WCG re-evualate silent run rule

14-3-2008 20:51

Do you remember World Cyber Games 2007 in Seattle, USA? The famous silent run was a big issue, due to it being illegal and coursed huge delays, match replays and screams from the scene that this was totally wrong.

At WCG 2007 Grand Finals in Seattle, USA, the famous silent run was banned from the tournament. Players were allowed to crouch two times in a row and nothing more. This coursed a huge scene, as close to everyone were use to the silent run being allowed (even Americans and the Asians). Huge tournament schedule, endless disputes and a rematch, was what this banning of silent run coursed.

Things can change. So has Counter-Strike 1.6 Chief Referee Thierry St-Jacques-Gagnon realized. He will let the people around the community of CS 1.6 state their opinion in this case. He’s already put up three possible solutions.

1- Old rule remains: dispute format gets changed, asking the teams to specify what round they think they could have been confused or disadvantaged by an opponent using this method;

2- Get rid of the rule, therefore allowing the move and play even though it can mess up the hitboxes.

3- (In my opinion the fairest of all 3) Get rid of the rules. Create a WCG Mod for the competition where the third duck-duck combo would have a jump penalty, therefore disallowing a player to move fast AND silent at the same time for a long period of time. At the same time, the players that are use to do this will still be able to do it, but won’t get the hidden advantage of it. This could also allow the WCG committee to fix the silent plant bug and other bug, facilitating the referees’ job and allow them to focus on things like ghosting and dead-speeches.

This being said, the old rule still remains, until a working solution has been found. You may email Thierry St-Jacques-Gagnon at [email protected], with your comments on this matter, and any other subjects related to CS.

Should G7 not be taking action in this case? What will the consequences be in the silent run remains to be illegal? We will know a lot more later this year for sure. State your personal opinion below.

Source: World Cyber Games

The third one seems strange but best.

2008-03-14 21:02

at least they realized that they have to change something. the idea with those 3 options isn't bad too.. i'd choose number 2 ofc, because silentrun-"bug" was, is, and will be a part of cs! any the players wich feel disadvataged because of opponets using silent-run, why don't they use it themselfes? really waiting for the final decision!!

2008-03-14 21:04

I'd chose the first one because silent run is a bug, so it should not exist. Ducking makes players missing shots, it can change the way of a match. Although if u can move fast without making noise, functions run and walk make no sense. If u run u have to make noise, this is cs..

2008-03-14 21:34

I think it should be allowed, why? 1) It’s something a guy can do without any script, and it’s a part of the game. If you’re good, you can do it, and if you can’t do it, then practice more so you’ll learn it. 2) I do believe the advantage becomes too much when people are doing it with scroll (you almost walks as fast as if you were running, without making any noise) That’s the biggest reason why I think it should be allowed, people have learned it and are so used to doing it now, that you can’t stop. It would be the same, saying you can’t quickzoom with the AWP, because that’s almost impossible if you were wanted to be 100% correct. It’s a skill and in my opinion people should start accepting the rule.

2008-03-14 22:09

7 replies

Agree

2008-03-14 23:18

maybe just create a mod which will unbind scroll + duck? :) double duck nice staff & part of game.

2008-03-15 01:28

3 replies

yeah could be a great idea ;D

2008-03-15 01:32

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also plugin can kill all aliases, that is remove all problems with rules (wcg07 :()

2008-03-15 01:37

agreed

2008-03-15 12:04

So, even using scroll it should be allowed?

2008-03-15 10:55

That actually is the 1st thing that came to my mind when i started reading the article. The bug with the awp rebolt animation was part of cs forever however it was only in 1.6 that they fixed it. If it had not been fixed then, and someone objected to it now, obv nothing could be done about it... since valve wont fix any more cs 1.6 bugs and it would be ridiculous to tell players they cant switch to a pistol when using the awp. So if you cant beat them join them :p And btw, as pissing off as it is when someone duckjumps from under your bullet... the more you practice it you realize that it takes skill to do, and even more skill to know when to use it at the right time.

2008-03-16 20:34

Best thing would be allowing silent run all the way... No scripts but scroll and everything else would be legal. Then.. no conflicts what so ever.

i agree wih zonic it's skill and it should be allowed zonic FTW :D

2008-03-14 22:23

3 decision is best ever, we have in Latvia many pub servers where is special script which do not allow you to do silent run inspite of your wish. No silent run - no problem. And, zonic, you said that people used to do it, but why it is so necessary? I really can`t understand that, mby u will make some brightness for me in such case

2008-03-14 22:49

its part of the game, and with ctrl, it takes skill LEGALIZE... ...duckjump -.-

2008-03-14 22:55

Just legalize it, and no "WCG MOD" there is also a mod were you can't duckjump and thats just frustrating. Its a part of the game these days so just let it go.. Because I don't see those professional players so fast stopping in the future. So, just leave no mods no rules about it.

2008-03-14 23:19

i will go with solution # 2

2008-03-14 23:24

hmmmm, solution 1 , cause scripts etc stuff in solution 3 mostly require amx or sum sort of mod! in witch that will just make the played servers really really AWFUL!

2008-03-14 23:45

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Trust me, you do not want rule #1. It will be the same o same as WCG 2007.

2008-03-15 00:27

waaa? make sense!

2008-03-15 03:39

LEGALIZE DUCKJUMP

2008-03-15 01:17

If you're an AWPer you'll pick anything, but 2. It frequently happens, you have the cross hair on their head, and you pull the trigger, but OH NOO!!! they crouch hop and even though it should still reg as a chest shot, it either doesn't reg or ends up a toe shot. I can see it now at a major tournament "f0rest making his way to ramp, SpawN with the AWP shot on f0rest, but he crouch hops and 1 deags SpawN in the face, and now fnatic wins finals. <- hypothetical.

2008-03-15 01:48

2008-03-15 04:24

2, definitely. Just say that binding ur scroll to duck is illegal, and that the team will be disqualified if they don't unbind it. That's how it's been in all online cups i've played now the last 3 months, and that worked out fine, everybody was happy, no complaints. This is also what all the pros want, no kidding. I'm 100% sure that 99% of all the players in top teams are wanting this. (ask around... --> *pointing @ zonic*) =D=D

2008-03-15 07:30

something like this for #3? "Probably many of you heard about "silent run" exploit that allow to a player increase movement speed and makes his foot steeps nearly silent. This plugin resets player movement speed on double duck to prevent use of that exploit." forums.alliedmods.net/showththread.php?p..

2008-03-15 07:53

As far as I've understood, it's only when you use script/wheel that the hitboxes gets fucked up bad. I'm going with "solution" #2, as I simply cannot see either of the two other work. Why? First solution would simply (in my eyes) make the same chaos as WCG 2007. Third solution, is just rubbish. Instead WCG could implant the config check e.g. ESL used at the Extreme Masters II finals.

2008-03-15 11:43

G7 best ;]

2008-03-15 11:48

Yeah #2 without wheel would be perfect because silentrun is frustating :s

2008-03-15 12:21

number 3 ofc

2008-03-15 15:20

solution #2, just accept that it's used widely among the professional players and let them play how they're comfortable =\

2008-03-15 19:52

number #2 it's part of the game!!!

2008-03-15 22:18

Create a WCG Mod for the competition where the third duck-duck combo would have a jump penalty, therefore disallowing a player to move fast AND silent at the same time for a long period of time Create mod...come on, there is already many mods available which disables silent-running. Rule that it is illegal to bind duck in scroll...gimme a break...next probably it is illegal to bind +attack in mouse1 :P

2008-03-15 23:36