de_crown released

18-3-2014 23:57

Shawn "FMPONE" Snelling and Sal "Volcano" Garozzo have released de_crown on the Steam Workshop.

After more than nine months of hard work, Shawn "FMPONE" Snelling and Sal "VOLCANO" Garozzo, the creators of de_cache, have released their latest creation, whose purpose is to establish itself as the best competitive map ever.

Drawing inspiration from the architecture of Barcelona, de_crown promises to take tactics to a whole new level as it does not have a classic middle section, making rotations much more difficult.

Below you can find a picture overview of de_crown:

To test de_crown, simply download the map on the Steam Workshop. You can also read parts one and two of a three-part article put together by the creators of de_crown about the concept behind the map.

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2014-03-18 23:57

5 replies

hahahaha

2014-03-19 01:39

from just looking at the first 2 minutes and the overview of this map it looks insanely CT sided.

2014-03-19 13:11

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It looks at least balanced, because both sites are susceptible to rushes. They can be overwhelmed before backup can arrive due to long rotations (pretty much back through your spawn every time). I think CTs would have to play some sort of a retake strat on this map, cos otherwise you will be playing 2/3 v 5 all the time.

2014-03-19 15:49

WHY the hell, valve created new map, when at the tournament teams play only inferno :D :D

2014-03-19 21:31

1 reply

it wasn't created by valve

2014-03-21 07:09

nice, gonna try

2014-03-18 23:58

I hope it's actually usable.

2014-03-18 23:58

1 reply

terrible map

2014-03-19 16:38

2014-03-18 23:59

will check out asap =)

2014-03-19 00:00

2 replies

s2 Anders

2014-03-19 00:10

Or maybe stream playing it before the starladder matches.

2014-03-19 02:57

Need more competetive maps asap Volvo ! EDIT: Entrance to A (door) needs to be wider or removed, only place for 1 TT at a time. Roof side on B needs to be lowered so tt boosts are possible or retake will be too easy. Much much CT map, like 11-4.

2014-03-19 00:11

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Most of the play tests with professional North American players were around 7-8 rounds for CTs, but will be interesting to see how scrims play out once teams learn the angles, smokes, nades, etc

2014-03-19 00:25

Wait is that Ander :D

2014-03-19 00:02

3 replies

just like adren from ibuypower and adren for hellraisers, ander from England and anders from Denmark i believe

2014-03-19 02:18

Yeah Hatton's old teammate :)

2014-03-19 14:37

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Yeah I know.

2014-03-19 14:43

Barcelona with a Spanish riot, must be fake!!

2014-03-19 00:03

I bet this is going to be in the next Operation. FMPONE must be raking the cash in since de_cache being in two operations.

2014-03-19 00:04

4 replies

well the map can be added to this operation as cbble was added to bravo aswell

2014-03-19 01:21

3 replies

too bad they fucked up cbble

2014-03-19 05:04

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1.6 cbble was already fucked up

2014-03-19 08:08

It isn't that bad...

2014-03-19 13:41

looks too choked up

2014-03-19 00:06

Looks so nice.

2014-03-19 00:06

Initial impression is nice visuals and good space. Though the "no real mid" kind of makes me feel like the bomb sites are all in's and then the retakes are going to be really hard. Hard to say for sure without playing though.

2014-03-19 00:09

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Compared to a map like dust2 or inferno, there are actually more bombsite entrances than traditionally which allows for multiple retake options - a lot of these changes came after pro player play tests

2014-03-19 00:28

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Realistically bombsite B only has 3 not 5. Because there is no mid to allow CTs quick access to get to the other two. If you want to retake from the two T entrances it seems like you will have to push early as a CT, against good teams this won't work as they will always have 1 watching the flank early while the others work the opposite site. A seems to suffer the same problem. The T entrances really aren't good retake points. Again, because of no mid. and the fact that 1 T will always cover the flank early in the round preventing any CT quick access to retake from there. I did watch some of the U5 players play, and it seemed like zero retakes happened from the T entrances. Some of the changes made were good, particularly that wall being added above CT spawn so T's couldn't snipe CTs on a rotate. Due to the no mid I still feel like the map is kind of "all in" for T also. the ideal way to play seems to just have one watch for the push and the other 4 take the other site. It appears to lack the fake element or quick rotate element that other maps have, particularly inferno. I may be wrong on all of this, im just assuming things from watching brief periods of play, and running around in the map myself. Hopefully it plays well or changes are made to it early to create another great map for the top tier of cs.

2014-03-19 01:11

Good looking map, maybe playable in public/casual, but definetly not in competitive.

2014-03-19 00:10

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2014-03-19 00:15

exactly my thoughts. Reminds me a bit of château in 1.6

2014-03-19 11:41

Odds on valve fucking up the map if we start using it?

2014-03-19 00:13

5 replies

++++++++

2014-03-19 00:16

very low because they do not own the map. i mean look at cache its fine. same creators same map where ever you go.

2014-03-19 09:45

1 reply

Valve owns all maps made in the hammer editor.

2014-03-25 23:12

haha

2014-03-19 18:18

We should be able to bet on that somewhere :D

2014-03-19 18:18

Should be a good map for ESEA pugs

2014-03-19 00:15

So basically, Crown will be very, very T-sided with no connector/mid. Well, I suppose since the CTs already have at least two of those (Nuke and Train... and a lesser argument could be made for Inferno), maybe it's okay for the Ts to have one of their own. Regardless, their goal to supplant Dust2 as the penultimate competitive map has already failed, seems to me. The beauty of Dust2 is that it isn't especially sided, and Crown is failing to heed that lesson.

2014-03-19 00:16

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de_dust2 is T sided. It's due to its middle and catwalk which can't really be contested by CTs unless they take more risks than Ts. It leaves the Ts a lot of options while keeping a clean map control.

2014-03-19 01:20

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That's nice and all (you're not telling me anything I don't already know, bud), but statistically Dust2 is only very slightly T-sided. The average round split in GO is only 51% in favor of Ts. csgolikeapro.com/index.php?title=File:Si.. These are official Valve stats. There's a reason why so many Dust2 matches have 8-7 scores at half-time. edit: Copy/paste that whole link as it's shown there, the forums here are cutting the link off at the second colon for some reason.

2014-03-19 02:15

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I wasn't really talking about stats, but if there are enough games played, 1% is enough to not call it an even map in my opinion. It's funny though, because apparently de_inferno was chosen the most at EMS because of its supposed balance between T and CT side, but if your data is accurate then they should have picked de_dust2 instead.

2014-03-19 02:16

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D2 was chosen a lot aswell. I think many pro-teams consider their Inf to be better than their D2, seems you get more dominant on inf after a lot of practise.

2014-03-19 10:04

on a pro level dust2 is very T sided man if both teams are about the same skill. when you play MM really all maps should be CT favoured since you dont really need to use any strats on ct side

2014-03-19 10:00

Using MM numbers while proving his point regarding balance of the map. Amusing.

2014-03-19 14:50

- Bombsite A is ok - no mid most likely will kill any kind of hope that it would become competetive - Bombsite B is to small, tbh it's the smallest bombste then any B site on any competetive map - map have huge spawn zones but small fighting zones so also complete oposite of any competetive map I think you got ur scales wrong, you can try on Call of Duty forums with it.

2014-03-19 00:17

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Generally there is still a middle area, with two options of crossing over to the other site - under the bridge, or jumping from the plank ledge to the bridge - I guess you could count a third if you run up catwalk but you cross through "A" then

2014-03-19 00:27

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Bombsites are small and respawns are big, you have teams fighting on verry small area. What we can learn from any competetive map is that each team TT aswell as CT have some space to work with or rotate. There is np such space on this map.

2014-03-19 01:24

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What? If there's something that the map don't lack it's space... Can you be more specific on which parts of the map do you find too small?

2014-03-19 01:30

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There are huge, useless bridges and windows. Even some kind of stable or some shit, which is useless and will make too much confusion and will make it too hard to retake the site.

2014-03-19 10:44

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Well, these parts are not small, as you just said yourself. I think everyone will agree that the stable is too much and needs to be removed, but saying the bomb site is too small is just exaggerating, compared to other maps the bomb sites are perfectly fine in size, they could even be larger.

2014-03-19 15:01

I think you already chose to dislike the map before giving it a try honestly. Since when not having a mid would prevent the map from being competitive ? It only brings different kind of games, and rotation is not that hindered on this map honestly. I think that giving a definite opinion on a map a few hours after its release is just hasty. We have to play the map a lot, give our feedback, if changes are made, test the changes, give our feedback, and so on. I see many people wanting some new maps, that's cool, but if we don't try to give mapmakers a chance we'll never have these new maps.

2014-03-19 01:28

2014-03-19 00:18

good looking map, I would love to see some match on it if map is good or bad when played on good level

2014-03-19 00:20

Not for competive :)

2014-03-19 00:23

Textures looking so big.

2014-03-19 00:26

Too many large, open corridors. Not suitable in this state for competetive play.

2014-03-19 00:26

I just wish that all these map creators starts cleaning up current maps from shitty small shits all around the maps. Im a sourcer ,but i really like how the 1.6 map were built... Remove this unessesary Flower pots n shit instead

2014-03-19 00:35

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2014-03-19 00:40

It's useless if Valve doesn't includes the changes in their release. Because they'll insist that their version should be used for the events they support.

2014-03-19 01:32

Yeah the B site does look really small and annoying. Not a chance i'd come through that door without dieing immediatly, but time will tell and i guess there are more entrances but there's so many spots to sit/hide behind, as the video pointed out aswell.

2014-03-19 00:47

i love the space!!!!! solid map with strong wallbanging

2014-03-19 00:48

It's fucking massive and way too open. I'll give it a try, but it feels HUGE

2014-03-19 00:52

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That's what SHE SAID!

2014-03-19 14:35

Hmm, went around the map and there are some interesting idea's that were put into this. I would like to see ESEA upload it to scrim/pug servers for ppl to test it out and build up the hype but they wont because it isn't in league map rotation and because of that I don't see this map being used for league play. Hope im wrong tho :D

2014-03-19 00:53

looks like de_piranesi

2014-03-19 00:58

Seems really great, gj.

2014-03-19 01:04

In my opinion this map it's good for a 24/32 public server...to big for a competitive match.

2014-03-19 01:14

im trying to download map on workshop and csgo crashing, looks like csgo dont want me to play this map lel btw looks great:3

2014-03-19 01:20

It's nice but too simple for my liking, some kind of underpass in middle area maybe or something. B site is interesting, but too much cover that way I think, just my 2 cents =]

2014-03-19 01:23

It's too big. Too much clutter. Too many random little corners.

2014-03-19 01:26

looks like BioShock Infinite

2014-03-19 01:38

Incredibly beautiful map. Really hope that it's competitively viable.

2014-03-19 01:42

At this state it's something like 6/10 to competitive map. It's a good start, and i think that these guys can make magic happen after bigger pro feedback. There are some entrances etc. which are way too tight for competitive play, and needs to be wider. Whole no-mid thing isn't a problem i think. It's a fun to see how leagues, valve or whole community welcomes this map. I really hope that competitive map pool would grow with couple maps. I don't want to see anymore inferno only tournaments.

2014-03-19 01:59

youtube.com/watch?v=YdDMrncAy4U

2014-03-19 02:13

another nice casual map I would say

2014-03-19 02:17

sorry fmpone, but your map sucks salty ballsacks

2014-03-19 02:18

8 replies

Can you elaborate? The goal is to give feedback, not a bunch of nasty words just for the sake of it.

2014-03-19 03:21

7 replies

There is no possible feedback to give, in order to save this map. Since FMPONE said that he made this map only with the competitive scene in mind, he shows that he has no clue whatsoever about making new maps from scratch, and should just stop. It's as simple as that. You don't give constructive feedback to a monkey who tries to drive a car, you just make the monkey stop and have him do something else.

2014-03-19 11:49

6 replies

in the article about the map it says that the basic layout of the map was mostly volcanos idea, you say he has no clue also ?

2014-03-19 11:53

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volcano is overrated, so yes.

2014-03-20 00:41

Okay, so you're just being arrogant and try to hide your knowledge so that you don't have to share it. And you're also insulting people who don't have the knowledge you have (or so you think). Sad to see people with such a behaviour. I really hope you'll understand some day that keeping knowledge for yourself has no meaning.

2014-03-19 14:59

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"knowledge"

2014-03-19 15:24

1 reply

2014-03-19 16:15

well, he is kinda right

2014-03-20 00:41

I thought FMPONE and Volcano said this was supposed to be a competitive map? what is this mess?

2014-03-19 02:47

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#69

2014-03-19 03:21

looks interesting

2014-03-19 02:48

this hole in center map ruined all imo if u T u need like 40 sec run from A to B?

2014-03-19 03:48

not competitive

2014-03-19 04:31

GO COMPETITIVE MAP VALVE

2014-03-19 04:59

ugly

2014-03-19 05:10

any map is almost useable, it's just a matter of fact for big events sponsored by valve that force those maps and teams will practice them. If there's money, people will play.

2014-03-19 05:42

not competitive at all

2014-03-19 06:19

gameplay reminds me of prodigy

2014-03-19 07:17

I'm all for new maps, but before that, can we fix train or use _ve first :D? Ty!

2014-03-19 08:01

Valve should learn how make such beautiful maps from these guys without adding a lot of useless stuff that harm the fps.

2014-03-19 08:33

Cant wait for a 16vs16 pub smash on this map ehuehu

2014-03-19 08:38

cbble

2014-03-19 08:48

b bombsite looks strange

2014-03-19 08:54

Cool map. Way to CT-based though. But I guess it will be a lot of rotation on this map. For both sides.

2014-03-19 08:55

Played a game last night and just found myself playing with the football outside of CT towards B for half the game.

2014-03-19 09:30

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that was a very good addition ;D

2014-03-19 11:29

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Agreed, knife round not required on crown. Football game to decide side :D

2014-03-19 12:31

pub map for 16x16, too large and useless

2014-03-19 09:39

It looks like a fun map, but competitively doesn't seem suitable. I feel like it'll suffer from cbble syndrome, but to a smaller extent. Hope I'm wrong though!

2014-03-19 09:41

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problem with cbble is that the distance from the entrances to the sites to the actual plant spots is too long , on this map the sites are small so it could work anyway

2014-03-19 10:07

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that's a really good point actually +1

2014-03-19 22:48

Skyboxes on the map are so awful, needs fixing.

2014-03-19 09:43

another casual map. it won't get to mm anyway because even mill, toscan and forge aren't. and cache was just a fluke

2014-03-19 09:45

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fmpone had all his csgo maps added to mm (cs_museum, de_gwalior,de_cache) this one will most likely be added too.

2014-03-20 12:41

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as I said imho we were just lucky to get de_cache. didn't see de_gwalior anywere is csgo. couldn't care less about cs_whatever. And I do hope it will be added. I'm pretty sure a lot of people would pay monthly just to have ALL maps from workshop in mm. Valve should just check maps for possible performance issues and approve. Since Valve are really bad at matchmaking they could at least bring variety.

2014-03-20 14:57

Good map for new operation

2014-03-19 09:46

im kinda on the fence wont make judgements until i play an actual scrim on but it feels ct sided because there is so much shit to check when entering a site..but if terrorist take the site then cts are screwed by that rotation.

2014-03-19 09:52

only really big problem seems to me the entrance through door to the A site, it either needs to be alot bigger or to add another entrance on the right side of the site ( right side from T spawn ).

2014-03-19 10:05

it is also exigent on fps like cbble ?

2014-03-19 10:09

not for competitive tbh,more like pub maps but looks good

2014-03-19 10:36

tuscan he :]

2014-03-19 10:44

T map GG

2014-03-19 11:24

rush on every round for T to win

2014-03-19 11:33

My first reaction on the map is that it has way too many different heights which will make it very difficult for terrorists to attack. But otherwise has he used clean textures and not exhibited too much crap on the map which is always good!

2014-03-19 11:48

Looks nice, gonna try

2014-03-19 11:51

Good but... Pros: - simple, - clean, - textures, Cons: - circle layout (there should be middle for both teams, currently you can't rotate from A -> mid -> B), - buldings too high, - too big respawns, - too much space in some passages,

2014-03-19 11:59

honestly, we already have an ultimate CS map it's inferno, the most overused map ._.

2014-03-19 12:04

It has same theme as cobblestone/cbble. It won't be competitive, it's a Castle lol...

2014-03-19 12:09

I ENJOYED ONE THING ! im59.gulfup.com/jS8xr.jpg :D

2014-03-19 12:27

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LOL!

2014-03-19 17:13

at the current state it's just an exercise of style, for sure a good one, but not suitable for any competitive gameplay. The map it self is about a 20% too large, there are too many camping spots but not enough cover in open spaces, and without a real "mid" it will be quite unbalanced imho. Make it smaller, streamlined, and move the "courtyard" in the middle with slash shaped access points from angles, and I think it will be fine.

2014-03-19 13:17

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Can't agree enough. The map is too large, too open, and has too many long range sight lines (some of which are just absurdly long). I'll continue following the map to see what else changes, but as it is I don't see this being a map I would enjoy playing matches on or being something that takes off competitively.

2014-03-19 15:29

Too difficult, don't you think so?

2014-03-19 13:16

tell me how i will protect B site with AWP like CT ???

2014-03-19 13:41

Looks like a beautiful map. It would be very interesting to see if there will be a de_crown show match played to get a feel of the gameplay of the map. May need a bit of tweaking for different spots and what not, but other than that looks fantastic. :)

2014-03-19 13:56

Good design but the visuals dont fit well with valves map rotation. With the right theme the map could be extremely popular. Imagine the same thing but with aztec textures. Would be sick Also you could make it easier for Terrorists and provide at least a basic mid connector by some kind of sewer system. Imagine a T shape sewer from T spawn. Left side of the T goes to A and right side goes to B

2014-03-19 14:07

Played 2 matches. it is totally t sided. 1st match: 11-4 was loosing on ct, got 16-12 when changed teams. 2nd match: 8-7 lost on ct, changed teams won 16-12 on t. Very fun map, there are some things to change, but its very cool. Like it.

2014-03-19 14:52

looks prettycool.

2014-03-19 15:25

Whole point of cs meta right now is u set your guys as TT on difrent points of map to get info and then fake one of bombsites and atack other. This map say no fake atacks, no rotate just go straight on one bombsite. And all good competetive maps have mid or some kind a way to move to second bombsite like vents on nuke or ladder on train but... We will have map with no such things and we will call it competetive because we said so, and all the things that made map competetive means nothing because here we have some "famous" map makers and they just couldn't go wrong.

2014-03-19 15:32

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I don't see how this map wouldn't qualify as "competitive" map. In my opinion main factor which determines if map is "competitively viable" is if it's layout is predictable enough for utilizing strategies over performing random mix styled individual plays. If that factor checks then there won't be any problems for teams to adapt this map. If it was too simple then that would be a problem for resulting in too few efficient strategies to use, however I don't think this map is that simple to get stuck with that problem.

2014-03-19 20:26

I really hope this map triumphs

2014-03-19 15:36

nice

2014-03-19 15:49

Thank you for posting my video :) Greatly appreciated!

2014-03-19 16:07

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<3 ander Great video again!

2014-03-19 16:09

Yo Ander! Can you give me your crosshair settings? It seems cool :)

2014-03-19 16:23

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Yeah sure, cl_crosshairalpha 255 cl_crosshaircolor 4 cl_crosshaircolor_b 255 cl_crosshaircolor_g 0 cl_crosshaircolor_r 255 cl_crosshairdot 1 cl_crosshairgap -4 cl_crosshairsize 3 cl_crosshairstyle 5 cl_crosshairthickness 0.8 cl_crosshair_drawoutline 1

2014-03-20 01:48

Best competetive map ever? Meh, looks like Cache without mid...

2014-03-19 16:14

it looks like a quake3 map

2014-03-19 16:18

nice

2014-03-19 16:21

Pretty funny to play it once or twice in a scrim but other than that I wouldn't want to play this in a competitive setting.

2014-03-19 16:23

them flamez lul

2014-03-19 16:24

I think there should be a middle. The map is splitted up too much i believe. :)

2014-03-19 17:19

I think it's pretty interesting map. Having no mid isn't a new concept for a cs map, but it can be a good thing in few ways. One is that most of new maps have trouble getting popular because it takes time to learn how to play them, but this map is easy to learn and figure out how to play it and at same time makes it more comfortable to play. Another thing is that this map offers something different instead of having similiar gameplay as in most maps, which is why it have value to be included in mapcycles for improving diversity of gameplay. I definetly support this map to be played on competitive level, at very least it deserves a trial. It might be perceived negatively for offering something different from standard, but that's why we gotta play it more and support it to ensure that it isn't being neglected just for this kind of biases.

2014-03-19 17:21

Textures are pretty good but the map have to be revised. The hole in the middle makes it impossible for T-side to move from A to B fast. So CT-side is dominate on this map.

2014-03-19 17:43

2 replies

this!

2014-03-19 22:37

not really, you're not accounting in power of nades and tactics.

2014-03-19 23:40

gd work

2014-03-19 17:55

This looks unplayable. Will there ever be an eco round won on this map ?

2014-03-19 18:01

tuscan please

2014-03-19 18:29

best map ever!

2014-03-19 18:53

according to the pics and video it looks great! have to try out

2014-03-19 19:51

1 reply

ran around it. looked good

2014-03-19 20:03

WHY the hell, valve created new map, when at the tournament teams play only inferno :D :D

2014-03-19 21:30

1 reply

not valve

2014-03-19 23:48

Didn't think the rotation from each site was "natural". pretty much alot of area that won't be used at all and it feels like a DE version of Italy

2014-03-19 21:34

doesnt even look good for competitive games

2014-03-19 22:35

Gonna blaze some haze with this map

2014-03-19 22:49

It feels like a regular casual map. To be honest, I think it's terrible in a competitive point of view.

2014-03-20 00:44

This is a really good map , finaly some open spaces! It feels like a 1.6 map , csgo maps are too tight.

2014-03-20 02:19

No chances for Terrorists :P Too many places to hide on Bombsite.

2014-03-20 02:53

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Do you think that hiding in a random places is how CTs are going to hold a bombsites? There are 2+ entrances to each bombsite, which decreases number of viable campspots.

2014-03-20 05:23

it's as competetive as aztec

2014-03-20 05:08

I dont know how you can like this map. Looks boring to me, and I do not see this map being played competitively, maybe in public servers, nothing more. But congratz anyway for putting effort on creating new maps

2014-03-20 14:47

Heres a tip for the creators of this map how u make a real good competitiv map. carebears.nu/de_bruk.jpg

2014-03-20 16:16

On polish www somthing like reddit (wykop > dig out eng) there is Ask Me Anything with pasha. wykop.pl/link/1917096/ama-jaroslaw-pasha.. I asked him what he thinks about volvo train or volcano and de_crown. quote "prejt 3 godz. temu 0 1. Co sadzisz o nowej mapie de_crown? Czy mapa bez mida moze byc kompetetywna? 2. Train od volvo czy vulcano? paszaBiceps 1 godz. temu 0 @prejt: Volvo ;d 2crown nie przejdzie ---------------------------------------- Volvo train crown - it's not gonna make it to competetive

2014-03-21 20:57

Need something like that imo image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/12/1395367862-crown1.jpg or image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/12/1395367906-crown2.jpg Morpheuslolz (c)

2014-03-22 09:32

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+1 need something like that for fast rotation. valve released de_overpass and forgot about this. only updates we see. IMO de_overpass >> de_train. de_tuscan taking too much time to release. Whole community is waiting for this for so long.

2014-03-22 10:04

DE_CROWN FIXED CHECK THIS OUT postimg.org/image/wr1806uex/ feel free to use my ideas, or create crown2 for me if you would like to keep crown your way but my idea looks worth trying

2014-03-24 09:31

3 replies

source?

2014-03-24 09:41

1 reply

1.5/1.6 since 2004

2014-03-24 17:45