ESEA comments on Titan exit

30-4-2014 19:04

ESEA has issued a statement to comment on Titan's withdrawal from the Invite division.

Earlier on Wednesday, Titan manager Jérôme "NiaK" Sudries revealed to HLTV.org that his team had been forced to withdraw from ESEA Invite due to the league's restrictions on roster changes during the season.

Titan were not be able to register Kenny "kennyS" Schrub, who was signed on Monday, and were thus left with a four-man roster in the league as it would be impossible for them to play with Richard "shox" Papillon.

ESEA has now issued a statement to comment on the matter, reminding that "players and organisations are responsible for familiarizing themselves with the rules and tournaments they compete in", this way blaming Titan for not knowing the roster lock schedule for the Invite league.

The North American organisation went on to defend its roster lock rules as they "protect players and organizations from screwing over one another and protect other teams from having ringers unjustly step in at the last minute."

Below you can find the complete statement from ESEA, taken from the league's official website.

"The roster lock for ESEA League Season 16 ran through Sunday, April 27th. Unfortunately Titan came to us after the roster lock had passed to make a player change, and we denied their request to make a player substitution.

"Titan management claimed that the players were unaware of the roster lock schedule and policy. Players and organizations are responsible for familiarizing themselves with the rules for the leagues and tournaments they compete in, and we do our best to clearly communicate any potentially confusing policies with the community. The roster lock for example was clearly communicated in red letters on the top part of every page on ESEA.net as a countdown clock with how much time teams had left to make any changes. That countdown clock was visible for over one week.

"Furthermore, while discussing the situation after we denied Titan a special reprieve, it became evident that their team had been discussing the change since Copenhagen Games. During that period, they could have confidentially approached our League Admins or Commissioner to alert us of their forthcoming roster move and we could have worked with them to find a solution.

"It is our position that the roster lock helps ensure that the players competing all season long to qualify for the LAN Playoffs are the same players that have the chance to compete for over $40,000. The policy protects players and organizations from screwing over one another and protects other teams from having ringers unjustly step in at the last minute.

"As a league, it has been our position to consistently and fairly enforce all of our rules. The players and management of Titan have been tremendous supporters of ESEA over the past two years, and we’re disappointed that they won’t be able to further participate this season, but it is important for us as a league that we maintain the competitive integrity for all competitors regardless of organization or individual pedigree.

"Moving forward we will work to more proactively alert media outlets of the roster lock in the hopes that they communicate it on their website (HLTV.org and ESEA News have agreed) and our League Admins will individually remind team captains of the roster lock window as it approaches."

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2014-04-30 19:05

26 replies

It's weird how they stick to the rules when it's convenient to themselves? What about when they were found out to have trojan bitcoin mining code in their anti-cheat software? So it's okay for them to give everyone trojan bitcoin mining software but not okay to give an obviously great team, 1 more day and make an exception for Titan.

2014-04-30 19:31

21 replies

2014-04-30 19:51

those are two totally different scenarios. the bitcoin mining has literally nothing to do with the rules in any way. Titan should have read the rules.

2014-04-30 19:54

11 replies

moral, do you know it ?

2014-04-30 19:58

6 replies

2014-04-30 20:02

it's clear you don't run a business. if the community found out that titan got a pass and later on during the esea season another team tried to do the same thing as titan but was denied by esea, how do you think that would unfold? rules are created for a reason and if they make exceptions for certain teams depending on their influence within the community it would reflect very poorly on esea. if titan wants to call themselves professional, they have to act like professionals.

2014-05-01 01:46

4 replies

2014-05-01 04:52

+1. all dummies saying "omg bitcoin" which doesn't even apply to this topic.

2014-05-01 17:22

Well, you should ask dazed/steel or any other player from Source how they feel about it. Because ESEA has bent the rules at times, one of which was letting a player who was banned still play at the LAN(Legend when he aliased for a friend's team in open), while denying the same rights to other teams later on(dazed like a season later).

2014-05-01 21:49

This

2014-05-02 03:14

Brand new account with one comment. Possible ESEA admin trying to defend their shitty company? Kappa

2014-04-30 20:49

3 replies

+100%

2014-04-30 20:59

2 replies

+200%

2014-05-01 00:15

1 reply

2014-05-01 08:32

2014-04-30 20:03

It's convenient for them to lose titan as a competitor in their league and final events? au contraire! Please tell me I do not need to explain why?

2014-04-30 22:19

Btw I am not happy ofc with this and would have liked to see them make an exeption. maybe if shoxie were to write a mail stating he doesnt feel screwed over if kennys plays on in this league/tourney instead of him and relegating his rights to a piece of the prizemoney which may become titans?

2014-04-30 22:24

2014-04-30 23:00

stuff it you need it

2014-05-01 08:32

The bitcoin thing is WAY overblown.

2014-05-01 19:54

2014-05-01 22:40

i call that fair rules are rules

2014-05-02 02:02

Titan is toooo stroooonk for ESEA. haha :D

2014-04-30 19:40

2 replies

Indeed: hltv.org/match/2286387-titan-ibuypower-e.. #NOT

2014-04-30 19:57

1 reply

youre indeed #STUPID

2014-04-30 20:04

and if they allowed titan to have the roster change after the lock everyone would be mad that esea bend rules for professional teams and no one else whats 'bad' about esea following their rules?

2014-04-30 22:20

Let them play! Let them play!

2014-04-30 19:05

lel

2014-04-30 19:06

Seems like ESEA has a good excuse. Rules are rules.

2014-04-30 19:07

11 replies

They always have a good excuse, try ask them about the BitCoin "Scandal" .. :D:D

2014-04-30 19:16

10 replies

2014-04-30 19:16

lmao americans this was like the biggest joke ever...

2014-04-30 19:30

7 replies

i just figured out you are an extremely impatient and arragont person and most of the hate comments about americans are always from you .. sad that you dont completely understand that no team is special frenchy (:

2014-04-30 19:37

2 replies

opinions...

2014-04-30 20:00

1 reply

true, i'm just not sure why anybody should feel special is this case

2014-04-30 20:06

Go to shower plz, stinky french fries

2014-04-30 19:59

2 replies

Yeah sure, lets eat frogs and snails, wear an ugly beret, and so on and so on. Poor "finnish" you are.

2014-05-01 15:02

1 reply

2014-05-01 15:02

Also don't lump all Americans together on this, most of the top NA teams don't agree with this decision either.

2014-05-01 00:45

Hey dude, it was a rouge anti-cheat employee that did that ... Kappa

2014-04-30 21:06

who cares? Nobody goes anyway

2014-04-30 19:07

2 replies

Seriously who gives a fuck? It's not like Titan are going to cry over a league nobody from europe cares about anyways. It only hurts ESEA worse, which is a good thing.

2014-04-30 20:53

1 reply

It is a good thing to hurt the only thing keeping your scene alive?

2014-05-02 08:26

proof that there was more to the shox incident because if it was just about a girlfriend they would have no problem playing with him.

2014-04-30 19:07

3 replies

this

2014-04-30 19:25

and play on lan with shox in 2 month? -_-

2014-04-30 19:52

It's not the point really.. They need more playing time offline with kennyS for the major events coming up... ESEA LAN would be a perfect first offline event for them to 'mingle' again and gain some chemistry. It just seems like a waste of time practicing for an event online with a player that is no longer playing for your team...

2014-04-30 20:35

esea sucks ass but they re right. stop acting like a bitch and suck it up.

2014-04-30 19:07

It's still bullshit that a team that has a member leave not be able to participate in a league they have been in for a while. Rule should be different at this high of a level

2014-04-30 19:07

10 replies

+1 You dont throw out a top team because they need a roster change. Sure preventing the hopping between teams and last minute edits is fine. But just have a 3 day, or week waiting time after adding a player before they can go active in the team. Enough leagues do that, and it works OK. That way they at least can keep competing. We wanna see the best teams! =D

2014-04-30 19:58

8 replies

Your an absolute idiot, Look at any other major sports league? How about the English Premier League? They have roster locks 2x a season with a period between july and sept and the month of jan that players may move around(within the EU leagues) Titan should have paid attention to the site instead of doing their own thing. Really though I put this on Titan Management. Thats your job.

2014-04-30 21:04

7 replies

100% True. This is total missmanagement from Titan's side. No doubt.

2014-04-30 21:08

Comparing EPL to a 40K small-scale Esports tournament? I don't think you can justify calling someone an absolute idiot when you proceed to make an idiotic analogy.

2014-04-30 21:10

3 replies

2014-04-30 21:21

2014-04-30 22:02

Thats a totally different argument than what entfy was arguing against.

2014-05-01 03:10

+1 entfy toostrong. no joke tho, my thoughts exactly.

2014-04-30 21:21

The reason behind the transfer window is because of the huge amount of money involved. How many pro gamers get 300,000 a week? Free Agents can transfer at any time :D

2014-05-01 14:18

Yes they should have different rule set for toptier teams. But now they pretty much have their hands tied rules are rules thats simple. The only thing that prolly could change this is all the other teams refusing to participate if titan can't have their roster change. Titan shouldn't be too much of a threat for them atm anyway..

2014-05-01 20:30

lol esea is a joke

2014-04-30 19:07

''"Furthermore, while discussing the situation after we denied Titan a special reprieve, it became evident that their team had been discussing the change since Copenhagen Games. During that period, they could have confidentially approached our League Admins or Commissioner to alert us of their forthcoming roster move and we could have worked with them to find a solution. '' interesting

2014-04-30 19:08

2 replies

If true, then Titan should have indeed stepped up sooner.

2014-04-30 19:59

seems like hearsay lol

2014-04-30 20:36

Is different member left of a team... with... team kick member.

2014-04-30 19:08

stupid rule, what would they say to a team that had a member break an arm for example and wouldn't be able to play. "soz guys u cant play cause ur m8 brek his arm no stend in allowed refl"

2014-04-30 19:10

13 replies

hahaha ++++1

2014-04-30 19:54

Happened once. Curse had to skip the ESEA lan finals because emong fractured his wrist.

2014-04-30 19:56

1 reply

These kind of things are a bloody shame I think its good how they enforce rules and not make exceptions for big names, but they should amend this silly rule (not just in this case but indefinitely)

2014-04-30 22:30

lol

2014-04-30 20:37

dont think the rule accommodates for broken arms. the rule is about team hopping not breaking bones, its up to the team to have a sub ready already in the roster which is usually the manager

2014-04-30 22:23

8 replies

That brinfs a Q to my mind, does titan have a manager? :p

2014-04-30 22:31

7 replies

good point, I forgot that theyre in titan now and their manager in verygames was naik

2014-04-30 22:34

6 replies

Did this naik guy have any css csgo exp.? Would be good for a team to have someone who has exp as manager/backup, so that in a case like this there would still be a chance of placing for and maybe even doing good at the finals

2014-04-30 22:42

5 replies

the rule is about all roster changes/issues. not just team hopping. it says "no ringers unjustly stepping in" so all stand ins basically, if someone broke their arm they wouldn't be able to get a new player, or if someone retired or quit the team for whatever reason. it makes no sense because its a win-win situation for titan to be in the competition. esea get entry fees and a big eu name at their lan so more popularity, titan get the chance to win a tournament. considering titan were the only eu team to go last season and are a team that would be likely to go again (most eu teams won't/don't for whatever reason be it visa or cost issues) its a bad move on esea's part. it takes mystik's best player away, yes, but they already got their replacement in line which means titan should have acted earlier. tbh titan have a far better chance of making the lan because they're a bigger org with more funding regardless of the league standings.

2014-04-30 23:02

4 replies

I know and I agree man, see my post 199 fpr instance

2014-04-30 23:47

3 replies

titan have an amazing manager, he does soo much for them and the scene. No idea if he has a css background.

2014-05-01 02:05

2 replies

He was with em as long as i can remember. I think since krl era ended and ex6 joined.

2014-05-01 09:30

Oh so this niak guy someone else mentioned from their vg time? Thanks

2014-05-02 00:13

bad move esea bad move -_-

2014-04-30 19:10

ESEA are faggot f*cks, but it seems that Titan completely neglected the rules in this case.

2014-04-30 19:10

considering titan hasnt played a match from the lock till now, i dont see no reason to not let them play as the idea behind the player change is to avoid screwing one another, obviously that is not the case here

2014-04-30 19:10

People are laughing their asses off but rules are rules and if ESEA would have done and exception for Titan it would be more ackward than it is now.

2014-04-30 19:12

6 replies

Just saying "we are aware we lack of communication, we'll be flexible this time, and leave a chance to improve next season" would have been akward ? They would have shown some comprehension, that's all.

2014-04-30 19:27

5 replies

It's happened many times before. ESEA has always taken this stance. I don't get why anymore is surprised...

2014-04-30 19:57

4 replies

It was unadapted to the CS scene before, it is still now. That's all ;)

2014-04-30 19:59

3 replies

... what ?

2014-04-30 20:00

2 replies

CS team always have been unstable, their where always changes in middle of some league season. No european league came with such silly rules because of this.

2014-04-30 20:04

1 reply

And guess what? Teams SHOULNDT be unstable. This also isn't the middle of the ESEA season. This is also a EU league so technically the rule exists in an EU league. Roster locks are NOT a new thing.

2014-04-30 20:08

true judgment, nice ESEA. I'm looking forward to the next one. gl Titan

2014-04-30 19:13

Basicly ESEA claim they are assholes and proud of it. At least they admit ;)

2014-04-30 19:14

Retarded

2014-04-30 19:15

I'll repeat myself here, a standard should be created that all professional leagues follow, jsut as it is in football, basketball etc. regarding transfers

2014-04-30 19:16

i think shox should come and play just this tourney

2014-04-30 19:17

1 reply

Cant unless he plays all he online matches left aswell obviously titan isnt so dumb to give up all those practice nights with their new member (which will have impact on several leagues and events) for one event...

2014-04-30 22:34

-shox +kennyS stupid rule for Invite Division professional rosters always in change

2014-04-30 19:17

it's because shox #gotkicked. if he wasnt, he would be able to play one godamn tournament. #gotkicked

2014-04-30 19:18

I dont fuckin get this fuckin bullshit "As a league, it has been our position to consistently and fairly enforce all of our rules" "but it is important for us as a league that we maintain the competitive integrity for all competitors regardless of organization or individual pedigree" ESEA doesnt give a fuck about players or teams. They are fuckin dumb league with dumb admins. If someone trully cared about that LAN they would use some logic and their dumb murican brains. There is a middle reasonable ground which they just cant event think of. Sure that someone as butthurt as them will say over and over the same shit about rules.

2014-04-30 19:23

6 replies

Have you ever heard about broken rules becoming an argument for others?

2014-04-30 19:35

5 replies

Have you ever heard about using also a brain behind the rules ? I guess not.

2014-04-30 19:38

4 replies

A brain would enforce the rule it made.

2014-04-30 19:45

3 replies

Nope. It can do a bot.

2014-04-30 19:50

2 replies

Okay.. i give up

2014-04-30 19:54

1 reply

Was a good laugh 10/10

2014-04-30 22:05

I can understand the way it works, so a team doesn't make lan and just kick a player or 2 and get a sick player that didn't make lan just to place well at the actual lan, i do think with it literally being a matter of hours late and the size of organisation of titan plus their past dedication to playing esea and being the only european team to attend the previous lan they should probably make an exception.

2014-04-30 19:19

2 replies

+1. Rules are rules, but following every rule to the letter is almost always never 100% right, there is almost always exceptions. This 'rule', in this case, is bad for both Titan AND ESEA.

2014-04-30 19:28

1 reply

Not to mention no one benefits from this. ESEA just gets to pretend like they're important.

2014-04-30 21:07

n1 esea to deny the only team who attended your last final a rosterchange. hope no european team will attend it this year again

2014-04-30 19:22

on a scale from 1 to 10 how idiotic is this shit ??????????????????

2014-04-30 19:22

1 reply

JAJAJAAJAJ 10

2014-04-30 19:30

should let them play, i mean, its not like a shitty orga is changing shitty players

2014-04-30 19:23

So how will Clan-Mystik play without Kenny?

2014-04-30 19:24

9 replies

like they would qualify for the LAN anyway lel

2014-04-30 19:28

1 reply

That doesn't change his statement, does it? He's right too.

2014-04-30 19:39

They will probably play with SF.

2014-04-30 20:02

6 replies

Uhh, SF is in the lineup

2014-04-30 21:08

5 replies

So theyll probably use him jk ;D

2014-04-30 22:37

4 replies

I meant MaT T_T

2014-04-30 23:04

3 replies

They wont be alowed.

2014-04-30 23:17

2 replies

Why not? If another fifth was already on the roster it shouldnt be a problem?

2014-04-30 23:50

1 reply

This. MaT is paid and even played a match during the regular season.

2014-05-01 02:55

"it became evident that their team had been discussing the change since Copenhagen Games"... humm

2014-04-30 19:26

i dont like that particular rule, but i fully agree with esea. rules are rules. it's not the job of the organisation to make the teams read them

2014-04-30 19:28

1 reply

2014-04-30 19:43

ESEA, you really need to get your shit together and reconsider your decision. If you're not being more flexible with your rules and don't understand when they're useful and when they're not, it'll be your own loss.

2014-04-30 19:29

It was the right decision because it wasn't even another option. I guess and hope that shox will attend with Titan.

2014-04-30 19:30

8 replies

he won't, titan already dropped out. it was NOT the right decision, regarding a top2 team in every aspect of the game, stability-wise too. people saying rules are rules, when the rules themselves are just bullshit.

2014-04-30 19:32

6 replies

so any team should be able to switch out players in and out at anytime?

2014-04-30 19:36

5 replies

no, but that was in that case way too restrictive. it's the only tournament doing that, while in europe we have 10x the competition you have in NA so...

2014-04-30 19:42

3 replies

so the professional teams should be allowed to change players and bend the rules whilst any other team in IM or Open can't?

2014-04-30 22:26

2 replies

For the EU scene, yes. This rule was put in place because of NA teams stealing players right before the lan, causing some lan bound teams to disband even after they've qualified. ESEA sucks when it comes to understanding the context behind their own rules. Only small children follow rules word for word 100% of the time without actually thinking about the bigger issue.

2014-05-01 02:08

1 reply

Go to a bank, make a deal with them and don't follow rules to the letter. Than ask them to bend it for you just because you live in Europe and not in America. ESEA had this rules before season started. Every participating team has agreed on them when they joined the league. In this case it's Titan's fault for not reacting sooner or preparing a stand-in when that was allowed. Forcing rules as ESEA just did can only benefit Gaming Community as it will put some order into it. Having constant lineup changes is destroying teams and organisations as we can see in gaming history. Some order on worldwide scale is more than welcome for gaming.

2014-05-01 15:34

man its NOT like a shit team having a fun with the exchanging of players...Titan gr8 org

2014-04-30 19:59

It wasn't even another option? They could choose not to enforce a rule that was barely infringed and that doesn't remotely apply to the reasons to which it was enforced.

2014-04-30 19:33

retarded move by ESEA.. nothing more to say, they are overprotective over some rules but not so much about the more important rules.. just retarded.. LET TITAN PLAY

2014-04-30 19:31

1 reply

Let Titan learn to read rules and react professionally.

2014-05-01 15:35

Very professional statement, this was a nobrainer for ESEA. Rules are rules and Titan failed in beeing prepared and aware of their surroundings.

2014-04-30 19:36

10 replies

A no name team has the possibility of changing rosters to fuck people over. Titan don't. It makes no sense. End discussion.

2014-04-30 19:35

3 replies

I dont use ESEA, i just assumed everybody followed the same rulebook. Thanks anyway

2014-04-30 19:37

1 reply

Wait, I meant, you could understand having the rule for no name teams who WOULD screw someone over, because then it makes sense. But Titan aren't screwing anyone, which is why the rule is there, which is what makes no sense. :D I failed at that last sentences coherence

2014-04-30 19:47

ask clan mystik how they feel about their best player being taken from them. mystik is now 5-5 in the league still with a chance to qualify for the lan finals.

2014-04-30 19:45

It only applies to the top four teams, and I'm sure just as large a ruckus would've emerged for any of those, as ESEA is the only league with a policy of this kind. 'Rules are rules' is just a meaningless justification. What matters is the effects of that rule, and whether they serve the purpose they were placed there for. In this case, the rule aims to prevent people from getting screwed over. What's happening right now?

2014-04-30 19:44

5 replies

what's happening right now is titan has "stolen" a player from a team in the same division that still has a chance to qualify for the finals. mystik still has a chance to qualify for the lan. titan's roster change DOES directly affect another team in the same division

2014-04-30 19:47

4 replies

And how exactly is this policy helping Mystik? It's justifiable to screw one team over for screwing over another? In this case, it was a player joining a team that he thought was better for him. Their aim here is to... Have that player stay with a worse team by punishing him for switching? I doubt this is an example of a situation the rule was consolidated for.

2014-04-30 19:56

3 replies

it's not helping mystik, the rule is in place to try to discourage this type of behavior. titan did it anyway and are being punished for it. there is a similar rule in place in all professional sports.

2014-04-30 20:03

2 replies

+1 inflnlty

2014-04-30 20:31

This isn't the type of behavior they meant to punish >.>. How does it make sense to punish a team because one of their players left, and for the fact that they got a replacement for him? They meant to punish teams for kicking players and getting better ones at the last minute, in which case that player is definitely being screwed over. There's nothing like that here, so their policy is just being enforced for the sake of it. Which would be understandable, but considering that they didn't demonstrate any unethical behavior, combined with the fact that they missed the deadline by a few hours well after the change was actually implemented as the policy allows, they're punishing them more on a technicality rather than any reasonable desire to safeguard their rules.

2014-04-30 20:57

Fuck Aluminati!!!! :D But... "It is our position that the roster lock helps ensure that the players competing all season long to qualify for the LAN Playoffs are the same players that have the chance to compete for over $40,000. The policy protects players and organizations from screwing over one another and protects other teams from having ringers unjustly step in at the last minute." Yes? And Titan are clearly not in that boat you brainless apes. Somebody needs to create eseb.net and wash these noob leagues away. Ya her me?

2014-04-30 19:34

None of you play for ESEA, it would be COMPLETELY unfair to let Titan just a player in because NO OTHER team is ESEA is aloud to do this. This is extremely unprofessional of everybody here on HLTV and Titan to accuse ESEA of anything but professionalism for upholding a deadline that EVERYBODY else had to follow and agree by.

2014-04-30 19:35

16 replies

its kinda different with pro teams with contracts, its not like a random open team that wants to change 5th every week. im sure they could've made an exception

2014-04-30 19:38

15 replies

No its not different, all of the other pro teams are professional enough to learn deadlines for leauges, other teams want to change fifths, why should Titan be so special?

2014-04-30 19:40

8 replies

Clearly this was unforeseeable, they're paying a substantial amount of money to enter in the first place. I don't see why ESEA would be so stubborn about it, there's no real reason, it just makes the tournament less competitive, ESEA gain nothing from this.

2014-04-30 20:06

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Its more of the fact that Titan is complaining about it. ESEA doesnt have to gain anything or lose anything from this. Rules are rules and they have never changed them. Titan is asking to be a special case why? because they couldn't click the ESEA website just once and see the huge visible timer at the top of the website warning you for over a month that roster locks where happening up the the SECOND the closed. Talk about asking Esports and ESEA to be so unprofessional and say "duh any rule can be bent, we aren't a serious organization or anything trying to establish ourselfs in the gaming industry"

2014-04-30 20:16

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This is a message to all EU Open/Intermediate teams. Make sure if you have any remaining matches that they are played in the next week. Contact your opponents on the match page to organize a time and let an admin know via a support ticket once you have agreed a time. Any matches that have not been played in a week's time from now will be randomly defaulted. This is an email I recieved this week. ESEA already bend the rules for invite teams. Your point is invalid. I do agree with you that Titan should have made contact with them, but with ESEA being so stubborn when they already break their own rules all the time makes no sense for them or the CS scene in general.

2014-04-30 20:25

3 replies

this was because of the update, and then you said that they bent the rules for invite teams when it clearly says in your copy paste that its to all open and IM teams ... oh man this is becoming pretty stupid by you :D

2014-04-30 20:48

2 replies

sigh

2014-04-30 22:51

are you a brickhead or what? his point is clearly they are giving different scheduling deadlines for open/intermediate than to invite, so why can't they do the same with the roster.. what are you even talking about with an update? they sent this message out yesterday

2014-04-30 22:53

You say ESEA never changes their rules? Have you even kept up with the Invite division the past 5 seasons? Hilarious.

2014-04-30 20:53

If we can agree on this titan part what you said. We must also agree on something far more dumb and questionable. And it is how ESEA is retarded. As was stated many times " What matters is the effects of that rule, and whether they serve the purpose they were placed there for." Using blind rules without knowing anything what is their purpose is far more worse thing.

2014-04-30 20:13

titan could have changed their 5th as many times as they wanted up until sunday

2014-04-30 20:04

5 replies

Yes, and what exact difference does it make if they get 2 hours more, besides them not emulating the policy word-for-word?

2014-04-30 21:15

4 replies

Yes, and what exact difference does it make if they had made the roster change 2 hours earlier nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000151159/arti.. there is an example of a situation that occurred in professional sports.. a players agent was about 25 minutes late sending a fax. the team came to within 1 minute of the deadline and cut the player. ONE MINUTE. that is how a professional organization acts

2014-04-30 21:21

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So we agree, there is no difference. So why ban them? That's exactly my point. About that analogy... First of all, that's the NFL. One of the advantages of a smaller-scale organization is that the rules can be bended when the need for it arises. ESEA could easily justify making an exception here and no one would blink, and a team gets to play. Meanwhile, if the NFL made an exception, the media would be on their ass and would cause shit loads of problems. Second, that's a deadline. The team obviously needs that contract done by a certain time, and they have to place one somewhere. This is a deadline on a policy put in place for reasons extraneous to why Titan couldn't follow them. Third, that's a player, this is an entire team. If you want to exaggerate the situation then you can't ignore the parts where it's disproportional. Fourth, you just used an example to justify it. Unless you actually see reasonable logic in punishing a team for not following a policy word-for-word, despite the fact that they showed the ethical behavior the policy requests, why punish them on a technicality when ESEA has could easily justify it. It's as if they don't care about the rule itself, and don't mind the fact that a team got tangled up in it by means the policy didn't mean to discourage.

2014-04-30 21:51

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the difference between 2 hours later or 2 hours earlier is that one is before the deadline and one is after the deadline.

2014-04-30 22:17

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A deadline put in place to fulfil a purpose that Titan had abided to...

2014-04-30 23:36

like with all tournament, cs go team ll have to manage with a transfert month like in football (soccer for usa :p) ?

2014-04-30 19:36

I disagree on the change from 2weeks to 2months, no matter what "official statements" you're publishing, or what clock is visibly ticking. I think ESEA should just let them play, because: 1- they missed the "deadline" by 1day & 2- Esea should try to keep the EU ESEA side alive, and not help dig the hole for it's grave.

2014-04-30 19:38

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Lol .. if you go to the ESEA website its the biggest thing clicking down at the TOP of the website, that means they never even clicked on the website let alone understand the rules?

2014-04-30 19:41

Blaming Titan, the player and the manager for not knowing the rules is fair enough. But this being said, the lake of unified rules (federation) and the multitude leagues, tournament and whatnot make it harder for them catch up and to some extend would make any change very difficult. What if each leagues issue different locks ? ESEA explained that policy is to protect players and team not screwing one another. So they should concentrate on the goal of that policy rather than enforcing it blindly. If all parties are alright with it they should allow Titan to play. Specially when the deadline was missed by such a small margin. I don't think anyone would blame ESEA for favoring or something.

2014-04-30 19:38

Rules are rules RIP TITAN

2014-04-30 19:42

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2014-04-30 19:43

Idiots are idiots Only computers apply rules blindly. Rules are a mean to an end.

2014-04-30 19:57

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"a rule isn't unfair if it applies to everyone" so about your thread, calm your tits dont be like other frenchies

2014-04-30 20:02

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I wrote it was fair enough. But bending the rule is fair if every parties involve are alright with it. Not only it's fair but it's would be the smart thing to do specially in such a fragile business. It's not about being french really, I would have said the same for any other top tier team. And the only real party that can complain about it is also french. But I guess you gonna have to take my word for it.

2014-04-30 20:19

FUCK ESEA

2014-04-30 19:45

Seriously though, nobody even bothers to fly all the way there, and they refuse to only european team that didn't shit on this lan last season

2014-04-30 19:46

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2014-04-30 22:13

they could make an exception as there werent so much delay from titan, and everyone wanna see them playing. ESEA are idiots.

2014-04-30 19:51

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"a rule isn't unfair if it applies to everyone"

2014-04-30 20:00

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No one's claiming it's unfair, they're claiming it's absurd... Take your sayings to an elementary school, I'm sure they'll find them clever there.

2014-04-30 23:46

rules are rules

2014-04-30 19:57

A proffesional solution would be to give maybe 1 more week (or less) to EVERY team, not just Titan, to be able to change their rosters. The rule is fine, the aim is to prevent last minute roster changes, but 2 months ?? Is few hours late really such a last minute roster change ? I don't think so. They have agreed to make teams more informed about this lock, that means they realize that some teams may have been unaware of the lockdown. All of them are aware of it now, so maybe giving one more week wouldn't hurt anyone so much ?

2014-04-30 19:58

okay, more statements please! but seriously lets hope that some europeans do go there.

2014-04-30 19:58

esea suckZZZZZZZ

2014-04-30 20:00

It isn't like Titan kicked shoxie out of the team and wanted to get a different player before the ESEA finals. He left the team so titan couldn't do anything, even if they did start talking about after CPH games.

2014-04-30 20:01

fk esea fk you esea FK YOU

2014-04-30 20:02

bureaucratic fools, the system is a fraud :p

2014-04-30 20:07

esea only cares about the moneyzzz. fuck esea

2014-04-30 20:07

Esea bad decision

2014-04-30 20:08

It's a shame that Titan can't participate in the finals but it's their own fault for not knowing the rules. They can't change once setup rules because that would open a gate that shouldn't be open.

2014-04-30 20:08

Cant really complain about that.

2014-04-30 20:16

Rules are rules! End of discussion!

2014-04-30 20:17

While I agree that it would look bad for ESEA to change the rules they in the past have stuck so rigidly to, just because they would profit from having Titan over, I on the other didn't really expect this. Some former players or teams that had been denied LAN because of a roster change might be pissed off if they let Titan slip through, but now that they don't allow Titan to attend, there will be much more drama among the community, resulting in more bad PR. Also, the lack of european teams in the past always leading to ESEA having what, 8k viewers on the main stream? Well, whatever. Couldn't shox stand in for them for the LAN? Without shox, Titan as an organisation might not even be interested in sending their squad overseas. Considering the high cost and the low price, and the fact that they have freshly undergone a major unexpected lineup change, I personally wouldn't expect much out of them. Maybe it's for the better they get to stay home and get rolling with kennyS. Be that as it may, project "Titan" at this point really seems to have failed... Losing their biggest star to chemistry problems, struggling results-wise. And an organisation as success-based as the singaporeans seem to be, I actually think the french guys will be released from their contracts should they not have an impact in the next major/bigger event. Sounds like Astana Dragons all over again.

2014-04-30 20:24

this is pretty retarded

2014-04-30 20:23

i think esea are right in this situation. if the roster lock was clearly visible on a countdown and titan knew they were going to be switching a player for over a week then its their fault for not notifying esea and/or making the change in due time. in retrospect esea are shooting themselves in the foot once again by forcing a top team to exit their league. titan might not have gone to the finals anyway due to the ridiculous expenses involved in travelling and staying in the USA at that time of year but i would have thought twice if i was esea.

2014-04-30 20:28

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IMO bending the rules for a team just because their really good is a bad idea, once you break the rules for one team you have to do it for all of them, otherwise its extremely unfair for lower tier and up and coming teams. I'm with ESEA on this one, as Titan forced Titan to exit the league, not ESEA.

2014-04-30 20:57

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i think esea are right in this situation. was the first thing i said, encase you were disagreeing with me :p

2014-04-30 21:32

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Well, I was disagreeing with the second part of your comment. I don't think ESEA shot themselves in the foot, I think Titan shot themselves in the foot, & now they're whining and blaming ESEA for their mistake.

2014-05-01 00:56

It's nice that ESEA is sticking by their rules but considering how fucked the NA scene is, you'd think they'd be intelligent enough to have this one exception. It's hilarious because Titan probably doesn't give a shit about this LAN. It's a lose lose situation for ESEA and NA.

2014-04-30 20:43

Rules are rules. I'm with ESEA on this one! Titan should've known better. Esports needs more professionalism.

2014-04-30 20:44

It's impossible they didn't know. Leaders & Captains got emailed about it. It was on the headliner for over 1 week... And it's the 3rd(?) ESEA season in EU now... Being the same every season.

2014-04-30 20:51

Well done ESEA. Of course its sad that Titan won't be at the finals, but they should have been proactive and talked to admins well before the roster lock. It seems like Titan is just whining because they didnt get their way, & I'm glad they didn't receive any special treatment because that would be unfair & bad for the scene.

2014-04-30 20:52

"Furthermore, while discussing the situation after we denied Titan a special reprieve, it became evident that their team had been discussing the change since Copenhagen Games. During that period, they could have confidentially approached our League Admins or Commissioner to alert us of their forthcoming roster move and we could have worked with them to find a solution." Yeah because Trust is something ESEA is renowned for.

2014-04-30 20:59

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"And by work with we mean we would have sold the story to whatever 2-bit cadred/redit poster wanted to give us a dollar for the chat logs." Please people none of the money you spend on esea accounts goes to bettering the game, in fact the contrary could be argued easier. Back in the days of CPL angel munoz did it for the love of the game and he retained his dignity. mOE and the esea admin have that in common, since either would do whatever it took to "get theirs".

2014-04-30 21:25

so they should continue being distrustful right?

2014-04-30 22:30

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I don't get what you mean, sorry. I am just pointing out that I wouldn't give trust to them with any information given, that doesn't mean to say they would definitely use it in anyway, I just wouldn't put my confidence in them not to do so.

2014-04-30 23:05

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What's the big deal about a roster change being "leaked" anyway? It's not like it would be detrimental to anyone & seems like a better option than keeping it a secret and being disqualified from the finals. Asides from that, I really don't think ESEA admins would publish confidential information like that anyway; nothing was leaked in regards to the iBP & coL roster changes and ESEA had inside information on that.

2014-05-01 01:00

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Well, what if Titan didn't want to reveal it at that particular time? Could be many reasons, contractual obligations, decisions not being fully made or generally just not ready. My comment is being taken far too serious now, it was more about the trust issue rather than the content itself. I didn't expect so many people to get annoyed from it. I was just merely trying to point out that I, for one and many others, don't trust them.

2014-05-01 10:49

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Well I'm not annoyed, I just don't see your logic I guess. :P

2014-05-01 12:13

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My Logic is: Situation that requires Trust and Having no confidence of trust in them. As I said, for me it doesn't matter how small the situation is. Trust is trust. :D

2014-05-01 14:14

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I get that, I just don't get WHY you'd need to trust them. The cons of keeping it a secret seem to far outweigh the cons of working with ESEA before the roster locks. I mean, assuming they placed well at LAN their decision cost them a lot of money.

2014-05-01 21:08

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I see your point too, again it was more about the humour side of it rather than a serious point :P as I have no doubts that Titan would rather play in the tournament than not. Although I don't know if the money plays apart since it is so expensive to travel to the tournament. :D

2014-05-02 09:34

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0 logic

2014-05-07 19:21

Good move by ESEA, noone need to be over them in their own league, if u tell ALL about rules and they broke it, thing is clear.

2014-04-30 21:12

Valve can completely bury this company and they really ought to. The admins are sorrowful pathetic plebs, and all valve has to do to put them out of work would be to create its own premium option, nobody state side I know like or respects esea, they are all just want for choice.

2014-04-30 21:12

so what if they bend the rules for titan right now. What happens next season when some shit team wants them to bend the same rule for them?

2014-04-30 21:26

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How would some shit team make their way to the play-off ? Oh yes I know ! Remove good teams because of overly rigid rules !

2014-04-30 21:42

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bc cs is cs and things like that happen...just like in college basketball when a #13 team beats a #3 team...

2014-04-30 21:54

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That can happen only in NA scene since it is the place where you should go looking for a shit teams. It is retarded to have a rule which should serve for a community where this shits happens everytime and same time for a community which is lightyears ahead. If anything is unfair is that EU teams should be measured by rules which are made for stone age NA community. Blame me as u want but this is exactly how it is in nutshell. Maybe harsh but true.

2014-04-30 22:10

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You can cry about it & blame the NA scene all you want, but blatantly ignoring a leagues rules will get you disqualified from any league or tournament regardless of whether its in NA, EU, Asia, or anywhere else. The rule was BLATANTLY advertised on every page of their website for at least a week & on top of that Titan has taken part in multiple season of ESEA, so they should be more than familiar with the league rules, especially the widely known ones such as roster locks. Titan only have themselves to blame, if the players and their management couldn't take 10 minutes to skim through the rules that's their own fault.

2014-05-01 01:05

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I thought canadians are atleast little bit smarter than rednecks. Ive never said it isnt fault of titans. What i wrote is a part about ESEA where they have stupid rules they arent able to use brain behind any decision. It was purely about how retarded ESEA is. If you cant see after all their scandals and how their admins are retarded. What kind of scum organization it is after all what happened in the past. Im feel sorry that you think that ESEA is organization which should deserve any respect. " but blatantly ignoring a leagues rules will get you disqualified from any league or tournament" And this is something so incredibly retarded and not true in this case. I love how you said blatantly ignoring. And no it isnt true. I know that it is hard to imagine in NA scene but there are actually púeople with brain who want for their league or event the best possible thing and can also use their brains. Not only repeating over and over the rule which didnt even served its purpose.

2014-05-01 09:10

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How didn't they blatantly ignore the rules? They waited until after the roster locks to try and make a roster change, even though they new well in advance that they were making the change.. That's against the rules, and they knew it.. Thus BLATENTLY IGNORING IT??? LOL... Btw, your generalizations about nations and intelligence just makes you look like an uneducated 13 year old. You're just a fanboy and hater, its obvious.

2014-05-01 10:42

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"even though they new well in advance that they were making the change" How do you know that ? Oh yes becaous organization well known for lying, putting bitcoin miners into their client and multiple scandals and retarded decision from the past said so ? How naive you are... I have no problem admiting that titan did a rather small mistake. I have no problem that it will cost em LAN finals. I have a problem what kind of scum ESEA is. They proved it multiple times. And you are unable to see it.

2014-05-01 11:00

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Lmfao. How naive am I? How naive are you!? You're saying just because ESEA says something its automatically untrue. If you think about the situation it makes a lot of sense for the team to have known shoxie wanted to quit. If they didn't know he wanted to quit wouldn't that have been part of their argument? Your just a fuckin fanboy hater spewing useless dribble. This has nothing to do with what kind of organization ESEA or any past scandals. This is about the rules of the league and their decision to enforce them.

2014-05-01 12:18

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"This has nothing to do with what kind of organization ESEA or any past scandals. This is about the rules of the league and their decision to enforce them." Im done. Sure that their past failed and epic fuck ups with lying and bitcoin mining and doing retarded decision says a lot about what kind of organization they are. You are blind if you dont wanna see that. Especially when its them who have full mouth about professionalism ? REALLY ? Now being sad that. This kind of organization created a rule which is nonsence. The rule doesnt even serve its purpose and they are unable to see it ad recognize. Yet they choose another retarded decision. And it is them again talking about professionalism. REALLY ? Ofc that this will only add to their massive hall of shame where they can stack up their already big pile of shit things they have done in the past.

2014-05-01 12:37

One more thing. You really think that being professional means enforcing the rule which is fucked up. Rule which they even dont uderstand. A rule which doesnt serve its purpose in this case. And not being able to think about it. That is professional ? Or is it profesional to have a rule which makes sense for NA teams where changes happen on daily basis. The same rule for a scene where nothing like this happens ? They talk a lot about how it would be unfair to make excpetion. This is fair ? Either way in both cases it is loss and another dumb proving decision for ESEA.

2014-05-01 12:50

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Your obviously a hater fanboy with no brain. I never once said ESEA was a good organization. This has nothing to do whether ESEA is good or bad as a company. Its about their decision to enforce their rules. You clearly can't even comprehend the purpose of the rule so bye. Not even going to brother reading anymore of your dribble.

2014-05-01 21:04

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"Your obviously a hater fanboy with no brain" 4th time you wrote this shit. Make it fifth and maybe kid like you will even believe it. " You clearly can't even comprehend the purpose of the rule so bye" What a retard you are without even noticing that they wrote what this rule is for and that it is not this case.

2014-05-01 21:21

Rules are rules, but there are always exceptions... Exception confirms rule...

2014-04-30 21:41

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Until exceptions swallow the confirmation of the rule I'm mixed on the decision but I think its right to stand by on considering all the problems they had in the past due flexing it.

2014-04-30 21:46

ESEA idiots.....

2014-04-30 21:51

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EU idiots*

2014-05-01 01:06

as much as i'm saddened by this decision i think ESEA did the right thing. after following the CS scene for over 12 years you kind of grow tired of teams changing players day in and day out, so i totally support this roster lock down, spartan as it may seem. i do understand that this is probably a special situation and Titan have actually been a very stable team, so maybe this may seem unfair to them, but rules are rules and if we want a "pro" scene it is important to be professional about it, which i believe is the case. maybe the rule needs to be adjusted, yes, but sticking to the rules is important, and it wouldn't be fair to change it before the end of this season. i just hope ESEA displays this type of behavior consistently and i also wish Titan make it to the next lan finals.

2014-04-30 21:54

boycott next season xx

2014-04-30 21:56

The Third Reich ended long ago ESEA; adhering to rules without applying common sense is nonsensical in itself. To claim your organisation seeks to "maintain integrity" of anything is fucking laughable. Who gives a fuck anyway. Their tournament is shit every year because the NA scene is in the fucking toilet. The fact that Titan aren't going is bad business for ESEA, not the other way around. Once again it shows that the admins and staff of ESEA are a load of useless, front-office monkeys.

2014-04-30 21:56

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Fanboy. If others respect rules and organisation, why Titan dont need and others need?

2014-04-30 22:03

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"Fanboy". Good one. Read my post you spastic, I even said "who gives a fuck". I don't care if Titan don't go or not, was just showing that ESEA's decision to uphold such a rule is moronic.

2014-04-30 22:10

stfu. rules are rules. stop qqing.

2014-05-01 00:17

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Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

2014-05-01 01:38

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Eye no now water yo sayang.

2014-05-01 01:55

"NA Scene is in the toilet" UK scene has tournaments every month and you still cant field 5 players who can beat any decent teams on LAN. give me a break, UK scene is full of bots. You guys even played source straight through to CS GO and you still blow ass.

2014-05-01 03:15

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Never said the UK scene is any good. Actually, the UK scene is fucking shit. What's your point breh?

2014-05-01 13:02

the third reich didn't end to be exact, the constitution of the reich is still effective. after ww2 it wasn't even possible to override it because germany was divided in a communistic east and a capitalistic west, after the reunification 1990 west germany just "absorbed" the east and acted like everything else has not existed.

2014-05-01 14:56

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Thank you for the information mein Kumpel. Though, I'm no historian, was merely using the term colloquially to refer to the totalitarian state under Hitler.

2014-05-01 15:09

staart an e petition for esea to allow titan to play. go go go! :D

2014-04-30 21:58

its so col can get invited

2014-04-30 22:23

Muricans, nuff said.

2014-04-30 22:25

fair, 100% Titan fault, they should blame their manager not ESEA. And stop trashtalking about the Bitcoin thing, they already paid their bill for that, and it's anyway totally unrelated with the Titan exclusion.

2014-04-30 22:30

Had they allowed Titan to attend with kennyS, there still would've been a situation in the future where a similar thing happens to another team and should they get denied, it would always be remembered as Titan having special treatment. Rules are indeed rules. ESEA are simply saving face. The mistake here was not notifying teams thoroughly enough about the roster lock. It's very unfortunate for the spectators and Titan =(

2014-04-30 22:36

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Esea had a countdown at the top of every page letting people know when the rosters lock.

2014-04-30 23:18

maybe if no EU teams go to LAN like last season they may ask Titan to join

2014-04-30 22:55

People who bring up the bit coin mining situation are retarded. Though i do not agree with that they did was right. But this isnt the case here, this has to do with roster locking its their league its their call.

2014-04-30 22:57

wtf are you want dude?

2014-04-30 23:05

"protect players from screwing over one another" Didn't Titan get screwed over from Shox leaving?

2014-04-30 23:08

Why is no one mentioning that esea had a countdown at the very TOP of their page letting everyone know when the rosters lock. Did NO ONE on titan visit their esea teampage at all?

2014-04-30 23:17

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I'm guessing they didn't read any of the rules and never visited the ESEA page.

2014-05-01 00:14

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All these people defending titan when its clearly theirfault

2014-05-01 01:03

I'm pretty sure that titan knew about the roster lock...just excuses that they could use kennyS but unlucky titan.

2014-04-30 23:31

those muricans...

2014-05-01 00:04

I'm with ESEA on this. Sorry Euros. Read the rules of the league you're in.

2014-05-01 00:12

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Last i checked secretly putting bitcoin code in a client was against the rules... I guess there was an exception made lel

2014-05-01 08:31

Seems they are all about policy, our good old ESEA. Oh wait, bitcoins. Scum.

2014-05-01 00:15

big fucking deal

2014-05-01 00:16

ESEA are retards... you want the best teams competing who gives a fuck if they made a roster change? they are a top team who deserve to be there.

2014-05-01 00:19

As I said before.. biggest fucking mistake. They're the only team that actually went there last year and now because shox left on his own will they were forced out.. great job ESEA, you surely show that you care about eSports. Even B-racks agrees that this is stupid. There would've been so many teams from EU this year and you kick out one of the top contenders like THE FUCK?

2014-05-01 00:43

The rule is stupid but it's there. Titan aren't owed exemption just because they're Titan.

2014-05-01 00:49

I think Titan should of just said nothing, and gone to the lan, claimed Shox's visa was denied and have KennyS come as a hurried backup, method and a few other players have played for teams at the lan simply because their 5ths couldnt get into the country before.

2014-05-01 00:49

ESEA did everything right blame it on the french naps

2014-05-01 01:09

ESEA expects Titan to be reading rules instead of playing CS. Wake the fuck up pathetic corporation /quit ESEA, show them who the real bosses are

2014-05-01 01:12

Americans -.-

2014-05-01 01:14

For 1 day? okokok esea pls suck :D

2014-05-01 01:19

Though I agree to ESEA's decision to expel Titan for not having awareness of the League's deadlines, I do feel that rules should be bent, knowing how close the roster change just happened in between 24 hours of the deadline. Titan should have monitored the deadline for they have been discussing the roster change since Copenhagen Games 2014 and could have alerted League administrators and figured out a way to work things out. ESEA should be lenient to Titan in order to compensate for the lack of competition in previous ESEA LANs. Without Titan, I feel highly disappointed to see another season where the competition is much one-sided. (Except season 15 where iBuyPower upsets Titan in a stunning 2 sets of BO3's in order to be crowned winner of ESEA LAN S15) Furthermore, it is a way to help grow CS:GO as a whole. ESEA is not as prestigious to the international world without arguably the second best team in the world, behind NiP. ESEA should consider this as a factor to preserve, maintain, and grow the CS:GO community. It is understandable that enforcing the rules is a significant part on ESEA's part but rules are meant to be broken. Take sympathy for Titan.

2014-05-01 01:22

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This guy right here should be president.

2014-05-01 13:39

good for them for "sticking to their policy" but they're losing a big entertainment factor for their LAN finals.....TITAN gone is 50k stream viewers out the window

2014-05-01 01:26

why can clan mystik still play there games in esea, can someone tell me ?

2014-05-01 01:44

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They already had registered reserves I guess. And Titan can't register kenny cos of the lock.

2014-05-01 01:49

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Ty !

2014-05-01 17:49

Well, the finals will be less interesting and they will have less viewers. ESEA failed twice.

2014-05-01 02:42

roster lock has been the same since season 1... it is obviously meant to discourage invite teams from building "super teams" last minute to win LAN money. Also pretty sure there is a ticking countdown displayed on the esea site and client at all times telling everyone how much time left until roster lock. Wake up Titan, the world doesn't revolve around you, just admit you planned poorly and accept the consequences.

2014-05-01 03:23

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"it is obviously meant to discourage invite teams from building "super teams" last minute to win LAN money" And yet it didnt served its purpose in this case. What a fail.

2014-05-01 09:25

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??? but the rule has never changed its like complaining that you should have gotten more time to file your tax return when the deadline had been April 15th for over 60 years. If you play in a league that is pay to play you should read the rules before you agree to compete. would you sign a contract before reading it and then complain that you sold your life away?

2014-05-02 02:50

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I think in this case it's like hiring someone to do your tax returns, then they decide they don't want to, thus you miss your deadline because it's too late to get a replacement. It's really both Party's are to blame for this situation. You can't really say it's all one persons fault? Although I feel it's more Titans fault for not reading the rules, but only if they did discus shoxie leaving for a while...

2014-05-02 03:53

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It is not like that either. Titan did mistake by they were kinda forced to do in situation like this. Maybe they did know a day before that they will have to find a replacement. But they just cant fast pick one player in a few hours just for a sake that they could play ESEA. The rule as they said is to protect teams from fucking each other. It makes sense in NA community where teams changing players everytime. That isnt the case in Titan. They are stable team which were unlucky that they were forced to change player so close to roster lock. I see more of a fault in this case 24h after roster lock ESEA isnt even able to think about it and repeating over and over same bulshit rule which has a big flaw in this case.

2014-05-02 08:24

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Well it's just, for me, they took KennyS from clan mystik. They kinda did screw over a team... Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Titan fan, maybe Titan didn't realise the rule was so strict? I know in other leagues they give you like one wild card where you can change a player, even if the rosters are locked. It's all a matter of perspective and experience I guess :/

2014-05-03 14:14

Even if Titan is not aware of roster lock, I think it's not Titan's fault because if they knew in early time that shox won't play with them, they will register KennyS as soon as possible I think.

2014-05-01 03:29

From what i can read between the lines is that Shox left the titan team in sort of a shock way, meaning i doubt the management team knew he was planning thus meaning he probably didn't bother to familiarize himself with the roster locking rules. And its only one day, I don't understand why they cant make this one exception. Not to mention ESEA will lose out on a lot of money from viewers, its going to be like the last ESEA where only NIP went and it was a snoozevest, no offence to the american teams but they just cant compete with the euro's.

2014-05-01 04:41

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Actually last ESEA iBUYPOWER beat Titans to win the entire Lan. So no.

2014-05-01 08:28

Hmm. Stupid ESEA.

2014-05-01 05:26

I would really like to see ESEA be more human about this. I see no harm in making an exception and accepting the roster change. See it as an individual case, and not be like: "Then we have to do it for everyone else that wants to do a roster change." Cause they dont. Cut Titan some slack for being supportive, traveling to US as the only EU team last season etc. They truely dont deserve this treatment at all. Rules are rules, but i dont think this benefits either part, which is why another decision obviously would be beneficial.

2014-05-01 09:11

bad

2014-05-01 11:02

I see the point in the roster lock, I really do. It stop teams from changing players throughout the league season for just any reason and or creating random teams before a tournament. Having said that, in this case I can see reasons as to why they could have allowed the roster change, despite the roster lock: 1. It is a genuine change of player for VALID reasons. 2. It is not random players or random teams that no one knows about. They are well respected in the community. 3. They provide genuine competition for the tournament. 4. They are reliable and would actually play all their games. 5. They have a vast following and can attract a lot of revenue for streamers/event itself. 6. They are one of the likely EU teams to travel to America for the LAN. 7. They were the only EU team who bothered to travel to America for the last LAN. 8. A few games had all ready been played and now teams have been given defaults which doesn't look great, even though Titan haven't gone through major changes/folded/cheated. The argument that allowing the roster change for Titan means you have to allow roster changes for any random team for fairness is just not true. The exception would be because of the reasons above, which other teams might not fit the criteria for. You might think it is favouritism but Titan have earned it with their reliability and great performances. I am in no way a fan boy, I actually prefer other teams over Titan. Either way I can understand the reasons but I think this is worse for ESEA than it is for Titan.

2014-05-01 11:16

Maybe they should look at adapting their rules to allow the application to make a small roster change, in which the ESEA admins take a look at the situation as a whole and then make the decision. If you meet a certain criteria then they can allow the change. This would still counter: random teams, full line-up changes, "super teams" being created for the one tournament and team folds but allow genuine roster changes like the one in this case.

2014-05-01 11:21

ITT: Salty Euros who live with their parents.

2014-05-01 11:29

It's all good. Rules are rules.

2014-05-01 12:17

Fuck ESEA, overpriced software and company itself just doing complications .. Just waiting for someone who makes something like ESEA for half the price or even less

2014-05-01 12:28

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how is about 6 € per month overpriced? Explain pls. Like..honestly. 6 € ...a MONTH ...OVERPRICED... ok.

2014-05-01 14:40

They should make an exception for Titan.

2014-05-01 14:22

Titan management claimed that the players were unaware of the roster lock schedule and policy. Players and organizations are responsible for familiarizing themselves with the rules for the leagues and tournaments they compete in, and we do our best to clearly communicate any potentially confusing policies with the community. amateur hour by titan lol

2014-05-01 14:36

" but it is important for us as a league that we maintain the competitive integrit" lol Banning top team = maintain the competitive? What a joke...

2014-05-01 15:11

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bitcoin mining through client on your premium members computers is real integrity.

2014-05-01 19:58

Actually make the effort to attend ESEA LAN finals. Play all seasons. Help organise more co-operation for EU teams to travel and make ESEA a less terrible LAN. Miss roster lock deadline by one day due to a player leaving. KICKED OUT, RESULTS NULL AND VOID.

2014-05-01 15:11

"screwing over" p professional

2014-05-01 16:40

a.pomf.se/frklgj.JPG lol im not resubbing, especially since esea will probably never be released on linux

2014-05-01 16:50

sad for them. i thought they'll show some good results but no. save starts for something bigger :DDDDDDDDDd

2014-05-01 19:36

ESEA have rules, Titan are idio.. who even don't know them. Team who join league and don't know rules LOL epic fail

2014-05-01 21:23

cannot change more than 1 player (1 is still acceptable) is more reasonable. Since it's team game and team's performance. So what will happen if 1 player get sick or accident ? All team need to rely on 1 player ?

2014-05-02 18:00