New de_cache version released

26-7-2013 00:10

Shawn "FMPONE" Snelling and Sal "Volcano" Garozzo have released a new version of de_cache that is more suitable to competitive play and has a cleaner design.

Back in December, Garozzo put together a CS:GO version of de_cache, a map he himself had created for CS:Source in 2010 and that became very popular, especially in the North American scene.

It did not take long for tournaments to pick the map up, with de_cache being included in the map pool of several major tournaments, such as ESWC, RaidCall EMS One and ESEA Invite.

Several improvements were made to the map

With the community still eagerly waiting for Colin "Brute" Volrath to release a CS:GO version of de_tuscan, Shawn "FMPONE" Snelling, the creator of cs_musem, the top rated map on the map workshop, reached out to Garozzo and they both worked on a new version of de_cache.

"Before I was involved at all with Cache, I wanted to work with Sal (Volcano), who of course created it," Snelling told ESEAnews.com. "Before I had anything to do with Cache, I felt it had the potential to be a truly classic map.

"I’ve always recognized that Sal is a genius with map design, especially considering his professional experience with Counter-Strike. What he can accomplish, and what he has accomplished, by getting Cache to level of respect within the Counter-Strike community that it currently enjoys, is nothing short of a miracle.

"You have to keep in mind that Counter-Strike is an old community, and simply put the toughest community I’ve ever seen, in terms of their reaction to crap. If you don’t do your job correctly in the Counter-Strike world, forget it, you’re done – and the community will be sure to let you know what they think of you. It’s a very tough crowd.

"So, Sal had my respect from day one, and I reached out to him to work on an all-new, original project… but Matt Wood of Valve suggested that I actually work with Sal on Cache first. In hindsight it’s been a brilliant suggestion, so thanks to Matt, and to Magnar, Vitaly, and everybody else at Valve for staying so involved in this game. It has meant a lot, and they’re a big inspiration for me."

As you can see, this new version of de_cache even has the backing of Valve itself, so you can expect a lot of good things from it. Snelling also revealed that he is currently working with Garozzo on a completele original map, "something we know has to raise the bar not just from Cache, but from Counter-Strike competitive maps in general."

Below you can find a video that explains in detail the differences between the old de_cache version and the new one:

You can download the newly-revamped de_cache by going here.

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2013-07-26 01:10

3 replies

Where is TUSCAN?!?!

2013-07-26 01:36

2 replies

WE MISS TUSCAN GUYS !!!

2013-07-26 11:08

1 reply

true... it shouldn't take a year to make a fucking map that already has a solid concept and design. All they need to do is translate it for csgo mechanics...

2013-07-26 14:20

my fps T___T

6 replies

should be better than before

2013-07-26 01:13

rly? 0_o

Yes :D

2013-07-26 01:14

should be the same as dust2

2013-07-26 01:35

2013-07-26 02:32

+1.6

2013-07-26 10:04

gj better than old !

2013-07-26 01:15

good map

2013-07-26 01:16

looks awesome, well done.

2013-07-26 01:17

2013-07-26 11:23

will try tomorrow ;]

2013-07-26 01:18

Valve must incluse all of new maps and edited ones to MM

on the german cs website 99damage they said that this map will be included to mm maybe

2013-07-26 11:47

Not bad

2013-07-26 01:22

lol

;)

Looks brilliant

2013-07-26 01:20

I'm offended by the communist symbol. :|

2013-07-26 01:23

39 replies

why?

2013-07-26 01:55

33 replies

Latvians don't like russians neither Russian Latvians (Latvians who's mother tongue is Russian) and especially Latvians didn't and still don't like USSR.

2013-07-26 02:21

20 replies

Dude, it's a game.

2013-07-26 03:29

12 replies

because u guys didn't suffer from communist oppression that's why dudarsky got offended maybe.

2013-07-26 13:35

11 replies

No, we didn't suffer from communist oppression. Doesn't change the fact that it's a game. It's like saying that Wolfenstein is offending because there are nazis in it. Please separate reality from fiction.

2013-07-26 15:52

10 replies

and that's why they had to change the game for some countries. at the beggining of bishock infinite there's a baptism and some people got offended and got a refund for the game. people have their beliefs, and i think a game should respect that. pretty simple. if you don't get offended, good for you! but since you have your opinion, respect other people and their opinions.

2013-07-26 16:30

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So now because a game is banned or censored it means that the people are right to do so ? When did I say that I don't respect other people's opinions ? The way I see it, it's rather people who ask for a ban or a censorship because of their beliefs who don't respect other people's opinion ^^. Anyone has the right to create things based on reality. The fact that your beliefs go against it doesn't make yourself in a righteous position more than anyone.

2013-07-26 16:55

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a simples example: in my country, anything related to nazism is a crime. my opinion matters in that case? and yeah, i really think that the person envolved in the creation of such 'realisic piece' should know how that it can affect some people. it's not like 'ok, let's sue him', but he can be a little smarter and do a simble that looks like anything related to comunism or USSR or whatever, but not itself. it's pretty easy to respect others beliefs.

2013-07-26 17:52

In my country, racism, xenophobia or any kind of encouragement to violence and hatred is a crime. But fortunately we don't ban any movie, or book or whatever which TALKS ABOUT nazism... Otherwise historians and people wanting to make an original work involving history from that period would be criminals, which is completely ridiculous... Does your opinion matter ? About what ? If it's about arguing that Wolfenstein should be banned because it has nazi symbols in it, yes it matters, but no more than anyone else. And it's not because a majority of people in your country thinks that it should be banned that it should. If you ban Wolfenstein then you should ban as well "American History X" ?? The most popular movie made against racism and nazism ? Because what's in it is a LOT worse than what you can find in Wolfenstein believe me ^^. And concerning a mapmaker, I don't know what he should be smarter about... If his idea is to involve gunfights in ruins from the USSR period, why the hell should he change the symbol ? There is no statement or image or anything claiming that USSR should be reestablished or something like that. It's just the logo ! You're saying that it's a mark of disrespect to be truthful about history ? I'm French, my great parents knew the World War II and the occupation by Nazis. Should I ask for a refund or a ban every time I buy a game where I see a Nazi symbol ? Please, let's be serious...

2013-07-26 21:44

a large text proving that you didn't even get what i was trying to say. usually mouth > brain = problem.

2013-07-26 22:27

You know usually, when people fail to understand you, it means that you didn't explain enough, well, or both. But I know, thinking the other one is stupid is much easier ^^.

2013-07-27 06:59

so soviet rule was fiction? ok i get it!

2013-07-26 19:28

Please don't play the guy who didn't get it... The map is the fiction... Soviet rule was the reality. Imagine you're a writer and want to write a novel taking place during the Vietnam war. On the cover you choose to display the Vietnam's flag burning. Is it wrong ? Should Vietnamese sue you or ban your book ? Absolutely not, you're making a FICTION ! It doesn't mean you're thinking that Vietnam should be wiped out of the surface of the earth !!!

2013-07-26 21:50

dont try to discuss with them, they are brainwashed. Lets ban the entire game because killing, buying military guns from black market, planting bombs is a crime and we kill, buy guns and plant bombs in the game. I got parents killed by terrorism so replace terrorists with teddy bears and play happy.

2013-07-27 00:13

my bad but. i think you overreacted more than that latvian guy. haha!

2013-07-27 18:14

You're weird

2013-07-26 03:54

Well,im just sayin ._. Im Russian anyway,so calm c:

2013-07-26 04:46

Russia love you too

2013-07-26 07:43

You are only 14. All you know about communism was years before you. And you offended? You weird

2013-07-26 10:07

so we have to live in ice age to know what ice age was?

2013-07-26 12:50

you offened by the ice age? oh boy

2013-07-28 20:45

I haven't said anything about my USSR knowledge.I just said an fact how it is.

2013-07-26 13:20

If there was a Nazi symbol, would that make any difference to you?

2013-07-26 10:30

For me no - comunism and nazism are the same socialistic shit with some tiny differences.

2013-07-26 11:01

Good then.

2013-07-26 11:50

I'd find it weird that we're against Nazi terrorists in CS.. but it'd be cool to see a new faction

2013-07-26 12:47

no its just a symbol.. in a game and i dont think there anything glorifying about it.

2013-07-26 12:49

Well since the nazis didn't kill any Latvians, and never occupied us to the point that we lost all of our rights and freedoms, then yes I personally would be ok with that.

2013-07-26 16:20

Because communists killed countless Baltic people, deported them to Sibiria where most of them died, and only a lucky few returned after the fall of communism. And because we were occupied by communists they took away our freedom of free speech, human rights and anything really..

2013-07-26 16:18

yes i can understand that but the symbol ingame doesnt show it like its something good..

2013-07-26 16:46

But it's double standarts, i see plenty of people crying when a nazi symbol is shown in a video game, but they can show communist symbols that's just not right. But anyways i understand that they are portrayed here like terrorists etc.

2013-07-26 16:51

Wow dude, you're really really brainwashed, take some history lessons before post bs like this.

2013-07-26 19:14

Lets ban the entire game because killing, buying military guns from black market, planting bombs is a crime and we kill, buy guns and plant bombs in the game. I got parents killed by terrorism so replace terrorists with teddy bears and play happy.

2013-07-27 00:15

Did you have freedom of free speech, human rights, or anything really, in Latvia before communism? I doubt that.

2013-07-27 04:39

I think it's just for fun, I like it.

2013-07-26 05:01

Dude, the "location" of the map is Russia

2013-07-26 06:22

Take it easy, just easy. Calm down, bro.

2013-07-26 10:27

Said the country with waffen SS parades.

2013-07-26 20:02

Different story.

2013-07-28 03:17

all community waiting for tuscan, but ppl still working on cache and other shity maps

2013-07-26 01:24

2013-07-26 01:27

2013-07-26 05:10

Because every developer is working on tuscan... retard.

2013-07-26 07:59

For a year? Yeah, right.

it was sarcasm, only brute working on tuscan, try next time TURN ON YOURS BRAIN

2013-07-26 11:16

nice to see how much better the maps produced by people who actually play the game are

2013-07-26 01:28

anyone got a link to the vod of the podcast? I didnt find it.. I've always watched it from carns channel on twitch but it's not there as it has been before. I know they havent released the youtube version yet.

2013-07-26 01:29

Go to his channel and you can find it in the videos section in the top right if you open up the livestream.

2013-07-26 02:03

did that, its not there.

2013-07-26 03:09

volcano with fmpone should remake train from scratch

We don't care about graphics or detail, wtf are there wires running on the ground, Why are there tarps on the boxes when it could just be a white box, makes no sense. Atleast they did improve it.

2013-07-26 01:30

18 replies

I completely agree. Wish more maps would look like mirage_ce. Simple, with no unnecessary graphic details or objects.

2013-07-26 01:45

8 replies

That's what you want, but the majority of cs players are casual. This is a great competitive map with the esthetics of a game of today.. I applaud these initiatives! We need new maps!! Fps are great on this map!, so don't whine plz.. It's a good competitive map with esthetics that would appeal the casual gamer, win-win! Instant fav for me.

2013-07-26 02:08

7 replies

game of today?who the fuck cares about current fps who never reached even the kneels of 1.6 or even source if that is?

2013-07-26 03:39

Come, join us in the 21st century! It's prettier here!

2013-07-26 08:01

I love you for this comment :D

2013-07-26 22:34

mad?

2013-07-26 10:02

Thats not the point.. To be a popular shooter the casuals need to come to make this thing bigger than it is now. Casuals want some nice graphics. As long as they maps are about the same fps as dust2 no one should complain! The map looks stunning and plays great, so whats your problem? Did you even try it???

2013-07-26 12:02

Seriously, when did I whine? I said "I wish..". Anyway, I understand that maps need to look nice for the sake of casual players and new players. But I still think the map creators and valve(especially valve) just can't ignore what the majority of professional players want. Take the community mirage vs valves mirage as an example, how many professional player like valves version? And how often is it played in tournaments? But don't get me wrong, Volcano and co have done a great job with this map :)

2013-07-26 14:04

Well the mirage version got drastic changes which made it bad, this cache change just made it look nicer overall in my opinion and they also took some important game play changes into account, these 2 guys should definitely be working on every single map (first change train!) to make them even better. GJ GUYS

2013-07-26 21:08

Yes, because the game would be attractive to everyone if they were no detail/graphics on all maps. The game needs detail and good graphics to be able to stand a chance against COD/BF/whatever, just take a look at 1.6. Game didnt really attract youngsters since the graphics were outdated as fuck.

2013-07-26 02:47

1.6 had most tournaments and players in his latest years..youre wrong :/

2013-07-26 03:40

But it didn't ATTRACT new players, the reason why 1.6 was so popular is that it already had a large, devoted playerbase. Fucking moron. CS:GO needs to attract new players because lets face it, it will take some time before the third world country players can afford a pc that is able to run CSGO. Thats probably why so many of them still play 1.6, no other choice.

2013-07-26 08:22

keep telling that to ur self son.

2013-07-26 09:45

What? Im not the one crying for a DEAD game

2013-07-26 10:47

people play what they like no one is crying

2013-07-26 11:30

Sure, but you realize most pro players were above 22 right? I mentioned youngsters, not the people who have been playing since they were 11. Take a look at COD or CSS back before CSGO, CSS had a much higher audience of young people than CS 1.6 had. You'd also notice 13 year old comments on youtube on fragclips from 1.6 saying "shit graphics, shit game" and sure, they're retarded for saying that because we all know gameplay > graphics, but it still doesnt change the FACT that a game NEEDS good graphics to stand a chance and attract a young audience.

2013-07-26 20:54

I agree. And as unbiased as I usually am... it's the 1.6 mentality that is killing this game. I'm not sayin 1.6 isn't a good game, I'm saying that cs:go and 1.6 is not the same game.. if you like 1.6 and hate cs:go, then go back to the 1.6 community and try to revive it... otherwise lets work together to build this game called cs:go

2013-07-26 12:10

true. and they should realize that cs:go was made to become the successor of css and cs1.6 not be like 1.6 or source. lolololololo

2013-07-26 13:44

GJ VOLCANO

Now the next map please :-)

2013-07-26 01:37

looks pretty good :-) keep it on! tuscan? :D

2013-07-26 01:48

Awesome job!

2013-07-26 02:04

Even the layout is improved... stop complaining and actually give it a try. :)

2013-07-26 02:29

Played a game on it earlier and loved it - much better than the old one in every way.

2013-07-26 02:30

Very nice!

2013-07-26 02:33

shame this wasnt done with mirage before valve got their clueless hands on it :(

Even thought map textures looks like awfull shit and unwatchable, I think some of the changes are good like removing HS boxes etc.

2013-07-26 02:51

just played it, its quite nice!

2013-07-26 02:58

great map!! and the fps are awesome too!!

2013-07-26 03:19

no fog,god bless you

2013-07-26 03:21

very nice, but i thought volcano was working on his rework of train after he'd done with nuke & cache?

2013-07-26 03:24

more fog, chickens and small corridors please.

2013-07-26 03:36

awesome!

2013-07-26 03:52

I like the aesthetic changes to suit the dumb cs go movement system so big +1 on that. But the map eats my fps. Especially mid. probably because of all those unnecessary tower's in the background? 50 fps drop in both bombsites and a 100 fps drop in mid is pretty significant especially on a mid to low end pc which still a lot of people have. :(

2013-07-26 04:13

the map was tested and they concluded that fps had little to no change from the old version after optimisation. if you cant run a map like this then you shouldn't be playing CSGO. simple as

2013-07-26 05:25

I'm giving my feedback. Simple as that. Going from 200fps average on the old one to just over 100 is a significant difference. They said it would give more fps, or have no difference, In my case it doesn't so I want to see if others are in the same boat... pretty basic hey mate? No one cares if people who were getting 400fps average can still get 350+ because it makes no difference to people on high end pcs. It does however (at least in my case, make a difference on a mid range PC)

2013-07-26 06:20

if you are still getting over 100 fps then i dont know what you are complaining for? if you were using a 120hz monitor and are getting under 100 fps then id be moaning aswell, but if you are getting around 120 or more theres really no reason to complain. besides, you could always upgrade :D

2013-07-26 07:13

I don't play enough to warrant an upgrade :) just casually here and there when i feel like it. ~150 average is more than enough for this game casually. I don't have a 120hz monitor but i do notice the difference when i dip below ~120 frames. and on this new cache just running through mid in my own server i got 90fps D: , yet the old one in mid is 200 in my own serv. Anyway, the main point is that they said it would be the same or more. To me it seems like they only tested with pros / invite players who all usually have the top of the line gear and ofc it's not going to change much for them coz they are already maxing this game out. :)

2013-07-26 07:24

Looks so nice!

2013-07-26 04:27

great improvement. i hope leagues pick up this new version over the old and ill definately play it more.

still no tuscan

2013-07-26 06:52

nice. looking forward to the new map

2013-07-26 07:17

Volcano, remake train

2013-07-26 08:08

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1

2013-07-26 21:41

Looks fucking great!! good job!

2013-07-26 08:24

i hope they make the maps with thin walls for wall pen.

2013-07-26 08:28

remake inferno already + ladder room at nuke

2013-07-26 08:42

ily volcano

2013-07-26 09:10

most beautiful map I ever seen in cs go

2013-07-26 09:40

please make maps are more concise and clean ; a little less sundries and some useless fence, pole etc..too many details to see the eyes get tired very easily.

2013-07-26 09:50

3D Volcano STRONGGGGGGGGGG

2013-07-26 10:00

gj... hope u will continue with other maps !!

thnks guys!!! greaet job

2013-07-26 10:29

GREAT map

awesome! remake train !!

2013-07-26 10:41

Why hasn't TRAIN recieved more complaints? REMAKE that fucking awkward piece of shit you call a MAP. Bombsite's all awkardly placed in the middle of the yard, and inner site has half the trains it should contain..

FUCK

2013-07-26 10:58

wtf ? totally shit map .. I love when my FPS go down because shit map with a lot of tanks, chickens, etc.

2013-07-26 11:11

Buy computer and welcome in 21 century.

2013-07-26 12:19

2013-07-26 13:15

look like de_airstrip lol

2013-07-26 11:26

Great map.

2013-07-26 11:35

FPS DOWN !

2013-07-26 11:48

wow. This was made with the competitive scene in mind. Take note Valve.

2013-07-26 12:23

its not de_Cache its de_Chernobyl !!!!!!!!

2013-07-26 12:36

cache /kaSH/ Noun A collection of items of the same type stored in a hidden or inaccessible place.

2013-07-27 19:14

Appearance: Really good (fits ideal to CS:GO graphics) Balance: Good (unused potential) Performance: Good (still stable 150fps) Bugs: Few spammable walls (TT can, CT can't)

2013-07-26 12:54

nextmap: de_train/de_tuscan

shit map

Horribly cluttered, and process expensive; lower fps than on standard train. Rejected.

2013-07-26 15:07

yep mid seems to drop my fps, I also think the map looks too bright now.

2013-07-26 17:39

I wish they would remake inferno, its fucking awful as it is right now as far as I'm concerned, also we need tuscan as well, the sooner the better!

2013-07-26 20:00

They should remake train and inferno too. They are just cheap copies from Source. They both look ugly and play badly.

2013-07-26 20:06

tuscan pls ? not shitty cache omg

2013-07-26 21:42

If i remember correctly, de_tuscan was first schedueled for release in july, with july 27th as last possible date (because cs:go gets updated on wednesday). The fact that de_tuscan has not yet been released might suggest that the map will be releases in the next update, which i think will involve a silencer for m4, i am referring to the quite suggestive twitter post posted by valve when they announced that they would cancel the update for 27 july because they were "going silent" for a few weeks, and had to "surpress" the update ;)

2013-07-28 02:41