How can Valve support events?

As a follow-up to my previous article explaining why Counter-Strike: Global Offensive needs major events, here's a few suggestions on how one could be arranged.

At this point in my opinion it's a given organizers like ESL, ESWC or DreamHack aren't going to host a massive +$100,000 tournament, unless they receive backing from someone else.

As people working for these organizations have pointed out countless times, you receive more exposure from year long small tournaments and online leagues than one massive event.

In 2013 large scale eSports tournaments are no longer only funded through large corporate sponsorships, as things used to be in the old days of CPLs, ESWCs or IEM seasons.


The times have changed 

Ever since Riot started funding tournaments for League of Legends, more and more publishers have started pouring money into games, and now games such as World of Tanks are popular largely thanks to it.

Who would be in a position to chip in enough financial support to make a major CS:GO event a reality then? The answer is obviously Valve, whether you choose to accept it or not.

No one else has as much to gain as Valve, who could make the game free-to-play and draw massive attention through a major event, even if it's only one twenty-eighth the size of TI3.

 

Free-to-play?

Why would Valve make CS:GO free-to-play, when they can just continue racking up money through sales of the game that is less than a year old at the time of writing?

Because they could make considerably more money through a micropayment model similar to that of LoL and Dota 2 than through regular Steam game sales this long after release.

I won't even pretend to have an idea of how much Valve has made through CS:GO sales so far, but I also don't think it's very relevant. A micropayment model has proven to be the way to go.

CS:GO's biggest problem has been its inability to attract new gamers, and what could be a better way of doing it than by making the game free-to-play so anyone could try it out for free?


Here's a customer for a Polish police skin 

I'd even venture a guess that Valve would make more money if proper items were being sold in the in-game store, and they wouldn't even have to alter the gameplay.

You could sell custom player skins with NiP or Na`Vi jerseys, or even old jerseys for the likes of mTw and SK, which would surely still sell well. Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas even said he'd want a Polish police uniform.

Naturally you should also sell custom weapon skins. While it probably wouldn't be as popular, I'm sure there's a couple of people out there who would make their Desert Eagle resemble James Bond's golden gun, if possible.

You could also buy the option of selecting a permanent skin of Valve's standard player models, as so far it hasn't been possible in CS:GO and in previous versions you could take your pick.

There's definitely people who would pay real money to be able to spray logos after kill sequences, just like in CS 1.6. You could pay a dollar to get a badge on your player model for your status in matchmaking.


Vintage Na`Vi jerseys, anyone? 

Maybe you could pay Valve to get access to 128 tickrate high quality matchmaking servers? A "premium/VIP" status of some sort in CS, giving you access to games above regular users?

Full player profiles for said users, so you keep track of all their games and statistics? Weekly cups hosted by Valve's automatic system on their matchmaking servers? Very possible.

Finally, you could make some custom servers where you could buy custom weapons, such as a bazooka. You could even beta test new weapons or changes to pre-existing weapons there before rolling them out in CS:GO.

I might not buy custom skins myself, but I would go blow some people up with a bazooka. I believe there is something for everyone, as long as the people in charge of the store are creative.


What would Valve gain?

The player numbers, which have been growing at a very slow rate, would without a doubt rapidly soar to numbers we have only dreamed of since the release of CS:GO in August last year.

Ideally we'd have Valve fix up the game a little prior to making the game free-to-play so the players who have tried it in its beta stage and didn't like it might change their minds, but it's not a must.

In my opinion simply the good press Valve would get from giving back to the community for once would likely be worth it. The scene is dying for Valve to do something for them.

How many times have you seen NiP players all but beg Valve employees to host something for CS:GO on Twitter? Or start hashtags hoping to make them trend? Too many.


friberg should compete in CS:GO at TI4 and he knows it 

Valve would get tons of players, could make millions through micropayments, receive a lot of good press prior to their Steam Box release - something that you can't put a price tag on.

The fact they've neglected the community for so long would also on its own make this a huge deal. It would show for once that Valve does care, and boost everyone's morale.

Furthermore, going free-to-play and supporting the scene through a tournament of some kind would have another huge bonus - Valve would get endless amounts of good PR.

Imagine the forum posts and tweets from happy fans about Valve having listened to them. Valve backing a tournament would be worth probably ten times the money they put in, in terms of PR.

To go a tiny bit further, Valve could send some coders to events again to talk to professional players and try to get feedback and ideas on how to improve the game. Their presence would also be a news item of its own.


Operation payback netted mapmakers over $150,000 

Finally, it would at least whet Valve's appetite towards possibly including Counter-Strike: Global Offensive at a future The International event, possibly TI4 next year.

If Operation Payback was able to raise $150,000, there is little doubt in my mind that not only would people spend much more money through micropayments, but they'd likely also donate for a tourney, similar to Dota 2 and TI3.

Would Valve be more likely to include CS:GO in TI4 if they were making bank through the game's micropayment system? Of course. Then they would be incentivized to make it more popular.

Call of Duty games certainly gained a ton through the $1M tournaments, or Activision wouldn't have kept running them. You have to spend money to make money, and Valve must realize that.


The downside?

According to feedback I've stumbled on most often the main reason Valve can't host a major event or back another tournament is because they wouldn't gain anything from it.

They also argue Valve can't make CS:GO free-to-play because then it would be filled with cheaters, and customers who already paid the low price of the game wouldn't be happy.

Luckily number one is not true for the reasons I've already mentioned in the previous section, and number two could very easily be solved, although I don't think it's a problem to begin with.

If ESEA can provide an anti-cheat that is next to impossible to cheat on without getting caught, so can Valve. Surely you'd have to pay someone to do it, but it'd be well worth the money.


No one will have to face palm over this

Valve already made Team Fortress 2 free-to-play after thousands of people had paid for the game, and while there might have been some outcry, it certainly wasn't a massive issue.

However, there's a way for Valve to better things. How about giving everyone who has bought CS:GO a couple of free tickets in the new in-game store for custom items?

Not only would players be happy to get some of the new swag in-game, but it would also make sure some is instantly in circulation, and would therefore attract more people to buy items.

As one of my favorite TV character Bob Kelso said, nothing worth having in life comes easy, and the same applies here. These things are worth having; someone just has to put in work and money to make them happen.

 

Who says no?

What would be the cheapest way of organizing a major tournament? It certainly wouldn't be Valve doing it on their own and paying for the actual tournament itself, but luckily there are other options.

If I was Valve and I wanted to spend as little as possible for a maximum return on investment, I would pay IEM something like $80,000 to host a $100,000 CS:GO tournament.

Why IEM then? Because if it was hosted at their World Championship event to be held at Katowice, it would have the money and prestige necessary for a tournament to become a major.

Number two option for me would be ESWC, which used to be even bigger than IEM, and can certainly put on a nice show in Paris with a little financial help from Bellevue.


$80,000 to return to these stages? Where can Valve sign? 

Third option is giving DreamHack something like $70,000 to get to a nice round number, and if they say no (which none of these organizers would), you tell Inferno Online they're getting $90,000 to host a tournament.

Even if some of these organizers have lost their minds and aren't willing to put in a little money for massive exposure, others would take up that offer in a heartbeat, and it would cost Valve next to nothing.

Not only do they pay out millions in prize money for The International, but renting out the venue, flying players in and putting them in hotels isn't cheap either. This is how you avoid all of that.

For as little as $70,000 you could realistically have CS:GO's first major, and a ridiculous amount of potential and hope. The scene could certainly use some of the latter.

 

What next?

It's time for Valve to suck it up and start actively doing something to help the Counter-Strike community if they wish for CS:GO to remain relevant in the realm of eSports.

Adding the silencer is a start, though over a year late, and mostly just adds insult to injury for anyone who follows eSports as a whole, as it's nothing compared to what Dota 2 gets.

That's because Valve still make money through Dota 2 you say? Well, maybe they should make CS:GO free-to-play with a micropayment model then and give themselves some incentives.

I know it'd benefit the scene as a whole, likely make Valve even richer than they already are, and probably help them sell more copies of a future Counter-Strike game somewhere down the line.

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SO FAST!
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Russia AHDREJKASUPAR
translate this Igor
2013-08-12 23:44
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Algeria hakimus
weekly tournament :'( :'( :'( hell yess
2013-08-13 13:31
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Slovakia m0dusCS
i would definitely pay for that (if it was on 128 tick) because you don't need to find enemy by yourself and that is really comfortable.
2013-08-13 18:37
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Lets hope this works out, lol.
2013-08-12 22:46
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what works out? Valve dont read forums brother
2013-08-13 06:14
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Croatia VuKA
someone can send email with this post to them
2013-08-13 10:22
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Poland BoMamaMiKazala
Polish police skin would be great :)
2013-08-12 22:51
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morocco police skin would be great :)
2013-08-12 23:29
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lool
2013-08-13 10:40
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>>How can Valve support events? Well Lurppis, looks like you might not have to wait much longer than the next update to find out :D sooper excited
2013-08-12 22:52
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Denmark pROXYY[m]
In theory its not gonna be Valve supporting with that feature, its gonna be us :D
2013-08-13 02:15
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The way I see it its the opposite. In theory it is Valve that is supporting it by implementing these suggestions, meanwhile its us supporting it in practice by paying for the content.
2013-08-13 13:51
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"Finally, you could make some custom servers where you could buy custom weapons, such as a bazooka" :DDD
2013-08-12 22:52
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Germany Mr.Pink1073
i want knife rounds to be droped and bazooka rounds to be picked up.
2013-08-12 23:40
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that would be amazing :DD
2013-08-12 23:47
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that would be awesome, except in mirage, T guys wouldn't have any chance on ramp xD But all map with bazookas with 5 "bullets" for everyone would be nice xD
2013-08-12 23:47
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did i forget to mention that one guy operates a mortar instead of a bazooka?
2013-08-12 23:51
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Portugal pt_ronaldo
what is a mortar?
2013-08-12 23:54
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2013-08-13 00:01
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ohhh ok, yeah i think T guys can shoot 1 mortar from T base to A site xD
2013-08-13 02:07
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JUST DONT MAKE IT F2P, really you have no clue how many cheaters will play CSGO, PLEASE.
2013-08-12 22:52
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Russia Killa_ru
They could just make Operation Payback to enter matchmaking cuz they tested that system right now with this OP. So cheaters can enter MatchMaking only after they will buy a ticket for it. F2P+No cheaters huh?
2013-08-12 23:07
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but now operation payback costs 0,50 €. They need to make new ticket which could cost more.
2013-08-13 00:11
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Russia Killa_ru
Sure they will. That's exactly what will gappen.
2013-08-13 09:08
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Stop holding it back...
2013-08-12 23:19
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valve to develop SuperDuperVAC !!
2013-08-12 23:59
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if they make it free 2 play then an ESEA level anticheat system should follow :) simple as that
2013-08-13 01:44
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TF2 is F2P and barely has any cheaters
2013-08-13 11:14
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Croatia VuKA
esea have great anticheat, valve can also make one
2013-08-13 12:14
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I read about 75% of this but now I have to dash from work... A very passionate and thorough call-out to Valve...no bad vibes here as before. Great stuff :) Let's hope good endings do happen in the CS saga which has for so long had a rocky road
2013-08-12 22:52
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+1
2013-08-13 00:49
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+2
2013-08-13 15:17
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Valve never listen.
2013-08-12 22:52
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tr0LL
2013-08-12 23:19
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yay! please give us purchasable skins! I too want play in my own country police uniform. image.rakuten.co.jp/auc-double/cabinet/z.. :D
2013-08-12 22:53
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seems dope
2013-08-13 01:44
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Dope suits are half of the victory :)
2013-08-13 10:56
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Slovenia yung_voodoo
i wanna play in your countrys police uniform too
2013-08-13 15:00
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World Mwjk13
Nice timing :D
2013-08-12 22:54
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Sweden noobzoris
So true. I really hope Valve reads this. I'd use micropayments for sure, just for the sake of the community
2013-08-12 22:54
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+1
2013-08-12 22:57
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still FPS-based games wont be as popular as MOBA, thats just how it is
2013-08-12 22:57
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you can't be sure about that, in the past was CS very popular... why shouldn't it be again?
2013-08-12 22:59
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Sweden noobzoris
CS:GO has the potential for sure, valve just need to drag their thumbs outta their buttholes and fix the current things that are shit with the game. MOBA's ran over FPS (CS in general) simply because 1.6 was outdated as hell, yet 1.6 managed to get 70k+ viewers with graphics so bad that you could play the game on a toaster
2013-08-12 23:10
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Crossfire, cs online and many other f2p games are very popular.
2013-08-12 23:30
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And they do not have the backing :)
2013-08-13 16:55
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+1 The generation of idiot kids these days grow up playing MOBAs and will continue to do that until the next "generation" of games. For now that's the only genre of games that will amass millions of players.
2013-08-13 00:27
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#TiCSGO great work lurrp!
2013-08-12 22:57
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You are so right :D Would be really awesome!
2013-08-12 22:58
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great read, as always.
2013-08-12 22:58
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Great read.
2013-08-12 22:59
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I have vintage navi pad signed by all 5
2013-08-12 23:00
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World usk1
agree with all points
2013-08-12 23:02
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Sweden xp3cT
I think it is a good idea to make it f2p, but then I think there it should be an option for the people that already have bought the game to chose if they would like to play with all or just players that have bought they game, so they maybe reduce the risk to play with cheaters or trolls. I also like the idea about micropayments. :)
2013-08-12 23:03
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World Ravil
In TF2 there is a plugin for servers that keeps out f2p players or puts a [f2p] in their name. Something like that would definately come to CS:GO aswell
2013-08-13 01:27
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Great article. Also +1 for scrubs reference. Best show ever created.
2013-08-12 23:03
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I dunno ... after 1 year Valve finally decides to start doing something for the competitive scene? To me it sounds like: "Ok, what we had planned first didn't work out great. Let's try something else." OFC it is great they finally start to take their heads out of their asses.... just sad it had to take a year. Let's wait for the update. Maybe it will be awesome. I surely won't get wet cuz of a silencer ( which i honestly didn't even miss....).
2013-08-12 23:05
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United States m0no
It took this long for people in the community to start being open and posting their opinions in places where the developers will eventually check.
2013-08-13 02:18
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Finland boOzyy
Yeah.. HLTV hateposts about Valve aren't really constructive
2013-08-13 04:21
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For cs:go to go to TI4, there needs to be alot of great events first, otherwise 1M viewers for dota, 20k for cs
2013-08-12 23:08
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India zeibi
Yeah now COWABUNGAMAKE, best player EU can make easy money playing csgo!
2013-08-12 23:11
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Turkey Markers
great points.Valve read this god damnit
2013-08-12 23:13
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Those, who've already payed, can get that VIP/Premium account. and i think that Arbalet said, that he will sponsor tournaments back again, when the new version of the game will come, even when CSGO was not announced, so now, when he has his own team...we might see Arbalet Cups again. what do you think, lurppis?
2013-08-12 23:13
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He does not have his own team, Astana Dragons aren't sponsored by Arbalet.
2013-08-13 00:29
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as striker said, astana dragons have nothing to do with arbalet. clearly he is not coming back for cs:go.
2013-08-13 05:36
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Brazil th3W
I aint gonna buy skins thas fo sho, better buy champions.
2013-08-12 23:14
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Colombia Lokilike
Oh hell no, i dont want TI4 with millions of dollars ... silencer is just fine.... wait
2013-08-12 23:15
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World (' ',)
i agree, cs needs to evolve and add more content.
2013-08-12 23:15
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Netherlands jRnCSGO
twitter.com/csgo_dev "This week’s update also include a new way for the community to help build up prize pools at competitive CS:GO events. More info coming soon!"
2013-08-12 23:15
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World Fr3de
Wow, that sounds awesome!
2013-08-12 23:32
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Germany yuki
compendium for cs:go :D step into the right direction! gogov volvo
2013-08-13 15:56
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#41
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should turn the international into a quakecon/blizzcon type of event where you have like a week long series of tournaments featuring valve games like dota/tf2/cs etc
2013-08-12 23:15
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+1
2013-08-12 23:17
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#44
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Germany pa$co
Or they make a good game, then it becomes a self-runner.
2013-08-12 23:17
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Belgium smiTTe
THIS HAHA First finish the game then expect the people to come. How long can it take to tease people every month with updates that are so obvious while looking at the previous versions of the game. They announced the game would be DONE August 21 last year. It's still far from done.
2013-08-13 05:37
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Russia Saint1
Lurppis clearly explained why games need to be backed by the developer in the article. Maybe you should read more carefully
2013-08-13 18:27
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Good stuff (csgo sas voice)
2013-08-12 23:18
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ahahah n1
2013-08-13 08:46
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Poland Ventori
F2P !!! :D C'mon
2013-08-12 23:20
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Sweden imonoz
I'm getting worried for the health of lurppis fingers :( just remember to save two of those fingers for other duties as well..
2013-08-12 23:22
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Canada Acorn_Cupz
lol, i wonder what could the other duties be :p
2013-08-13 00:02
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Wonder you only can. Guess you cannot, know you cannot. The force is not that strong in you to know or guess something.
2013-08-13 01:28
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No, just no, for me the game will lose its charm when it gets f2p. And also, Valve finally starts to do real job with CS:GO. Can't wait next week!
2013-08-12 23:22
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maybe even this week #39
2013-08-13 00:13
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Good read.
2013-08-12 23:24
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n1
2013-08-12 23:24
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Indonesia sandzetional
Given the attitude Valve has been showing towards CSGO community, I really doubt Valve want to spend extra money on developing AC that is as reliable as ESEA. Making CSGO F2P is just basically saying to cheaters "Welcome and Enjoy Your Stay. Please cheat as much as you can."
2013-08-12 23:26
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#95
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Tunisia edgg
OR, they can just buy the ESEA's anti cheat sourcecode and put it instead of VAC
2013-08-13 00:16
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#105
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Indonesia sandzetional
Well, the question is: Is ESEA willing to sell? The client is the bread and butter of ESEA. That's what people are paying for. To play in a "cheat free" environment. It takes a ridiculous amount of bitcoin for ESEA to even consider selling their AC code to Valve.
2013-08-13 00:37
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#54
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Lithuania n0jokE
its fun how community is almost begging and constantly throwing good ideas for Valve to make a game better and earn more money...
2013-08-12 23:29
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#55
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Brazil LIPE1
LURPPIS-dA-KiNG
2013-08-12 23:29
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#57
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India Shark clone
CSGO should never go f2p :(
2013-08-12 23:30
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n1 but the bit about having the pay for 128tick is just dumb and would be a scum bag move. it would be like forcing people to pay for the ability to play with low ping. it should be just a given.
2013-08-12 23:30
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#140
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United States m0no
Paying to play with a low ping? That's not really related to server performance but to server location. The fee would be a very micro amount and it's to help servers costs; 128 tick requires twice as much power if you can't do the math. It's nothing similar to paying for low ping.
2013-08-13 02:13
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#168
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Finland boOzyy
Shitload of people pay for ESEA too
2013-08-13 04:23
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#60
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Hungary gran1t
valve wants cs dead so we play dota :D
2013-08-12 23:31
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#63
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Sweden gAlAxi
Lurppis <3
2013-08-12 23:33
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#64
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United Kingdom dv-_-
They could try making the game interesting to watch for one. I know more about CS than any other game, but watching GO just bores the pants off me. I tried to watch the fnatic game vs AD today, thinking it might be interesting but I turned it off after the pistol round as it's just not exciting. I just watched the International 3 dota2 event, and I barely even play the game, but I was glued to my seat the whole event, staying up late so as not to miss any games. The fast paced gameplay where a match can turn around in a few seconds, and the precision of the pros just isn't that good to watch, they look just like average players, hitting average shots.
2013-08-12 23:34
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#112
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Canada mykkE
I disagree, CSGO is just as excited to watch as Dota2 and LoL for me... production value is the one thing that plagues cs (casters, crashing, players reconnecting due to FPS bug)
2013-08-13 00:48
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#65
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Denmark l0mm3
Really good article, I like the ideas about tournaments, f2p, micropayments and the point about Operation Payback just proves it can be done. Hopefully Valve will not just think about these things, but actually do something about it, it's what CS:GO needs..
2013-08-12 23:35
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#66
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Portugal xtrm:D
with all these aspects mentioned above makes the game more appealing to new cs player that will certainly get started by playing on public servers, and if you have many xiters in public servers many people will stop play certainly, even without xiter in competitive scene, and we will be back to the beginning.
2013-08-12 23:39
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#67
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World B@inshie
Sigh, people here are forgetting that 'throwing huge amounts of money at the competitive scene' to see what sticks is a good way to lose a whole bunch of money for no return. As much as developer cash is one of the things that can make a game awesome, it's just one of a variety of crucial parts, all of which need to be done else you're just simply making a few pro players rich (See Shootmania and IPL). If you want to throw money at a wall to see what sticks, you need something for it to stick too. And that something is a community. And no, IRC isn't a community strong enough to hold that kinda cash . It needs a community that habours discussion and it's own content creation, a community that from the outside, looks like an interesting place that people themselves might want to join. SC2 has this with team liquid, the countless websites and pages like it, with youtube and other wiki's of content. Dota 2 has the same, with joindota and playdota, tens of youtube and twitch tv casters creating data, attracting people into the community and suggesting they also make their own data. Or to put it into another word. If your parents wanted to (Right this moment) get into the competitive world of counter strike, where would you send them? HLTV?
2013-08-12 23:38
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#204
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Slovenia xpero39
I think kniferound.net/wiki/Main_Page has some potencial to be the CS wiki, it just needs more exposure and entries.
2013-08-13 09:52
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#68
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El Salvador abjfilt
WoT & LoL is shitty need cs go!
2013-08-12 23:39
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#72
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Poland Marcines
f2p its a good option
2013-08-12 23:46
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#74
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World B@inshie
(In a different post, since it's a different argument and I don't want to post a wall of text) The people who complain that CSGO doesn't get the same treatement in content creation as Dota seem to forget that Valve are human. Humans who are effected by emotion like the rest of us. And where if valve were to release a update reworking all 100+ heros, the dota community would be like 'ALRIGHT! LETS DO THIS!'. In the meantime, if valve releases a update for CSGO "Changed value 0.0001 to 0.0002" it generally gets responded to with a slew of "WHY IS VALVE DESTROYING THE GAME, JUST COPY 1.6, VALVE ARE RETARDS!". And then the CS community seems to get actually surprised when these people, creatives who actually want to create things and not just copy 1.6 for the next 5000 years, are seemingly unmotivated to create content for such a community compared to Dota. Rather like a sex offender being surprised that nobody will hire 'Karl the Kiddie fiddler' as a baby sitter.
2013-08-12 23:47
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#76
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United States SwantanamoJ
I always thought guns skins were lame but then thought how cool it'd be to ace some team with a weapon that has the opponent's team logo on it.
2013-08-12 23:47
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#118
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Costa Rica Hosh
It would be impossible since it would be a custom skin (non-official) they would have to downloaded every time they play against you to be able to see it. The in-game shop would send only official items.
2013-08-13 01:00
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#280
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United States SwantanamoJ
Wrong. I'm talking about them copying their dota style where team logos can be implemented ingame.
2013-08-14 19:51
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#282
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Costa Rica Hosh
well that would be cool ya
2013-08-14 22:07
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#77
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Sweden snapzi
Thats good idea for uniform :) 24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6s5nhxXHS1r9..
2013-08-12 23:49
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#78
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Other Meg4troN
you never fail to impress me, although i should add that they make the matchmaking for example for people that pay and just let the community servers for free. regarding the skins, i think in fpsbanana you can get skins for free and you can alter as much on the deagle/T/CT model skins.
2013-08-12 23:51
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#82
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United Kingdom Ivanmt
not in matchmaking, only your own custom servers. And other servers which have those mods installed. You want everyone to have those options because that's how you get people involved. The only time I see custom things installed is when I go into a deathrun server, and the admin is Master Chief or something. It's so rare, and no where near as diverse as TF2 marketplace for instance.
2013-08-12 23:54
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#184
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Other Meg4troN
No i mean skins, like GoldenDGL/pink awp. you can get them from FPSbanana but you will only be able to look at them. no one else.
2013-08-13 07:19
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#245
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f0rest | 
United Kingdom Ivanmt
Still. You want other to see what you're using. Much like in TF2. I think they've got great plans installed for us.
2013-08-13 14:48
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#119
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Costa Rica Hosh
That's my point, why would you pay for something you can get for free without that change, which will make CS like the shitty version of CS-Online
2013-08-13 01:01
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#80
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Sweden blaziiN
they should just quit cs :)
2013-08-12 23:52
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#81
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United Kingdom Ivanmt
Excellent points lurppis, I've been thinking about this for so long and it seems so logical to me. I hope this next update is something grand, otherwise we certainly won't see csgo go free for at least 1-2 more years. Which is sad, because whilst TF2 is big in the community, the esports community is almost non-existent, because the two play styles are completely different from each other. I bet more than 60% people who play TF2 don't even know that it's still being played competitively for great sums of money.
2013-08-12 23:52
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#85
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United Kingdom Gumpster
I know ;) Hence why I enjoyed the recent i46 documentary on America Vs Europe.
2013-08-12 23:55
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#84
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Europe midi
You could sell custom player skins Naturally you should also sell custom weapon skins Smelling CS:Online 2. Nexon should do something like that based on CS:GO for Europe/CIS, in case we want F2P game.
2013-08-12 23:56
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#88
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Poland MaYy
don't you think that it is too late for those things at all? I couldn't realise massive changes like u wrote now. Only one thing could make some changes - free playing for new members, but what with actually players? they need to paid them money back?
2013-08-13 00:01
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#101
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Noppo | 
Japan noppo
Maybe they can get some Gold which you can use in GameStore or get some special skin?
2013-08-13 00:28
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#91
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United Kingdom NipXe
Great read.
2013-08-13 00:12
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#92
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Malaysia NazzzF
New game modes maybe.. Tired of 1 side defensive, other attacking
2013-08-13 00:12
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#220
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United Kingdom shaney
deathmatch demolition
2013-08-13 12:10
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#266
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Russia Saint1
Gungame Jailbreak Surf Hidenseek Wc3mod Jump
2013-08-13 18:31
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#94
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Japan noppo
Counter-Strike:Online is free to play in Asia, and even major weapon (like AWP/AK/M4/Deagle) has to pay for using. There are many kind of skins for Player/Weapon/Spray. Valve should learn how to run business for FPS too. More player, more benefit and more prize.
2013-08-13 00:16
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#97
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Turkey brkbrk
If Valve wants to grow up CS:GO they can do as Dota2. Dota 2 has 500.000 players and it's Valve's game but I can't understand why don't they listen any player's feedback?
2013-08-13 00:19
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#98
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World RDno1
Too late, buddy. Valve won't change their plans now, whatever they have in store.
2013-08-13 00:25
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#141
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United States m0no
Ignorance at it's finest, ladies and gentlemen. Lurrppis is finally getting out the mindset that Valve doesn't listen yet you still want to believe they don't.
2013-08-13 02:15
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#99
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Netherlands woOtbot
Don't think it's ever gonna happen with cs:go, but might happen with future cs title. I'm happy the way things are, it's just more updates required.
2013-08-13 00:25
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#102
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United Kingdom ShAmmeHh
F2P Is such a bad idea..... just constant cheaters forever, no stopping it. Where as dota2 and LoL completely different format its hard to cheat and win. Unless their is some smart idea e.g servers for people who paid for the game and f2p users cant play on those servers unless they pay a fund to let them play on those servers.Or if valve have some awesome anti cheat to stop all the hacks then im happy for it to go f2p. Other than that its just going to be a game that will die as it will constantly have hackers as its a f2p game. My opinion!
2013-08-13 00:28
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#110
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Indonesia sandzetional
I agree. Cheating in MOBA games does not give you a massive advantage as cheating in FPS games like CSGO. There's no cheat that could 1 hit and kill in Dota 2 / LoL. AFAIK, the only cheat I know of is map hacks which is not a big deal if you're a skillful player. While in FPS games, no matter how skillful you are, you won't stand a chance if cheaters kill you in one shot. A superior anti-cheat is needed if CSGO becomes F2P.
2013-08-13 00:44
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#127
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Sweden SEMPLEZZ
Ofc a anti-cheat is needed for CSGO if it becomes F2P - how could that even be a problem?
2013-08-13 01:37
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#134
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Indonesia sandzetional
I'm questioning more about Valve willingness to develop a good AC rather than the existence of the AC itself. Yes, I'm sure AC would be there, but would it be good enough to block cheaters effectively just like the ESEA one? We can't afford playing with decent AC and let cheaters roaming around 24/7 and immediately killing the interest of new players. Throughout the history of VAC, we all know how good VAC is / was. *sarcasm*
2013-08-13 01:57
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#179
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China weikit
Spot on. I feel you bro
2013-08-13 06:11
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#104
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Europe cpsorgrs
Very nice idea lurppis.
2013-08-13 00:35
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#106
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Costa Rica Hosh
I think it's such a bad idea. 1- F2P, Skins, VIP, Private servers and the in-game shop will change Counter-Strike completely. It will attract a new community that with the new changes will push away the old community making the game a mass and destroying the classic game style, pretty much what he is saying is Lets make CS:GO a new attempt to a better version of Counter-Strike Online. which as all of you know that game is the worst version ever. WHY WOULD YOU PAY FOR WHAT YOU ARE ENJOYING FOR FREE NOW? BY ONLY PLAYING THE GAME ONCE. it might grow the competitive scene but it will destroy Counter-Strike and the community itself.
2013-08-13 00:38
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#108
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United Kingdom dannyboy-
Things need to change otherwise the counterstrike scene won't even exist in 18 months time.
2013-08-13 00:42
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Exactly. I don't care if people have hover boots in pubs.
2013-08-13 00:53
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#116
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Costa Rica Hosh
Yes, but who will get the benefits of it? only the Professional gamers, it will grow the competitive scene but it will destroy the old community and game. Do you really want to pay 5$ per month plus a VIP membership and custom skins for playing? you can do it for free without changing the game, an alternative would be making the game FT2 and adding it private servers and Online tournaments, which will make Valve gain twice or more the amount lost.
2013-08-13 00:56
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#221
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United Kingdom shaney
the game doesn't have a solid community to destroy, end of the day skins and such would only be used on public servers. it will only realistically affect the people who have the skins as they look at the pretty gun instead of killing people. The update that looks to be coming shortly will be fantastic and they will make money. I never play public but i will buy the esports case/the key for it because i would be helping the game and when i play deathmatch i will get a pretty gun. Everyone says Valve are uselsss and shit but they wouldn't make the game imbalanced, any update they make will affect only the visuals of the game.
2013-08-13 12:14
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#107
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Ukraine de_nys
I want a Edward beard on my CT skin!!
2013-08-13 00:42
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#109
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United States loomeh
good article lurppis. one thing though, if you think that it's 'next to impossible' to cheat on ESEA client you are mistaken.
2013-08-13 00:44
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#117
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Costa Rica Hosh
You cheat you will get caught in less of a week, Lurppis have been playing in ESEA for a lot of time.
2013-08-13 00:57
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#283
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United States loomeh
less than a week? that's a joke here in the US everyone knows theres kids who are cheating for months before getting banned
2013-08-16 01:52
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#144
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United States m0no
With the exception of people who dedicated themselves to bypassing ESEA's AC such as Organner it is VERY difficult to get past.
2013-08-13 02:16
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#284
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United States loomeh
lol? a known cheat which does bypass like organner means it's still not 'next to impossible' to cheat on client. and organner isn't the only private cheat which can do it it's not like im saying ESEA is filled with cheaters. I'm just saying there are definitely some people who cheat and either go for long periods without getting banned, or who are never banned at all why do you think esea has a 'suspect list' feature? they know the client isn't full proof
2013-08-16 01:54
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#115
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Germany devonSKI
a bazooka A FUCKING BAZOOKA??? seriously? i like the idea of F2p. BUT A BAZOOKA?
2013-08-13 00:51
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Good article, F2P is imo the only option to make the game bigger with the micropayments
2013-08-13 01:03
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#126
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Sweden SEMPLEZZ
+1
2013-08-13 01:33
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#133
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Latvia dudarsky
I don't agree with F2p, then give me my damn money back... is all i'm saying, and i wouldn't spend anything for some micropayments... this isn't dota 2 where you have cool items.
2013-08-13 01:55
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They would need to make something for the players who already have bought the game, that is for sure. Well then they will have to make some "cool" stuff that will make you want it. :)
2013-08-13 03:04
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#166
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Latvia dudarsky
I'd like a smaple of cool stuff, since you can't have things like tf2 has hats or items like dota 2 has, it would make CS:GO look childish. :/
2013-08-13 04:13
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#181
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United States lurppis
i've never understood this mindset so why not try to explain it to me. why should you be entitled to getting your money back? you paid for access to the game before it was made free. i suggested you get an item or two from the store, but why do you feel entitled to something for having spent $5-15 on the game? if you paid $5/a month to get 100gb of google drive for free and then google gave everyone 100gb, would you demand to get your money back? of course not, you paid for a service that wasn't available for free at the time.
2013-08-13 06:45
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#244
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Latvia dudarsky
That just doesn't sound right to me, what item could you even get, it's CS:GO not Dota
2013-08-13 14:37
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#253
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United States lurppis
you paid to get the game, and you got it. valve doesn't owe you anything anymore, if they wanna make it free, it's certainly within their rights. people like you are insanely selfish.
2013-08-13 16:33
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#285
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Latvia dudarsky
That's not selfishness it's equality for everyone. If i had to pay everyone has to pay, that's how the world works.
2013-08-20 17:53
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#286
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United States lurppis
so the red cross shouldn't give water out for free in africa because you need to pay for bottled water in your country? equality bro, that's how the world works!!
2013-08-20 18:02
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#287
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Latvia dudarsky
Don't get so cynical all of a sudden, let's just start with the fact that i don't buy bottled water, i hate the taste of it, i prefer water that isn't filtrated 100000 times and then ozonated. But yeah since water in many countries is for free, then yeah they should keep giving it out. But how dare you compare a video game to actual human life, you're messed up. But back to the point - It is not fair to release a game in f2p after 2 years of it being something which you need to buy. Just think about it, if you can think.
2013-08-20 21:37
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#288
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United States lurppis
you are an idiot. no one owes you anything, you paid to get access to cs:go at one point and that's all - if they want, they can (and should) make the game free to play. your logic is so flawed i don't even know where to begin. ok, let me call up red cross and tell them to stop giving poor people free water then, so mr. dudarsky from latvia doesn't lose sleep over it.
2013-08-20 21:48
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#289
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Latvia dudarsky
You sure are stuborn, Counter-strike was always a game you had to pay to play, they're not gonna make any money from the weapon models anyways, what kind of an idiot would buy those? Well as i said, water is tehnically free for everyone, so calm your tits. You sure got more angry after you lost your pro career.
2013-08-21 03:03
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#290
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United States lurppis
the fact you don't understand how ridiculous your logic is mind-blowing. i didn't lose a pro career, i decided to stop playing - there's a big difference. if i wanted to be pro at cs:go, i would be. difference is that now i can say whatever i want, and it's a lot more fun. you truly are a mega retard.
2013-08-21 05:45
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#291
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Portugal sennsei
1. Should CS:Go be free to play? Yes. 2. Should people who bought the game get something as a token of appreciation? Yes. 3. Should they get money? Or some ingame items? UP TO VALVE! End of discussion, you shouldn't be calling eachother names "oh you're an idiot", "oh you're stuborn", "oh you are mega retard"... Grow up this wont win you any arguments.
2013-08-21 06:18
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#293
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United States lurppis
i won this argument the second i clicked on the comment box. valve doesn't owe anyone anything. you are the kind of morons who probably still bitch about eswc not paying neo & co, even though they went bankrupt...
2013-08-21 06:44
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#122
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Algeria poorAsFuck
luppris you are a wise man :) btw , f2p is a good option cuz i can't afford it lol
2013-08-13 01:10
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#123
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Japan WHISPERZOR
Good Read, Love bazooka! :D sinse dreaming sinse 2005
2013-08-13 01:22
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#128
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Norway puap
Well written! You're doing a great job, luppis!
2013-08-13 01:43
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#129
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Sweden SEMPLEZZ
Lurppis to Valve-president, really. More players -> more money -> bigger tornaments -> bigger crowd because of the epic tournaments -> more players. You get what you give, and what comes around goes around.
2013-08-13 01:44
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#132
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Greece her-1g
those ARE FUCKING AWESOME IDEAS!!! got me excited for sure. i hope valve read this for christ sake.
2013-08-13 01:45
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#136
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World villib
I don't even know if CS:GO at TI4 will be enough for me to watch. The game and the maps are still fucking horrible to watch. Even Source was more pleasant to watch.
2013-08-13 02:05
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#143
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United States m0no
Matter of opinion. I still enjoy watching matches, Source was a lot less enjoyable to watch.
2013-08-13 02:15
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#147
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World villib
Of course it's a matter of opinion. Opinion that 1.6 players share with me. We don't watch CS:GO. Atleast not as much as we want to. We are all waiting for CS:GO to become much better.
2013-08-13 02:25
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#225
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United Kingdom shaney
you say that like a lot of top 1.6 players to play the game. I think you'll find that actually a lot of 1.6 players don't mind watching it or playing it. You have the wrong mindset all together and the community doesn't need people like you
2013-08-13 12:16
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#138
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Indonesia rizkywiraz
i think valve should hire lurppis to be their consultant :p
2013-08-13 02:12
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#139
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Denmark pROXYY[m]
Really good article, i dont see why this shouldent have Valves attention atleast. Please promise me that they will read this Lurpiss, you have come up with some very nice and very realistic ideas.
2013-08-13 02:12
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#146
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Russia d3f /A/
actually valve will NOT support a game with less than 1k players, there is no sence
2013-08-13 02:22
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#148
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Bulgaria J4R
First of all that is an awesome overall view of how things should be. And i agree 100%, sure maybe we won't get as much players as DotA or LoL, but they will grow drasically if they aim at doing those things. And who knows, maybe we'll even get bigger numbers then them. Free to Play would be a great decision, for everybody. Everyone would have the luxury of testing the game and see how it is, how it works, how it feels. And numbers will grow. Yeah, ok, there will be lots and lots of cheaters and hackers, but if a decent anti-cheat is created like you said, i really do not see the problem, sure even then there would be some, but there were professional cheaters caught in 1.6 all the time so it's pretty normal. Also the idea of a bazooka is so freakin cool :D, i mean let's have some fun... Like the Zombie or Kreedz, or the Hide'N'Seek mods we had in CS1.6. I think the only thing that CS:GO needs right now is to get some attention... Again like you said IEM or ESWC would be perfect just one of them would be enough to get the public interested and if it's free people would just say "sure why not let's give it a go". The idea of getting feedback from players is.. well probably the most obvious thing. The micropayment is a great idea it works with DotA and LoL and so many other games even with the FPS ones like Combat Arms etc. Good read lurppis, nice one.
2013-08-13 02:26
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lurppis, we all thought the same way you did.. atleast me.. But.... DOTA2 is a 3rd person top view game and CS is First person shooter.... Selling custom skins or stuffs like that will not get much sales and it has a high chance to clash with gameplay ... Valve has a really good marketing team/ PR and even psychologists to read the community's mind. They worked through all this and dropped this game for further investment... Everyone wants to make money, if Valve had seen a possibilitgy to make money they would have jumped into it..I think you need to come with a more stable solution to make money from it by making it Free To play.... Your points are good, but I dono how it will work on large scale
2013-08-13 02:44
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#151
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Costa Rica madka
I'm going to help Lurppis here and just say: TF2.
2013-08-13 02:51
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Lol, how does TF2 work?
2013-08-13 02:58
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#155
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Costa Rica madka
Google it my friend, I won't do it for you.
2013-08-13 03:04
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5 replies
Na, I am good :D
2013-08-13 03:17
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#182
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United States lurppis
TF2 was as good as dead for years, it wasn't popular and had few tournaments. Valve then made it free-to-play, its player numbers jumped to above CS 1.6 at times and it started getting tournaments (e.g. ESEA) all of a sudden. Now it has items you can buy that Valve presumably makes a killing from, and the game is much more popular than before.
2013-08-13 06:53
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but was it in real esports and world scene like CS, cuz i really wonder how new skins and mods will affect the strats and gameplay of the teams....probably camaflouge skins for each map (if they dont haev that already) wuold be one good thing to sell
2013-08-13 16:37
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#256
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United States lurppis
obviously those skins would be turned off in competitive games so you couldn't get an advantage out of them. selling something that gives someone an advantage is a BAD idea.
2013-08-13 17:10
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yeah. I really feel what u r trying to say.. its so annoying that we dono whats valve thinking, they r not opening it up...! m 100% sure what u post or we comment here is not going to make any difference... Cuz the community pours in millions of Ideas and valve dont even respond.
2013-08-13 19:15
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#150
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Iran Tripleftw
enjoyed reading this, 100% agree AND Thank u lurppis for posts like this..we really need this, many ppl got this stuff in their head but there is few who actually write about it and makes valve to look at cs, if it wasnt for Posts like this, we didnt have this Silencer update coming soon
2013-08-13 02:44
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#152
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ZELIN | 
Portugal Cyborgy
f*ck valve.. they had one great game it was called counter-strike: 1.6, and they just didn't do anything right after that....... shame on u v4lv3
2013-08-13 02:52
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#161
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Serbia shakal1993
+1
2013-08-13 03:18
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#156
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Poland Baaq
lol lurppis knew about it
2013-08-13 03:07
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#157
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Dominican Republic blabla666
haha
2013-08-13 03:08
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#158
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Belgium kylokylo
so lurppis wants to play cs with a bazooka, also there should be railgun, c4, helicopters, airstrikes oh wait... brb going to play some call of duty
2013-08-13 03:14
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yeah, except you can use those in CoD competitive play
2013-08-13 03:25
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#170
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Belgium kylokylo
no you can't you stupid 'murican
2013-08-13 04:52
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well okay then what the fuck are you complaining about if you can't even use them in competitive play?
2013-08-13 05:28
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nice lurrppis
2013-08-13 03:25
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#164
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Europe suicide'
nice article, I fully agree, f2p and a few major tournaments would give the scene a massive boost. there are still a lot of potential fps players out there, valve just need to move.
2013-08-13 03:30
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#165
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Brazil MatheuZiq
gr8
2013-08-13 04:11
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#169
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Malta sinapsii
this is the most retarded article from lurppis yet regarding this issue
2013-08-13 04:47
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#176
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Belgium smiTTe
THIS Why would you give money to some shitty skins, hats, models... if you can get them for free on fpsbanana or other sites. Making this game f2p would destroy it even more like it happened with TF2. To have a decent competitive side of the game you would need 2 versions of the game 1 clean, competitive, abstract mode and another 'fun', public, hat-friendly mode. Ofcourse the player population would raise but the quality doesn't get better due it. It's just a shame VALVe is taking so long to develop some good competitive FPS game. It's a shame they even had the balls to ask money for the game a year back if you see where they are now. It's still not great and it maybe never will if they keep focusing on the player population instead of the quality of the product they're selling. LESS QUANTITY MORE QUALITY Then you can expect, competitive minded, people to like your product even more.
2013-08-13 05:43
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#177
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Sweden noobzoris
F2p would make the game grow and hopefully attracting more viewers to streams and so on. I don't see the harm, stick to ESEA and you'll be fine.
2013-08-13 05:58
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#229
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Malta sinapsii
What u said made more sense than what lurppis posted. You are 100% right on everything you said.
2013-08-13 12:25
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#257
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United States lurppis
others can't see the skins you can download for free at fpsbanan or any other site similar to it. tf2 got a LOT more popular when it became free-to-play, and as a result still is played competitively - esea even announced a european division for it today. tf2 actually proves that the micropayment model can work just as well for fps games, too.
2013-08-13 17:12
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#178
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Sweden noobzoris
2013-08-13 06:00
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#183
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Peru Leko
:/
2013-08-13 07:13
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#263
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Belgium smiTTe
M4A4 | Faded Zebra WHOOWHOOW... This game is doomed
2013-08-13 18:01
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#264
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Sweden noobzoris
hahah
2013-08-13 18:18
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#187
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Other skaven
the first thing you need is for valve to start fucking interacting with the community. btw, nice article lurrpis. i mostly agree.
2013-08-13 08:16
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#189
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Turkey sharnV
Nice article but this is too much for valve. Firstly they should bring silencer back.
2013-08-13 08:50
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#190
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Australia decap
i think valve has the experience to make the right business decisions and has been making them so far. imo unless you're at the valve headquarters having open discussions with the dev team, you can't necessarily know where this game is going to be in x days/months/years, only (make an)ass(out of)u(and)me. there are a lot of people who need to look outside of the square they're thinking in and appreciate some of the great changes/innovations valve have achieved so far in csgo. for them this is most likely like walking on ice, and alsso the first time they've developed a game with this approach
2013-08-13 08:51
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#201
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United States lurppis
great changes/innovations valve have achieved? give me a break, they said they would release the game when it was ready, then charged money for a poor, broken product and now are slowly starting to hopefully go in the right direction... maybe. as shown in the weapon balance article, their updates have actually made the balance worse. there is nothing great about the progress they've made so far. i don't think valve are making the right business decisions because i don't think they care about cs - they may as well have access to the fed to just print money with how much revenue steam brings in. however, they could make tons of money with cs:go as well, if they wanted to step into it, which would benefit everyoneinvolved.
2013-08-13 09:34
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there is nothing great about the progress they've made so far. exactly my thoughts. People say: it took 1000 years to get to 1.6. IMO GO was better during Beta, than it is now. Esp. around march/april. Remember the linux wallbanging-bug? Everyone shouted they should IMPLEMENT it into win-servers. What did they do? Fix the bug. :D I honestly don't get it...imo CS:GO didn't show positive progress at all. They "fix" one thing, break 10 other things. I've gone through old steam forum threads from me. One was about implementing a sound, when the bomb gets picked up ( 3rd person sound...). A dev wrote that they'd look into it for the next update. That was april 2012. There's still no fucking bomb-pickup sound ...but at least they kept the bomb-planting sound up till now. ( not to mention: they still haven't removed the ambience sound on d2, like they did with all _se maps...) I hope this update fixes a lot of the shit...
2013-08-13 10:52
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#214
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United States lurppis
i honestly just think they lack leadership and vision. if they hired someone with a clear vision on how to make the game better and he was given coders to make it happen, cs:go could become super popular. filed under: if only...
2013-08-13 11:18
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Yep. It's pretty clear they don't have a "red line" they are following.
2013-08-13 11:39
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#191
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Taiwan rah(-_-)
cs is dead gg
2013-08-13 08:52
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#193
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Hungary andris93
If the game will be f2p, valve should give permanent "vip/premium" to people who bought the game, and make the skins etc avalaible to 1 month after purchase, because if the skins and etc are permanent everybody buy it once and then the money will stop flowing. The biggest problem would be the CHEATERS and making the game not PAY2WIN. But the big update is coming. I hope it won't be a failure. :)
2013-08-13 09:01
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#195
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Ukraine lukas_ua
1. 150k from Payback is like a salary for a couple of new developers, maybe three. it would take their lifetimes to implement even some of those features that are discussed on these forums. 2. TF2 is free. do they have major events? 3. majors are played 5vs5 on competitive maps. how many from those mere mortals can select in mm? 4. half of the market is Eastern Europe and Asia. how many servers there to enjoy the game with pings like 30, so that people would like to buy extra items in addition to the smooth gameplay? 5. even with sponsors backup which should mean at least decent equipment at venues we always have pauses because game has crashed. why the game crashes? is it broken or something? it all just looks like Valve has so much to do that it is next to impossible.
2013-08-13 09:04
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#197
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Denmark crZy
It sounds to be lurppis, as if your already forgetting Copenhagen Games - which had the same prizepool of like 70.000$. What CS:GO needs is Valve to be more involved, and host their own project The International, also the medal that these guys win, it shows alot to the audience, and you are "proud" to carry it home. We need major events, besides the ones we already have (DH, ESWC, Cph Games) with even larger prizepools - maybe doing something unique, as they do in TI3 - do something for the spectators and not only the community, we need to get everyone to get excited about the game, otherwise no money will come, at all.
2013-08-13 09:18
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#199
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United States lurppis
actually copenhagen games prize pool was 33,000 euros, or $43,900 - less than the first place prize would be in my imaginary major event. it's also a byoc event, which takes the prestige down to about 10% in comparison to other tournaments.
2013-08-13 09:30
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#198
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Saint Vincent and the Grenadines ALLAHTARES
I don't care about fucking esports (you might ask wtf am I doing here then, well I like to check what's going on time to time), massive tourneys, big stream numbers, etc. I've been having a lot of fun playing on MM with friends and F2P (which is the worst thing ever an online game could become) would destroy the game completely, especially with the same good old VAC delays the bans. 10 years old hacker kids everywhere! If you can't pay $15 ($5 on sales lol) for a game, I think you shouldn't play it. So F2P can fuck off. I think CS pros should convert themselves to MOBA players, that's where the money is you know and CS or any FPS game won't ever reach them now, sad but true. F2P won't add anything but (more) hackers.
2013-08-13 09:33
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#200
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Poland RuN[t]
WOOOOOOHOOOOOOO let's make cs:go f2p - say more russians cheat
2013-08-13 09:31
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#202
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World Wasdlk
Why re-invent the wheel all the time? Look at EVO for instance and how they manage to raise money. For those that don't know, EVO is the largest fighting game tournament in the world. Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition, Marvel vs. Capcom and such. The community is very supporting and donate a lot of money themselves, and the sponsors are good to follow. This year at EVO 2013, the eighth game was voted on by players via online donations and all proceeds went to the breast cancer research foundation. The eventual winner of the poll was Super Smash Bros. Melee with $94.683 raised for that game, and the total amount of donations was $222.744. Donations mind you, not something that went to the prize pool and there aren't that many players, I can tell you that. A mere 16 are registered on the XBOX, PS3 and PC platform for SSIV:AE in Denmark for instance, with 6750 players worldwide. For raising money competitors pay $50, spectators at the venue in Las Vegas pay $20 and a one-day-pass for the finals costs $40 (2013 prices). The total prize pool for EVO 2012 was $100.000, I'm not sure what is was for 2013. You can see how it looks here. youtube.com/watch?v=ULMahkIjBeE shoryuken.com/2013/02/01/fighting-game-f..
2013-08-13 09:34
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#203
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Hungary tfgpro
tons of cheaters.. and tons of russians coming.. :((
2013-08-13 09:46
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#207
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Slovakia Fetrvewtweb
because for russians this is just a game in which they want fun, cheating is pretty funny
2013-08-13 10:26
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#262
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United Kingdom OMGitsDN
yea you are more than right, every f2p game has many cheaters, cuz they can always make a new account.
2013-08-13 17:44
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#206
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Slovakia Fetrvewtweb
TLDR ONCE AGAIN, DELETE MY FREE SPEECH ZIONISTS lol
2013-08-13 10:25
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#209
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Poland Szeryf120
gj lurppis I always like to read what you write.
2013-08-13 10:45
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#211
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Russia Seberg
One of the best articles I've seen so far on CS:GO out here. Along with statistics on weapons. All Hail Lurppis!
2013-08-13 10:54
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#215
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Sweden sandnigger
fix the goddamn game first
2013-08-13 11:26
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#217
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Poland micronn
Nice and interesting. I think it will be new section in csgo workshop and about "skins". People will make skins, sell it and half money will go for the prize pools, similar to Operation Payback thing. Right now we have only maps in there: steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse?appid.. I hope they will release something more, like movement, aimpunch and sound tweaks.
2013-08-13 11:42
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#227
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Portugal gon4alo
As I've mentioned before in related topics I support the following interventions to the game: - crowd funded tournaments: seems to be happening in the next update! :) - premium subscription to high quality MM servers with enhanced player profiles / statistics / access to ladders / tournaments. - micropayment for *some* items. I'm not a huge fan of skins if that changes player visibility but I can see weapon skins happening, and I'm certainly no fan of custom in-game items as that might make the play chaotic and unbalanced. OK for custom / fun maps I guess. I do see a market for maps that become part of the MM rotation. We get classic maps for free (d2, nuke, inferno, mirage, etc..), but new ubber-cool maps that go into MM must be purchased for a small amount. I can also see players buying a "spray can" with 500 sprays for 2€ or something like that. Bottom line.. As long as we generate enough money to keep the CS:GO development team running I'm sure we'll see the game improving more and more.
2013-08-13 12:18
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#231
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Poland ilovecookies
There is something in the business plan of Valve I simply can't understand. On the one hand they make a hell of a good job with DotA2 - they've made the game freemium, implemented a plethora of features which already makes LoL pale in comparison with Valve's product. DotA2 is bound to be THE moba and Riot doesn't stand a chance at this point. On the other hand, CS:GO is nothing more than a half-assed game, virtually a joke compared to what 1.6 used to be. The company had the resources and know-how to make this game work and dominate the FPS genre, but let this potential go to waste, I mean seriously - we're yet to see the silencer in the game. I just don't get it, why companies throw away chances to capitalize on the popularity and the status of their titles. Valve is nowhere near being the worst culprit out there, which is, in my eyes, ID Software. They had the opportunity to bring Quake3 back to the esport world in all its glory, but decided to turn the game into a massive middle finger pointed at the Quake scene. Come to think of it, maybe the CS community is lucky that Valve spared us the QuakeLive treatment.
2013-08-13 12:46
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#232
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United States lurppis
the difference between cs:go and dota 2 is simple: icefrog runs dota 2 and valve has zero people working for them who understand cs. that's why cs:go struggles and dota 2 does great. if only valve understood it...
2013-08-13 12:48
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Yep. It's not like Valve has morons working for them.... they simply don't understand CS and what makes it so great. 1.6 was such an interesting game, due to all it's mechanics and little "bugs" and whatnot... CS:GO is really straight forward. And straight forward is boring. At least for me. tbh.... even if it goes f2p now and everything, i doubt it will reach big numbers. I'd be surprised if it surpasses TF2.
2013-08-13 12:52
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#239
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World LETITBE
you just need bring 1.6 every of your comments..
2013-08-13 13:46
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2 replies
Sorry im not comparing it with CoD. Wtf...
2013-08-13 13:54
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#243
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World LETITBE
...
2013-08-13 14:12
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Why is it that CS players seems to make demands of people to host something for them?
2013-08-13 13:14
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#259
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United States lurppis
other games' players don't need to make demands; the publishers already do it for them.
2013-08-13 17:14
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#237
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Portugal gold01
Nice read.
2013-08-13 13:42
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#238
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Taiwan Loveheart
I'm sure more than half of us here who paid for the darn game wouldn't mind Valve making CS:GO F2P if it means more players coming in and more tourneys to look forward to.
2013-08-13 13:42
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#261
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United Kingdom OMGitsDN
free to play = hackers
2013-08-13 17:41
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#242
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Poland dislodgE-
Nice read, but have you ever wondered why would Valve listen to community which constantly brings down everything they do? Even de_mirage - they made it look more interesting, but all I heard was just a non-stop flame, because it was not 1:1 with an unofficial mirage. I think the problem is that (1) people want cs:go to be 1.6 (2) 1.6 was designed to be as good as can be. GO is designed to be as suitable for the people, as can be. I guess this is the moment when you start to feel that listening to community is not always a great idea.
2013-08-13 13:58
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#258
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United States lurppis
they made mirage look like shit, not more interesting. their level designer must be color blind, there is no other plausible explanation to how cs:go looks.
2013-08-13 17:14
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#247
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Slovenia yung_voodoo
raise your f2p
2013-08-13 15:05
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#249
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Faroe Islands emeliie
swedish police would be an awesome model janmilld.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/pol..
2013-08-13 15:20
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#250
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Sweden BenneDoT
"Here's a customer for a Polish police skin " hehe, i would totally buy skins ^^
2013-08-13 15:50
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#252
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Sweden Kv1st
Costume stuff would only work if there was a way to turn it of. Coz I would definetly stop playing if there started be friggin pink guns going around. It's just silly!
2013-08-13 16:07
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#260
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United Kingdom OMGitsDN
Free-to-play = much more hackers, aim boters and so on, coz if you will get banned it will be easy to make another acc and still play using hacks. Also why I had to buy a game which will be free soon? that's a bit weird, they should give us something in return, like premium skin or smth... just for the ppl who actually bought the game before free2play. Thats my opinion.
2013-08-13 17:39
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#267
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Russia Saint1
I have a feeling that valve has already discussed this amongst themselves and are waiting for a good time to announce their plans Good writeup lurppis
2013-08-13 18:32
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#270
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World hype-
If Valve truly cared about CS:GO, they wouldn't have given it to a fucking strategy/tower defense maker like HPE. That decision completely ruined counter-strike from the start. How can you possibly expect the developers at HPE to understand what makes the counter-strike franchise enjoyable? Utterly ridiculous. Watching the I3 left me feeling disgusted. I wanted to quit counter-strike for good. The type of production that went on for the I3 was mind blowing. Great writeup lurppis. Like you, I have very little faith left in Valve to accomplish anything.
2013-08-13 19:29
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#272
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Germany Mordax
"CS:GO's biggest problem has been its inability to attract new gamers" How about making the game so good, so people from 1.6 and source change over to cs:go? If you look at the steam graph, you will see that this would triple the playerbase. We don't need new players, getting the active cs players is enough and I am sure it would snowball after that point. And we need 128tick at least for those who are good enough to feel how bad the 64tick servers are.
2013-08-13 20:19
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#273
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Norway kSwitch #
Thanks for a good read :)
2013-08-13 20:19
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#277
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Brazil targetdown
Freetoplay NICE
2013-08-14 02:27
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#278
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World LETITBE
HLTV.ORG JERSEYS TO CSGO!!!!!!!!!
2013-08-14 11:55
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#279
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Canada tonydatiger
[quote]You have to spend money to make money, and Valve must realize that.[/quote] Late reply: Valve is a privately-owned company worth 3 billion dollars. Gabe Newell's net worth is 1.5 billion. Don't you think they already know that? That sentence made me puke. C'mon lurppiss....
2013-08-14 15:54
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#281
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Other kROZEN
F2P won't be good. Only if it is like DotA2. Spam dem keys.
2013-08-14 21:31
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#292
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Zana | 
Portugal sennsei
Going F2P after 1+ year to send "beta" keys? What???
2013-08-21 06:23
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