What did we learn from StarSeries?

With the dust still falling down in Kiev after three days of action at SLTV StarSeries IX Finals, we take a look at the most important lessons we learned from the event.

SLTV StarSeries IX Finals saw fnatic withdraw and make room for Natus Vincere, who wound up going 6-0 en route to their first CS:GO championship, with wins over both NiP and Titan.

The Ninjas' struggles continued in Kiev, where they have won just one of the four finals events they've attended. What do we make out of Titan's debut with Kenny "kennyS" Schrub?

To find the answers to theat question, and more, continue reading our first article about SLTV StarSeries IX Finals, with five lessons we took away from the $30,000 tournament.


What did we learn from SLTV StarSeries IX Finals? 

5. CS:GO can draw over 100,000 viewers even without Valve

It shouldn't be a big surprise anymore, but it still has to be pointed out that CS:GO has now drawn over 100,000 viewers even without the support of Valve and its deep pockets. This record isn't nearly as much as the two majors have drawn, but considering the significantly smaller scale of this event, it's still very impressive.

SLTV have done a very good job slowly growing their StarSeries league, with $30,000 now given out for the first time in prizes, a 100% increase from the $15,000 pot of the previous seasons. Nearly every top team takes part in the league, and we just saw three of the world's best teams, as well as Na`Vi who might break into that category very soon, attend the finals.

It will be very interesting to see going forward what kind of numbers other non-Valve supported events will be able to draw. This event had Titan's roster change and Na`Vi's upsets working in its favor, but it still shows a trend of  growth in CS:GO, one that we've had practically since the game took over the competitive Counter-Strike scene in late 2012.


These crowds might appear without Valve's funding 

4. How did SLTV StarSeries IX affect the world rankings?

We did not talk about the effects of Copenhagen Games previously, but to sum it up so this makes more sense, dignitas are now definitely above fnatic, whose stock keeps falling. Yet, René "cajunb" Borg's rumoured departure might change that in the future. Virtus.pro commanded a second place ranking in the world, NiP retained number one and Titan basically couldn't be placed. LDLC also moved up a notch, but that's highly irrelevant to the points I am about to make.

First and foremost, this was actually not a bad result for Titan. This roster finally took their first map from NiP, and although third map was a bloodbath, they put up a valiant effort on de_nuke as well. They barely had any time to practice with Richard "shox" Papillon officially departing on April 29, so they should be happy with a series win over Virtus.pro and a tough series with the world's number one team. This still doesn't solidify their spot in the top three, but it's once again in play.

For NiP, it's both good and bad. It proves their astonishing consistency that we often blabber about, yet it also shows how much they struggle to actually close out tournaments these days. For the first time it was their super stars who struggled, but like we stated previously, it seems hard for the Swedes to get production from all five players at the same time. They seem to go off a few at a time, which leads to these losses. It's still a very good result though, and NiP are still the world's best team.

As for Na`Vi, it's too early to tell. Although they did beat NiP twice in a series, and Titan once, it was still during one weekend, which could have been a hot streak. The CIS-based team needs to do this once or twice more, and we could be looking at a new top four team in the world. Up until then, they belong somewhere in that uncomfortable group of maybe sixth through tenth, which is harder and harder to define with all the roster changes taking place.

For now, the world rankings will continue to live until after DreamHack Summer and ESEA Invite Season 16 Finals in June, when we're planning on releasing an updated version of the official HLTV.org world ranking, right around the end of June or beginning of July.


Titan's stock rose with last weekend's performance 

3. seized is becoming a full-blown star

Not one, not two, not three... Just kidding, but a whopping six of our twenty top players for 2013 predicted that Denis "seized" Kostin could become the breakout star of 2014, and after SLTV StarSeries IX Finals it certainly seems like a possibility. The 19-year old Russian finished the event with a rating of 1.25, which would be good for third in the world for career ratings.

Kostin was the third best entry fragger of the event behind two of his teammates, and he also ranked third in KPR for the whole event. Furthermore, he also played a part in 68% of all rounds Na`Vi played; once again good for third overall at the event, which goes to show how consistently he played a part in Na`Vi's success. Getting a kill, an assist or surviving over two-thirds of all rounds, won or lost, is no mean feat.

He was the best player on the winning team, which makes him a strong candidate for MVP. Kostin also tied his teammate Ioann "Edward" Sukhariev for best performance in the grand final; a rating identical to his overall 1.25. He also had arguably the most important plays in the grand final for his team, scoring those three MAG-7 kills to win Na`Vi a save round that started their run towards the championship, and a few AK47 performances in the previous half.

It's too early to call Kostin one of the world's top players, but he certainly seems to be on track to improve. Both him and Natus Vincere are going to be fun to follow in the future when we see if they can replicate their performances from the past weekend. But even if he falls a little short, he can still be a star in the Counter-Strike scene.


seized had a breakout performance in Kiev 

2. NiP's struggles in Kiev continue

It's no secret Kiev hasn't been kind to NiP, or even its star players Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg and Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund in Counter-Strike 1.6. Obviously attending four finals events with a record of second, first, third and second is nothing to be ashamed of, but we have to compare the Swedes' results to the ridiculously high standards they've set for themselves. They did not play like the world's best team this weekend.

The often blamed Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson actually had some very good rounds, including two important AK47 clutches against Titan on de_inferno that helped them beat their long time rivals. In-game leader Richard "Xizt" Landström also had a good event, finishing with a rating of 1.10. It all stops there, as far as good performances go for NiP. Everyone had their rounds, as always, but no one else was consistently good.

It was especially bad for the two super stars, both of whom recorded their very first LAN tournaments in CS:GO where they finished with a sub-1.00 rating, and a negative K-D difference. It's often stated how much NiP relies on their fragging ability, and although they beat Titan with Alesund at a measly 0.81 rating, this goes to show it's tough even for the world's best team to win tournaments if their stars take days off.

It was especially bad for Lindberg, who took heavy critique for his weak Copenhagen Games grand final performance of 0.79 rating. This time, though with his team on the losing end, he performed even worse in the most important match, finishing with a rating of 0.71 versus Na`Vi in the grand final. Still needs to be said that he played well versus Titan though, with a 1.14 rating, and he scored important round wins for NiP throughout the weekend.

It's important going into the future that NiP were able to take down Titan, who are back to a roster that never defeated NiP. They also once more took down Virtus.pro, proving they are still the stronger side of the two. However, losing to Natus Vincere, even on their home soil, still wasn't what was expected of them, and it leaves you wondering whether NiP's days of dominating tournaments are behind them for good.


NiP must not be very fond of Kiev based on their history together

1. Na`Vi can beat any team

It's almost a cliche now after Ladislav "GuardiaN" Kovács' interview with us on Saturday, and the flame war it started in the comments, but it's true. Na`Vi defeated Titan 2-0, and took two 2-0 series wins over the world's number one team, NiP. Kovàcs actually has a solid résumé against Titan and NiP, having bested both in Virtus.pro and 3DMAX as well, and his AWPing has always been a big part of each of his teams' success.

Natus Vincere seem to get production out of all their five players on a fairly consistent basis. Obviously their three stars this weekend were Kovács, Sukhariev and Kostin, but it's not like Danilo "Zeus" Teslenko, the squad's in-game leader, or Sergey "starix" Ischuk did not contribute, because they did. What's more, watching the event, it seemed Na`Vi were really on point, and even after tough stretches they were always able to bounce back.

Critics will point to SLTV StarSeries IX having been held in Kiev, question whether the team ghosted or wonder if the crowd might have had an effect on the performance. I don't buy into that stuff too much; I think chokers may suffer from loud fans, but I can't see it directly improving anyone's performance. The fact is Na`Vi played a very good tournament, and you should not take credit away from them.

The champions skippped Copenhagen Games, while all the other three participants attended. That means they got to watch them play, and put in more practice and preparation going into this event. Surely that will not always be the case in the future, but there are rational reasons explaining why they were able to play so well this weekend.

It's impossible to rank Na`Vi just yet in terms of the world's best teams, because we will need to see them play more before we can draw all of those conclusions. Still, Kovács was right, his team have certainly now proven they can beat any team, and that makes them a contender in the future, and a team others won't be glad to face in the bracket stages.


GuardiaN proved he's a man of his word by winning on Sunday 

What do you think of the lessons above? Do you think we missed some, or do  you disagree with any of them? Let us know in the comment section below.

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Russia tills
guardian mvp
2014-05-05 16:52
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Belarus INDOFER-.-
n1
2014-05-05 16:56
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Norway toap
n4
2014-05-05 16:56
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Norway inexz
n112
2014-05-05 21:01
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Finland x4^
that navi wont win again
2014-05-05 16:56
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Switzerland enzou
that guardian is the best awp atm?
2014-05-05 16:57
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Maybe KennyS !
2014-05-05 18:32
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India AwpTimisT KappaMode
0. GuardiaN>KennyS
2014-05-05 16:57
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Poland foonatic
I'm waiting for next big tournament to see what NaVi can do.
2014-05-05 16:59
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United Kingdom colours
what come 4th in groups
2014-05-06 00:24
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Lithuania jiffoe
i like navi as a team but they are damn aggressors
2014-05-05 16:59
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Sweden kalibO
Love these articles lurppis, keep it up!
2014-05-05 16:59
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Other reav
hail lurppis! \(^_^)/
2014-05-05 17:59
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Iraq GTFONERDS
Torin is that you?
2014-05-05 16:59
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GuardiaN/Seized MVP, zeus played great, also for Edward/starix great event for Na'Vi
2014-05-05 17:01
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It's interesting to point out that 3 out of the 4 last Major LAN's have been won by the local team. Seems home advantage is having a huge impact on a team performance.
2014-05-05 17:03
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Sweden Blomkungen
Sltv navi. Ems vp Cph nip Dreamhack fnatic DH invite titan. Doesn't look like the home teams won.
2014-05-06 07:43
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Kazakhstan dr0!d
3/5 teams won on home soil
2014-05-06 09:37
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Poland maxiu
"1. Na`Vi can beat any team" wait for next offline match :D and we will see xD
2014-05-05 17:07
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Luxembourg crawleroz
we don't need to wait for the next event, they already did it
2014-05-05 17:31
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Sweden imonoz
good luck Na´Vi in the upcoming tournaments xD
2014-05-05 17:08
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Argentina RoTsap
that all loved fiffy when dominating against titan and hating him the rest of the matches, fan logic~
2014-05-05 17:09
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United Kingdom grund
"We can beat any team" No shit, any team can beat any team if that team is having a bad day.
2014-05-05 17:09
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Ye i guess NiP had 2 bad days, right?
2014-05-05 17:59
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Poland yaD'
why u talking about NiP ?
2014-05-05 18:46
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Because Na`Vi rape them?
2014-05-05 19:06
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Poland yaD'
yeah ... same as all other teams, but he talking just about NiP and they were not favorites imo.
2014-05-05 19:38
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United Kingdom grund
I'm not talking about any specific team or event. GuardiaN said something along the lines of "We can beat any team when we are playing our best". I'm just saying that this statement is incredibly dumb and vague.
2014-05-05 19:24
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Poland yaD'
Everyone can predict (more like 'say') that he can beat any team... mostly it's bullshit but now it works pretty well... GJ by Na`Vi anyway and don't hate GuardiaN just cuz this few words ... ScreaM said somewhere that 'He doesn't fear no one'... and what about that ?
2014-05-05 19:43
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United Kingdom grund
Nothing wrong with what scream said, I guess that's just how he feels. And I don't hate guardian? I think you are misunderstanding. I am saying that what guardian said -"we can beat any team when we are playing our best" is a stupid, vague comment. Because it's like saying I need oxygen to survive. It's just stating the obvious. Ofc any team ( even if they are crap) could beat any other team, given that team plays worse. To use a real example, na'vi beat nip, but nip weren't at their best. If nip were also at their best, they would beat navi. Guardian's statement doesn't mention what form the other team the can beat is in. If their opponents play bad, then yes, ofc you can beat any team. 2+2=4
2014-05-05 19:50
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Poland yaD'
hm probably you're right, but ScreaM's words are pretty obvious too... how he can win vs hmm NiP (randomly i just said NiP) if he'll be scare as fuck :P Anyway GuardiaN doesn't said any ridiculous things like idk... "NiP needs top sniper". 2+2=(-935) HF3 confirmed
2014-05-05 20:07
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Peru Leko
you are a hater that's all, go run to an admin and tell him to delete my comment! s2 pd: saying "I can beat any team" could be obvious but not wrong, and so what?
2014-05-05 23:08
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aha, jesus, take it easy kid. I didn't run to an admin, I didn't even report your comments. The thread was deleted because an admin thought it should be, I had no influence on them. Also what does "saying "I can beat any team" could be obvious" mean?
2014-05-05 23:13
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Sweden Danzk1
Better to say "we are bad and can't win a single match ever"? :D
2014-05-05 23:21
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no, but I'm just saying, any team can beat any team. It depends on how good the teams are playing. It would be true for me to say "I can beat anyone at chess" Even though I barely play, as long as the opponent is playing worse than me, I will win. GuardiaN said "we can beat any team when we are playing at our best" This is just stating the obvious. There are many teams that could beat Na'Vi when both teams are playing their best. Anyway, this isn't about na'vi. It's more about language..
2014-05-05 23:28
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Sweden Danzk1
Yes i understand your point
2014-05-06 07:23
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Europe mr.a1og
"That means they got to watch them play, and put in more practice and preparation going into this event" CPH Games - 17-19 April 2014 Na´Vi in for fnatic at SLTV IX finals - 23 April 2014 They knew that Fnatic gives their position in this event ?
2014-05-05 17:13
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Denmark NeveK
There is VOD's you know.... Never go full retard please...
2014-05-06 14:07
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Latvia vanQQQ
I learned that navi will probably not win any other offline matches that are not in russian speaking countries.
2014-05-05 17:10
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Ukraine Magic619
i learned, that you are spamming every topic with your useless anti-navi words which prove nothing
2014-05-05 19:02
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Latvia vanQQQ
Not even trying to prove anything. Just saying that navi sucks when they don't have anyone to ghost for them.
2014-05-05 19:40
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Latvia shtx
i guess you are the one of those russian haters... GL ;)
2014-05-05 20:57
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Brazil cadik
this
2014-05-07 20:35
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That Ukranians are inbreds that despite of having the best techincal possibilities in terms of production still choose to narrow their audience to speakers of their own retarded language.
2014-05-05 17:11
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Ukrainian is a beautiful language. However i get your point, the problem is that most of the tr4anslators are working on dota content since dota team has kind of overshadowed cs go team in the organisation with bigger prizze money, however i'm sure they will go back into making translations for engfags asap.
2014-05-05 20:01
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Lithuania alon9
I wish SLTV would expand to 24 teams in online stage with 8 teams on lan finals.
2014-05-05 17:14
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Only if ASUS can double its profit, or Valve adding some dank to the bank.
2014-05-05 18:04
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Brazil ez bro
I don't.
2014-05-05 18:22
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Sweden Blomkungen
Agreed, the dota event was awesome. It did however have 200k+ right?
2014-05-06 07:51
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Lithuania alon9
i don' follow dota
2014-05-06 11:31
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1. NiP 2. Virtus Pro 3. Dignitas (but without cajun...?) 4. Titan 5. Na'Vi/LDLC/LGB I was impressed by Na'Vi at this event. Edward and GuardiaN were always great, but I saw every player step up big.
2014-05-05 17:13
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seized was great. agree with top3:)
2014-05-05 19:42
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wrong cuz 1. anyone 2. NiP look at ems, dreamhack, katowice, sltv
2014-05-06 00:18
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One correction: "he also played a part in 68% of all rounds Na`Vi played" wouldn't that be 100% :) Did you mean rounds they won? Nice read. I'd say seized MVP
2014-05-05 17:13
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Think it means got a kill/assist/bomb plant/defuse, not necessarily for winning rounds.
2014-05-05 17:54
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Didn't think of that, brainfreeze once again
2014-05-05 18:04
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China lty05
lol same question
2014-05-05 20:14
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seized is becoming a full-blown star thats for sure
2014-05-05 17:15
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Europe mr.a1og
* 15 April 2014 - StarSeries IX ready for finals (NIP , TITAN , VIRTUS.PRO , FNATIC) * 17-19 April 2014 - CPH Games * 23 April 2014 - Na´Vi in for fnatic at SLTV IX finals * 5 May 2014 - "The champions skippped Copenhagen Games, while all the other three participants attended.That means they got to watch them play, and put in more practice and preparation going INTO THIS EVENT" -------------- Back to Future.
2014-05-05 17:34
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The fact that he wrote "That means they got to watch them play, and put in more practice and preparation going INTO THIS EVENT" doesn't state that they skipped cph games "because of this event". Only states that they had more time practice and to watch the other teams up until the next event! Wich then turned out to be this event...
2014-05-05 17:46
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Europe mr.a1og
preparation going INTO THIS EVENT This event not next event..so before CPH Games they didn't knew that they will get Fnatic place in THIS EVENT.
2014-05-05 17:52
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i hope you know things don't always (ever) get published when teams find out about them. either that, or you're extremely naive.
2014-05-05 19:43
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Europe mr.a1og
it's just lesson for your future posts ;) i know you understand what i mean.your answer for my comment is just cover.sounds like cover.GL
2014-05-06 17:38
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Davaye!
2014-05-05 17:32
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Nepal Jüqreign
"dignitas are now definitely above fnatic" They aren't anymore cuz cajunb left them And still: 1-2. NiP 1-2. Virtus.Pro 3-6. dignitas (if they will get an equal replacement for cajunb) 3-6. Titan 3-6. Na`Vi 3-6. fnatic 7-8. HellRaisers 7-8. LDLC.com 9-10. LGB 9-10. Reason Gaming
2014-05-05 17:32
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Lithuania artessi
Not bad +1
2014-05-05 17:37
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Sweden badboll
Lol, VP in top after a fluke.
2014-05-05 17:49
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Czech Republic KB24
Copenhagen games top2 fluke too? badbolltRoLL
2014-05-05 18:00
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Sweden badboll
Yeah, were have they been rest of the year and now? Last in a small tournament.
2014-05-05 21:37
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
check fragbite masters and SLTV qualifier matches, they where really consistent online
2014-05-06 00:45
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Other reav
I would say LGB over HR, otherwise it looks pretty good.
2014-05-05 18:06
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Mexico iW4t3R
+1
2014-05-05 19:09
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Ukraine kAt.MEOW
I would switch HR and LGB But overall +1
2014-05-05 18:14
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good read but really not sure why include the ghosting part ...
2014-05-05 17:33
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that they ghosting
2014-05-05 17:37
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Canada fnaki
that ghosting is a good thing .
2014-05-05 17:46
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Estonia AWM55
susel gogo
2014-05-05 17:48
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Sweden henke=D!
ghosting xD
2014-05-05 17:52
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Sweden badboll
6. With casters you can win even if the team is bad.
2014-05-05 17:57
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Australia tekwah
What did we learn from StarSeries? That zeus is a tactical genius capable of predicting all of NiPs movements after watching them play at Copenhagen Games
2014-05-05 17:57
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Zeus is best in-game leader since 2010.
2014-05-05 18:56
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In 2010*. SK/Golden Five both had a better year in 2011. And fnatic under Xizt raped the piss out of them in 2012.
2014-05-05 19:49
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Did they won all majors in one year? No.
2014-05-05 20:04
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...what's your point? Yes navi pulled a hat trick and won all three in 2010, with Zeus being the team's IGL. No, they nor nobody else replicated that feat.
2014-05-05 21:12
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#48
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Australia Magos Kasen
I think NiP's biggest weakness is against teams that are 'hot'. They really are the best team in the world (assuming their two stars remember how to play), but when they run into a team playing their A game, they seem to fall short - Dreamhack Winter vs Fnatic (who've never played that well since), EMS vs VP (who they've since beat multiple times), and now Na'Vi (who read their opponents better than any team I've ever seen before, and just seemed impossible to outsmart...). I think in events where no team is 'hot', and all are playing at about their natural level, NiP will win due to their level simply being higher. Copenhagen Games is an example of this - it was a fairly predictable tournament, bar LDLC upsetting Titan, and NiP were the strongest team, and won. Until any of the teams that beats them in a final manages to stay at that winning level, I don't think NiP are in any danger of losing the no1 ranking. It may be frustrating and disappointing for the team and fans like me, but the reality is that the team that comes second every time is better than the teams that win once and never repeat. Also, it was great to see Fifflaren have a genuinely good tournament. His performance against Titan was top notch.
2014-05-05 17:59
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#180
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Ukraine votetoB
The biggest weakness of NIP is that everyone is preparing to NIP and studying their game, whereas NIP has to prepare to everybody game style.
2014-05-07 02:36
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#50
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Other cregs
Host nation teams taking the titles recently, didn't think home advantage meant that much in e-sports, I was wrong!
2014-05-05 18:00
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#53
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Europe midi
NiP to win DHS/DHW 2014 because of ghosting confirmed.
2014-05-05 18:05
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#54
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Turkey kenliciouz
Starladder sucks for real
2014-05-05 18:05
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#57
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Indonesia yoztpetra
it looks like ex-1.6 will reign the top places in the world at the moment :D
2014-05-05 18:09
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#181
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Ukraine votetoB
saucers gonna suck, saucers gonna die, starix gotta killthemall xD
2014-05-07 02:37
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#58
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Johnny R. | 
World joburl
no ghosting no win.
2014-05-05 18:10
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#61
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Netherlands iHawtiesz
easy katka
2014-05-05 18:28
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#62
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Sweden maxaki
I think the article is very well written. I really feel your love toward cs is growing more and more. You know your shit now. I do really agree on the fact that Na'Vi has been able to practice aswell as been able to spectate the never ending meta game changes. The fact that they've been able to look at the whole CPHG-event where all top teams reveal their secrets, gave them advantage. About the fifflaren situation... I feel really sad about the situation. Either we see a new fifflaren or he'll leave NiP for the greater good. There are simply no other options for him, I can't even imagine how hard it is for him to not contribute at best toward the team he love. He is the guy who would step down if it was the only solution. But, I think with some professional mental coaching he could come back better than ever, he got the firepower in him, but, he needs to let loose and ignore the inner critical thoughts about performance.
2014-05-05 18:31
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#74
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Mexico iW4t3R
Well said. I felt very sorry watching NiP performance all the tournament, I really dont know why people are complain about ghost instead of focusing in the bad shape that "GTR" or f0rest have. Agreed with lurpiss about NaVi rank though.
2014-05-05 19:17
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Blaming fifflaren because nobody else can shoulder it. Hell, Xizt's girl herself did it. The kind of douchebaggery that's thrown at Fiff..Still. He's got his team's support. That matters right? A lot.
2014-05-06 04:08
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#65
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Boombl4 | 
United Kingdom @bloodR1g
"GuardiaN proved he's a man of his word by winning on Sunday" for haters. GG Na`Vi!
2014-05-05 18:41
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Sweet article as usual. Guardian is scary good with the awp - nip needs to figure out how to counter. This tournament suggests that fifflaren plays better as a support rifle, not awper
2014-05-05 19:04
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#71
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Ukraine Magic619
i love the way how only saucers are crying about navi ghosting.. they were top 1-2 in 1.6 and they were obviously ghosting, right ? dumb people without knowledge about navi from 1.6..
2014-05-05 19:05
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#80
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Russia Saint1
It has nothing to do with source/1.6 players. The ones that are complaining about ghosting are either nip fans or lost skins on the matches. Its been 2 years, everyone is a GO player now
2014-05-05 19:34
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#84
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Boombl4 | 
United Kingdom @bloodR1g
You misunderstood him.
2014-05-05 19:42
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#114
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Russia Saint1
I understood him fine. Navi's history has nothing to do with the ghosting allegations.
2014-05-05 21:08
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#76
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France .NBK
navi weak. only strong cuz commentators/country
2014-05-05 19:20
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#83
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Boombl4 | 
United Kingdom @bloodR1g
GGWP.pro > Na`Vi!
2014-05-05 19:40
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#118
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France .NBK
its ur opinion.
2014-05-05 21:25
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#86
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Russia monte:)
NiP, Titan, dignitas, fnatic, VP, Na`Vi, HR, LDLC, LGB ( everyone can beat everyone ) not sure about Reason, CM ..
2014-05-05 19:42
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#89
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World stunnerrunner
6. ghosting
2014-05-05 19:46
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#93
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Europe ALB|BlooD|
+1
2014-05-05 19:48
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#91
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Europe ALB|BlooD|
Na'Vi only won in hometown. They will fail in any other tournament.
2014-05-05 19:48
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#92
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Azerbaijan Talley
Na`Vi can beat any team if ghosting is possible
2014-05-05 19:48
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#96
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Pakistan Speedfreak
Titles like these remind me of third grade.
2014-05-05 19:54
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#97
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Zeus | 
Germany tummi
6.: There is definitely an home field advantage vp at ems fnatic at dreamhack ibuypower at esea now navi at sltv
2014-05-05 19:55
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#103
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World Metamf
swedish fnatic at swedish dreamhack over swedish nip. go sleep litty
2014-05-05 20:05
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#109
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Zeus | 
Germany tummi
ah ok, so u're expected fnatic to win dh?? i admit i had to add, that all of the teams had been the underdog (or at least only a few expected them to win). additionally, it didnt change the fact that a home team wins i also forgot clan mystic @ eswc (over verygames) dont challange that kid ;)
2014-05-05 20:48
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#140
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Japan tenshi
The fact that there were even two Swedish teams in Swedish finals further proves the point.
2014-05-06 00:25
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#141
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World Metamf
yep. I was wrong
2014-05-06 00:28
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#138
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Ukraine he-he
+eswc
2014-05-06 00:21
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#98
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Austria sebyyyyyy
In my opinion we learned that navi either showed how to play this game or had some help from the outside. I mean nip, at no point, had the chance to win this final. even if forest went +30 it wouldn't have been enough to beat navi. the calls and reads on the navi side were insane and basically nip had to take a spot twice which is just impossible. this is also the reason why everybody of the navi players had positive or equal stats cause if nip made the entry or went for a spot in an xonx situation the remaining navi players had their positions already and just flashed,naded or shot them in the back. if navi continues playing this way, no team will have a chance against them in the future tbh, if not i'd say their was sth wrong :P
2014-05-05 20:01
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#101
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Slovakia sanjuro
i would say navi won because starix and zeus started to play something finally
2014-05-05 20:03
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#183
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Ukraine votetoB
starix is definitely not an onliner xD
2014-05-07 02:42
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#128
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Lithuania kexas
Zeus, Edward and starix were part of one of the best teams ever. seized - young player, who started turning his potential into performance. Don't know about Guardian, but he was considered on of the best players in source if I'm not mistaken?
2014-05-05 22:08
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#106
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Estonia $cReaM
Never underestimate power of the scouts hold!
2014-05-05 20:15
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#108
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United States kayy-
shox mvp!!! oh wait.
2014-05-05 20:40
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#116
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Latvia n3xu555
My opinion as old cs player is that Zeus is finaly intrested in cs:go like he was in cs 1.6, because he even started streaming in twitch. You all probaly dont know but Na'vi was top cs 1.6 team since spawn left cs. They always crushed SK gaming/Fnatic (NiP), because of the game sense. In 1.6 They always was getting kills because of their slow style which allowed them to know where is players in map. Right know i was listening to Navi's ts in twitch and i heard this clasic zeus calls which he use to do in cs 1.6 Always when he said "They cant be there because its nip" (of course in russian) they werent there when they were vs Titan it was similar. He just works hard in demos with ceh9 (Teams coach who was old navi player) I think from now on Na'vi can everyone at any plays.
2014-05-05 21:18
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#119
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Austria db42
a very good read actually, not like the last one. I actually agree on everything said, gg well written lurppis, keep em comin.
2014-05-05 21:30
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#121
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Vietnam robocopvn
not to mention many people in Asia who cannot watch the events live ! like me :))
2014-05-05 21:33
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#124
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GuardiaN | 
Serbia NESi [w]
Respect for Guardian.
2014-05-05 21:37
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#127
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Lithuania kexas
Fix 1. Na`Vi can beat any team to 1. Na`Vi can bet any team in LAN
2014-05-05 22:04
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#130
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World Zader
- guardian + bibby
2014-05-05 23:10
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#134
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Portugal iach
lololol
2014-05-05 23:43
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#135
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Portugal iach
we learn 0
2014-05-05 23:55
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#137
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India invince
"the often blamed fiflaren performed well with two clutches".. "to the ridiculously high standards they've set for themselves" //*pun intended I see no point in highlighting fiflaren with two clutches..As a matter of fact, even xizt and friberg have same no. of clutches.. static.hltv.org/images/galleries/1693-fu.. No, im not saying he sux.. He is just not upto the so called high standards they set for themselves..
2014-05-06 00:20
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#166
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World Fr3de
"...including two important AK47 clutches against Titan on de_inferno that helped them beat their long time rivals." If you stop writing your own quotes it'll probably be easier for you to understand next time.
2014-05-06 11:07
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#177
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India invince
You sir, just missed the pun..
2014-05-06 18:49
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#144
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United States ChrisA
I'm excited to see if Navi will be able to play well or if they will flop like iBP. And Titan's new lineup looks promising.
2014-05-06 01:09
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#145
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Indonesia rizkywiraz
Good read mate
2014-05-06 02:30
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#147
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jackasmo | 
Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
Hour long video by ceh9 behind NaVi's backs at SLTV finals + some exclusive video from one of navi bases and more random stuff ---> youtube.com/watch?v=pujb_Uenlug
2014-05-06 03:17
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#151
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Denmark asdfrofl
damn no eng sub.. :(
2014-05-06 05:35
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#149
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China elite423
I dont think they will have a good performance in next tournament which hold far away from Kiev.
2014-05-06 04:23
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I think next top3 of the world are: nip navi vp veteran of 1.6 rocks!
2014-05-06 05:27
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Na'vi Na'vi ....well they did certainly lost to many best of 1 games .. but had overcome it by defeating the Nip.though nip did part well .i expected the match would be na'vi vs titan but nip is a lot stronger .i thought the prize money would help forest to bail out haha XD... nice one though .. stupid na'vi they lost my 16$ awp.. but still i love them gg na'vi
2014-05-06 07:18
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#163
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Norway equaking
Gj by Na'vi! But i dont think they will win so many tournaments in the future :/ Even tho Guardian and seized is playing really good! And they are not still top 5, IMO :)
2014-05-06 09:18
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#170
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Zeus | 
Ukraine vols
What I love about cs go that it's incredibly competitive atm. Just compare: in 1.6 we've had NAVI, SK, ESC, FNATIC last 3 years dominating everything. You just couldn't have imagined a team (like dignitas) coming out of nowhere and winning the top squads. But what's more important, that in 1.6 the teams were classified like that: Top-class and others. While in cs go we have many medium-class teams that can surprise every time they play. My point is, that atm NAVI have definitely joined to the list of teams that are most likely to win any championship (together with nip, dignitas, titan, cm, ldlc, fnatic, HR, LGB, iBP, etc.) In my opinion, quantity of "grand" teams is a criteria of development of any sport. So it doesn't matter whether they win or not in future. What is important for esport, that now it would be even harder to predict a winner anywhere as you have to take into account one more top team, which is NAVI.
2014-05-06 12:03
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Gj Na'Vi.NiP still best though
2014-05-06 09:42
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#171
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Denmark Mycr0ft
What did we learn from starseries? The competitive scene in CS:GO is so awesome right now. NiP, Dignitas, Na'Vi, VP and Titan are around the same level right now (Only because NiP is doing worse than normal (Titan too) and the others are performing very well. Every Tournament is so thrilling!
2014-05-06 12:15
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#185
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United States Azkn!ght
I agree.
2014-05-07 04:42
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#173
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Vietnam Lyssss
Only this tournament!
2014-05-06 16:55
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#178
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Russia Suharinho
тёма мясничек
2014-05-06 22:14
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#179
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Sweden expected
2014-05-07 02:04
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#184
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United States Azkn!ght
GuardiaN defeated all AWPers on this event. I believe he is the best AWPer in the world because of his accuracy. He may not be the fastest. KennyS could be the fastest but he's more of a momentum based player which sometimes really affects his consistency and accuracy on using AWP.
2014-05-07 04:42
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#187
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jackasmo | 
Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
2014-05-08 17:00
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#188
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India lovebabaji
good article
2014-05-14 18:49
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