zonic's zoom: Gaming Advanced

26-3-2008 23:00

MONEYSYSTEM & ANTI ECO’s

Hey guys, this week of Gaming Advanced will be a bit different, because I feel it’s time to show you guys how we do in mTw around the money system and anti eco’s, both parts are extremely important, because you don’t want to lose an anti eco, and you also don’t want to go broke.

MONEY SYSTEM

Alright, let’s begin with a gunround, let’s say you want to drop 2 usp’s so you can get 2 guys with small armor and USP, and the other 2 guys who dropped the usp can buy HE’s. The last guy can carry the bomb and have a small armor.
So it will be:

Player 1 - the guy who dropped 1 USP (No armor, only one HE)
Player 2 – Also a guy who dropped 1 USP (No armor, only one HE)
Player 3 – The bomb carrier (Glock + small armor)
Player 4 – Armor and USP (he got from player 1)
Player 5 – Armor and USP (he got from Player2)

What can you improve ?

Player3 who got the bomb and a small armor should have around 150$ left (800$ - 650armor = 150$).

You can drop the USP to him first, so he can buy some bullets, and then he can drop it to Player 4 or 5, so you actually have 3 guys who can use the USP, then player 4 and 5 can scout the map, and if one of them get’s low he can drop the USP to Player3, because he bought bullets in spawn.

So you use the money system to actually get 2½ guy with USP, which makes you a lot stronger in a slow terrorist gunround.

ANTI ECO

Let’s say you win that gunround and you have the score in frags like this:

Player 5 = 2 frags (600$)
Player 4 = 2 frags (600$)
Player 2 = 1 frag (300$)
Player 3 = 0 frag (0$)
Player 1 = 0 frag (0$)

In mTw it’s forbidden to buy Galil and MP5, Galil is too expensive, and you’re probably not going to use it in the first buyround, and mp5 is 1500$ but 1500 wasted money, because that weapon you REALLY don’t want to use in the buyround.

Anyways, let’s say you don’t want to buy Galil and MP5, but then Player3 and Player 1 got a problem, because they didn’t shoot anyone in the gunround.

I talked to ave, my teammate who told me you get 3250$ for a winning round, and if you haven’t shot any opponents, you can only buy AK + Small armor, which is bad in an anti-eco vs USP/Deagle who only needs to shoot you in the head, and you’re finished.

So here is what you do:

Player 5 buys AK + big armor because he can afford it
Player 4 does the same as well
Player 2 can buy AK + big armor also
Player 3 got a problem
Player 1 got a problem
Player 1 drop AK to Player 3 so he can get AK + big armor, then Player 1 gets Player 5 USP or whoever got a gun greater than glock. Then Player 1 can run in front of the others and scout if the CT’s should have stacked somewhere.

ANTI ECO 2

Let’s say you have one guy killing 4 guys, and it would look like this:

Player 5 = 4 frags (1200$)
Player 4 = 1 frags (300$)
Player 2 = 0 frag (0$)
Player 3 = 0 frag (0$)
Player 1 = 0 frag (0$)

Then you have 3 guys with 0$ - Then Player 1 and 3 drops AK to each other like they were supposed to, and Player 2 simply just buy Galil and headarmor, as long as you have headarmor it should be alright.

CONCLUSION

If you feel like making a slow T gunround on a map, and you want to drop USP to two guys who can pick some of the opponents out, then you might as well give the USP to a guy with armor before you drop it to the two guys, so he can buy bullets as well. He can then takeover the USP if some of the primary guys gets low hp, and you suddenly get a fresh new USP.

Anti eco it’s important to have 4 guys with weapons, AK47 and no Galil/MP5 and then 1 guy who can scout for them. However if one guy kills 4 guys you have 3 guys with 3 frags, then you have to buy Galil, no doubt about it, as long as you have headarmor.
Anyways, feel free to request something regarding Gaming Advanced for next week; just post your request in the news.

Nice with something other than tactics.. :)

2008-03-26 23:04

wow! Awesome article ^^ I think it will be very interesting for teams who are improving their level.

2008-03-26 23:08

yeah nice to know! keep it up m8

2008-03-26 23:09

n1 m8 !

2008-03-26 23:29

GJ zonic

2008-03-26 23:48

thanks a lot !!!! that's exactly what i was waiting for :D what's the thing about headarmor, is it vesthelm?

2008-03-26 23:56

2 replies

Yep vesthelm it is.

2008-03-26 23:57

1 reply

well, then, alright, thx

2008-03-27 00:04

so if in mTw it’s forbidden to buy Galil why player 2 in anti-eco 2 buy it? :D nice article! gj!

2008-03-27 00:07

I think that they only can't buy galil in the first buyround.

2008-03-27 10:48

Because it _really_ is the only option, i think what zonic is trying to say is that no mp5 or galil if you can avoid it in any way..

2008-03-28 03:05

were i could find all the articles with zonic tactics ? .. plz ^^ ty

2008-03-27 00:28

3 replies

just bookmark each of his articles ;) but it would be a nice idea to have some kind of link to get all his articles ;) (not only gaming advanced, the other ones too!) maybe there's something you could do nixon, if it isn't too much of work ;)

2008-03-27 00:42

Yeah...I bookmarked the last two and this one but missed the other :S So I just can't find them. asator could u give me the other links?

2008-03-27 19:54

We will do a news post where we collect them all after Dreamhack.. :)

2008-03-28 03:04

And, if Player5 goes for ace ( kills 5 ) wtf 5x3=15 means 1500 or kills4 means 1200 :P kidding ^^,, anyway thx

2008-03-27 00:46

This article about drop system. :)

2008-03-27 03:17

"Player 5 buys AK + big armor because he can afford it Player 4 does the same as well Player 2 can buy AK + big armor also Player 3 got a problem Player 1 got a problem Player 1 drop AK to Player 3 so he can get AK + big armor, then Player 1 gets Player 5 USP or whoever got a gun greater than glock. Then Player 1 can run in front of the others and scout if the CT’s should have stacked somewhere." Player 5 drop AK to player 3 so he can get AK + big armor, then Player 1 gets USP from Player 5/4 or whoever got a gun greater than glock? Thanks zonic, you helped much.. ;) These kind of topics is more helpful than tactics. Look forward to hearing from you.. ;)

2008-03-27 07:04

zonic GJ You're just the best :)

2008-03-27 09:29

nice useful but hard

2008-03-27 09:36

v.useful! GJ!

2008-03-27 09:46

Awesome :)

2008-03-27 11:02

I was always wondering about the headarmor (vesthelm). During the match, in buyrounds (ak x m4 x awp) why do you guys always buy headarmor. When you are playing CT side against AK/AWP, helm will not help you at all. When playing T side, sometimes it can help but not everytime. So why do you prefere buying vesthelm, instead of vest+HE/flashbang/smoke? Thx for reply... ;) (Btw, really great article, love these topics!)

2008-03-27 11:27

Hm, this article was for mostly the 2nd/3rd round where the other team has usp and deagle when a vesthelmet is necessary. But anyway i prefer vesthelm in every round cause you dont know what may happen.

2008-03-27 15:16

You should use vesthelm every round since you can do almost nothing without it. Lets say you have an AK and the enemy has eco (usps). If you hit a ct once in the head he dies. If he hits you in the head once (depending of distance), you will also die. If he shoots far away with an usp to your head, you will have about 16hp remaining, so any hit can kill you. Now let's say that the enemy doesn't have eco and you again with an AK w/o a vesthelm. Firstly, if enemy wallbangs and hits you, there is no real difference between getting shot in the head through wall or directly. My point is that on a decent level you will understand that vesthelm brings you many benefits and playing without it is very risky and even bothering, since you have to be extra careful to not get hit. Anyway when holding ramp, then just throw a flash with a bounce in front of the rushing terrors. If they ramp rush most of time, then you should learn that if you have a shitty spawn, then you should run back infront so you woulnd't get flashed by the first flash. Second idea is running down. And tell your mate to cover the way to the ladder, which brings you to 3rd. I hope I made myself clear enough, althought my writing isn't as well written as I desired. Thanks, zonic, I hope you will take your time to give some additional or totally different info. Regs, V

2008-03-27 21:53

Nice but HARD

2008-03-27 13:08

play HARD go PRO (c) cpl ;)

2008-03-27 18:01

good job zonic!

2008-03-27 14:59

gj bro :D :)))

2008-03-27 15:03

Really nice .. very help full

2008-03-27 16:14

To zonic for next week advanced gaming: I personally would like to hear your opinion on how a clan should practice tactics. What kind of tactics, how many etc. Do you practice whole tactics or just parts and mix it together and how many tactics should you have prepared so it don't get to much or to less? Something like that? Mykos

2008-03-27 16:18

I actually think i will try that for next week or the week after that.

2008-03-28 20:45

nice work zonic! I do not even have questions or comments about ;) what i want to see in next? #26 good question or say how can i play at ramp? just if i play one i cannot hold it. Look if i play one i give sg n flash so can play behind boxes, and if i dont have good resp, t have... i just cant do any thing, fast flash from t and i almost dead (if dont down by ramp and hide) that bad sittuation for me and my team :\ by the way good play on SLAP w8 for more:)

2008-03-27 18:13

Excuse me, but there must be a mistake, or I misunderstand something. Here: "However if one guy kills 4 guys you have 3 guys with 3 frags, then you have to buy Galil" Maybe "3 guys with 0 frags"?

2008-03-27 18:20

so much words, an unskilled person can have with reading of this article...but not me :P thanks zonic...

2008-03-27 19:02

oops i've missed *problems* sorry

2008-03-27 19:03

10x Zonic again you explain so easy somthing important as first gunround and anti eco rounds. For next or somwhere in the future i really want to explayin a really good pracc as a team and as an individual player...somthing to inspire us as players and teams....somthing that can really improve our game and see what problems we are. So pls just tell us how you train and kinde how you train whit your team somthing like mr #26 asked 10x Zonic again and good luck at the next games :D:D:D

2008-03-27 20:12

For next week, same as #28, how do u hold places like ramp and b1 on inferno and dd2? (as ct) would have been fun, do u hax allot or just peak and so on....and have pictures or videos to...think that could be great.

2008-03-27 20:21

i really liked the bit about the 2 1/2 usps'. Its something well worth a try to get your team that extra firepower! Great article :)

2008-03-28 01:40

zonic hey - Du kunne måske næste gang skrive en artikkel om hvordan man skal styrer spillet som CT. Jeg ved at i gamle dage der handlede det bare om at lukke et bombsite ned men nu om dage spiller men nogle spots agressivt og andre spots passive så man kan lokke T'erne frem på forskellige spots og faktisk styre deres spil. Der er mange folk/newbs der faktisk ikke ved det her så måske kunne det være en stor hjælp for dem at oplyse dem om det :)

2008-03-28 15:18

SRY FOR DOUBLE POST! zonic måske også en "communication-guide" kunne være en idé. Anyways rigtig flot skrevet :)

2008-03-28 15:19

"Then you have 3 guys with 0$ - Then Player 1 and 3 drops AK to each other like they were supposed to, and Player 2 simply just buy Galil and headarmor, as long as you have headarmor it should be alright." i thought galil was forbidden in mTw ;p or is that only in the buyround after gunround?

2008-03-28 15:27

I think it's also very important and more useful to talk about how to control $ on Ct side. Let's say your CT, and the Ts planted the bomb on pistol round but they lost. There's a possibility that the Ts can afford ak or deagle armor while if any of the CTs did not get any kills on pistol round, they will only have $3300 and not being able to afford m4 with armor or famas with big armor but no bullets and no kit. I think it is harder to manage your money on CT side=) Would like to see how mTw manages $ when they encounter situation like that.

2008-03-28 15:53

I did that the other day on nuke. We planted in the pistol round, but then CT,s got the defuse. 2nd round, i bought AK, and got the window frag on nuke, and then got a 3 more and we won. :) They had fully bought too.

2008-11-19 20:34

usefful but like its said b4 hard :)

2008-03-28 16:49

ah yeah, a little mistake by me. Yes if one guy kills 4 guys, then you have 3 guys with 0kills :D #29

2008-03-28 20:50

Yeah sure, what he is requesting is for me to tell you guys about how we run things as CT; aggressive style etc. and i'm thinking about it ;) Ups, both comments were supposed to be replies. buhuu :(! #39

Well glail is better than AK+small armor, because then its easier for the CT's to kill him. Anyways think of it like this: The rule: 4 guys with weap+big armor 1 guy with pistol+big armor Try to avoid Galil, but if you cant, buy it with big armor.

2008-03-28 20:53

Yeah, because buying an USP and then dropping it is SOOOOO hard :) Thank you zonic for this excellent series! How about you post something about the major playstyles in CS (ie aTTax is known for aggressive CT, emL for their slow and indecisive T) and what are the common ways to defend against them?

2008-03-29 13:41

Maybe more interesting is the situation, when you guys playing CT side won the 1st round, but T had planted the bomb... What do you do then, what to buy? M4 without vest, famas weak against AK that T will maybe buy... ? Thx for reply!

2008-03-31 22:34

how can i find all zonic gaming advanced 10x :D

2008-04-01 18:19

www.hltv.org/?pageid=35&newsid=1343

2008-04-03 16:44

Nu lurer jeg lidt over: "Then you have 3 guys with 0$ - Then Player 1 and 3 drops AK to each other like they were supposed to, and Player 2 simply just buy Galil and headarmor, as long as you have headarmor it should be alright." Så p1 og p3 skal simpelthen købe en ak, smide til hinanden, det skal gerne foregå så at ak'erne skifter hænder, de bliver jo stærkere af lidt switcheroo. Og så skal den sidste købe galil? Bare for at være på tværs, da du jo har fortalt det er ulovligt.

2008-11-19 19:44

Please use english in the forums.

2008-11-19 20:07

hvad med som ct? vis de ikk plante skal man købe usp stor armour , for de kan ik købe andet end dgl. for vis man køber famas, og når de har første buy, er de jo lidt skidt at alle står med famas, ak er jo meget stærkere..

2009-10-07 02:11

good article, GJ, thx!

2009-10-07 03:21

Amazing article. Really helpful.

2010-08-31 02:54

Pretty good article zonic.Keep them coming. What would make an interesting article next game is the topic of flashes. I'm sure you are aware that flashes are not what they used to be. Too many people dodge them efficiently the higher level you play at, and in some cases are even turning their backs the entire round in a part of the map because they expect a pop flash, while their teamate watches their back (de_inferno). It's so easy to dodge a flash it doesn't matter. And what's sadder is that even if you do get flashed, it isn't even hard to make shots while blind with decent memory, timeing and depth perception. If I had a nickle for all the times I've laughed at someone after them rageing saying I was blind after them using a shutter flash on de_inferno I'd be one rich son of a bitch. Anyways back to the question, since flashes are diminishing in effectiveness (at least in terms of their conventional use) how has your team tactically adapted to the riseing skill curve. Do you focus more on spams now in a tactic? Or actual nades? Or what? With the flash no longer a reputable means to an end in a tactic I would expect some form of adaptation is necessary/involved. I've found my way but it'd be interesting to see how a "pro's" team has adapted to it as well. Maybe you guys don't even buy flashes anymore? Who knows. Unless I know I'm playing low tier players I never do. If the players I'm playing against are any good whatsoever a flash won't do a bit of good and simply be dodged or avoided in some way. I can't even remember the last time I got flashed where it actuall accomplished anything. They aren't even good for fakes anymore. :/

2010-08-31 04:16

13 replies

A "professional gamer" (LMAO..) like you would know all this..

2010-08-31 07:09

5 replies

Correct. Just wanted his opinion on it however. :)

2010-09-01 03:28

4 replies

So, do you consider yourself a professional gamer?

2010-09-01 03:36

Nope. But I don't need to considering the standards of what it takes to play professionally in terms of skill.

2010-09-01 08:50

Right.. So when are we going to see some progress of that "awesome" client, or your next Top1 team?? You've talked alot of both things but.. no facts yet.

2010-09-01 18:05

The coder, andyz0r got burnt out on the project because it turned into a 'chore' for him. So much like always I am depdendant on the undedicated. So until he comes around and gets off his ass the client's progress can only be postponed, however I still have copies of early beta versions I'd be more than glad to share with anybody. It's a shame that the coder decided to turn on me and get lazy, but oh well. :)

2010-09-01 23:29

Dude, you have said some stupid stuff in the past, but this really takes it into the next level. "a flash won't do a bit of good and simply be dodged or avoided in some way." is honestly one of the most stupid things I have ever heard - have you even seen the top teams play? I think you should spend your time on your so-called client and your so-called team, because everytime you write stuff like that you make yourself look like a big joke. I'm hoping to see your team at the US WCG qualifier but we both know thats not gonna happen, right :D?

2010-09-01 12:23

6 replies

If a flash ever blinds me today I'll let you know.

2010-09-01 23:26

Seeing as you are too afraid to play any official matches whatsoever, that is not going to happen :)

2010-09-02 01:08

Still havn't gotten flashed yet. Oh and... www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1RypWREaKQ

2010-09-02 01:09

It blows my mind that anyone can be that stupid, but hey - coming from a guy who is too afraid to even get a team going and upload one single demo its really not that surprising :<

2010-09-02 01:11

Nope, still not flashed yet. Check back here later.

2010-09-02 01:27

I will when you turn up to a LAN tournament and win a match versus people I have heard about. We both know that will never happen in a million years, so have fun with your so-called career :)

2010-09-02 03:10