No CS:GO in IEM season 9

21-5-2014 15:09

ESL's Head of Commentary Paul "ReDeYe" Chaloner has confirmed that the ninth season of the Intel Extreme Masters will not feature CS:GO.

Last night, the ESL unveiled the first details about IEM season 9, which will kick off with an event in Shenzhen, China, from July 16th to 21st, which will also serve as a qualifier for the World Championship next year.

No details about the games that would be played this season were announced, but Paul "ReDeYe" Chaloner has guaranteed that Counter-Strike will not return to the IEM circuit just yet.

In March, ESL chief Michal "Carmac" Blicharz admitted that it would be very hard for CS:GO to be played at IEM events "due to logistical and geographical factors" as the game is not popular in areas like Asia.

bad news

2014-05-21 15:10

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2014-05-21 15:11

Pff. Don't understand why.

2014-05-21 15:12

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read article.

2014-05-21 19:03

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Michal "Carmac" Blicharz said: "CS:GO is one of the major games in esports, once again, which is really fantastic, but it is not a good fit for Southeast Asia or china, for example," he told ongamers.com. "That takes away a little bit of opportunity for us to use it in IEM to the fullest. "IEM is also logistically limited, we only have one stage, so we cannot have multiple games being played. "Therefore, due to logistical and geographical factors, we created ESL One for games like Dota 2 and CS:GO."

2014-05-28 05:14

Asians have good taste I guess. They don't play shitty console port versions of CS.

2014-05-28 04:28

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GO is still the best competitive fps game in the world and the numbers are only growing. The game is getting better every update. And you're telling me the game is bad?

2014-06-16 07:26

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It's not growing because of the merits of the game. s29.postimg.org/b1x1jle87/graph.jpg

2014-06-20 00:37

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2014-05-21 15:12

How unexpected..

2014-05-21 15:13

A while ago it was said that CS:GO didn't have the global audience it needed in order to be put on the IEM circuit. I'm curious to know why 1.6 did but CS:GO doesn't. Used to love watching CS at IEM.

2014-05-21 15:13

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Cs 1.6 had good asian teams..tyloo,estro,wmf etc etc..n the final year 2012 cs was dropped though

2014-05-21 15:25

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tyloo plays csgo, but they are all sucky in asia, like master guardian skill level at the most.

2014-05-21 21:24

What I don't understand is the fact they talk "global game and global audience" yet StarCraft2 has been Korean dominated for well over a year now, and that hasn't stopped them keeping it in the IEM Circuit. I don't get Intel/ESL's reluctance on including it and at least giving it a run for a full season to see how it gets on.

2014-05-21 15:27

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Hey there now! Actually, there were only 15 koreans in the top16 in Katowice!

2014-05-21 15:48

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lol! Then he forfeit his games right?

2014-05-21 15:50

Players and popularity are two factors. sc2 is only korean versus korean but with a global audience

2014-05-21 16:31

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And the occasional frenchman that dominates everyone (Stephano)

2014-05-21 21:38

would say csgo is about the same.. only good teams are from europe.. then you have two "ok" NA teams .. and thats basically the "csgo global scene" and some non-korean SC2 players could win tournaments with mostly koreans playing, i dont think any non-european team has won anything with more than 1 european team attending in csgo? not really bashing csgo, just dont think you can flame sc2 because both games are just as weak in "global esports"

2014-05-21 16:34

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Wasn't flaming.

2014-05-21 16:51

iBP won ESEA or what was it when they won against Titan in the finals.

2014-05-21 17:19

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"i dont think any non-european team has won anything with more than one european team attending" you're right, but i wouldnt even count it as a big international tournament with only one european team attending, it would be another thing if they had won while 2-3 european teams had attended. just too much class for NA teams in europe imo.

2014-05-21 17:52

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not enough competition in NA to help them sustain that level they end up in NA leagues battling semi-pro teams that anti-strat the shit out of them instead of playing their own game 4 teams could do some dmg internationally if there wasn't travel across the ocean involved, unfortunately they only have each other to drive the skill ceiling americans have a certain aim-heavy "style of cs" so progress is much slower than in EU where theres so many approaches playing against each other constantly

2014-05-21 19:26

The popularity of sc2 has been in rapid decline for a long time now(pros retiring left and right) and people are not watching the streams anymore.For instance CS-pros(NBK,Scream,Pasha,Neo and the NiP-guys) get a lot more viewers than any of those sc-pros.If im not mistaken csgo has been on the rise lately.Also people like me who just dont like MOBA games feel pretty leftout from the e-sports scene if there is nothing more than LoL and Dota2 in the tournaments.SC still interests me as in watching the finals of a big tournament but i cba to see the groupstages or any of the other matches.

2014-05-21 17:25

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i personally never watch SC2, i just think both the games are similar where one continent completely dominates everywhere else. i think this will be the last season for sc2 if it keeps declining, and only good things for csgo as it gets bigger and bigger :)

2014-05-21 17:58

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Stop talking sense you cunt

2014-05-21 18:28

Doubt it. As soon as the next SC2 expansion is released, the interest for SC2 will go up again, just as it did with the last. But it is only temporary, but it will probably give SC2 another season. Although the next expansion is actually the last expansion, and as we've seen with blizzard before, the last expansions tend to get really popular (SC:BW, Diablo 2:LoD, WC3:TFT). Also SC2 is stagnant, not declining.

2014-05-22 15:27

1.6 had asians teams such as tyloo, estro and more. Including us teams and europe ofcourse.

2014-05-21 16:00

1.6 had global audience back in it's time.

2014-05-21 19:08

this is reasonable, for righteousness sake

2014-05-21 15:14

Not sure why they are having SC2 over GO but whatevz. Swear Redeye said we need 70k viewers last year and then CS:GO would be in IEM. Well we've almost 4x'd that and I guess they decided not to :|

2014-05-21 15:15

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that was a throwaway comment made by someone who doesn't have any real power in which games are chosen for IEM. stop taking his word as gospel.

2014-05-21 18:18

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Actually ReDeYes is quite influential. Problem is as Carmac said, CSGO isn't global and hasn't caught on in Asia/SEA and is so-so in South America.

2014-05-22 02:35

Because the regions it will be taking place in doesn't really have a CSGO scene.

2014-05-21 18:26

Unfortunately CS:GO does not have a global audience at the moment.

2014-05-22 15:29

I'd rather have an european tour of EMS One than IEM.

2014-05-21 15:18

From a bussines point of view it is understandable but sad anyways. I hope they add CSGO for the stops in EU at least

2014-05-21 15:18

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absolutely not. from a business point of view it would make sense to include csgo and see it as an investment...pioneer steps like this have to happen if one wants to actively push the esports/fps/csgo scene. demand dictates supply, and on the other hand people only demand what is supplied.... asians would go crazy if all the worlds top teams would attend and would also agree to to some media shizzle. remember spawn's fanbase in asia?

2014-05-21 15:40

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and all the top teams would fly to the IEM stops? I'd like to think that, but if organisations strugle to fly teams to the US (last ESEA season), I dont think they will sent the players all over the world. Maybe NiP, Titan Na'Vi and VP, but noone else...

2014-05-21 17:48

big whoop

2014-05-21 15:19

does starcraft actually pull in the numbers it used to? The game and scene is on its ars atm isnt it?

2014-05-21 15:20

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From time to time it draws big audience, problem is that most ppl watching are non-korean and with a game that is so dominant by koreans and ppl feel they cant "relate" to koreans the same way they do to their fav players from EU / NA. Its kinda strange all in all, from my own perspective if i wanna watch a game i wanna watch the best players play it, not the players that write funny stuff on twitter and interact with their fans on streams -_-

2014-05-21 16:15

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People like to root for someone when they're watching eSports. It's easier to root for NaNiwa, than rooting for the random Korean.

2014-05-28 05:03

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yeah its sad that ppl cant enjoy the best players in the world without feeling connected to them in some way :|

2014-05-28 05:31

why would they have csgo in china no one gives a fuck about csgo in china

2014-05-21 15:21

I loved iem in 1.6. We need asian scene. C'mon volvo, do something, you have money to do that

2014-05-21 15:22

This was already said right after Katowice. Dota 2 and CSGO will get EMS, while LoL and SC2 get IEM. But I don't see the big fuz, last EMS was already bigger then any IEM we've had with any other cs.

2014-05-21 15:26

A major in Asia can be the solution.

2014-05-21 15:27

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+1 lets hope

2014-05-21 15:49

+1 lets hope

2014-05-21 16:25

+1 but VALVE is stupid.

2014-05-21 16:35

Great idea. There should be one in Asia and one in US. F.e. one in Asia, then DHW and then one in US Spring 2015.

2014-05-21 16:46

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let's not forget about katowice, great place to hold other majors in the future.

2014-05-21 16:50

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Don't want to be too greedy ;) It's 50 km from my home. I've been there all three days. Amazing event :)

2014-05-21 16:51

damn

2014-05-21 15:35

csgo isnt global. thats why esl has ems for csgo

2014-05-21 15:36

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SC2 so global... wow that game is dominated by Koreans

2014-05-21 15:38

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still global

2014-05-21 15:48

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Legends vs Fnatic 11:16 at MSI CS:GO Legends vs SK 13:16 Asians are pretty strong at CS:GO. youtube.com/watch?v=TQMEUeqIWG0 // and fnatic won DHW2013 after

2014-05-21 15:55

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I hope you're not serious.

2014-05-21 16:05

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Also CS is popular in Asia youtube.com/watch?v=4mP_0diIR4Q ProjectKR <3 memories

2014-05-21 16:09

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good ones as well :) youtube.com/watch?v=RIFoBtoVkzk

2014-05-21 16:11

PROJECT_KR <3 <3 <3 <3

2014-05-21 19:14

CS:EU/USA Offensive :O!!!!!!!!

2014-05-21 16:03

SC2 global audience Kappa

2014-05-21 15:37

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agreed

2014-05-21 16:29

1.6 was not populair in Asia eighter.

2014-05-21 15:40

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it was, plus they had the level to compete with the best teams

2014-05-21 15:47

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Because there was two teams to ever be able to compete, does not make it populair in Asia.

2014-05-21 16:00

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this wasn't my argument to prove that it was popular, and for that you don't need arguments but stats, and I'd like to see them if you claim that it wasn't (comparing with other games in Asia isn't what's gonna prove that cs wasn't popular, cuz obvisouly it wasn't as big as wc3 and sc broodwar)

2014-05-21 16:05

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Its obvious to everyone, that the Asian market never really was into CS 1.6. When 1.6 was at its peak, WC3 and Broodwar took all the attention. Without having legit numbers or anything, I would assume only like 10% of viewers were from Asian countries, and that is putting the percentage high.

2014-05-21 16:07

it was.. there was teams like wemadefox, tyloo etc. in csgo there almost nothing...

2014-05-21 15:50

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#77

2014-05-21 16:00

It was never as big as in the west, but it was certainly a lot bigger during a relatively long period than CS:GO is today. Otherwise WEG, WCG and e-Stars wouldn't have featured CS.

2014-05-21 17:22

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WCG wasn't always asian only

2014-05-22 00:54

Lol and sc2 dota2 is totally asians games especially sc2 and lolthey're really non lifers in those games they spend like 8hours per day playing so :)

2014-05-21 15:45

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The think is why the hell are they talking about "global audience" while Asia is a part of the world not "THE WORLD" should we wait until they PLAY THE GAME.......??

2014-05-21 16:21

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a major in asia would help

2014-05-21 18:00

Everybody knew they won't add CS:GO to IEM especially after promoting their new "ESL ONE". Doesn't really need a news post!

2014-05-21 15:46

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this! why people dont get it...

2014-05-21 15:48

and i unfollowed redeye. gg, we dont really need you edit: dont make me wrong, i loved redeye, he was 'the caster' but he doesnt appreciate the game, why would we pay him attention.

2014-05-21 15:47

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Dude, they said it right after Katowice that CS will be on separate EMS One and not on IEM. We might not like decision to keep it our of IEM, but we have to admit that ESL is doing best CSGO tournaments. Both last EMS One events were great.

2014-05-21 16:49

ESL One will be a brand for Dota 2 and GO.

2014-05-22 02:37

Koreans gave only game in which they are good in csgo got to the asses, and would be a disgrace, that's all

2014-05-21 15:48

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give me 1 good reason why they would waste their time in csgo over dota/lol/sc2

2014-05-21 15:52

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because CS:GO > CS online , crossfire , Sudden attack , AVA

2014-05-21 15:57

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2014-05-21 16:00

>csgo over dota/lol/sc2 >csgo over dota/lol/sc2 >csgo over dota/lol/sc2 >csgo over dota/lol/sc2 >csgo over dota/lol/sc2 >csgo over dota/lol/sc2

2014-05-21 16:02

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just look how huge CS online is in asia youtube.com/watch?v=ffXtClPpGcg question is why would they play CSonline over CS:GO? Also ProjectKR still exists youtube.com/watch?v=4mP_0diIR4Q

2014-05-21 16:07

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omg, u made me cry of happyness, is like 1.6 with some differences in the weapon skins i think

2014-05-21 18:49

Generally Asians are bad in FPS games...

2014-05-21 18:26

LOL

2014-05-21 16:00

I'm waiting for csgo to get popular in my country Singapore. Just waiting. Dota is so overwhelming here. :/

2014-05-21 16:00

how can a game be popular in Asia where they are all playing this fucking Counter Strike: ONLINE shit tell me RedEye

2014-05-21 16:05

Probably the right choice considering CS isnt that global. Also this community is the worst.

2014-05-21 16:22

Don't understand how people aren't bored of LoL yet.

2014-05-21 16:23

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dont understand why ppl arent bored of cs

2014-05-21 17:05

almost 15y of cs, why aren´t u bored of cs?

2014-05-21 17:37

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I watched my first CS 1.6 in TV i was 11 years old, then i played it and i still watching matches etc on the internet its not boring me, i find some excitment in it !

2014-05-21 18:45

no iem no cs:go (

2014-05-21 16:47

koreans will dominate iem9 :D

2014-05-21 16:56

n1, expected

2014-05-21 17:01

was obvious GO is even less global than 1.6 was at then end of its days. would be pointless to make tour stops in Asia when all viewers and players are from EU and NA.

2014-05-21 17:11

CS:GO won't be played in IEM but it'll be played in EMS like it has always been since 2 seasons ago

2014-05-21 17:23

iam in Shenzhen. not much people play csgo here.

2014-05-21 17:30

There was no dota2 on iem katowice because they have deal with RIOT creator of LoL, maybe now riot don't want to have cs:go as well on same events. ESL is a greedy bitch i'm sure when valve will start thinking about making new turnament they will be first to grab money. I hope next big event with valve support will be like dreamhack.

2014-05-21 17:35

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Riot doesn´t care about cs:go since isnt a competitor

2014-05-21 17:40

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riot care cs is volvo game = dota same like LCS players have contracts where cant stream other games when title said LOL i.e hearthstone, SC2, dota and more games from Volvo and Blizz riot is greed hard so one is DOTA CS:GO secend os LOL SC2 until Blizz lunch his MOBA

2014-05-23 15:17

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even yesterday meteos from c9 was playing league of legends and hearthstone at the same time. I know that they have some kind of restrictions about playing other games while streaming LoL but nobody knows 100% the truth of the contract they sign

2014-05-23 17:13

If you think about it why would we even care what the tournament is called if its a big tournament. It doesnt really matter if the tournament would be called something like "Scrotum-strechers Cup V" if we have best players playing and huge prizepools (they obviously go hand in hand).i just think that Valve could do something more like maybe include CS at The International.Just forget about IEM.EMS is enough.

2014-05-21 17:41

IEM without CS is not IEM.

2014-05-21 18:08

IEM missing out on a good game

2014-05-21 18:27

NICE!!!!!!!!! csgo dead pls shit game. 1.6 back hahehehheheheueheueheu

2014-05-21 18:28

IEM is just a brand, just like WCG and CPL, we can have better tournaments than this...

2014-05-21 18:30

so bad

2014-05-21 18:30

Why is this news though? Wasn't it stated at ems that it wouldn't be part of IEM?

2014-05-21 18:31

IEM will lost a lot on this

2014-05-21 18:40

Relax, they will have EMS for CS:GO and DotA 2 again, they have IEM for games which bring shitload of money, and EMS for Valve's.

2014-05-21 18:53

Funny thing is that SC2 numbers are even lower than the ones of CSGO. But they keep it cuz its cheaper to buy the plane tickets for a few koreans so the tournament don't suck ass. Also SC2 and LoL are games that have been pushed by their devs from day 1, it doesn't surprise me a bit to see IEM so interested in keeping those games in knowing how much they win by having Blizzard and Riot as allies. PS: Valve as usual plays the role of the kid in the back eating glue.

2014-05-21 19:04

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Blizzard push SC2..... are you clueless?

2014-05-21 19:14

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are you? Ever heard of WCS?

2014-05-22 03:01

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Yeh, but they dont push it half as much as they should. They also stopped developing and/or sorting out numerous issues with the meta-game of SC2, because they "don't want to change anything at this late stage". WCS is a bit of a joke considering the Regions are completely fucked over. Should I go on? The fact that you seem to believe that Valve don't do anything, is another amazing feat of dbie's much knowledge. Valve took from DotA2 and in CSGO they split the profits of the sticker capsules from Katowice, between all 16 organisations as a way for orgs to make money from the game. They asked pros at Katowice how they would actually like to make revenue within the game instead of heavily relying on just Twitch stream support. Let's not even mention what they do with DotA2 either in terms of helping eSports. Valve strangely are playing their cards for the long term as opposed to Riot who throw money at LCS and hope it sticks.

2014-05-22 09:49

"since day 1" lol do you even know when WCS got there? You do know Blizzard is actually receiving A LOT of criticism for not helping SC2. Also comparing blizzard to riot is so wrong. Riot paid to get their games featured in events, blizzard got paid to get their games featured, although I believe they dropped that policy now, but that was the reason MLG dropped WoW, because Blizzard wanted an absurd amount of money. If you think Blizzard help push their games you are very wrong. By the way, Valve does an amazing job.

2014-05-22 15:40

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"By the way, Valve does an amazing job." only for dota 2 From CS they only takes profits but i dnt see they give sth back or sth to CS GO could grow

2014-05-23 15:22

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What? Without valve we would never have gotten a 250k prizepool.

2014-05-23 19:26

oidhjawuihdawuihawdui really? Ever heard of BlizzCon, GOMTV, KeSPA? Valve does an amazing job? LMAO. You must be new, welcome to the eSports scene, dude.

2014-05-24 15:31

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?? is this for real? Based on what you are stating, it seems rather obvious you are new. I don't mind teaching you a little then. GomTV and kespa? Are you for real? Let me just refer you to this: gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/10265-bliz.. or this: giantbomb.com/starcraft-ii-wings-of-libe.. It was only last year when they formed the new WCS system they began "working" with Kespa. Kespa is not associated with Blizzard, are you drunk lol. There is a reason many believe blizzard is actually the reason for SC2 not becoming as big as BW in South Korea. Read about the dispute I linked above. Next time you try to be arrogant you should probably get your facts together. Bringing up gomtv and kespa was ridiculous, why would you start to argue against yourself? tl:dr: Kespa and gomtv has nothing to do with Blizzard, nice try though.

2014-05-24 16:51

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Have you even read the links you posted? Damn dude, you really must be new. google.com.pe/search?q=Blizzard+Starcraf.. Those links clearly say that Blizz didn't want to give sc2 broadcast rights to KeSPA, so they gave them to GOMTV who had to bring KeSPA in so Sc2 could take off in Korea. Who pushed all of this? Who else? Blizzard. Is Blizzard as pushy as Riot when it comes to make their game popular? Nope? Does Blizzard make a much better job than Valve pushing their eSport titles? Hell yeah. Read more than a couple of articles and learn about politics and businesses before spitting non-sense. 23yo? Was GO the first esport title you've ever played?

2014-05-25 02:07

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Are you drunk. Giving Gomtv broadcast right is not pushing it. They never invested any money into their scene except for Blizzcon. Valve invested a quite a lot of money. We would never have gotten 250k tournaments without them. Basically you already proved your lack of knowledge, why you continue is a mystery, however it is quite amusing. GomTV did all the work and honestly they did not do very well in Korea, Kespa has done definitely done better. Also gomTV no longer exist as it is now gom exp.

2014-05-25 13:50

yes, everyone knew this already, they've even revealed it in interviews..

2014-05-21 19:04

valve setup servers in regions like India , Pakisthan , UAE... and ull have some imba players soon.

2014-05-21 19:18

This was obvious months ago. We do have EMS One instead so nothing to cry about dudes. :)

2014-05-21 19:25

-.-

2014-05-21 19:42

So let me get this, IEM only features games popular in Asia?

2014-05-21 20:02

So they are just getting games popular in Asia...do not try to bring CS:GO there or u risk money "Kappa"

2014-05-21 20:57

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+3244556

2014-05-21 21:32

I just don't get LoL and Dota, and I don't think I ever will. I have actually sat down several times trying to play the games but it's just not for me

2014-05-21 22:34

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you gotta be addicted to MOBA games (personally i've tried both LoL and DOTA2 and tbh LoL is kinda easy to learn and very funny, especially while playing with friends)

2014-05-22 10:01

Guys, csgo isnt popular in Asia, thats why Iem doenst have csgo atm

2014-05-22 00:27

I'm ok with this

2014-05-22 01:44

lool, GO's fan must be confused :D

2014-05-22 10:06

This doesnt suprise me at all, much more money to make from lol and sc2 rather than cs. alot more people watch those games.

2014-05-22 11:19

From what i remember this was already known. A few months ago this was discussed and the conclusion was something like EMS for us and IEM for the asian market, or something similar...but derpderp news.

2014-05-22 12:28

Because CS GO doesnt has a market in ASIA thats simple, Valve should do something to penetrate that market. Maybe doing a big tournament with the best teams of europe, In South America its almost the same, but the difference is because we love CS WORLd, The best teams from our Region are Brasilians, but Argentina and Chile has good teams too, COME ON VALVE DONT FOR GET ABOUT US.

2014-05-22 16:08