Virtus.pro threaten event boycott

28-12-2014 13:32

Virtus.pro CEO Anton "sneg" Cherepennikov has indicated that the organisation's teams will miss all events in 2015 which have outstanding prize money.

In a statement issued on Facebook, Cherepennikov reveals that Virtus.pro are owed a six-digit sum from some tournament organisers, whom he labels as "debtors and scammers."

Questioned about which events he was referring to, Virtus.pro's chief mentioned two that are involved in CS:GO tournaments: Starladder and Techlabs.

Cherepennikov has now announced that all Virtus.pro teams will "ignore leagues and tournaments" that owe the organisation money until the debts are cleared, with the exception of tournaments in which they are already participating.

Virtus.pro are due to take part in the upcoming StarSeries season, but if Starladder does not pay its outstanding prizes by February 1, then the team will withdraw from the tournament, adds Cherepennikov.

Moreover, he says that Virtus.pro will also stop attending events that do not sign contracts with the teams which include a payment schedule and fines for breaching the terms of the deal.

*UPDATE*: ESEA and Copenhagen Games have been removed from the list of tournaments with outstanding prize as per request from Virtus.pro, who say the money had already been paid.

Good

2014-12-28 13:33

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your sure it's not copenhagem wolves? no sucjh thing as coppenhagen games!

2014-12-28 15:14

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I think its Western Wolves

2014-12-28 15:16

your sure it's not western wolves ? no sucjh thing as coppenhagen wolves!

2014-12-28 19:24

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5 minutes i stared to this comment asking myself why did i replied this to me own

2014-12-28 19:32

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Mind blowing shiet.

2014-12-28 19:38

well, cya.

2014-12-28 13:33

Happy fakes-day :D

2014-12-28 13:33

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it's not a fake. It was post by the owner of VP on VP site

2014-12-28 13:33

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It is, but probably in Spain.

2014-12-28 13:48

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yep :D

2014-12-28 17:46

I know its fakes-day in Spain, but is it in Russia as well?

2014-12-28 13:48

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It's nowhere else than Spain

2014-12-28 14:29

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and Mexico

2014-12-28 22:44

wtf ???

2014-12-28 13:33

best oraniasation

2014-12-28 13:33

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Orania City, welcome to pokemon

2014-12-28 14:07

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orania city best city!

2014-12-28 14:14

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orania city good but not best (vermillion city best)

2014-12-28 15:15

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y u so mean? :(

2014-12-28 15:49

wtf

2014-12-28 13:33

Wot

2014-12-28 13:33

what the fuck

2014-12-28 13:33

wtf?

2014-12-28 13:33

jesus , this is a normal thing in portugal`s touneys....

2014-12-28 13:34

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six-digit sums ? nop

2014-12-28 19:42

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not getting paid.......

2015-01-03 19:09

thats lame if they havent payed them

2014-12-28 13:34

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normal sad stuff. not so long ago taz said they still didnt get money from eswc 2007 i guess or smth like that

2014-12-28 13:56

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are you retarded? luq stole that money

2014-12-28 14:18

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source?

2014-12-28 14:28

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That's a well known fact. I'm sure someone can find a video of taz talking about it, try an interview with thorin (podcast/grilled)

2014-12-28 14:35

well ESWC has a history...it went bankrupt the ESWC now is a different company afaik so it has nothing to do with the prizepools of the past, except the same name of the tournaments :D

2014-12-28 15:13

scammerino

2014-12-28 13:34

good approach from VP

2014-12-28 13:34

no contract no party

2014-12-28 13:34

oh shit

2014-12-28 13:34

Finally some insider news, what a shame for these organisers

2014-12-28 13:35

I applaud his courage!

2014-12-28 13:35

thumbs up

2014-12-28 13:35

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Hehe

2014-12-28 13:42

HAAHAHHAHAHA THIS GUY KNOWS HOW TO BOYCOTT

2014-12-28 13:51

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HAHA TRUE TRUE

2014-12-28 14:55

pretty sad to hear some of these organizations are yet late on a payment towards rightful prizewinners. Big applause towards Virtus Pro organization for making such a bold statement i hope they hold their selves towards it

2014-12-28 13:36

call pasha and all debts will be paid soon

2014-12-28 13:36

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call motar

2014-12-28 13:54

nice

2014-12-28 13:36

Good, other orgs should do that too, to teach those scamming bastards a lesson

2014-12-28 13:36

2014 and teams don't make contracts with tournament organisers about payment stuff? What is this, India?

2014-12-28 13:36

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No. tournaments don't make contracts. VP, EG, CLOUD9 want this.

2014-12-28 13:42

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yea +

2014-12-28 13:55

Well, they should make contracts before traveling to the tournament, just so things like India Gaming Carneval wouldn't happen again. If they have the contract, they can just sue them like real Americans.

2014-12-28 15:14

He wrote that they will play in starladder until 1st february if debts isn't cleared.

2014-12-28 13:37

bluf

2014-12-28 13:36

Good stuff. Esports never pay out, but you always make the trip.

2014-12-28 13:38

nice

2014-12-28 13:39

probably LUq took all teh moneyz

2014-12-28 13:39

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2014-12-28 13:43

Expected! Very nice:)

2014-12-28 13:40

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did u get any money from the pro series at sltv?

2014-12-28 15:22

Im really disappointed to see ESEA on this list...

2014-12-28 13:41

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So am I

2014-12-28 13:44

Disappointed but not too surprised though

2014-12-28 13:52

Me too

2014-12-28 14:11

twitter.com/lurppis_/status/549202668728..

2014-12-28 15:11

they're gone

2014-12-28 18:06

2014-12-28 13:47

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Everyone can be responsible for it. Copenhagen games should investigate the people promising them money or getting the money before announcing the prize pool. The teams could also investigate the organizers and there sponsors before showing up. It is always possible to take responsibility yourself.

2014-12-28 13:49

sounds legit...

2014-12-28 13:54

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Were you at CPH Games?

2014-12-28 15:04

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Nope, I'm too old for that. It wasn't your comment I referred to, but the information your comment contained. Don't see the reason to removing your old comment.

2014-12-28 17:35

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Well if you were. You would have seen the company you pay the ticket for went bankrupt the day ticket sale closed. I removed it cause i wanted to double check

2014-12-28 17:52

smart decision

2014-12-28 13:41

Seems fair. Not having Virtus.Pro in tournaments is a pretty big loss marketingwise, I believe. Pay up!

2014-12-28 13:42

Massive respect to Virtus Pro. As eSports becomes professional more is expected of all involved.

2014-12-28 13:43

wow ESEA doesn't pay ? not enough scandals ? damn it..

2014-12-28 13:43

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twitter.com/lurppis_/status/549202668728..

2014-12-28 15:14

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deleted tweet? what was written in it?

2014-12-28 16:26

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lurppis was claiming that ESEA had already paid Virtus.pro, but that info was later on revealed to be false

2014-12-28 16:31

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he works for ESEA..

2014-12-28 17:42

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What does he do for them?

2014-12-28 18:48

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dunno writes articles or journalist.. idgaf

2014-12-28 19:03

read the bold at the bottom

2014-12-28 18:06

Brave move from vp. It's a shame big orgs are still unable to pay prizemoney in 2014

2014-12-28 13:44

Dont ESEA pay up the day itself? if seen pictures of tables full of money.

2014-12-28 13:45

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tables < money

2014-12-28 13:55

thats for the owners, not players ;]

2014-12-28 14:00

Lol, you think it's legal to take that much cash with you on the plane? Finish school boy

2014-12-28 15:36

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6000 dollar over 6 ppl? yes you can take 1000 dollar on the plane you moron. Finish school boy.

2014-12-28 15:58

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"six-digit sum" learn 2 read boy. six-digit sum is not 6000 dollar lol!

2014-12-28 16:07

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six-digit sum in total of all tournements you facking retard.If you read my post again I was talking about ESEA. I'm sure you still don't get it but it's ok.

2014-12-28 16:17

lol, you can take 100k with you on a plane if you want, the fuck are you talking about

2014-12-28 19:49

smart! goodguy VP

2014-12-28 13:45

Well played

2014-12-28 13:46

Respect him

2014-12-28 13:46

good

2014-12-28 13:48

Don't worry, pasha will rekt them

2014-12-28 13:48

Pasha and TaZ will bell on their doors !! :D

2014-12-28 13:51

prima aprillis

2014-12-28 13:53

look, sneg is outside :DDD

2014-12-28 13:54

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Hhahahahahahhaha damn that comment

2014-12-28 13:58

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:D:D:D

2014-12-28 13:59

dafuq xD got it after i saw the flag +1 :P

2014-12-28 14:11

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2014-12-28 17:48

ahhahahahahahah

2014-12-28 14:59

Now we know why nip haven't attend in starladder or esea in a long time. This seems to be normal case in every new e-sport game. First there are all kinds of small and fishy tournaments going on with suspiciously large prize-pools. In time teams / players start whining or not attending anymore and these kind of tournaments goes away. Hopefully this will encourage other players and team managers to speak out loud. Would be nice to know how much nip actually got prize winnings in 2013.

2014-12-28 13:55

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They still played esea and sl in last season?

2014-12-28 14:05

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I recall they quit both but I could be wrong. Didn't follow regular season and they weren't on finals on either. Wonder how much motivation you have to play if you are aware that they probably never pay the prizes and are already in debt a lot for your team.

2014-12-28 15:08

esea and starladder, very small and young orgs ..

2014-12-28 14:12

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Starladder founded in 2011. Only holds tournaments in Ukraine. Poor production value, no English stream except Anders casting from his bedroom, not many spectators on spot. So yes, young and small. I always wondered where they get prize-money. Thought they had some rich Russian investor but apparently they just didn't pay prizes. Esea holds tournaments from hotel lobby without spectators. Usually have 1-2 no name sponsors. They got prizes from esea subscriptions. So again, very small.

2014-12-28 14:57

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Yup starladder is such a small lan in dota...

2014-12-28 15:14

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Never watched but I have a feeling it's big because dota has it's own crowdfunding for smaller tournaments. They probably can't steal that money :).

2014-12-28 15:35

nice

2014-12-28 13:55

as if they will actually boycott anything if they dont get paid. then they will get even less money as they wont attend any events.

2014-12-28 13:56

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If they don't even get any money, why spend tons on travel? Also, they can't just sit by while they're having their rightfully earned money stolen. They have to step up.

2014-12-28 14:10

How can they get less money, if there's no money besides the beautiful numbers-on-paper anyway?

2014-12-28 15:05

Uh oh... They're running out of money already for the csgo players...

2014-12-28 13:57

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Ayy my friend, stop spreading your verbal feces in this forum.

2014-12-28 13:59

Fair decision, well played vp

2014-12-28 13:59

havent VP thrown enough to make 6 digit sums half-kappa

2014-12-28 14:01

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half-funny

2014-12-28 14:15

now u know why Keepo

2014-12-28 14:18

Nice vp standing up

2014-12-28 14:02

nice

2014-12-28 14:08

every team should do this

2014-12-28 14:08

VP i love you.

2014-12-28 14:08

Well done, VP. Got all my support for this.

2014-12-28 14:09

They deserve to do whatever they want as long as there are some companies still doing the " I'll pay you later" Job .. :)

2014-12-28 14:10

Most of the major dota 2 teams are already avoiding starladder they never pay lmao

2014-12-28 14:11

GJ Virtus Pro. That´s how you get your money back: Making everything public!

2014-12-28 14:15

good Sneg!!! WP!

2014-12-28 14:16

2014-12-28 14:18

Hopefully, the others organisations will follow.

2014-12-28 14:25

thumbs up :).

2014-12-28 14:27

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again

2014-12-28 14:51

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This time the toes of his feet.

2014-12-28 14:58

Ayyy lmao

2014-12-28 14:29

Pasha need money it's because !

2014-12-28 14:30

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I aren't think that

2014-12-28 15:07

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It was a troll ...

2014-12-28 16:18

Sanctions guys;D

2014-12-28 14:32

Props to vp

2014-12-28 14:32

because theyre russians

2014-12-28 14:35

nice move from VP

2014-12-28 14:36

well done, I hope the rest of the teams do this too. For better CS!

2014-12-28 14:37

That's the right move. Unpaid prizes have been an issue for over a decade now. Nowadays the scene is both old enough and big enough to have a solid base what comes to organizations and managers, no more Blight Gaming today or manager Blue stealing from the team. But a lot of the tournament hosts still battle with paying. CPL used to get their immense prize purse from online qualifiers. In the early days any team could join. It was only 80 bucks and that's not too much for 5 players to split between. There were like 250 teams per region (at least in our region). And several sponsors. CPL management and officials made ---shitloads--- of money and then didn't pay the prize money.

2014-12-28 14:42

Fantastic, I love the strict approach by VP I think every team should follow suit.

2014-12-28 14:40

Same thing with WCG and CPL at least...

2014-12-28 14:41

Finally. I admire your courage.

2014-12-28 14:44

lol this is CPL all over again!!! What a shame

2014-12-28 14:44

Lol. eSport is sometimes a joke. CS needs something like kESPA in Europe. What happend to G8 (or something like that?) who would take care of issues like this incase a tournament failed to pay out prize money with legal action? I remember G8 was of NiP, SK, EG, coL etc etc - correct me if im wrong. I support VP decision and respect them more even though I dont fanboy the CSGO team.

2014-12-28 14:56

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What's kESPA?

2014-12-28 15:17

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The Korea e-Sports Association or KeSPA is a South Korean body established to manage e-sports in South Korea. It works like a voice between players/teams/organisations and tournaments inbetween. Like a union. There is also International e-Sports Federation (IeSF) that started out in South Korea as well but it involves many countries. Its not strong as it sounds and I wish it was. This way no tournament can screw a team over and vice versa. Like a middle man in a tournament and the process.

2014-12-28 20:09

"*UPDATE*: ESEA and Copenhagen Games have been removed from the list of tournaments with outstanding prize as per request from Virtus.pro, who say the money had already been paid." That means ESEA and CPH paid instantly after VP news about boycot? :D

2014-12-28 15:04

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No... it means VP was wrong and have been drinking too much vodka. Kinda embarrasing to name someone and then find out that they have already paid... i bet CPHGAMES paid them a long time ago.

2014-12-28 15:28

esea was wrongly placed in there statement it was already clarified by the VP organization on that.

2014-12-28 15:25

It means vp staff = retards

2014-12-28 15:34

Nope, Virtus pro is just retarded as fuck.

2014-12-28 16:06

RIP VP, cya noobs! :-)

2014-12-28 15:12

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-1

2014-12-28 15:18

Smart move from VP. Good to see someone who has identified the cause of a major problem in CS:GO that spans back many years. Properly executed, binding contracts are the only way to fix the likes of ESL, Starladder, ESEA, etc. refusing to remunerate teams and players (alongside other issues). Props to sneg, pushing CS:GO forward positively.

2014-12-28 15:12

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play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic..

2014-12-28 18:09

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Yeah read this earlier, along with sneg1's comments. Seems like a lost in translation misunderstanding, which is unfortunate for ESEA, but the expectation for deceit is still prevalent in people's minds from the bitcoin mining disgrace.

2014-12-28 18:16

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:( ah well 30,000 subscribers party this week!

2014-12-28 18:21

your sure it's not copenhagem wolves? no sucjh thing as coppenhagen games!

2014-12-28 15:14

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copenhagengames.com/

2014-12-28 15:26

wut

2014-12-28 15:16

2014-12-28 15:32

On their facebook they write: Update 2: It's unfair to blame only Starladder. Here is the list of biggest debtors: ESEA, Excellent Moscow Cup, Techlabs, Copenhagen games, i-league. Edit: They didn't remove CPH Games or ESEA from Facebook Official Statement, which is weird if they told you so?

2014-12-28 15:34

virtus.low stay home pl0x

2014-12-28 15:45

Good thing, these shit bags need 2 stop scamming

2014-12-28 15:51

community need to go after this as they did after IGC

2014-12-28 16:17

GG VP

2014-12-28 16:37

gotcha !

2014-12-28 17:07

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He must have overlooked that but SL isn't really the main culprit they're accusing, it's more just ESEA

2014-12-28 17:07

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re-read it. sneg1 has ambitions, and 3\4 of statements it's about CIS leagues. Let it be like that. We will see, how much tournaments they will ignore after this.

2014-12-28 17:08

play.esea.net/index.php?s=forums&d=topic..

2014-12-28 18:09

Why does VP make a public statement for this instead if handling it privately anyway. I mean sure they want to show people that they are boycotting the league but wait a tiny bit, handle it properly in private instead of risking the chance of being wrong in front of everybody and looking like idiots.

2014-12-28 17:05

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To show the rest of the top teams what they think should be done and to put pressure on the organizers.

2014-12-28 17:34

TaZ and Neo are so unlucky. They rarely had a stable organization back in 1.6 days (Pentagram and MYM are probably the ones who kept golden five the longest period of time). Tournaments such as ESWC (and others) never paid their prize money to Golden Five. I believe The poles haven't received around of hundred thousand of dollars.

2014-12-28 17:44

There will be a new ESEA client update after this post, bitcoin mining version 2.0, commence!

2014-12-28 19:07

virtus.pro/news/ofitsialnaya-pozitsiya-v.. .....

2014-12-28 20:01

This is a fairly common recurring issue in pro gaming, sadly ;c;

2014-12-28 20:56

back to mining for ESEA

2014-12-28 21:00

nice!

2014-12-29 06:00

nice

2014-12-29 06:09

pity only VP has the balls to stand up to this bullshit

2014-12-29 09:17

standard procedure, especially when your talking 6digits

2014-12-29 12:03

Good for VP. All teams should join in this. People are always talking about how to make cs and esports more legitimate. Well, we can start by actually paying the fucking players.

2014-12-30 02:45