zonic's zoom: Gaming Advanced

5-3-2008 16:58

zonic have had years of experience in professional gaming. Through the years he has studied and learn tons of different tactical approaches. Each week he will be sharing a bit of his knowledge with us.

This week, zonic takes a look at gunround as terrorist on de_nuke. The tactic is called 15GR and there is a good reason for that. The 1st and the 5th guy are the vital players in this tactic.

SPAWN MATTERS IN THIS TACTIC

1st Spawner runs inside the lobby and nates main/gate as fast as he can.

Then he throws one flash outside main, and says GO! to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th guy, after that he throws a flash from yellow/hut up to catwalk.

When flashes have been thrown, he rushes outside the yard and back stabs the main entrances, after the CTs are taking over the bomb spot in order to defuse the bomb.

2nd 3rd 4th – Rushes outside through the door after the 1st guy calls GO! After he throws his first flash – Who ever has the bomb plants instantly and all of them runs back inside the door and wait for the CTs to enter the bomb spot.

5th guy buys 2 flashes and 1 HE and just cover the ramp room until his teammates are inside b1 planting. After they have planted the bomb he just waits with his teammate behind the door, when the CTs are retaking the bomb spot, he flashes into b1 and nades the bombsite (where the bomb is planted).

After nading the bombsite, the Terrorists rushes inside b1 once again to kill whoever is trying defuse the bomb.

THE POINT

The point of the tactic is to get a fast plant inside b1, you have 3 guys with armor, 2 with nades.

The first guy with the nades use them to take over b1 (1st spawner).

The 5th spawner use them when the CTs are inside b1 taking over for the defuse. When they start defusing the bomb the 5th guy flashes b1 and nades the bomb side from the door and the Terrorist rush inside b1 once again to shoot the CTs who are trying to defuse the bomb.

The 1st spawner who nades b1 in the beginning runs outside to backstab from main/gate. It’s difficult to hide 5 people inside the lobby, so you need to either go under catwalk from ramp (backstab) or go outside yard and in through main.

WHY IT WORKS

The thing about this tactic is that if you get a b1 plant, you can nade the guy who is defusing the bomb, furthermore you can get a guy coming from gate/main who can peek the defuser (see if he fakes) – And if they make a ramp rush, you are like 3-4 T’s waiting for them behind the door.

WHAT CAN GO WRONG?

There is of course a risk with every tactic, and this one is no exception.

The tactic is called 15GR and there is a reason for that, the 1st and the 5th guy are the most important guys in the tactic. If the 1st guy dies and the CT’s are inside B1, you will have huge problems taking over the bombsite. If the 5th guy dies you won’t be able to retake the bombspot with the 5th guys “HE’s and flashes” which will make it a lot easier for the CT’s to win the round.
Another thing is if they are inside b1, and the 1st guys flashes doesn’t work.
It’s really important that 2nd, 3rd and 4th guy covers ramp room in the beginning of the round while the first guy is flashing b1, the CTs could make a quick rush from ramp and that will screw things up.
Simply the CT’s just gets the bomb defused.

DIFFICULTY
5 out of 5

DE_NUKE CHEAT SHEET

Don't know what main is? Wondering what on earth yellow refers to? Here are the answers:

Yellow, the yellow hut inside b1 (a), often called hut by American / English players.
Main/gate, the other entrance to b1, from the yard.
Ramp room, the room connecting the ramp to the room with radio.

VIDEO

CONCLUSION

It’s a difficult tactic, but don’t drop the tactic if it doesn’t work the first time. It really works against top teams who don’t go to b1 in the gunround. And remember keep the 1st and 5th guy alive!

Serious questions in the comments will be answered by zonic himself, so if you should have additional question feel free to ask.

Nice, thx for the hints ;)

2008-03-04 23:13

thanks guys =D

2008-03-05 17:01

difficult but nice tactic, thx zonic!

2008-03-05 17:03

Fantastic !

2008-03-05 17:10

That is a difficult tactic, but we have seen, that it works. It is great, that you start telling information and shows pictures, so everyone know, how to do the tactic the right way. And if you not understand that, you can just take a look at the video. Really nice! And really nice, that HLTV.org have this feature now :)

2008-03-05 17:13

thank you

2008-03-05 17:33

nice :D can't wait for a inferno gunround (t) tactic :P :D gj!

2008-03-05 18:00

really nice read and very interesting.

2008-03-05 18:08

waaa thats fantastic!!! keep up the good work!

2008-03-05 18:10

OMG! Great read. :D

2008-03-05 18:13

thats fantastic! gj zonic

2008-03-05 18:37

Thx for this, can't wait till wednesday ;)

2008-03-05 18:40

Great tactic, finding good tactics on nuke GR-T is diffucult, but this one sounds good. Well told and explained, gj zonic :)

2008-03-05 18:46

nice

2008-03-05 18:51

hey zonic , i have a q? ramp room - it's a room with radio ?

2008-03-05 19:05

3 replies

Yes, when he says watch ramp room, it is watch the room with the radio where the CT's could rush from.. :)

2008-03-05 19:07

2 replies

Ramp room, the room connecting the ramp to the room with radio. So, ramp room =/= radio room.

2008-03-06 10:45

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Hehe yes, but from the lobby you watch radio room, it doesnt really matter what you cover, just watch for the CTs from the ramp!!!

2008-03-06 13:06

really nice tactic but its really hard cuz they can be lets say 2 guys waiting outside that means they can bang all the three guys rushing outside..this is 1 example can be a lot of ways :) BTW the video dosent work...why ?:(

2008-03-05 19:23

hmm, because tactic has critical points, (1&5 guy) + timing, i assume this tactic fits best for first round (for pistols). Usually i see in de_nuke T:s try first minute to create much of possible of damage / trying drop one ct..and after thar tactics come in..

Yes, this is a gunround tactic.. :)

2008-03-05 19:52

video works :) how 2 save it ? :)

2008-03-05 19:36

yeah now it works :D

2008-03-05 20:27

Nice tactic, and it definitely works...but, kepping the first guy alive seems really hard.

2008-03-05 19:38

Why is that? He doesnt have a armor and I agree he would probably die if someone naded him, however after he throws his nades outside main and b1 he runs outside so he wont risk that :D

2008-03-06 04:32

thanks for this nice stuff! but a downloadable version would be excelent!

2008-03-05 21:11

Zonic, it's offtop, but how are you avoiding the danger of yellow hut rush? I mean, when defencer falling on to plant boxes from the roof, throwing one flash righ into the hut and one directly in the attack room, where at start of the round T's are waiting. I had some ways to avoid this thing, but it always 50/50 and I couldn't find a demo, where top-notch players facing with such problem. Or they faced, but dying. Help me please. And thanks alot anyway.

2008-03-06 05:08

I hope you mean in buyrounds, because ive never seen it in a gunround that people rush inside yellow/hut, or it doesn't happend that often. Anyways, we in mTw try to get the right spots in the beginning of the round, behind the door, back in the beginning of the lobby, and then of course on the platform inside lobby. It's true that it's difficult to resist a rush, but if you arent rushing as T, then stay outside of the lobby to begin with, and if they rush, you simply just retake it with flashes from the roof and T entrance to lobby. Hope i answered your question, otherwise feel free to make another one :)

2008-03-06 05:46

Well, thanks alot, appreciate it. By the way, you know, there's not so many people in Russia, who knows English on even medium level. I mean, among the gamers, because most of them are 14-17 years old, and it's not the time for boring English lessons, but for girls and beer))) So... would you mind if I (i'm working at a position of a newsmaker and article-writer at A-gaming.ru, you should know such Ukraniane team) will translate some of you articles? OF COURSE, mentioning you and HLTV.org, like we did here: a-gaming.ru/articles/2008/03/05/464.xhtm..

2008-03-06 06:39

Well, personally I dont mind, but I think you need to talk to HLTV about that, im not sure how they respond to your request :)

2008-03-06 07:00

Thanks, I will.

2008-03-06 07:17

okay i'm real noob n all, just joind org... we here play mostly d2, n i'm bored of the same crap game - rush, stay, etc. basically can someone tell me where 2 get more tips from like the one zonic gives... i've checked csnation n gotfrag n they had the usual stuff - glockrush, bstay, etc...:D

2008-03-06 09:38

well but sometimes ct's have taccs like one is on the top of the yellow hut and so on.

2008-03-06 10:14

Very good that they post their tactics here, very helpful.. nice!

2008-03-06 10:31

Great job zonic this will help new teams improve A LOT tacticwise. I have to check this in pcws.

2008-03-06 10:56

When flashes have been thrown, he rushes outside the yard and back stabs the main entrances, after the CTs are taking over the bomb spot in order to defuse the bomb. ok, maybe is the picture that is confusing me (pic #3), but if he goes all around back to the truck and than outside, it takes to much time than does'n it? Or he just run through the bomsite and than main and outside? (more logical:D)

2008-03-06 11:05

difficulty 5/5 :D

2008-03-06 12:48

To zonic: I suppose this tactic works best if the CTs don't do a massive B1 defense with a lot of nades. Do not top teams go inside B1 at the GR round so often? Thank you, Mykos

2008-03-06 19:18

After 1st guy throws flash to the outside, he rushes instantly to the hut but what if he gets few HE grenades, is there any chance to save the 1st that way ?

2008-03-08 19:12

real nice :P~

2008-03-09 14:59

very nice tactic :D

2008-03-09 16:19

mTw used at SEC against Alternate and they won the round. Its a really great tact!

2008-03-10 11:12

nice tactic! thx zonic

2008-03-10 22:41

usefull tac :-) ty zonic

2008-03-11 01:10

well.. zonic, u cant say that this isnt standard.. and now u told all these... yeah beginners how they rush the a spot *lawl .. u never use the tactic again xD..

2008-03-11 03:06

I laughed when you used it against Alternate in SEC, it worked. So nice :)

2008-03-11 08:21

Some team tried this agains us the other day, I of course expected something like this. Put one guy ladder without a defusekit, to nade and flash 2x into hut. Three guys into main ready with nades(One of them peaking outside) And the last dude with a deagle covering ramp(If they rush ramp he will go downstairs into the doors and shoots through the glass) Flash came into main(Note: We can still nade even if we are blind) Ended up with them losing 3 guys. And the other two got picked off. Fine tactic though.

2008-03-11 11:45

Even for a DoD player this kind of deep tactical stuff is interesting, keep them coming. Although me and my team suck in CS, and we'd better stay in DoD, Im sure this stuff can really help some inexperienced CS clans.

2008-04-04 11:59