NBK: "[Veto system] not viable"

15-8-2014 22:08

Nathan "NBK" Schmitt talked to HLTV.org about two of their losses in the group stage, the veto system and his predictions for the playoffs.

Titan started group D by facing Cloud9 on de_dust2, where they were up 15-10 and weren't able to convert it into a win, then sent Vox Eminor packing and finished off with what was a thrashing on de_nuke against dignitas.

We talked to the disappointed Nathan "⁠NBK-⁠" Schmitt about their results, the veto system, schedule of the groups and lastly expectations considering the match-ups in playoffs.

You just finished your game against dignitas, first off, what did you think about the random pick and the veto?

Nathan "⁠NBK-⁠" Schmitt: "Coming into playing dignitas, we pretty much knew which map they're strong on and which maps they are weak on. There was mirage, inferno and nuke remaining. They are very very shaky on mirage and they have strong inferno and nuke. So there was already one map out of three where dignitas weren't really strong on, so you have to imagine that.

I mean they totally deserved the win, we played not up to our level and they played extremely well. But obviously there is this randomness about those three maps. I'm talking about all the games over the tournament, one team is gonna be weak on them in general. Basically you have one chance out of three you could overrun them.

I think it has been made to have the chance to see cobblestone and overpass being played. It's not viable for real competitive play, you don't see randomness in games such as League of Legends or DotA or CoD, you can ban things and then you play whatever you want, it's not like you play one out of three."

How do you feel about the fact that dignitas played a match before and you didn't, do you think that's fair?

Nathan "⁠NBK-⁠" Schmitt: "Well, I think what would be better is to play the group stages one at a time so you don't have to wait for like ten hours to play. I'm not saying that was our case, we had no problem with it, but it obviously gave them kind of an edge, because they're warmed up. They came out of a very tough game and they knew what they're gonna be up to, whereas we just did almost nothing for around six hours, warmed up for an hour and a half and came into the game. It didn't play that much an advantage, you just come in mentally prepared, that's the only edge in that."

NBK was extremely disappointed at Titan's early exit

Let's go back to the Cloud9 match, where you were up 15-10 and then they came back. Take us through the veto and the maps first.

Nathan "⁠NBK-⁠" Schmitt: "The veto again, out of the three maps there was dust2 - that was like 50:50, inferno, which is our best map at the moment, and mirage that they almost never played, exactly the same like dignitas. Once again, we got the worst case scenario pretty much, I mean it has nothing to do with the loss, we lost because of an incredible amount of good situations for us.

Coming into the game, we had a very very very good first half, 11-4, nothing to say. And then on the CT side, we started throwing rounds like four versus two, four versus three, some advantageous situations, so we will really have to work hard on that, not to crumble on the stages."

What do you make of the bracket? How do you think the matches will go?

Nathan "⁠NBK-⁠" Schmitt: "NiP versus Cloud9 is gonna be a terrific game, Cloud9 are looking really strong, I know they don't look tactically amazing, but they look strong. For me it's kind of 50:50. Then fnatic versus Na`Vi, fnatic looked very strong once again, at Gfinity they were very good. They look even better right now, I think fnatic's gonna take it. Then Epsilon versus dignitas, which is going to be a crazy game. I'm rooting for the Frenchies, obviously, but I don't know, it will be like 50:50 for me. And LDLC is facing Virtus.pro, both teams are on point at the moment, and that's gonna be the quarter-final to watch I guess."

The quarter-finals will begin tomorrow at 09:00 with fnatic and Natus Vincere first up, so follow HLTV.org for more exclusive coverage from Valve's third major at ESL One Cologne.

gg NBK

2014-08-15 22:09

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twitter.com/dignitasFeTiSh/status/500586..

2014-08-16 15:24

nooooo

They could just use their gaming laptop they got from MSI Beat It for warming-up NBKry;(

2014-08-15 22:49

Why can't u just be equally good on two maps as well?

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exactly my thoughts

2014-08-15 22:22

Why do you say two maps? You only get to veto two, so you'd have to be equally good in, like, 5 maps.

2014-08-15 22:37

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Read NBK's answer to the first question. He pointed out that 2/3 of the remaining maps were in dignitas' favor. Answer is; be equally good on two maps.

2014-08-15 23:01

But you're looking at this particular moment. But before they could be left with 3 maps, there were 4 maps vetoed. So you're suggesting they would have to be equally good in 5 maps (because they can only veto 2).

2014-08-15 23:18

because its random, you could get the 2 maps you arent as good on. but hey reading is hard

2014-08-15 23:51

I feel bad for titan :/

2014-08-15 22:10

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They are just not good as people say they are. thats it, i feel sorry for NBK. Only

2014-08-15 22:11

I think it was horrible luck for them this tourny... having to play c9 and digi in BO1 :( didnt go their way. very unlucky with Digi, getting nuke and digi starting CT, omfg, I'd give up

2014-08-16 00:16

Same here.

2014-08-15 22:12

same :(

2014-08-15 22:28

why, because they are not good enough to win games versus proper opponents?

2014-08-15 22:40

No, they were in a group where 3 teams should and deserve to go through. Other groups only had 2.

2014-08-16 05:22

titan not good enough inb4 med titanerino fanb0yz

2014-08-16 10:41

poor titan :C

0-9 nbk / 0 - 9 kennys - never forget.

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0-10 both actually

2014-08-15 22:15

0-10 both

NBK LS

2014-08-16 00:17

if you're gonna shit talk atleast get it right, 0-10.

2014-08-15 22:16

Excuses

But y he heff 2 b med?

good luck next time.

2014-08-15 22:13

I agree with him, nuke is a shit map to get randomed in your face in a bo1. Just terrible.

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randomed in your face, you start as terrorist, against the best Nuke and ct side team

2014-08-15 22:34

ye its fucking horrendous. The random thing is so bad

2014-08-15 23:41

it's like matchmaking, you put a few maps in, you almost always get the harder side to start as, and you forget that you didn't take out your bad maps and play one of those

2014-08-16 01:23

All I read from this is a butthurt NBK, saddens me to see such irrational arguments. :/

2014-08-15 22:14

NBK is not viable.

so sad for titan. they are so great team

so great that they can't win anything

2014-08-15 22:17

mad cuz bad

nbk butthurt but veto system is random shit

the part i dont get is the fact that the best seed always get to choose sides. thats so fucking unfair. meaning dignitas can start ct on any map vs titan, so they are fucked.

This system is best! If you are really good team, you can play on all maps. Titans are weak so they lose. Funny is the Titan lose last 5 matches against dignitas on 4 different maps. So Dignitas are stronger, much stronger than Titan. Less crying, more practice.

dignitas won more rounds on T than titan did in their entire half, what's so unfair about it lol

2014-08-15 22:18

Eh when you lose 14-1 t side nuke, it comes down to pistol. I see what he's saying.

2014-08-15 23:31

Shaky on mirage? They molested Titan the two times they played on it, and nuke is the only map out of Nuke/Infy/Mirage that Titan have beaten Dignitas on before. They've lost on Mirage and Inferno every time they've played them. hltv.org/?pageid=192&teamid=5422&mapid=3.. They did get somewhat unlucky, but I think he's over-dramatizing these 'worst-case scenarios'.

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?? They're shaky on mirage has nothing to do with the matches-up Titan/dig, dafuq. He doesn't dramatize anything, he just says what he thinks about the system and that's it, nothing big. He gave props to the teams that beat them. I wonder if people only read to read or sometimes use their brain to actually think. Or maybe this is just hltv.

2014-08-15 22:31

The error is that you think people on hltv actually have a brain.

I tend to overrate people because I have faith in my fellow being. My mistake :-(.

2014-08-15 22:39

'?? They're shaky on mirage has nothing to do with the matches-up Titan/dig, dafuq.' That English... I honestly don't know exactly what you mean. He was saying that he faced the worst possible scenarios when in reality they were outclassed by dignitas on pretty much every map. The veto played little part in that.

2014-08-15 22:45

English isn't my native language and I confused myself because I had 2 ideas in mind - still you can get the point of comment if you use your brain. But again you can't get the meaning of a good-english written text, so could be hard to understand mine I guess. He said that he got outclassed by them, he didn't deny that fact at all, why would he? He said that veto didn't help them, which is true. You said also that "They molested Titan the two times they played on it" Wtf this has to do with dignitas being shaky on mirage? What if they won 2 times vs Titan and lost every other maps they played on mirage? (not saying they do, just point out the utility of your setence).

2014-08-15 23:33

I know that English isn't the first language of most people on this site, which is why I don't point it out unless I straight up can't understand it. 'He said that he got outclassed by them, he didn't deny that fact at all, why would he? He said that veto didn't help them, which is true.' No, I said they very likely would've been outclassed by Dig on any of those three maps, and that getting nuke wasn't necessarily a 'worst-case scenario.' 'You said also that "They molested Titan the two times they played on it" Wtf this has to do with dignitas being shaky on mirage? What if they won 2 times vs Titan and lost every other maps they played on mirage? (not saying they do, just point out the utility of your setence).' The utility of my sentence was obviously meant to imply that Dignitas weren't exactly shaky on mirage. Their stats are solid on that map, and they've beaten Titan both times they've played each other on it. He made it out as if they were screwed over by the veto system when they actually hardly were, hence the dramatizing. Tell me what exactly I 'didn't get the meaning of' please.

2014-08-16 00:26

Well I you didn't bring anything more than your 1st comment, read my comment again and either change your mind or accept to disagree I guess

2014-08-16 00:46

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2014-08-16 00:49

NBK excuses once again. Go on your twitter and dont forget to write same excuse as u did after every one of your fails. Dont also forget to ask for other games to play instead of working even harder to not being shit. NBK in css used to be such a cool guy. This guy is just...

2014-08-15 22:19

Going out of the groups in two consecutive majors, I could understand why he's being defensive.

2014-08-16 00:27

All games 50-50. Nice prediction, NBK.

2014-08-15 22:20

well all the pairs are really close. the only one I could edge is vp > ldlc others - anyone's game

atm, fnatic >> Na'Vi allover stats wise - 50-50 both have one win and third draw

2014-08-16 05:11

ofc blame the veto system that is known since weeks, so you know that you have to be prepared of 5 maps, depends what the oppenent vetoed.

nbk doesn't like the randomness of the maps which I totally get, but I think this way teams will finally start practising more than 3 maps just like navi never play(ed) nuke etc. if every team practised every map there wouldn't be a problem with the veto being that lucky or unlucky depending on the team. cobble and overpass should have been played during the season instead of having their big start in this tournement to make the whole veto thing less problematic for some teams. nice interview tho, and too bad for titan I'm sure they would have shown us some good games but not everyone can go to the finals.

2014-08-15 22:21

2 new map - 2 sh*t map !

He's not wrong.

2014-08-15 22:24

or titan start to improve their nuke play

I don't think the abuse towards NBK is completely fair. His arguments are partially correct, but I think the main thing is that he just came out of a game which cost him the tournament, of course he's going to be disappointed and not completely objective. Appreciate the fact he holds the interview in the first place.

+1 who's really mad here, he lost a game and should be aggro and hltv kids typing in all caps are just. lost.

2014-08-15 23:59

Valve's new system of forcing maps down the community's throat sucks ass, end of story really disappointed

2014-08-15 22:29

Deciding the map by random draw is retarded, yes.

This frenches. Why you didnt complain before? If you didnt like that system and all that, you should loud speak it. Not to use that like excuse after 16:1. Going on tournament, and not to prepare all maps, is just bad. If you will countinue to go on events hoping that you will not get opponents best maps (2/3 possible), you should disband. Horrible preformance, and its confirmed that g3 result was just luck, and lack of preparation of other teams, since only you and fnatic did prepare for it. Its funny cuz you though that you will be better with "mature" kenny, but look out the shoxie. Hes got all the freedom (no gamehouses and shits), he got weaker teamm8s (on paper) and still doing great job with them. In the end, im glad that you and shoxie fallen apart, since it would be rly sad if he faild with you like that.

i like this system, at least we dont only watch inferno and sometimes d2

2014-08-15 22:30

Win 11-4 then 15-10 and end up losing Blame vetos Lose 16-1 on the second most popular map in csgo Blame vetos So pathetic...

mad cuz lost

2014-08-15 22:32

So will anyone ever know for real whether the random map roll was rigged in favour of the new maps?

They lost the match on veto round. When you face dignitas, you automatically have to ban inf & nuke. Avoiding new maps where they could have "skilled" them would have given them better chances not to get raped like that. Moreover when you admit on streams that you have no strats on nuke. 'Take down 1 guy on ramp or outside & YOLO'... Gaming House should be an advantage, stop screwing around and use it efficiently. And start by communicate & turn your brains ON. So many rounds threw by your own stupidity & greed. You have to step up and get at least a 3-4 finish at ESWC.

2014-08-15 22:35

They threw away a 4v2 retake with a 15-10(I think) score in favor of them, and on nuke 2 of their players were 0-0-10 on the 10th round. They lost simply because they performed bad, they would lose on mirage/inferno too. Dignitas is strong on inferno and nuke, but Titan is also considered a good team on these maps

we got our worst maps , but that has nothing to do with us loosing..... Then why mention that its your worst maps ? I never liked nbk , his face is just begging for a punch imo. But it sounds like weak excuses for not being able to handle the pressure.

he certainly did NOT sound like a butthurt child, so cut the mad cuz bad bullshit.

2014-08-15 22:43

Check his twitter. He said the maps were trash but he liked the veto system.

2014-08-15 22:41

It`s normal to be mad after you lose like that. They knew the rules before..Everybody is capable to do some damage in tournaments like this. Anybody can play bad/god on one map. You cant feel your opponents in such a short time.

2014-08-15 22:47

So all i read are excuses. They didn't get mentally prepared cuz they warmed up for only 1h. Then the veto system is borked cause lets see we can play 2 maps only and on all others we are shit... I mean if you want to be the best team in the world you have to be able to overcome all situations and all maps. Everything else you say pales by the fact that your team is just weak minded plebs that think 2 high of them self's. This is why you never made it in to the proper cs stage and stuck around for CSS. 1.6 players know this very good you either put up the work or you do not win, all the excuses here are from a player that played a lesser game where he was in hes comfort zone, now titan isn't in their comfort zone and the excuses start flying around all the time. Get a grip you have a gaming-house something 95% of the teams out there can only dream for and probably a good salary and you just trow all these random excuses left and right. Guess what Dignitas were in the same spot as you so were Cloud9 they fought harder they won it is this simple. If your team gives up before the game even starts its better for your team to disband and leave the spot for some up and coming players or so they can grab the bull by it's horns and give all they have. Pathetic... really pathetic.. way to deal with the loss.

+111111111

2014-08-16 01:05

+ 111111111111111

2014-08-16 08:14

I agree with most of it but "if you want to be the best team in the world you have to be able to overcome all situations and all maps." It's just not true. The high level is so stack it would actually be annoying if a team was better than any other on every maps (NiP some time ago). Look back at 1.6, if I remember well (apogogies if I'm wrong) Navi were shit on nuke and never played it. They were still by far the best team at some point. I believe you have to be better than your oponent on "more" maps than them. When everyone can veto down to 1 (bo1) or 3 (bo3) maps that is the case. With this random shit you could actually be better than the other on 2 out of the 3 remaining maps and get the only one where they can beat you, it's just not fair. Or you have to be better than them on 5 out of 7 maps but that would be ridiculous.

2014-08-16 09:13

So? You have to not suck dick on 5 maps... Problem is that peaple are to afraid of the new maps, banning them instead of the maps they really suck on.

2014-08-16 13:11

+over 9000 !! The only good guy : Existenz / KennyS NBK is sooo overrated, never happy when winning, always whinning when losing.... Pathetic after 8 month in gaming house.

2014-08-16 10:18

u played d2 and nuke..

2014-08-15 22:48

the veto system is pretty shit

2014-08-15 23:02

I understand now why they lost. Kappa

2014-08-15 23:05

Q_Q

2014-08-15 23:07

Adding a random element to a veto is retarded, the only reason valve added it is because they knew for a fact no one would play their new maps otherwise... They forced them into it.

WOW the titan team is like a movie everyone is waiting whats going to happen next for the team.

2014-08-15 23:11

How can he say that when Nuke is one of Titan's best maps... sounds like an excuse to me.

2014-08-15 23:13

1) Veto system is RETARDED. 2) Titan lost not because of it, but because of they're LOW. Titan would lose also mirage and whatever else map.

In what way is it retarded? Would love to hear why. Cause you need to be able to play more then 1 map?

2014-08-16 13:12

1)Veto system does suck indeed

2014-08-15 23:25

I like NBK but he should blame himself for his performance in this tournament. I don't think I see any mention by him to his own performance. (correct me if i'm mistaken) I mean, let me level with you for a second. Fifflaren rating after 3 maps? 0.80. Ex6tenz rating after 3 maps? 0.90. NBK rating after 3 maps? 0.74. So with all the respect to nbk, I would leave the complaints to his rest of his teammates to make. NBK could and should have made the difference between cloud9 and titan. He didn't, rest is history.

Titan needs a new Line-up Maybe kick Ex6 or NBK and bring shoxie back Shoxie is a hell of a beast ~ Titan will never be good like they were as VG

This veto system is too random for sure, but Dignitas deserved their win.

2014-08-15 23:39

titan is literally on their way to hell. they cant play anymore.

2014-08-16 00:07

Well titan entered the game vs a top3 team (which imo shouldn't change after this event dig, nip, vp too far ahead) and had the added pressure of France's other teams being on fire and got handled. Sometimes passion plays against your favor.

Really, you can't blame your bad game on the opponents.. they had this coming after loosing with that large marginal vs C9...

2014-08-16 00:08

"we lost because of an incredible amount of good situations for us" ??

2014-08-16 00:10

we lost because we *failed to convert* an incredible amount of good situations for us i think he meant

2014-08-16 01:25

curious to see if titan (the organization) will stick to this team

2014-08-16 00:32

Remember when you used to have to be good on all of the maps? Stop crying and practice on more than d2

2014-08-16 00:36

"you don't see randomness in games such as League of Legends or DotA" Yeah, those crit % chances and dodge % chances apparently don't exist in dota, dota involves a lot of randomness and luck

2014-08-16 01:28

How about dota rune? Thats the real randomness

2014-08-16 04:59

it was the same system for all (even If the system is shit). Go home

2014-08-16 01:33

Titan will be again in the top. :)

2014-08-16 01:36

Anyone complaining that NBK is "complaining" (irony) is inept at mathematics and inherently stupid. There is randomness involved in the process this tournament used to choose maps. NO MATTER WHAT one team will always get the better end of the deal unless the two teams are somehow both COMPLETELY EVEN on the chosen map. Yes you can still win a map you aren't favored to win, but it doesn't mean it's not gay.

2014-08-16 01:49

I agree that the veto system doesn't make sense. But when you lose after winning 11-4 then 15-10 on dust2 (one of their strongest map btw), and when you lose 16-1 on the 2nd most popular map of csgo, you don't blame the randomness of the veto system. You just shut your mouth and swallow your sadness.

2014-08-16 10:03

why is volvo still forcing players to their stupid new metas ? like veto system, OP pistols, some total unplayeble maps like cbblestone, 20 ammo in m4 and tons another trash

2014-08-16 01:54

I still believe in Titan. They will return

2014-08-16 02:04

what is he talking about? stronger team wins, thats it. its your problem if ur team is weak on some maps.

here's an example, maybe this will make a few gears in your head start turning team A and B end up banning everything but inferno, nuke, and dust2. both teams like all 3 maps, but, naturally, might feel more comfortable with one over the other team A is most comfortable with inferno, team B nuke selected map: inferno ??? is it team B's fault that the map they inherently seem to be better at wasn't picked? is team A somehow "better" than team B because the map they are better at was picked? Both teams are better than each other at a map, it's just the map was R A N D O M L Y chosen, and team A drew the longer stick does that make it easier or ?

2014-08-16 02:09

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well that's what happens when you come to a tournament with only 1 or 2 solid maps and you want to win the whole tournament.

2014-08-16 07:29

2014-08-16 08:12

I'll take his exemple : team A and B end up banning everything but inferno, nuke, and dust2. both teams like all 3 maps, but, naturally, might feel more comfortable with one over the other team A is most comfortable with inferno, team B nuke and dust_2 selected map: inferno So we could say team B was better than team A on 4/7 maps. And yet they lose because of this random draw. Even if you're the best team in the world on 4/7 maps (which would be huge I hope you realise it), you can go out in the groupstage, this should not be this way. To me, a proper system would allow you to win everything you want if you're the best team on 4/7 maps.

2014-08-16 09:20

Although your statement might hold some merit, but titan cannot use it as their defense because if they were good in 4/7 maps they would not be playing eliminator in the first place. 1. As per the stats titan's best map is nuke. But 16-1 score line tells a different story. 2. Assuming titan is good on d2 they lost to c9. The bottom line is titan is no where good to be in top 8 in this tournament. Period.

2014-08-16 09:34

Oh in the case of titan dignitas I completely agree ^^

2014-08-16 09:56

u may shut up now. teams should be ready for all maps, and nobody gives a fuck where they feel more comfortable. this is competetive scene, be ready or gtfo.

2014-08-16 10:34

It's time for a change boys!

2014-08-16 02:35

the veto system is redundant but i still like seeing cbble played.

2014-08-16 02:37

I think the veto system for BO1 is too random. My suggestion: 1) The system randomly bans 2 maps. Hence there is a chance inferno is banned by the system. 2) Team A ban - Team B ban - Team A ban - Team B ban 3) Remaining map played. If two top teams are playing only one map it should be the one they are most equal on. This system allows extra variation on played maps and would avoid the random selection from 3 maps. Same for BO3: 1) 2 random bans 2) Team A ban, Team B ban 3) A Pick, B Pick 4) Last map played if needed

2014-08-16 02:40

2014-08-16 06:14

Still means lowtactic teams can get to play one of there 2 maps that they can play. Dont we want CS to envolve and see NEW tactics? CS isn't a fragging FPS its a tactical FPS. Playing same 2 maps (Inferno / D2) Means peaple never have to learn new tactics, cause we already know every possible strat to pull of. New maps are trash (Overpass is ok with a little fixes) But still... add maps, rotate out bad ones (inferno) and envolve the game.

2014-08-16 13:10

100% agree with NBK. the random factor with the maps is just garbage and you will never see such thing in any other competitive game.

2014-08-16 02:50

It is only random when you have very few solid maps. On the other hand if you can play 3-4 maps at a top level you won't have this problem. You come to a 100k$ tournament and say I will only play 3 maps and among them I am good at 2 maps is just non-sense

2014-08-16 07:33

All of you saying hes right please open your eyes and smell the flowers outside. This is the highest level of competition you should be good on all maps not 3 out of 5 and so on and then blame it on the random generator that picked the wrong map for you. Swear to god all these excuses about the random veto system are just weak. Yes the system is stupid but come one it is not the reason they lost...... WAS NEVER THE REASON....

2014-08-16 02:55

2014-08-16 08:11

and now your weakness against dignitas and veto nuke

2014-08-16 10:47

So many hating kids in this thread :S

2014-08-16 03:01

I honestly think the veto system is totally fine. The problem i see simply is that it was introduced way too late. Suddenly teams have to prepare 5 maps..... which is fine i believe, IF there's time for preparation. Otherwise we'd once again go back to 80% of the game being inferno. The OTHER problem ofc was having cobblestone and overpass in the pool, instead of f.e. season and toscan/tuscan...or even train. In the end: this is a major. If you wanna win, you have to put some work into it.....and Titan certainly has more resources available then most of the other teams. I mean: "Basically you have one chance out of three you could overrun them". Is he serious? Was he praying instead of practicing? To me it's sounds like they didn't really adapt their preparation for the new system. Hell..other teams even found time to practice overpass and cobble. Regards

2014-08-16 08:57

A lot of excuses. And being prepared for every map should be a part of pro CS imo, teams who specialize on select maps do not need to be accommodated. If you're not capable of playing half the maps as well as your opponent, maybe your opponent is the better team.

2014-08-16 09:00

It wasn''t map issue. Titan was considered very good on it. They lost mentally and didn't play with confidence. 0:10 on nbk and kennys? Come on! For some reason they don't play wellunder pressure for long while. Ddd2 was thrown away, their fault. Their configuration, roled or sll together just doesnt work. I think loss to vp on nuke in g3 was not lucky vp play but titan issues

2014-08-16 09:10

NBK crying too much or why delete comments?

2014-08-16 09:11

well there's a lot of randomness in dota

2014-08-16 09:22

Hahha sure

2014-08-16 09:46

Hahahaha I was waiting the excuse you will use this time ! Veto map ! hahahahahaha Disband

2014-08-16 10:05

I feel sorry for NBK, hes a very cool guy, but whatever veto system you use there will be people who don't like it. Also, veto makes sense in mobas, but not on CS. I miss the days where maps where all already set before starting playing, and teams only decided one map for each on the final. That forced people to play all maps, to know all maps, being consistent on all of them. that was "profesionalism" back then, even from totally amateur teams, that would prepare all maps the better they could, practicing maybe 2 hours a day.