3 then onto CS that saddens me. Fact is Valve don't want to support the game, there are a few things the competitive scene wants which would change the way we view the game and increase player count. These aren't big, time consuming changes, add a silencer, balance the pistols, increase the ability to control movement, update matchmaking to have _se maps and 128 tick and we have a very happy community. In reality what would that take a company like Valve to do? Give their team a week and they could do all of that, but they don't want to.

2013-07-03 12:17

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I agree. It would take them 2 second to fix half of the things that has been asked of them, though I personally still don't understand the need for this silencer for the M4 other than to please the old 1.6 fanboys for cosmetic reasons, I couldn't see it changing the way the game plays out too much but still, a minor change that would make a LOT of people happy nonetheless. Simple changes that once performed, the community itself would be able enough to push the game forward again.

2013-07-03 12:22

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Well that's it, personally I don't miss the silencer that much, but adding such a simple thing (I mean honestly, a 3d modeller and a coder could probably add it in an hour) would show the community they are at least listening. Right now the community and tournament organisers are dragging CSGO along, I can see with the natural death of teams that many players will just decide to quit instead of joining another team. Something we're already starting to see.

2013-07-03 12:32

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I completely agree but that then takes me back to another comment I have made on this thread... What alternative is there? Being an FPS player, I couldn't switch to LoL, DotA 2 or SC2 leaving me what? BF3 is not strong enough for esports spectatorship I dont feel, COD is second class dribble & that leaves what? All I can hope is that the next generation of games brings some revival of the FPS genre otherwise FPS is a dead competitive choice.. Fingers crossed for Titanfall, BF4 etc ;o

2013-07-03 12:41

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I'm afraid it's not going to happen, with the new consoles coming out I think FPS titles are eventually completely going to move to consoles. I've started playing both DotA and LoL and really enjoy the streams, huge communities, great tournaments, great teams and personalities. Something that the FPS scene used to have, now I'm afraid we're just a very small part of the eSports scene. I think if there ever was a CS2, if it absolutely perfect and had huge support from Valve in terms of prizemoney events, then we could see a resurgence.

2013-07-03 12:44

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2013-07-03 10:54

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hahaha

2013-07-03 10:57

HLTV.ORG Makes my day posting news about CS:GO death. key moment in my life - NO CS:GO @ WCG 2013. Valve dont support CS:GO as many players wanted. YES IM STARTING TO FEEL THE SMELL OF DEATH OF A GAME. But I will be happy when it dies. Very happy

2013-07-03 10:59

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Being happy at other people's sadness is really low...

2013-07-03 11:03

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W8 w8 schypher lemme find my hash pipe Ill be on your high level too. soon

2013-07-03 11:07

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I got these cheeseburgers man...

2013-07-03 11:08

tell that 2 valve :D

2013-07-03 11:14

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I was happy, finally those "we need to move to the game with better graphics" comments stopped. Less idiots in the server.

2013-07-03 11:15

You do realize there will be basically no other competitive FPS game to watch, right? Unless you want to start watching CoD, lol.

2013-07-03 15:49

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I realized that there is no competitite FPS game to watch after CS 1.6 died. I dont watch CS:GO cause it is ugly and I hope it dies soon

2013-07-03 16:34

You're a loser, lol. 1.) Deriving happiness from other people's failures and crushed hopes. 2.) Hanging around hltv.org when hltv.org only posts cs:go related news. Loser level: Over 9000.

2013-07-03 17:00

Cs was only good for euros..not for the Asians or Americans

2013-07-03 11:02

Perhaps he has come to realize that as things stand, CS is a dead game? Until Valve actually step up & starting delivering the promises they made, GO is going nowhere. To top it off, the CS scene in america is beyond pointless. Things need to change or others will join. Sure COD is a terrible second class game to play, specially on console.. BUT if people are willing to hold competitions on XBOX for $1mill, why fucking not try? Whats worse, playing a game full time that you dont enjoy to try & win a tourny for 30k or playing a game that you dont enjoy to try & win a tourny for 1million? Damned if he does, damned if he dont... The majority of the CS community is too fickle & childish to contemplate this ;| I love CS, have played since 1.3 but as much as CSGO looks like cs & the nostalgia for me keeps me playing, its not hard to tell its never going to get anywhere atm.

2013-07-03 11:03

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+1 I've been playing since the early beta's, I love the idea behind CS. I find myself playing CSGO a lot due to having friends who I have played with for years playing it, and the fact that there are slight hints of the title we used to love. If I was alone, just playing matchmaking, I wouldn't carry on. Valve have missed the boat supporting this game, unless there is a huge update fixing all the major problems, giving the community what it wants and making it F2P, then it won't get any bigger.

2013-07-03 11:07

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Oh, but what about the 50k viewers at Starladder, CS:GO is growing!

2013-07-03 11:09

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What about it? As a FPS supporter since I started with Quakeworld, I think we can both understand that a large majority of the viewers were waiting for DotA2. It isn't growing, apart from the odd CoD player I've not met anyone in matchmaking, on publics that actually just decided to buy the game and play without knowledge of CS.

2013-07-03 11:17

50k viewers is nice but not enough. So what if you can get 50k viewers watching, they need to start playing to a level which pushes the game forward too & thats not going to happen anytime soon.. there are not enough tournaments available that are easy access to anyone outside of the top teams & are offering (however nice) �35k prize winnings but are nowhere near the $1m cap on COD. Until changes are made & things are pushed, it will all eventually lead to nothing. More & more people will quit within time & it'll become a casual game with no future kept going by a community filled with nostalgia :(

2013-07-03 11:20

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You mean CSGO will be like 1.6 is right now. Why not? Thats what 1.6ers want, let them have it.

2013-07-03 13:31

I honestly feel the biggest problem for the CS community is this.. The reason the CS community can't let go of CS & agree it is a dead game until valve or someone takes note & pushes for the changes, is because without CS what does this community have as an FPS game worthy of eSports? We have ZERO - NO other option to play unless we completely change style of game & move to LoL, SC2 & DotA 2 or worse still, go play COD :| Back in the day there was CS 1.6, Quake, Unreal Tournament.. now there IS NO alternative! sad times...

2013-07-03 11:15

I hope more pro players will do this, maybe then valve will actually wake up although I love cs so much, I whould rather see it dead than in it's curent state

2013-07-03 11:21

CS will never die! More and more people will switch to GO, even though a lot 1.6 players hate this game. Only the GO is now a competitive game, thats the reason why it wont die at all. HEJTRS GONNA HEJT

2013-07-03 11:27

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arty, I honestly wish you was right but why would 1.6 people switch to GO? The competitive level is not that strong outside of the top teams.. leaving 99% of players playing for fun.. well if your going to play cs for fun, why not play 1.6? At least that game was perfect & fun while GO is far from it... I'm not a hater, I'm a CS fanboy being a realist ;|

2013-07-03 11:30

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I agree completely!

2013-07-03 11:43

"well if your going to play cs for fun, why not play 1.6?" ^exactly what I've been doing lately with IRL friends.

2013-07-03 15:51

Ive given up on CS, havent touched it in a few weeks and dont plan on going back. Played it since mid 2001, all the different versions.. time to move on. gee to the gee. Planetside2 is a good distraction so far

2013-07-03 11:29

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planetside 2 is so bad, oh my ... (I have tried it) BF3 much, much better game but everyone likes something different CS:GO is not that good as everyone expected. COD on console? aim with gamepad? WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?

2013-07-03 11:35

oh look, [GB] Spike! for new kids: he went to prison maybe 8 years ago for paying little kids to strip on webcam :D

2013-07-03 12:09

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Thats all behind me now. Ive seen the error of my ways!

2013-07-03 13:22

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oddly enough i can respect this answer. hopefully that is true.

2013-07-04 08:14

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Obviously not the real spike but that whole GBjames expose thread of spike on gotfrag was epic.

2013-07-08 05:58

GO is bullshit and counter strike will never reach the pinnacle that it was with 1.6. Dazed has accepted that and moved on. Valve isn't going to suddenly change overnight. It is obvious from their actions that they are ignoring the advice given to them from the pro community. I myself fucking hate GO with a passion, but 1.6 and source are dead competitively so the next "best" thing for me to play is GO. If only Valve would fix the top 3 or 4 things on everyone's priority list, it would go such a long ways. But they just don't give a fuck for whatever reason. Fuck this game and fuck the developers. Time to bury CS.

2013-07-03 11:50

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Something tells me you don't hate it so much. You know what I hate? Tibia. Know how many hours I played Tibia in my life? Maybe 3 or 4, ten years ago, then I never touched it again.

2013-07-03 13:36

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Tibia was awesome game years ago but devs completly destroyed it.

2013-07-09 16:57

Going to CoD with gamepad? He will suffer

2013-07-03 11:53

stopped reading when i saw "Xbox"

2013-07-03 11:57

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same :D

2013-07-03 12:31

Thats shitty...But he's right with the part of valve not giving a single fuck about their game

2013-07-03 12:00

what the fuck is the world coming to.. xbox?? COD. on. the. fucking. XBOX??!!?!?! i can't wrap my head around it

2013-07-03 12:05

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No one plays CoD on PC so console CoD is the only choice he has. There are no tournaments for PC CoD at all, not in this league. Look at the steam stats, CSGO, CSS, CS1.6 all have around 30-35K players each on peak times adding up to almost 100K concurrent CS players. BLOPS2 peaks at only 20K and it's the most played CoD version at the moment. MW3, MW2, MW have even less players.

2013-07-03 21:41

besides, cant you not buy an adapter for xbox that allows you to plug in a mouse & keyboard lol? Or would this be considered "having an advantage" and been banned from xbox tournaments? ;o

2013-07-03 12:06

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In battlefield 3 tournaments on xbox this adapter was considered as cheat.

2013-07-03 12:18

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Just goes to show the superiority of a PC Gamer vs. Console hero's :) Microsoft being a PC original, why don't they put as much time & effort into holding separate PC/Xbox tournaments with the same titles? :o

2013-07-03 12:30

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Because console is where the money is.

2013-07-03 13:39

Because BLOPS2 for the PC has only 20000 players on peak times (EU evenings) and only 5000 players on NA evenings. That's LESS players than either of the three CS games. MS sponsoring a BLOPS2 tournament for Xbox is basically them paying for advertisement. BF3 for the PC peaks at 50K players currently and CS+CSS+CSGO put together is almost double that. CS is STILL the most played shooter franchise on the PC. gamestat.co.uk/?key=51d482273e9bb

2013-07-03 21:58

In america the tournaments for console gaming are getting bigger and bigger ... And after microsoft organised that 1 Million dollar tournament for black ops ... Well, there will a lot more where that came from ! XBOX/COD have a huge market in the USA, why not stimulate that with organising huge tournaments ... so there will be more players who will buy the game and console. Easy as that ! As for CS:GO. I'll give it till the end of 2014.

2013-07-03 12:21

Dazed and Confused

2013-07-03 12:23

understandable move, but playing fps games on xbox is just retarded

2013-07-03 12:30

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amen

2013-07-03 12:32

There goes my interest in him, hf in your adventure!

2013-07-03 12:34

How someone can play fps game with few fucking fingers ????????????????

2013-07-03 12:49

I would never buy something in steam.

2013-07-03 12:50

join Curse GOGO!

2013-07-03 12:59

2013-07-03 13:16

omg what a loss. sarcasm.

2013-07-03 13:17

Will you come back to play Counter-Strike soon? It seems you will be playing casually, but what made you want to leave the competitive side? DAZED :::::::::: As I said, I’ll evaluate what I’m going to do after my break. The reason though for me taking a break and moving on and trying out console is two reasons, the first being that Valve and the developers of CSGO refuse to support their game, and without their support the game is going to slowly dwindle or stagnant and never really grow. The other reason is that the current state of the NA scene is basically us getting on at 5PST, waiting for a scrim until about 6PST, realize there is nobody to play, then play some PUG, after that we play an IM team or something and call it a night. To me that is very boring and it is not enjoyable enough for me to play right now. news.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=comment..

2013-07-03 13:19

He will found out that COD is so boring and after Valve make few moves go back to CS:GO...

2013-07-03 13:24

the problem is that theres 3 different versions of the same game which is splitting the community up... if you add the 1.6/source/go players together its actually a very large and striving community

2013-07-03 13:30

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+1. its the cs communities' fault as much as it is valves. Too many people are against any change at all and weigh their own community down. Positive attitudes are needed. Take this thread/article as an example. One player no one really gives a fuck about leaves cs and everyone is ranting about how horrible CSGO is and how it's never going to succeed, how shit valve is, how we should all give up on cs as an Esport, blah blah blah. How the fuck is it going to do blossom into what we all want it to, if its own fucking community has this mindset towards it? The players are most of the problem.

2013-07-03 13:45

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your logic fails there though - every game has lots of players who are just like that. other games just have more players who aren't. if cs:go attracted more players who enjoy the game, the problem wouldn't exist. you can't blame players/fans for not liking a product.

2013-07-03 13:49

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So you mean CSGO is actually a worse game than 1.6 and thats whats keeping people from playing it?

2013-07-03 13:55

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i think cs:go is nothing compared to 1.6 as a game, and that is why i personally don't play it. i could venture a guess some others feel the same way.

2013-07-03 14:07

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but, when u would play it? when its like cs 1.6?

2013-07-03 14:10

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i wouldn't play it anymore regardless. if there were 1.6 tournaments i would try to go to 1-2 a year for fun (e.g. asus winter in december with the old winfakt team) but i wouldn't play competitive anymore. i don't think it would have to be exactly like 1.6, it would just have to feel better, more controlled, etc. in 1.6 i feel like i can control everything per pixel - every movement, aiming, recoil etc. if i miss a shot, i instantly know how much i was off and what i did wrong. in cs:go, despite watching games for about nine months now, i'm still clueless. a lot of things simply feel random, and i know a lot of players agree, especially regarding m4a4/ak47 recoil.

2013-07-03 14:13

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i agree they have something to do with recoils, but yea

2013-07-03 14:18

That's the biggest issue for me personally. The recoil is random as fuck. Sure it is different from 1.6 and I have to relearn it, that is fine.. but how can I relearn it when the recoil acts random/different every time I try? I have been in numerous scenarios of the exact same thing, for example: Holding short stairs & get rushed by a solo T. One round first 2 bullets, HS kill and move on.. Another round, exact same positioning & scenario, whole clip unloaded at a distance that I should have no doubt of losing & I get shot down. Damage then comes up that I hit 12 damage in 1 shot... It happens far far too often & sure, i'm not "pro" but I am good enough to know when a kill should be a kill & when the recoil/bullets are doing there own thing! I get constant 300fps, I ping @ 5 on most servers & my aim is good enough to be steady this game confuses the fucking pants out of me -_-

2013-07-03 14:26

I wonder what exacty makes it a worse game, seriously. I mean, it sure makes a lot difference for pro players and people who just know more about the game (and I mean "difference" in both ways, I like almost everything that came with CSGO, and I dont plan on going back to 1.6, and I'm sure that theres some people out there that think like me), but to casuals (most people who dont know what is pre shooting, for example) the game is pretty much the same, if not better. Would be nice to know how many people on Steam that has 1.6 actually bought GO (to know how many actually played it would be better, but thats impossible to guess). In my country, from what I have seen, I would bet without worrying too much about it that not many. Just like it happened with Source, a lot of people here ditched GO even before it came out. What the hell, if you watch a brazillian stream theres always people asking "which game is this?" (and theres always a so kind 1.6er there to say "Its the new CS, CSGO, and its shit, dont bother with it! Don't be a sellout like cogu!"). I wonder too if the sudden raise of CSGO players after the free weekend is something relevant to this discussion of "game quality vs community bias". What do you think?

2013-07-03 14:23

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i feel like if i start listing things people will just consider it flaming. here are a couple of things off the top of my head: recoil, movement, netcode (peekers advantage is horrendous), no spamming, flashes, smokes, awp, glock is op, p250 is too cheap, too many weapons to make competitive play more random (e.g. shotguns), maps are terrible... do i need to go on? :D

2013-07-03 14:44

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Funny that most things you actually think it makes it a worse game, I think it makes it better. You're right that people would think its flaming, because everything you say is just different from 1.6, not necessaraly worse. So, there you go, the convention of the community is: if its different from what I've been playing for the past ten years, then yeah, its worse. Almost no one who criticizes GO cares if the old smoke was pretty much just an annoyance, or if the AWP was just too overpowered, or that the deagle was just ridiculously powerful, or if every weapon that wasnt AK/M4/AWP/DEAGLE was useless. The community grew attached to a quirky game, full of terrible stuff gameplay wise, that had no competition when it was launched, and they'll never let go. To me the message is pretty clear: 1.6ers dont want a better game, they want the same thing for more 10 years. This has nothing to do with "quality" whatever that is, its about not changing things, and thats terrible. Dota, for example, works because the dev changes stuff all the time, in order to improve the game. He doesn't just "listens to the community", seriously, very few people on the community know what they want, what to say about what how many know what actually is good for the game. IceFrog even gets to the point of changing completely a hero, and theres a lot of complaining when he does that, but people actually get on with it, they eventually understand that its a change for the good, they get that the mechanics that were changed actually made the game worse, or just didn't work at all (or maybe they just don't care :D). I know you'll tell me thats not the case with the things you said are wrong about CSGO, and you have at least 34k players opinions to back you right now (they're playing CS1.6 right now), but I wonder if all those 34k players are there because they really agree with you or because they just don't know how good different things can be.

2013-07-03 15:14

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Man, CS:GO is fucking boring and random. The game itself is way more boring. An eSports game needs to give players the opportunity to express themselves, CS:GO doesn't. The game was developed with a heavy focus on casuals and you wanna sit here and tell people that it makes the game better? It has nothing to do with "1.6 players don't want change" ... the game just sucks. Point. I play NS2 a lot atm. It is ..well... 100000000 times different from 1.6. And? It's still a very FUN and COMPETITIVE game, compared to CS:GO. Maybe 1.6 players are stubborn, but at least they don't lower their bar for a worse game. As different as CS:GO is from 1.6: it is boring as fuck. A boring eSports game will never grow big. Seen with source, gonna see it with CS:GO. I honestly thought GO would live a bit longer .... but everything indicates it will pretty much die in the next 1-2 years, this one included. The best part: 1. the game got developed with a focus on casuals 2. Community and Leagues make it the next competitive FPS, not Valve 3. Nearly a year later, after clear signs how much this game sucks, people complain about a lack of support from Valve, while they've never planned anything anyway in that aspect 4. fuck logic.

2013-07-03 15:37

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You illustrate perfectly my point. You are comparing the difference between CSGO and 1.6 to the difference between Counter Strike and Natural Selection. They're completely different games! By the way, there is a lot of criticism upon NS players on the changes of NS2, and NS2 isn't doing so well also (not that NS is), that just shows how biased the CS1.6 player is. CSGO and CS1.6 are almost the same game, with a few mechanics differences. One can't just go from "omg watching this is awesome" to "man thats crap, who watches this" with so little change, at least not in the "watchability" side of it. The changes are noticeable only in high level play, and most of the time only when YOU are playing. You want proof that the games are almost identical (even Source)? They have almost the same playerbase, in numbers, if one of them was so much better we should see a big difference here, right?

2013-07-03 15:53

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See, no offense, but you'd say anything to defend CS:GO. Numbers? Honestly? You know that 1.6 had about the DOUBLE amount of players, right? The numbers are only so low since the patch eary this year, when the game was kinda unplayable and MANY switched to non-steam. Before the big patch: 1.6: 60k GO: 25k ( its about 35k? sinnce then..) Yeah...same numbers in players. Man, you are just putting the stuff in the way you want it, without actually having facts. Saying GO is almost the same as 1.6 just shows how little u know about both games. And if these differences really don't matter that much to you, you are just a casual gamer that simply doesn't care about them. easy.

2013-07-03 16:02

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Nope, I said FACTS. Check it out the numbers right now: store.steampowered.com/stats/ Also, I didn't said that they're the same game, nor that the difference didn't make a difference in how you play it, but I did said that from a viewers perspective they are pretty much the same thing. You see the same strats, the same guns, the same camping spots, etc (of course there's a little change here and there, but overall is pretty much the same thing). What makes a difference for you is that you are highly biased towards 1.6, you get nostalgic feelings from it, and you hate CSGO, so one will feel better to watch than the other, but it has nothing to do with game quality.

2013-07-03 16:29

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Pathetic. You still fail to realize 1.6 had DOUBLE amount of players and still has, if not more. A LOT of people switched to non-steam after the patch broke the game or stopped playing CS in general. Putting out fancy steam numbers without knowing the reasons WHY they are what they are is really pathetic. steamgraph.net/index.php?action=graph&js.. You wanna talk about numbers? Know the facts.

2013-07-03 16:34

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Lol, you can't even interpret data. How many of those CSGO players are included in the 1.6 graphic and vice versa? You know that people can have both, right? I mean, right? Look at the current players and the day peak, now thats much more reliable.

2013-07-03 16:48

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You do realize the graph shows the daily peak for that time-frame, right? It's the daily steam stats just in a graph. Stupidity level over 9000. Man..honestly..u cant be THAT stupid...

2013-07-03 16:53

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Let me say again: checkout the peak and the current, now thats much more reliable.

2013-07-03 16:55

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wow, you really don't get it.

2013-07-03 16:55

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I'll say it again, with more details: A lot of people who have CSGO have CS1.6 too, and vice versa. You can contribute to the peak of both, you can't though log on on both simultaneously. Now check it through the day, and see what I mean. And btw, even looking only at the daily peak, since April the gap is closing to the point its pratically the same thing, within the last month the biggest difference on peak was of no more than 5k players, and most of the time they're pratically on the same level. Seriously, I don't even know why am I'm saying this, you just have to look at the graphs you just post.

2013-07-03 17:11

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definitive prove you don't get it.

2013-07-03 17:12

if you're just going to discount all of my opinions then there's no point in continuing. everyone who likes cs:go claims 1.6 players don't want change, but there are good and bad changes. in my opinion, as well as a lot of other people, most of the changes made in cs:go were implemented to please the noobs running around in matchmaking with zero emphasis on the competitive side of things. that's the true problem.

2013-07-03 15:48

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I'm not discouting your opinions, I'm just showing that all this "quality" claim is biased as it can be.

2013-07-03 15:54

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hardly. random recoil makes results random. peeker's advantage is unnatural and favors people peeking even as CTs, not holding spots - completely different to 1.6, to real life, and to common sense. if you understand 1.6, you know how much spamming added to it - a whole new level. smokes allow you to win rounds in 1v3 defuses constantly (they're too big), planting noise ruins 1vX clutches, and guns that are too cheap basically make the game more random, because the economy plays a smaller factor. how do you counter these then? :)

2013-07-03 16:00

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CSGO and CS1.6 are almost the same game Quote from him. No need to argue with such guys, they clearly don't know the tiniest shit about CS.

2013-07-03 16:03

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yeah... i really don't mean this as a diss towards dkf, but if you think they're almost the same game, it tells me you hadn't played cs 1.6 enough or at a high enough level (at least competitively in your own country) to truly understand the game, if you think they're "almost the same".

2013-07-03 16:12

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Lol, they're almost the same game. I said it because its true. A difference in how grenades bounce and guns recoil doesn't change the game enough for you to say they're like Counter Strike (any version) and Natural Selection.

2013-07-03 16:24

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the only thing that's similar about cs 1.6 and cs:go is the name, the layout of the maps, the names of the guns and most of the equipment used. otherwise the games are totally different.

2013-07-03 16:27

Ok, so we go point by point. I don't know how did you get that the recoil is random, to me its not. get_right, f0rest, dosia, are pretty consistent, how they do it? I don't know, are they on same wavelength of the developer who came up with it? I agree with you about peekers advantage, doesn't feels right, I think it should change too, but it doesn't ruins the game for me. It only matters when you're in an obvious camp spot anyway. Smokes are fine. Winning a 1x3 even with a smoke is hard as hell, it takes skill, and luck, and its really awesome. Its not like you throw a smoke and win the round. Planting noise I really dont mind. I mean, I think that since its a team game, a TR planting the bomb alone should really be at a disadvantage, and the noise does it, but if it were to be removed I could care less. Anyway, this is not a reason to switch games. Guns that are too cheap? Which gun specifically? None of them feels cheap in any way to me (except for the glock on pistol rounds, which I think should be nerfed, or maybe the p2000 should be buffed in some way, silencers would be good). AK/M4/AWP are still the best guns overall, and killing with something else requires good positioning and sacrificing overall effectiveness to the point where if you got the money its best to stick to them, cause they're more safe. Now, lets talk cheap: the old AWP, the old deagle.

2013-07-03 16:22

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The recoil is indeed not random. It follows the same pattern every time, unlike in 1.6, but yet it is very erratic and therefore VERY hard to control in order to be useful. This is something you'd understand, if you'd understand the gamemechanics of 1.6. Are you serious about the advantage? Even if you PROTECT the spot after a planted bomb the CTs will obv peak and have the advantage. Planting noise, more proof you don't know shit about CS. Have fun trying to clutch even a 1on1 with the time running out. Dude, you are the reason CS:GO will NEVER get better. Cuz u clearly don't know shit about CS anyway. Have fun with your casual game that will most likely be dead in max 1-2 years ( without massive changes...)

2013-07-03 16:29

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Lol, now you're just attacking me. I play CS since 2003, sorry for disappointing you, but here, let me give your answers: I agree that controlling the recoil is harder. Maybe its too hard for you, but I like it. Feels better when I beat other's people aim. I'm serious about the advantage, T sided maps from 1.6 are still T side, and there's the proof that defending is almost the same thing it ever was. Just because I don't care about the planting noise doesn't mean I dont know the implications on having it or not. Either way I'll adapt, so thats ok dude. And btw, managing the time you have to plant the bomb will always be an issue, I'm pretty everyone can deal with that. Well, that said, you're probably the reason CS (any version) is dying, have fun playing your dead game and trying to kill every other game.

2013-07-03 16:36

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Man, you can play CS since beta 99, you obv. still don't know shit about it.

2013-07-03 16:39

and btw: you say I don't wanna change or i'm not willing to adapt or whatever. I. CSP supporter n1. Over 1000 hours in GO. Wanna talk? Don't even try it dude.

2013-07-03 16:41

get_right in my opinion is the only consistently good sprayer in cs:go. lots of very good players, e.g. pimp have told me they still are clueless with the recoil basically. peekers advantage changes the game completely. smokes are not fine. you should not win 50% of 1v3 situations where you only have a smoke. you also shouldn't be able to get lost inside smokes. planting noise makes it next to impossible to clutch rounds as terrorist. once again, had you played/followed 1.6 enough, you'd understand how much better it was. i don't think you understand what i meant with cheap - price. p250 is far too cheap. mag7 is far too cheap. nova is too cheap. either that, or powerful. anyways we might as well stop talking, you clearly, as i said above (with no disrespect) never played/followed 1.6 at a high enough level to understand the differences, so there's no point continuing.

2013-07-03 16:33

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About the weapons: that's Valve trying to make people use the 100000 different weapons. They are too powerful for their price, but making them weaker: nobody would use them. Making them more expensive: nobody would use them. Strong weapons, cheap price. Valve's solution. Pathetic.

2013-07-03 16:38

Thats ok, I give up too. I can't agree with anything you said on this last post, just because there is statistical proof on the contraty everywhere.

2013-07-03 16:43

You can't deny that the attitude towards this game ever since it was released (even before that) has been so incredibly negative that it has been weighed down though. I feel 50% of the audience for this game convinced themselves to hate it without even giving it a chance to develop into a great game. Perhaps it is true it is not a perfect game, but there is undoubtedly value in the game play of csgo nonetheless. It has potential to be great and im just trying to point out that a positive attitude would go a long way into making it happen. Further, all these negative attitudes achieve nothing. Whats the fucking point of ranting about how much a game sucks? it just detracts from the goal we all want attained. That's what i'm trying to say here. Someone with as much influence in the community as you should try to appreciate this, i think.

2013-07-04 06:26

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you're talking about potential, we're talking about today. i don't judge a game on the potential i don't think it will reach. i judge it based on how it is today, and i think so does the rest of the community. all this talk about "not comparing to 1.6" needs to stop. comparison is the natural way of judging something. if you're buying clothing, you will probably compare it to what you already have. if you test drive a car, you'll likely compare it to your current/previous car. it's how you measure things. it's the frustration speaking. people are frustrated - and rightfully so, in my opinion. everyone expected aces, and were dealt a 72o. my goal isn't to pretend cs:go is great, it's to make people wake up and maybe one day valve will make it great. maybe.

2013-07-04 07:20

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I see what you're saying. But i sincerely believe that so many CS players have a predisposed negative view of GO, which is generally bad, no? I'm not trying to say csgo is perfect and everyone needs to shut up. I guess you and i have differing opinions on how to look at the situation. The gist i am getting from you is that we need to be critical in order to fix the mistakes and improve it, where as i think that general negative attitudes are pretty detrimental to these kinds of things. And, that the community (in general i mean) have probably been slightly crossing the line between "critical criticism" and "hate rants". (Although that's not to say constructive criticism isn't needed; it is).

2013-07-04 09:07

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basic theory in brands is that if you like a certain brand, you're more prone to overlooking their mistakes etc. to me it seems like valve's brand is utter shit within the cs community due to a decade of negligence and lack of support, so people tend to zoom in on their mistakes. people probably do have a predisposed negative view of cs:go, but it comes from reading others' opinions of it, which are swayed by the game's lack of quality, valve's bad image, etc. i guess what i'm trying to say is something caused it, and that's all on valve. 100% of it. valve are missing the most basic thought in entrepreneurship: know your customer. they missed by miles.

2013-07-04 09:16

+1 The truth is nothing anyone ever does will please 1.6ers.

2013-07-03 13:51

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yes a better game than 1.6 I think it can be made.

2013-07-03 14:17

'Murica.

2013-07-03 13:40

- COD + CSGO

2013-07-03 13:44

lol what a retard.

2013-07-03 13:46

hope he will make a comeback for the lan finals. - slip, +dazed would be a sick team

2013-07-03 13:47

Good decision. Don't return it's a waste of time. Even play another game. That isn't a flame towards DaZeD either. It's a boring, stale game that's literally never going to change; neither are most of the idiots that make up the scene. Good luck for the future.

2013-07-03 13:54

Just make CSGO f2p , mayb we will get +50k playerz

2013-07-03 14:09

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woudn't change the game's quality. ;)

2013-07-03 14:21

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ye but like u saw, Team Fortress had like 20-30k players , now 50-90k/ day

2013-07-03 14:24

Maybe the game quality is fine. The "lack of quality" could be from the community. And I guess it probably is.

2013-07-03 14:33

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Cs community is worst :D any other game dsnt have community like this

2013-07-03 14:41

So the lack of quality is from the community because they dont want to play a game they dont like or enjoy?

2013-07-03 15:55

"DaZeD takes a break from CS:GO to play Call of Duty on Xbox" whaaaat

2013-07-03 14:18

Dazed is a cool guy and this step is fully respectable. If i wouldn't find another game worth real passion i would probably prefer cod ghosts on the new xbox one too. Maybe i would have alot more fun again than wasting time with a messed up game Valve doesn't care about. There is a new generation in front of us, so why you souldn't pick the fun-parts out of it.

2013-07-03 14:22

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CoD is fun like 10 hours then its boorinG

2013-07-03 14:23

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hm pretty much if you feel so. but i remember playing titles like cod 2 or modernwarefare on xbox during months. ofcourse cod will propably never have the competitive claim of cs, cause the original seems to be the highest class in�terms of that, but why not if you like so. dazed is petty much placing a sign that he is not longer willed to accept that kind of messed up support shit.

2013-07-03 14:30

i'd rather work my ass off in a company, than to play 5hrs+ of cod all day.

2013-07-03 14:34

I wish there was a chance to go back to 2008 :/ I don't think our CS scene will get bigger. This decision is not only based on DaZeD

2013-07-03 14:45

lmao if people even consider switching cs for cod the game must be really shitty

2013-07-03 15:07

good choice :o)

2013-07-03 15:11

-fifflaren and csgo will rise

2013-07-03 15:19

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hahahahahhahaaaa

2013-07-04 06:48

you know a game is bad if you stop after 10 months.

2013-07-03 15:25

he did actually try his best to improve CSGO but as per usual Valve didn't listen. GL to him.

2013-07-03 15:42

COD? Console? So much fucking fail in this shit. Good luck Dazed. Way to sell out.

2013-07-03 15:50

Best of luck to him

2013-07-03 15:52

Good choice.

2013-07-03 16:29

NArevival they said

2013-07-03 16:37

noname usa guy...WHATEVER............................

2013-07-03 16:41

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he's the #1 NA stfu

2013-07-03 18:53

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lmao... dont make me laugh dude. #1 NA hahhah, it's like #1 camerum

2013-07-03 19:26

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And more successful than your Polish 1.6ers. Quantic got second to NiP at the ESEA Finals, not that they can really compare though, ESC rules!

2013-07-04 02:48

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buehehe wut? americans are soooooo funny

2013-07-04 06:57

weird timing to switch to cod now given the fact that there is likely to only be only 1 more MLG event this year in November and any future Activision sponsored $1 million tournaments will be on the next cod, on the new xbox one and will be in 2014. Funny that they lost one game to Curse and he instantly quits cs.

2013-07-03 16:53

Whine about CS:GO developers but will play COD a game whose competitive scene is completely ignored. Hes probably just still mad about no bunnyhopping. On the subject of practice, the NA scene seems completely clueless when it comes to time management. Having played with Americans and seen many NA players on stream they seem to be better at sitting on mumble doing fuck all than actually doing any kind of constructive practice.

2013-07-03 17:21

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1 million dollars = completely ignored.

2013-07-03 18:07

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Throwing money at is is completely different to listening to the competitive community and making positive changes to the game. You have to put the game in a position where it can sustain itself and not rely on charity from its own developers to survive long term.

2013-07-03 19:42

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It is different yes, but a lot better than somebody (Valve) not doing either.

2013-07-03 21:56

lol, is it possible to play fps with a gamepad? :D. Aiming must take years!

2013-07-03 17:24

yeap good desicion at least cod on xbox has millions of users, million dollar tournaments and the game aint bad at all. gl dazed

2013-07-03 18:02

CSGO going down and down like I said

2013-07-03 18:05

Embarrassing for CSGO.

2013-07-03 18:17

Xbox haha, but yeah I understand the man. Valve is literally pissing on CS:GO, it ain't cool.

2013-07-03 18:22

He is probably going to play CoD because in CS:GO it was hard to aim for him

2013-07-03 18:29

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That's why he is arguably one of the best CS:GO players? Must be.

2013-07-03 23:07

Valve killed 1.6..and this game will die quicker then 1.6..lets look at the current csgo scene..fnatic,ESC,Na Vi are all playing shit because no one likes the game they are only in it for the money..markeloff plays more dota 2 then csgo..I have never seen trace doing so bad in 1.6...2-8 6-12 his score goes like this..I am afraid these 3 teams will disband soon

2013-07-03 19:09

Its deading...

2013-07-03 19:13

lurppis..why are you the voice for csgo bashing but when you are on the stream of Rahim you just said you only playd a few houres of csgo :/ still you act like you know evrything from this game...makes me sad that you only talk what the user from hltv want to hear but yea aslong as you get them hits on your twitter...

2013-07-03 19:25

R.I.P CSGO

2013-07-03 20:05

CoD op glhf

2013-07-03 20:44

I hope Sam dies and cs:go lives. I hope he gets shot in the head with a silencer. I would also like to shoot people in the head with a silencer, in cs:go

2013-07-03 23:11

esportsearnings.com/games/107/call_of_du.. vs esportsearnings.com/games/95/counter_str.. Is it really that hard of a choice to make?

2013-07-03 23:35

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i'm not sure how well esportsearnings.com tracks other games, but it does a very bad job at tracking cs:go money (and did a terrible job at tracking cs 1.6).

2013-07-04 07:27

who cares? he is bad at fps games.

2013-07-04 04:50

shitty time considering the scene is actually pretty competitive now at the top of the US scene with 3 teams all competing for the #1 spot (Curse, Quantic, Denial).

2013-07-04 05:19

Question: Why is everyone saying CS:GO has no support from Valve/the developers? What do they need to do to further produce the game or give it the support it needs?

2013-07-04 08:44

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They don't update the game regularly with what the community wants/needs. They also don't offer any kind of financial support to CSGO which is what an eSport needs in this day and age if it wants to be taken seriously. It's not even a case of hosting million dollar tournaments but just adding say $20k to already existing tournaments would be really good or just pushing tournaments to host CS.

2013-07-09 16:01

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Noobish Question, I know that's what LoL/Riot does, but other games developers do that? It has nothing to do with the demand of the gamers? What kind of do you mean too, like updates and including more content?

2013-07-10 07:46

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rofl, so The International events (DotA) aren't sponsored by valve? This type of events (with big money purse) help to motivate pro gamers and upcoming talents to play the game more seriously. Big events also help to advertise the game. I think he meant updates that fix gameplay (like silencer, movement etc.).

2013-07-10 08:13