Dosia: "Insults and threats"

18-7-2013 22:47

Mihail "Dosia" Stolyarov has added even more fuel to all the talk surrounding Virtus.pro by criticising the organisation's treatment of the players.

Only a few hours after confirming that they had closed down their CS:GO division, Virtus.pro accused the players of blackmailing the organisation and made it clear that every member of the squad had a contract until the end of the year.

Sergey "Fox" Stolyarov quickly reacted to that statement, denying any sort of foul play from the team's point of view and suggesting that Virtus.pro had not held up their end of the bargain either.

Dosia also comments on Virtus.pro exit

His brother, Mihail "Dosia" Stolyarov, has now come forth to shed even more light into this matter, going as far as to claim that the players were not even contracted to Virtus.pro in the first place.

"Contracts? Never heard about them! Regulations? Yes, there were regulations!," he wrote on vk.com, Russia's main social media network.

"Was there anything about leaving the organisation in those regulations? No!

"We had an oral agreement with LeX, and the main point of it was that if we got an offer, we would go to Virtus.pro's chiefs to discuss it.

"This time we did not hear anything but insults and threats.

"Very nice way to solve a problem. They are really able to motivate people..."

According to Navi-gaming.com, Mihail "Dosia" Stolyarov is part of a new CIS top team boasting players like Yegor "markeloff" Markelov and Dauren "AdreN" Kystaubayev.

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2013-07-18 22:47

cool

:POPCORN:

2013-07-18 22:48

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here have a drink

It's not funny anymore

2013-07-18 22:51

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:CARECUP:

2013-07-18 22:52

Pepsi or Cola, hmmm so hard to choose -_-

2013-07-18 22:55

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Cola all the life

2013-07-18 23:16

never pepsi

2013-07-18 23:21

Fanta and Sprite

2013-07-18 23:26

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fanta <3

2013-07-19 00:04

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This +1

2013-07-19 00:15

bon bauson =)

2013-07-19 00:47

2013-07-19 14:30

Pepsi 4sho.

2013-07-18 23:42

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2013-07-18 23:13

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2013-07-19 07:05

DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA

uh oh..

lol if thats true idk what "sportmanship" lex have

DRAMA

2013-07-18 22:49

wwwwhhhyyyyyy?!!!!!!!!!!!

Loving all of this, keep it coming guys!

Dosia eat you NomNomNom,one does not simply mess with russian bears

anyway dosia was always a douche and we can wait for vp answer

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LOL cuz LeX is known for being a nice guy. Clearly.

2013-07-18 22:53

I didnt say that :D I know story about zeus and edward in VP too

2013-07-18 22:57

wake me up when it's all over

When I'm wiser and I'm older

And when the weather gets colder

All this time I was finding my self and I didn't know I was lost

2013-07-18 23:23

+1.. you dont want to mess with russian stuff haha

2013-07-23 19:22

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Act 2 of the Soap Opera "CS:GO SCENE" continues, we have new actor on stage!

Exit stage left followed by a bear

this is escalating very quickly :D. loving it

"We had an oral agreement with LeX, and the main point of it was that if we got an offer, we would go to Virtus.pro's chiefs to discuss it." Is a form of contract.

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dont argue with pros :D

2013-07-18 23:00

Oral agreement would never pass as valid evidence in court so not, it's not.

2013-07-18 23:05

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actually it would, in UK there were several cases of these things

2013-07-18 23:08

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russia =/= UK

2013-07-18 23:10

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actually even in russia it might be possible if someone recorded or sneg has any evidence

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if they have a valid proof like recording or agreement on paper(which is actually a contract) they might get to the court, but we don't know that for sure yet. Without any actual proof there is no way both sides gonna end up in court.

2013-07-18 23:17

In norway an oral agreement is just as valid as a written one :P At least when both parts agree that there was one

2013-07-18 23:18

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ye, thats what i am talking, i stydy law and i know it. moreover Dosia is a dumb guy, he admitted that thay had an oral agreement right in his post

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Oh the Russian education... An oral employment contract is NOT legal in Russia. I thought that was common knowledge... Having a written form of an employment contract is mandatory in Russia since 1992.

2013-07-18 23:33

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the contract was not about employement, but an agreement

2013-07-18 23:46

an agreement which outlines salaries, job duties, responsibilities and job schedule is an employment contract. i wonder whether VP payed the taxes hehe... they're like 45% of the salary.

2013-07-18 23:59

that's why i dont think it's employment contract, as it is impossible for most of esports players to pay out taxes

2013-07-19 00:46

it was an employment contract, like it or not. and it's pretty obvious that taxes are the reason why they didn't want to have a proper contract. VP had a salary of like 350 euros, which amounts to like 550 euros before taxes. wouldn't call that unpayable.

2013-07-19 13:34

taxes in russia? are you kidding? you have to pay full taxes only if you're going to enter politics on the opposite to the Tsar side otherwise some little presents for servants of the people on february 23 and november 10 solve the problem completely ukraine has the same story thanks to 'proffesor'

2013-07-19 01:20

I'm fairly sure Sweden and Norway have pretty much the same laws about oral agreements. The problem about oral agreements is that nobody can really prove anything without a recording where both parties have clearly identified themselves with witnesses. So in short if it goes to shit an oral agreement is useless.

In Norway, dude. In Russia everybody lies.

2013-07-19 06:36

oral contracts are legally binding in the UK and probably the US too, that's true, however that doesn't apply to russia.

2013-07-18 23:20

Oral agreements don't mean shit. It has to be in writing for anyone to take it seriously

2013-07-18 23:37

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did u try to study law before saying it?

2013-07-18 23:45

Guy 1: Judge we had an oral agreement about this Guy 2: No we didn't Judge Now what?

2013-07-18 23:47

u judge like a scolar boy, i bet u ddint know anything about jurisprudence

2013-07-19 00:45

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Alright then dumb ass let's get legal. An oral.contract is usually used in simple transactions such as trade or barters. If lex really thought that an oral contract is enough for an org such as VP then he's paying for his mistake right now. An oral contract is only legally binding if it can be proven in court and good luck trying to prove it against 5 players. Throwing around big words isn't going to help you. You don't need to be a lawyer or have to study any law to understand that the reason written contracts are used is because that's what is taken to court in case there's a dispute.

2013-07-19 00:57

okay fucktard, lets see VP:we got an oral contract\agreement Dosia:"We had an oral agreement with LeX" he seems to be more stupid than you, sp he even stated that they had an oral agreement

2013-07-19 01:04

Omfg the issue isn't whether or not the had a verbal.contract or not, its about the content of that contract. Both parties say that the other broke promises. That's why oral contracts don't mean shit. There's no proof on what they actually agreed on. Now stop talking you're embarrassing yourself

2013-07-19 01:13

i highly doubt that VP orga has no proofs. Dosia is one of the dumbest players to play a game, probably him and hes teammates even didnt care about those agreements

2013-07-19 01:14

And exactly how are they going to prove about oral contract genius?

2013-07-19 01:19

I think, it (agreement) means that if they had an offer from other organizations, they should DISCUSS with VP orga first. They (players) contacted with management of VP (probably when they got an offer), but orga thought that they're trying to blackmail them and started insulting,threatening them etc. You should read Dosia's post on his page in russian more carefully, because i might be mistaken (i don't know russian that much).

2013-07-19 06:15

i dont like VP orga, but neither i trust what dosia says.

2013-07-19 08:39

It most definitely would.. if there was evidence of the oral agreement of course.

2013-07-18 23:54

Okey, it does matter if somehow the oral agreemenet was recorded or written down :P but its much easier to get away with it than lets say a printed one, right?

2013-07-19 08:52

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2013-07-18 22:56

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2013-07-19 01:41

Drama

There should be an extra show(whatever is the name of the show what Thoorin, cArn and lurppis are doing) about this.

in the next episode TaZ is expected to be a guest

2013-07-18 23:01

srsly?

2013-07-19 10:47

yes

2013-07-19 12:25

Cool :-)

2013-07-19 20:07

"Insults and Threats" written and directed by Virtus Pro

2013-07-18 23:02

[Pod]Cast

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2013-07-18 22:59

ohh shiit

2013-07-19 00:01

perfect time for fnatic to fix them something

2013-07-18 23:03

GL in a new Arbalet's team, I hope Fox gonna not retire...

dosia a.k.a zed??

2013-07-18 23:24

Why do they bring all this drama to the public? Couldn't have they just sit down and discuss it thoroughly all-together?

2013-07-18 23:25

When I saww all these news my thought was: "Omg! Is CS:GO finally dying?" Because I truly thought that all ESC, NaVi and VP players are quitting at the same time... but then hell knows what started going on...

2013-07-18 23:27

best CS:GO day so far. this drama should happen every day.

Read about the NA scene. This happens every few months

2013-07-18 23:39

It doesn't matter if there was a written agreement or not, Oral agreement is also a form of contract ..

2013-07-18 23:35

No judge is going to enforce a verbal contract

Who says ? people have won cases on oral agreement ..

Not in Russia.,....

too much vodka i guess .. :D

hahah look who is talking here

2013-07-19 00:42

Though so too.

Go figure the brothers are agreeing with each other >.>

both are just as bad as each other.

2013-07-18 23:55

drama...

2013-07-19 00:14

People dont realize how hard it is to prove an oral agreement. Dosia might have admitted that they had an oral agreement but he didn't indicate what was the agreement about exactly. he said they promised for things VP seniors might deny and the team might deny the contents of the verbal agreement so they are useless. If so the rest of VP admit they had an oral agreement in the beginning.

2013-07-19 00:19

the jimmies are rustled

huehuehue

2013-07-19 00:44

Dosia[v]*Benq FTW! :D After so many years I find out that Fox and Dosia are brothers. HOLY SHIT.

2013-07-19 01:47

Shame on you!

2013-07-19 09:22

2013-07-19 13:40

"oral agreement" If u got what he means

2013-07-19 06:08

need more popcorn

2013-07-19 08:23

Whats going on lol.

2013-07-19 10:15

2013-07-19 14:29

It's like Thorin said in the last [POD]Cast #11. There are organisations that force their players to make player changes. So Thorin can add to his list a new organisation: Virtus-pro when the statements of Dosia are true. Dosia about Adren kick (read this on csgo.starladder.tv)

2013-07-20 08:23