ex-ESC: "Banned without any proof"

ex-ESC's Paweł "innocent" Mocek commented on Valve's decision to ban all of their players from all Valve-affiliated tournaments, stating that his team was banned "without any proof".

Moments ago ESL announced that the entirety of ex-ESC has been banned from any Valve-sponsored tournaments, as well as ESL itself, following a match-fixing scandal a part of the team was involved in as ALSEN.


"Banned without any proof," says ex-ESC's innocent

Paweł "⁠innocent⁠" Mocek decided to give us a thorough statement on the matter, where the Polish player says that the team was banned with no proof:

"Today all my team got banned from Valve majors. What is weird we seriously, never, ever fixed a match. You can investigate all of our matches and you will find nothing. Only reason might be ALSEN drama, but its not correct because we are all banned, and only 2 of our players went for big bet there, i bet something like 15$ before we even knew that something might be happening, szpero and minise didnt bet at all. ESL also dont know anything about it." Mocek told HLTV.org

"The only one "proof" that we have got is 'valve was checking steam chat logs' – when people are asking us 'will you win?' we always say 'NO, THROWING' because its stupid question and you never know an answer for that. Is it seriously the reason of ban for the biggest events? When we created our team we told to ourselves 'we will never fix a match, dont even ask for it, its not going to happen'. Today we are banned without any proofs, its pretty interesting, that I asked CSGOLongue admin to show us some proof about match-fixing and said that they really have no idea what this is about, that we are clean.

It is a really big hit for us as a team and personal, we are extremely sad and dont know what to do with our lives as we all quit schools and jobs after having this magnificent chance to grow up and focus on CS few days ago. I think that we seriously should have at least an e-mail with proofs, that we were caught on this and this match, but we didnt. PLUS when we found about about matchfixing couple of days ago I instantly reported this to csgolongue to be fair and make the game better. We are really looking forward for any explanation what is the reason of our bans, but I can assure you, that our team is innocent. More information soon, I hope."

The news came as a big hit to the Polish scene, whose ex-ESC were banned "indefinitely", while those bans will not be re-evaluated before 2016, meaning they will be in place for at least ten months.

Poland Paweł 'innocent' Mocek
Paweł 'innocent' Mocek
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#1
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hahaha wtf innocent is innocent?
2015-02-06 18:26
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innocent is "innocent" *Kappa*
2015-02-06 18:26
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no Kappa
2015-02-06 18:27
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2015-02-06 18:22 NEVER FORGET
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Innocent begins with an i, illuminati ends with a i illuminati confirmed.
2015-02-06 20:10
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boooom
2015-02-06 18:28
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what ?
2015-02-06 19:14
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'will you win?' we always say 'NO, THROWING' you must say, yes we will try
2015-02-06 19:35
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Denmark k0nor
That's how stupid it is! It's a stupid question, OFC they will try! It's irony.
2015-02-06 19:42
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i know, but valve does not know
2015-02-06 21:07
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valve can make and run a multi-mil. game but don't understand sarcasm?!?
2015-02-06 22:08
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Poland tylkopudzian
+1
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+1
2015-02-07 03:31
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#547
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Who says they can run it? The servers lag everyday at a specific time pretty much. XD
2015-02-07 09:24
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Denmark InKa.nation
Maybe you should check your internet connection or get a new pc mate?
2015-02-07 11:35
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thinkii | 
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when I ask ppl if they will win they always say: - yes - dunno - it will be a tough game
2015-02-07 12:56
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Germany Rosal
thanks for explanation
2015-02-06 18:37
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2015-02-06 18:37
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I didn't throw!
2015-02-07 05:21
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innocent playing innocent
2015-02-07 08:56
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Poland Ogarrr
shut up little sweden rat
2015-02-06 18:28
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lol, why so mad? you willn't have any csgo teams in poland soon, so maybe you should go out for once
2015-02-06 18:29
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vp?
2015-02-06 18:30
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that's what i mean, when the truth comes out it will hurt :(
2015-02-06 18:31
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I doubt VP will ever get banned ;p .
2015-02-06 18:32
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We all remember NIP vs Fnatic when Fnatic has 10% :)
2015-02-06 18:34
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well, i don't remember it XD
2015-02-06 18:47
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Germany Rosal
+1 lol
2015-02-06 18:55
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hahahahahahahah XDD \___/ <- cry here "beaches" XD
2015-02-06 19:16
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It has holes. The tears will leak D:
2015-02-06 19:45
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mad polaks hahaha gotta love it
2015-02-06 19:14
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What he fuck? Where are You from?
2015-02-06 19:36
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Kirgistan i guess
2015-02-06 21:09
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u love it after goats or before goats?
2015-02-06 21:16
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u da real mvp m@n!
2015-02-06 20:58
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wat
2015-02-06 23:08
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Poland Ogarrr
Because i know these guys and the never sold any match... I wanna have no team in PL than have fnatic in country.
2015-02-06 18:31
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#109
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Sweden darealmvp
ehmm, i am neo's long-lost brother and i know that he threw several games, and i also have solid evidence to backup my statements
2015-02-06 18:33
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neo is way better then any swede ever will, so don't throw shit just because jealous
2015-02-06 18:47
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where are you from? czech, slovakia, chech,what was it called again? there's 20+ swedish players better than neo, so wtf are you talking about?
2015-02-06 18:49
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Angry, angry everywhere...
2015-02-06 22:50
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Australia ethicsw0w
_is_? LOL hahahahahahhahah
2015-02-06 19:08
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Not in CSGO, stop living in the past
2015-02-06 19:10
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Poland n1u
ofc not in CSGO, but in history CS no doubt he is the best player, better than GTR, f0rest, and all Swedes.
2015-02-06 22:52
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Was* He's shit now but still a smart igl
2015-02-07 03:31
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was* maybe.
2015-02-06 19:12
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Sad
2015-02-06 19:17
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i aren't think that
2015-02-06 18:32
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Virtus.pro- one of the best teams on the world :>
2015-02-06 18:33
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Rude.
2015-02-06 18:29
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Frøslev | 
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The purest of virgins.
2015-02-06 18:33
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i wouldn't say he looks like a virgin, he seems to get lots of pussy and/or dick whenever he wants to, based on his looks
2015-02-06 18:37
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#175
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Poland Ogarrr
so? every players must look like you ? fat and ugly ? Looks is very important thing in our life.
2015-02-06 18:44
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#184
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sorry, i just can't comprehend what you're trying to inform me please learn how to english before talk in forum, okay? =D
2015-02-06 18:46
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'cant comprehend wjat you're trying to inform me' 'please learn how to english before talk on forum' I don't think you should be telling him to learn english
2015-02-06 19:01
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wjat? are you blind? it clearly says "what" i don't think you should be able to write to me
2015-02-06 19:04
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#389
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obvious troll :P
2015-02-06 20:17
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yeh, I made a typo while on my phone. My point still stands though, you've made several grammatical mistakes in your post :)
2015-02-06 23:36
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#196
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Poland Farvetto
Innocent is innocent Illuminati is illuminati
2015-02-06 18:48
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Poland dzon33
lololol volvo gone really wild, are you serious?! xd So how about Shahzam? Almost the same situation. Scream is not banned just because GMX is licking his balls and said he is innocent? Ok volvo, seems legit xd
2015-02-06 18:50
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#217
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Sweden darealmvp
i agree, both shahzam and scream should be banned unfortunately, valve will never ban scream since he's a really popular player with many fanboys following him :(
2015-02-06 18:52
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Poland dzon33
That's true what you saying but .. really? Because they bet on alsen they are punished like team which throw match? kappa..
2015-02-06 18:54
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Italy Aliin
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
2015-02-06 18:26
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1 reply
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NEO | 
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2015-02-06 18:33
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Poland rzarpnik
expected
2015-02-06 18:26
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Bulgaria KinGoon
sad :(
2015-02-06 18:26
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Czech Republic aeathry
he's innocent
2015-02-06 18:26
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Turkey sharnV
you made me laugh so easily :D
2015-02-06 19:46
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Sweden Arizq
i arent think that
2015-02-06 18:26
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expcted
2015-02-06 18:26
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Poland myst3r5
#FreeESC !
2015-02-06 18:26
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[*]
2015-02-06 18:26
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Poland STRRRRRR
stich from riuC ? :)
2015-02-06 18:34
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jOELZ | 
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you've got the wrong guy!
2015-02-06 18:41
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Poland STRRRRRR
k sry then
2015-02-06 19:03
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jOELZ | 
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:)
2015-02-06 19:12
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Poland yaD'
waiting for evidence tbh
2015-02-06 18:27
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+1
2015-02-06 18:43
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Canada rumthin
valve didnt provide any evidence when they banned ibp, so i doubt theyll give evidence for ex-esc ban.
2015-02-06 18:50
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They came out after the bans though. Innocent claims 3 of them are innocent, so it'd be nice to see some proof to see who's right here
2015-02-06 19:03
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I thought there was only one Innocent
2015-02-06 19:38
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Poland yaD'
i meant ex-ESC, all ALSEN throws are confirmed but idk about ESC
2015-02-06 19:44
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Russia razortw
you wont get it valve does whatever the fuck it wants
2015-02-06 19:05
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Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
2015-02-06 19:43
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#345
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Poland yaD'
i meant ex-ESC, all ALSEN throws are confirmed but idk about ESC
2015-02-06 19:45
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jackasmo | 
Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
+100500
2015-02-06 19:54
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ropz | 
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1k profit = no proof k den #kurwa
2015-02-06 18:27
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Russia ma1Ncore
wat? ECS :DD
2015-02-06 18:27
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Sweden heitjan
omg
2015-02-06 18:27
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lies
2015-02-06 18:27
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Kappa
2015-02-12 12:37
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Estonia getrektnoob
obviously they have proof. Valve wouldn't do this out of thin air.
2015-02-06 18:27
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Poland eStergo
so show them. its kids logic "i have it, but i dont show this etc."
2015-02-06 18:29
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Estonia getrektnoob
ask Valve, I didn't ban anyone Im just saying- as everyone knows, valve is so fucking slow and passive doing everything. So if they decide to ban someone, then obiously they have proof and have thought this through.
2015-02-06 18:31
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Canada vrill
Because they definitely thought the AUG update and CZ addition very thoroughly
2015-02-06 18:34
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Estonia getrektnoob
specific gameplay related issues aren't exactly the same. valve are nor progamers, can't 100% predict how those updates play out.
2015-02-06 18:36
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#202
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Canada vrill
Still shows incompetence and lack of preparation or planning. Programming or not this is a repetitive behaviour from the CSGO team. With the weapon updates, it is almost like they do not even test the values in a server before they launch the update. Same thing here; they're not even thinking ahead or even critically about what they are doing. They are just taking the easy draconian route when they should have done something about match-fixing 6+ months ago when the first allegations occurred. It would have been as simple as creating a rule whereby if players are caught match-fixing in official matches, they would receive bans. I'm sure with players being informed of match-fixing's legality and consequence none of this bullshit would have happened. But nope, Valve just had to shit the bed... AGAIN. This is not 'slow and passive' this is practically procrastination. Seriously, no reasonable group of people can sit on an issue like this for 6+ months and come up with this sort of solution. It is like they JUST realised this is a thing.
2015-02-06 18:51
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Damn right man!
2015-02-06 19:10
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United States SDK951
To be fair, it's a large company. They can't just decide to do something. I'm sure they have to go through other people to get certain things done. It'd be silly for them to log on to a computer and just be able to read anyones chat logs and check anyones trade history. They probably have to submit some dumb form, and have someone else do it or some bullshit.
2015-02-06 18:46
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Sweden eurekaa
exactly. I expecte much more from valve. Banning a team without tellign why, that's under all critizism.
2015-02-06 18:32
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Canada rumthin
valve didnt show any evidence when they banned ibp. they're not going to show any evidence here either.
2015-02-06 18:40
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Sweden Zitron
Why would valve go out with the proof for everyone to see. Some players maybe would like to keep that shit private.
2015-02-06 19:54
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Canada vrill
You mean the 5 people that manage CSGO that clearly show their incompetence over, and over, and over, and over again? Ok.
2015-02-06 18:33
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North America borisNIP
why? valve showed many times they are a joke wih no brain.
2015-02-06 18:38
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United Kingdom BiGz
lel
2015-02-06 18:27
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What did I say last night on steam m9, cu DHW 2015 champs ;)
2015-02-06 18:48
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Belgium Keno^^
Lol
2015-02-06 18:27
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SHOULDA STAYED IN SCHOOL RIP IN PEPPERONIS :D
2015-02-06 18:27
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Poland fri3nd
what now valve
2015-02-06 18:27
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FalleN | 
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#fuckvolvo movement
2015-02-06 18:27
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Poland Marcines
valve noobs
2015-02-06 18:27
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Denmark Ras00
"quit schools and jobs" Get rekt m8
2015-02-06 18:27
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#29
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United States DWawa2
That sucks. Very unprofessional on volvo's part.
2015-02-06 18:27
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#30
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Poland Ogarrr
#freeESC
2015-02-06 18:27
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Poland tylkopudzian
#forgive
2015-02-06 18:28
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Poland Kuz.
BIG LOL
2015-02-06 18:27
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#33
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France JoeyGuerreva
more drama inc
2015-02-06 18:28
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Senzu | 
Poland Z0h4n01
#freeESC
2015-02-06 18:28
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Poland Ogarrr
#FUCK VALVE
2015-02-06 18:28
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North America CrazyHeartsz
;/
2015-02-06 18:28
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France Sundeismvp
gg wp
2015-02-06 18:28
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#38
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Poland eStergo
well, if thats true and they got banned for being sarcastic or because volvo just wants to, this is a tradegy for cs go.
2015-02-06 18:28
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#41
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Canada MiyaReinX
Volvo is so ban-happy. might as well ban all. to prevent future match fixings. Volvo pl0x make it happen.
2015-02-06 18:28
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#42
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Finland KRNG^^^^^^^^
I honestly think this is a fuckup from Valve's part. ALSEN players deserved it but i don't think ESC have ever fixed a march
2015-02-06 18:28
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#43
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Poland WojtosDK
#fuckvolvo
2015-02-06 18:28
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#44
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Poland deadsky313
gj csgolongue
2015-02-06 18:28
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Whoever is in charge at the valve office is retarded. Proven a numerous of times now. Come on, this is not just a game anymore ;-)
2015-02-06 18:28
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Poland sz0u
This is not a game anymore, but when valve is doing something like this (Ban 2 teams before Major) without any proofs its really stupid. We (community) want to see some proofs, and i think also banned pro players.
2015-02-06 18:32
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You are definetly right.
2015-02-06 19:09
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#319
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Austria db42
3 of ESC betted. The story of him knowning only minutes before/after the game started that its a throw is most likely made up anyway, bet is bet, even if its a 2€ profit. I dont see how the amount matters if you take part in match fixing. Scream and Skadoodle made no profit /partly didnt even know about their throws, so it's kinda confusing that all 5 of them are banned if only 3 betted.
2015-02-06 19:30
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#333
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Poland sz0u
So, we have best drama ever: GMX is saying that EPSILON throw match against Overgaming, after 2 days he is comming with info: Scream is innocent i forget that he didn't bet. 4players from Epsilon Banned and scream is innocent, case=close. Now ESC banned for betting against themselves and banned all of them (5players even if there is info that only mouz and rallen did this) So, my question is: Valve will unban innocent,minise and szpero cuz im saying that they never bet against themselves ? it's a commedy, ShaHzam is not banned even if he had info about all story of IBP Throw.
2015-02-06 19:37
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#362
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Austria db42
the real question we dont know an answer to is if ESC threw another game besides the ALSEN involvment. transparency by CSGL or Valve would be the best thing here, but it's Valve's way with statement, same for VAC bans.
2015-02-06 19:59
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#49
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World polishonion69
fuck poland
2015-02-06 18:29
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#98
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MICHU | 
Poland Luucek
oho we've got a badass here
2015-02-06 18:33
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1 reply
#248
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Slovenia eTheBlack
Umm this picture says otherwise i.imgur.com/Pb3wfLI.jpg
2015-02-06 19:02
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#50
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Netherlands DvulpTiranity
GG Valve, retards They're pretty much just trying to clean up things that don't need to be cleaned up. Let's ban VP while we're at it! You know, for the match from ages ago against LDLC. They bet on themselves, ex-ESC only had 2 members max betting on ANOTHER team. Let's be fair then Valve...
2015-02-06 18:30
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+1
2015-02-06 18:35
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#178
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Belgium v1ncNtt
+1
2015-02-06 18:45
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Thing is that VP placed the bets after the match - they didnt throw it. Still think we need proof of esc throwing
2015-02-06 19:08
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While that is true, they did still try to bet against themselves, which is against the rules. So far, there is no evidence (yet) of ESC ever throwing a match, meaning that Valve has banned them without a reason. The reason for the 2/3 members was that they bet on ANOTHER team that was throwing. There are and were no official rules for that yet and SZPERO and minise didn't even bet at all and are therefore wrongfully banned. I just think that Valve needs to be more fair when it's about this stuff. I hate teams throwing, but I also hate people being wrongfully banned and hated.
2015-02-06 20:54
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The 'don't bet against yourself rule' just came out tbh. Valve is more about chasing those who THROW games (affect the integrity of the game) - by throwing I mean losing on purpose. I could even understand a tier 2-3 team betting against themselves in a match vs a team like EnvyUS/fnatic, although I wouldn't agree with it if it was done pre-match. VP didn't affect the integrity of the game in any way. They played to their max potential while the game was going on. I know that what they did wasn't the nicest thing to do, but it's not the same as the ex-ibp situation. I'm honestly hoping that Valve will look back at the ESC bans and revert them if there actually is no proof. The fact that ex-ESC are even saying they're innocent (not a pun) makes me somewhat believe it, just because no other team has done that. All the others accused of it have openly admitted to it. Minise & innocent were having some incredible matches. They pretty much won the first half of cache yesterday all by themselves.
2015-02-06 23:49
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#51
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Poland deadsky313
#freeesc
2015-02-06 18:29
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#53
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World tel3
#freeESC
2015-02-06 18:29
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#54
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Romania DISEASE/10/
I`m sure that his last sentence should`ve been "but I can assure you,that we will keep innocent in our team"
2015-02-06 18:29
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Claims they were innocent but we all know innocent is not innocent. :)
2015-02-06 18:29
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#211
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Europe  Skaarj
2015-02-06 18:50
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#245
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Denmark TrekZ12
Well he are innocent tho
2015-02-06 19:01
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#58
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Belarus 4rz
Valve is so fucking retarded.
2015-02-06 18:29
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#59
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World albaengan
valve should close csgl and problem solved.
2015-02-06 18:29
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the thing is that they actually are allowed to do that and take all the skins with them haha
2015-02-06 23:51
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#60
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Poland LGfisgod
classic valve
2015-02-06 18:29
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#61
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Iceland qbZRD
TBH if they got banned for betting on somebody else match (They knew about throw) then VP should be banned aswell for betting on already played match. No I'm not VP nor ESC hater. That's just stupid that they ban whole ex-ESC without showing proof. And it all started with the introduction of Skins and CSGL. Why don't valve just ban CSGL? They can easily ban all of their bots etc. Problem would be solved.
2015-02-06 18:42
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#254
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syrsoN | 
Germany PhoenixD!!!
but CSGL is a huge popularity factor for cs go
2015-02-06 19:03
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4 replies
#395
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Iceland qbZRD
Not CSGL but skins.
2015-02-06 20:33
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Match on Lounge = massive viewership on stream. Match not on Lounge = a fifth or less of the viewership of matches on Lounge. Lounge matters a lot.
2015-02-06 23:45
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#516
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Iceland qbZRD
No skins in csgo = no CSGL So no matter how you look at it, it's because of the skins. Still Valve should ban CSGL. I don't care about ~30k more crybaby viewers. Skins = cancer. Just look at the HLTV how it looks now.
2015-02-07 01:02
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#533
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Indonesia OnlineJW
Without skins CSGO would probably be dead by now,like CSS
2015-02-07 03:39
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#387
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Sweden Zitron
You dont see that is two complete different scenarios. The VP thing was just a mistake from CGL to have matches thats already played up for bets.
2015-02-06 20:16
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#444
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World Elliot Nezz
They didn't show proof for ex-iBP or Epsilon either. Other than the public statement saying they have conclusive evidence, we were never privy to the findings from their investigation.
2015-02-06 21:23
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ibp admitted to it though, ESC are denying it all
2015-02-06 23:52
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#62
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
pabeL | 
Dominican Republic pabeL
FreeESC!!!!!!!
2015-02-06 18:30
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#63
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Sweden mrarrogant
#freeESC (#oratleastinnocentminiseszperosotheycanbringinmichu) really fucked up they ban minise and szpero (and innocent, come on its fuckin 15$.), either it's a mistake or they ban them for something else
2015-02-06 18:30
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#64
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Finland TuukkaTheGeek
-.-
2015-02-06 18:30
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#65
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Poland denat
valve give us proofs or unban. This in not soviet russia where people could be destroyed without any evidences of guilt.
2015-02-06 18:30
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#83
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Sweden Emmpppeee
WE WANT PROOF WE WANT PROOF NOOW!!!
2015-02-06 18:32
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#158
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Poland enterq18
+ fucking 1
2015-02-06 18:40
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#199
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North America borisNIP
agree, fuck commie shit valve!
2015-02-06 18:48
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#252
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Slovenia eTheBlack
Nice try Flusha.
2015-02-06 19:03
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#66
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Poland blejdzik
#F....VOLVO !!!!!!!!!
2015-02-06 18:30
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Innocent forgot to write Kappa at the end of his rant. Kappa
2015-02-06 18:31
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#69
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France Zumoooo
Never joke on Steam chat, got it!
2015-02-06 18:31
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#70
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Estonia Sinivaal
oi kurwa!
2015-02-06 18:31
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#71
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Sweden Emmpppeee
I actually think Inoccent and co are inoccent becouse these guys threw every thing away for CS:GO and then risking it? would be stupid in my opinion.. like ESC they left their organisation to find something bigger.. to grow as a team, and then THIS? #FREEESC
2015-02-06 18:31
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#119
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Poland Patiro
Even their schools and jobs. Pretty sad that this happened :/
2015-02-06 18:34
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#123
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Turkey Markers
Are you fucking retarded? This scandal happened months ago, way before they had any of this chance.
2015-02-06 18:35
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if anything did happen and they knew they could get banned any day (volvo said they're investigating more cases), do you still think they'd drop out of schools and quit their jobs? :/
2015-02-06 23:53
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#513
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Turkey Markers
I doubt they all just dropped their school and jobs a few days ago, they are just putting up a story to raise sempathy.
2015-02-07 00:24
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I don't like esc but I think they don't deserve these bans.
2015-02-06 18:31
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#74
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Palestine muzaftw
This is valve bitches they know what they are doing
2015-02-06 18:31
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#76
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Poland Pipas
This is bullshit !
2015-02-06 18:31
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#77
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Spain Ayrr
When u try to defend urself with that typical excuse of ''No proofs'' means u really cheated somewhere fixing. But I agree, Valve should show some proofs.
2015-02-06 18:34
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#163
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Poland enterq18
ok so Valve should ban you for cheat then
2015-02-06 18:41
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#180
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Spain Ayrr
I don't cheat. I don't need to tell you ''You don't have proofs'' If valve has something they will show us for sure, just wait.
2015-02-06 18:45
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#194
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Poland Goodkat
no, mate. sorry for some polish ESC guys, not having enough skills in english. But as a native speaker i do understand Inoocents' confusion and undeliberate miss-translation. Different family language, do not expect a proper translation every time.
2015-02-06 18:48
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#78
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Romania KrieppeN
I believe him! Pawel is a great person and I personally don't think they will do such a thing. I am so sorry for what happened and hope they will find justice. Good luck!
2015-02-06 18:32
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#79
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Sweden nESTw0w
they had listing of all of you guys betting on alsen, not enough proof lol, gtfo
2015-02-06 18:31
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2 replies
#107
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Poland Patiro
source
2015-02-06 18:33
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1 reply
#534
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Indonesia OnlineJW
No CZ
2015-02-07 03:41
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#80
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Katniss | 
Korea katniss
team innocent comfirmed
2015-02-06 18:31
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#86
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Norway fired213
Hahaha volvo gj...
2015-02-06 18:32
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#90
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World D4mciO
#bieda
2015-02-06 18:32
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#93
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Poland Patiro
Thats a really big hit for Polish csgo scene :/
2015-02-06 18:33
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#95
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India n0vaP
#FREEESC
2015-02-06 18:33
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#96
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Malta WATSKy
lets see
2015-02-06 18:33
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#99
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United States Raffi357
#FreeexESC
2015-02-06 18:33
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#101
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Poland Strusiek
#FREEESC
2015-02-06 18:33
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#104
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Morocco urachicho
"It is a really big hit for us as a team and personal, we are extremely sad and dont know what to do with our lives as we all quit schools and jobs after having this magnificent chance to grow up and focus on CS few days ago" I feel really bad for them.. It's hard to be fired from a job that you had in an instance because you don't know what to do with your life anymore.. Hope Valve provides some proofs or unban these guys..
2015-02-06 18:33
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#110
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France binet
This actually raises a big problem on how those bans are decided if what he says is true. I honestly doubt Valve would go into such decision without true proofs. To be continued...
2015-02-06 18:33
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#111
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Europe JuliusCaesar
All I know - He is talking the truth about "NO, THROWING". They allways say this and he is talking true about this. #freeESC #don't_care_about_swag
2015-02-06 18:34
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#114
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Poland mati9730
RATUJ KUBENIE, ESC W POTRZEBIE.
2015-02-06 18:34
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#115
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Germany WAYNETRAIN-
"as we all quit schools and jobs after having this magnificent chance to grow up and focus on CS few days ago" well big hit for them, hope valve will think about it again
2015-02-06 18:34
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#121
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Europe GildzZ
['] :(((( INNOCENT I BELIEVE
2015-02-06 18:35
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#124
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Poland Roni445
Innocent not that innocent Kappa
2015-02-06 18:35
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#126
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Cyprus JoOoOohNy
since smn's ban, the csgo comes upside down! :D
2015-02-06 18:36
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#127
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World torman93
Volvo don't gives a fuck about if somethings true or not. I've got ban with 4 friends on MM because steam broke up. And they don't negotiate. Why? Because fuck you.
2015-02-06 18:35
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#128
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Korea adlard
Now VP are going to be banned. It's official.
2015-02-06 18:35
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#129
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World tazman1ac
"we are extremely sad and dont know what to do with our lives as we all quit schools and jobs after having this magnificent chance to grow up and focus on CS" Fucking quitting school or a job for a chance to be a semi-pro at a video game. What the actual fuck.
2015-02-06 18:35
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#181
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Poland Z0h4n01
"semi-pro"? u wot m8? if esc is semi-pro than nV, VP, NiP, fnatic etc are also semi-pro LOL
2015-02-06 18:45
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WHAT??? NIP HAVE A SALARY THATS ABOUT AVERAGE PAY IN SWEDEN PER MONTH, THEY ARE THE DEFINITION OF PRO PLAYERS YOU STUPID FUCK!
2015-02-06 20:50
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#457
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World tazman1ac
The people in the absolute top of the scene who can actually make a living in a proper country by playing are pros. NOT some scrubs who are never gonna win anything and make less than 1000€ a month.
2015-02-06 22:07
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#197
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Sweden Hampzuka
They are from Polen, the earnings they make on CS is so much higher then actually working there. True story.
2015-02-06 18:48
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#130
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Germany DerMitDemBlunt
Valve really should make this process more transparent ... at least the people banned should get the ability to appeal their bans or at least get to see the prove for their bans
2015-02-06 18:35
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#137
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North America KyneS
+1
2015-02-06 18:37
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#134
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India AnakiN^
There is written that the ban will not be re-evaluated means if they are innocent still they will not be unbanned ?
2015-02-06 18:37
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#148
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World torman93
well... yes :/
2015-02-06 18:39
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#135
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North America KyneS
GL boys i hope you will be unbanned :)
2015-02-06 18:37
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#139
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Italy 1nf3rn4L
#FREEESC ESC ban is pretty stupid, they didn't throw
2015-02-06 18:37
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#141
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jackasmo | 
Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
2015-02-06 18:38
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#144
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World nkr^_^
Interesting that the defense isn't that "we didn't do it" but rather "you have no proof" oh well
2015-02-06 18:38
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#152
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Canada Hotw1re
first two sentences "What is weird we seriously, never, ever fixed a match."
2015-02-06 18:39
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#161
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Poland TheWolf173
Have u even read it ? lol
2015-02-06 18:41
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#151
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North America borisNIP
valve should ban the whole scene than the match fixing problem would be solved
2015-02-06 18:39
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#153
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Austria xdefxx
RIP ESC, tyle ludzi na was liczylo.....
2015-02-06 18:39
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#155
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Poland Goodkat
imho if that was only 15$ and ECS guys who know each other well (therefore knowing that they f.e. suck today) that situation should never been an ultimate reason to ban the whole team for that. The decision has been made already and we can do shit about it ... kinda pity but still, don't waste Your keyboards guys. Nothing can bring them back ... welcome to the modern world.
2015-02-06 18:40
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It's clearly nothing to do with betting on the Alsen game, VP, Shahzam (who bet on the ibp throw knowing they're gonna throw) etc. would've gotten banned aswell in that case.
2015-02-06 18:41
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#157
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Spain fd`
more vacations... :D
2015-02-06 18:40
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#160
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Europe VACAirlines
innocent.
2015-02-06 18:40
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#169
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Sweden betongen
#freekoockly
2015-02-06 18:42
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#170
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Poland realfedde
Valve fault, they add stupid skins.
2015-02-06 18:42
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2 replies
#185
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Senzu | 
Poland Z0h4n01
don't be retarded dude..
2015-02-06 18:46
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1 reply
#189
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Poland realfedde
POLSKA KURWY
2015-02-06 18:47
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#172
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World nijowow
valve was investigating like 2 weeks in epsilon case, ESC Ban was pretty like a RKO... OUTTA NOWHERE... in addition i have to say.. i lost my house and wife on csgolounge lol
2015-02-06 18:43
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#176
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United States JUICY-
People are hating on valve but these guys have no one to blame but themselves, yet again. They bet on a match they knew was fixed, doesn't matter if it's $15 or $1500, you committed fraud on your steam account and valve will ban you for that. Don't quit school or your job for cs.
2015-02-06 18:44
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#182
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Poland sz0u
What about shahzam ?
2015-02-06 18:45
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2 replies
#206
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United States JUICY-
I agree 100% shahzam should be banned too. I think the only reason he isn't is because he spilled the beans and gave valve info they wouldn't have gotten otherwise.
2015-02-06 18:49
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#537
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Germany OverTime!
Dboorn's text would have gotten them caught anyways.
2015-02-07 04:10
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#191
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Austria Paullitsch
If valve rly check chatlogs, they should proof, if the other players know it. And if the talked in reallife to each other, they can't proof and should'nt be banned. Maybe Valve ban players, cause they don't want to host Majors anymore :b Kappa
2015-02-06 18:48
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#213
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United States JUICY-
I seriously doubt valve would ban based on chat logs alone. I'm sure they just looked at their cs go lounge history and inventory changes. If ESC is really innocent, they should all post their betting history around that time and prove it.
2015-02-06 18:51
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#250
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Austria Paullitsch
Why shouldn't they just luckily bet on this game ffs.
2015-02-06 19:02
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#308
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World jestmi
Well... that's a nice quote "...I asked CSGOLongue admin to show us some proof about match-fixing and said that they really have no idea what this is about, that we are clean." OFC if he said the truth... and I actually think he did. ._.
2015-02-06 19:21
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#336
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United States JUICY-
Then he should show proof that he didn't bet on the match. Just because he said a cs go lounge admin told him that doesn't make it true. Valve investigated and banned them, the burden is on the players to prove it's not true, instead of just a statement with no proof
2015-02-06 19:39
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#177
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Malta fixmatchy0
REKT NOOBS
2015-02-06 18:45
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#183
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Austria Paullitsch
RIP, i'll miss you guys :(
2015-02-06 18:46
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#195
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United Kingdom the.xx
fuck you esc you have done well for InShock becoming 2nd top polish team Loord welcome
2015-02-06 18:48
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#203
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United Kingdom pauLo-
If it's true valve were checking chat logs, I'm not sure how I feel about this.
2015-02-06 18:49
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#205
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United Kingdom emilyheskey
now csgolounge really is killing csgo :D
2015-02-06 18:49
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#207
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Belgium v1ncNtt
Then you should also ban Virtus Pro..
2015-02-06 18:49
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#214
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Iraq BOMBERMAN1
"It is a really big hit for us as a team and personal, we are extremely sad and dont know what to do with our lives as we all quit schools and jobs after having this magnificent chance to grow up and focus on CS few days ago" You must be some kind of retard to do this for CS =)))
2015-02-06 18:51
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#243
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Poland enterq18
yea because in normal job you can get more salary then 250,00$ + from organisations monthly salary
2015-02-06 19:00
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#261
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Faroe Islands trousersy
You work in market, he works as gamer. It's their job, they get money for playing this game. I don't know why they are retarded?
2015-02-06 19:05
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#427
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Iceland qbZRD
Not really, they can come back to school at any time. They can also find new job :]
2015-02-06 21:08
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#215
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Poland Unknown93
Lol, soon you will be able to watch only teams from Africa :D
2015-02-06 18:51
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Innocent is innocent Happy is happy Simple is simple
2015-02-06 18:51
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#223
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Europe  Skaarj
Just Shox is shocked o_O
2015-02-06 18:53
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#218
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World MatthewCarry
Many lies in this words. He talks against his own word...
2015-02-06 18:52
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#219
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Europe  Skaarj
Im affraid that decision is final... blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/unnece..
2015-02-06 18:52
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#221
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Denmark t0bs - <3 devvek1ng
Innocent Kappa
2015-02-06 18:53
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I asked CSGOLongue admin to show us some proof about match-fixing and said that they really have no idea what this is about, that we are clean.
2015-02-06 18:53
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#224
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Norway SlimeThug
I believe you
2015-02-06 18:54
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#227
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Sweden robiinxd
Yet another proof that Valve is lacking professionalism, they have no fucking clue what they are doing. Idiots.
2015-02-06 18:55
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#230
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Poland ZaxX91
volvo ghghghghghhghghg
2015-02-06 18:55
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#231
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Slovakia Dragon[E5]
showing proofs = giving hints to other teams about what to avoid if you want to throw a match. it may be cruel for some people, but I can definitely see the logic behind this.
2015-02-06 18:56
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5 replies
Please tell me you're fucking joking
2015-02-06 18:57
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#234
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Poland enterq18
ok then i give you vac banned and i dont give proofs because some one other can dodge my "founding" method you deal with this ?
2015-02-06 18:58
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3 replies
#249
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Slovakia Dragon[E5]
you don't give me "vac banned", valve does. and since I wasn't involved in anything that would put me in the risk of getting banned, I don't have to think how would I deal with it. valve has the final word in this and sadly, it's something we have to respect since they fund this game. and they couldn't care less if someone deals with it or not.
2015-02-06 19:02
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#259
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Slovenia eTheBlack
Um, us gamers fund this game, Valve develops it.
2015-02-06 19:04
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1 reply
#262
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Slovakia Dragon[E5]
um, that's why some players are banned from "valve-sponsored events". and thanks to those players "us gamers" are sponsoring their inventories.
2015-02-06 19:06
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#237
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Sweden Failiture
If valve are banning players without even showing them the evidence, then valve should get banned. That is just riddiciolus and stupid.
2015-02-06 18:59
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#238
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United States Trailune
I stopped reading after they said "only 2 of their players went for big bets.." It may have not been a throw, but sounds to me like they knew what they were doing. Good for you volvo.
2015-02-06 18:59
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#240
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Poland kashtan
#FreeexESC !!!!!!!
2015-02-06 18:59
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#241
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Sweden H4mm4r3
"Only reason might be ALSEN drama, but its not correct because we are all banned, and only 2 of our players went for big bet there" So throwing and betting on other team is allowed if you don't place a big bet?
2015-02-06 19:00
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#244
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Denmark mallement
It seem Valve is banning players and teams left and right these days, and rarely writes a official statement along with the bans. Also that Valve have access to chat logs and can check them is quiet alarming. All depending what the chat logs say, I think that chatlogs is lesser credible source of information, since its a chat and well we all know the internet. There should be solid proof before a ban can be issued, the benefit of doubt should be in favor of the accused in these cases. Even their own Overwatch system encourages that.
2015-02-06 19:01
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#264
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Russia razortw
Valve is a boss.
2015-02-06 19:08
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4 replies
#277
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Denmark mallement
THE boss
2015-02-06 19:10
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3 replies
#280
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Russia razortw
Totally. Like it or not.
2015-02-06 19:11
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2 replies
#286
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Denmark mallement
I just think the lack of proof and statements from valve in general is frustrating. If they can solidify their actions with documentation I wouldn't mind, its just that they do not.
2015-02-06 19:13
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#302
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Russia razortw
They never do. They have their reasons for sure, but they will never reveal the technique of investigation.
2015-02-06 19:17
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#247
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Europe ezk001
ofc he is innocent...
2015-02-06 19:01
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#251
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Portugal Vulcano
ex MyRevenge????????
2015-02-06 19:03
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#257
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Poland Redrumowy
so ban everyone who bet on Alsen, why only ESC?
2015-02-06 19:04
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#258
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Dosia | 
Russia cann0n
now i understood ... why ESC were bad sometimes ... lost on them like > 300 $ totally
2015-02-06 19:04
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#266
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Poland Redrumowy
they didn't throw, it was Alsen game
2015-02-06 19:08
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#265
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Slovakia Ch1ppy
well if that retarded skins are not in that game this wouldnt happenend
2015-02-06 19:08
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#295
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World porter-
you know there are sites where you can bet real money?
2015-02-06 19:15
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1 reply
#311
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Slovakia Ch1ppy
so no skins no bets :) and u have clear game ..
2015-02-06 19:23
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#269
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Faroe Islands trousersy
"However, there is proof that players from other teams in EPS Poland knew about the situation and didn't report it to the admins, but instead used it to their advantage to bet. Some of them are ESC's Karol "rallen" Rodowicz who put the maximum value and won over $1,000 worth of items, his teammate Miko&#322;aj "mouz" Karolewski with this bet and Norbert "Norbiak" Bagi&#324;ski from AMNESIA with another max bet from an alternate account." It's news from October 2014. For me it's obvious situation. BAN RALLEN AND MOUZ(sorry bro), not innocent, szpero and minise...
2015-02-06 19:08
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#273
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Europe  Skaarj
This.
2015-02-06 19:09
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#270
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Canada rumthin
stop playing dumb and apologize.
2015-02-06 19:09
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#288
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Poland enterq18
yea ! exacly ! you should be vac banned !
2015-02-06 19:13
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#272
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AdreN | 
Kazakhstan Aiomie
We demand full investigation report Valve!
2015-02-06 19:09
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#278
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Australia ethicsw0w
[*]
2015-02-06 19:10
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#279
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NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel
ofc Volvo not providing any proof, gr8
2015-02-06 19:10
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#281
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Poland redweiler
XD
2015-02-06 19:11
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#282
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Russia razortw
They were a promising team. Sad.
2015-02-06 19:12
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#285
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Poland Brajt
I do not understand why SCREAM has not been banned. Do not put skins, but played in the throwed game!!! Minise and Szpero also did not put up skins, and they did not play in the throwed game, and got banned because of they teammates. #BANSCREAM
2015-02-06 19:12
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#291
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World porter-
from volvo: Professional players, teams, and anyone involved in the production of CS:GO events, should under no circumstances gamble on CS:GO matches, associate with high volume CS:GO gamblers, or deliver information to others that might influence their CS:GO bets. Betting using inside information, or even the perception or suspicion thereof, carries a significant risk of damaging your personal brand, your team, your community, and may lead to exclusion from future Valve-sponsored events. so its clear why ESC is banned. they share information about throwing with friends, even that they dont bet. no more question and answers here. but its also To avoid these risks, we recommend that you never bet on any CS:GO game or match. This recommendation applies both to current professional players and anyone who wishes to participate in a Valve-sponsored CS:GO event in the future. which means, that if you want to be a pro player, even in next 5 years, you should stop betting right now. its hilarious, i have no idea if i became pro in next year, and by this i should stop betting? this could kill CSGL
2015-02-06 19:14
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#310
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North America borisNIP
you morpn those rules are a few hoursnold. sharing info was allowed before
2015-02-06 19:22
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#293
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World Ume
shady polaks thats a new one
2015-02-06 19:14
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#296
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France Ga5huX
when people are asking us 'will you win?' we always say 'NO, THROWING' because its stupid question and you never know an answer for that. Worst excuse ever :D
2015-02-06 19:15
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well ur dumb
2015-02-06 19:20
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#305
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France Ga5huX
Thanks, you too !
2015-02-06 19:21
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4 replies
#309
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Slovakia Ch1ppy
actually if they asked me that question my answer will be same .
2015-02-06 19:22
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#314
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France Ga5huX
Of course, everyone lies.
2015-02-06 19:25
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2 replies
so dumb, prolly cus french
2015-02-06 19:37
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1 reply
#372
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France Ga5huX
Thanks, you too !
2015-02-06 20:04
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#301
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Sweden INB4
Omg valve needs to stop this bullshit trying to look so justifiable. If they keep banning all the up and coming young teams like this CSGO is going to die. Gamers that like and want to become pro at csgo don't grow on trees, there's only so many people on earth that are trying to become pro. Valve banned them without proof and if Innocent claims that they are innocent then he should be given a trial and jury. This is fucking bullshit by valve just because this is their game? I live in Sweden, it's their land, it's also my land, if I did wrong I am entitled to a jury, they don't just lock me up and throw away the key. Valve stop acting like a dictator and banning people for no reason.
2015-02-06 19:17
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#306
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Syria Block3d
Won't be convinced that they match fixed until Valve actually shows us some proof, I've watched almost all of ESC's games and they always play their hardest, they seem like a bunch of people who wouldn't do such a thing, get your shit together valve, what the fuck is wrong with you
2015-02-06 19:21
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#500
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Poland kRAMERO
+1
2015-02-06 23:51
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#307
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World gamescreator
Seriously wtf volvo I read on a forum post before the match that alsen were going to throw and i bet around 80 cents on eliminacja, so i am banned too? Pls
2015-02-06 19:21
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#461
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phr | 
Poland powerdvl
Yes, ban us all volvo!
2015-02-06 22:18
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"It is a really big hit for us as a team and personal, we are extremely sad and dont know what to do with our lives as we all quit schools and jobs after having this magnificent chance to grow up and focus on CS few days ago." Aww, so sad :-( Well, no it's not.
2015-02-06 19:23
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#316
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Andorra CHICKERS
And flusha still not banned xDDDD <Volvo> sry, sry for insultes
2015-02-06 19:26
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#317
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Portugal scratz
they dont ban the germans and turquish guys?
2015-02-06 19:28
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#484
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Europe patsy
they are still investigating the germans, as far as i understood
2015-02-06 23:12
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1 reply
#531
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal scratz
oh, ok i lost my stuff on that match and alsen, hope they fuck up
2015-02-07 03:34
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#318
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Poland xajon
I hate Valve few more months and its gonna be worse than EA.
2015-02-06 19:29
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#320
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Poland Eqzel
only diamon should have been banned. i believe esc guys are innocent as innocent certainly is.
2015-02-06 19:30
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#321
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Sweden robiinxd
One of the admins is definitely licking some ass. Why remove my comment? Isnt pretty obvious that Valve is lacking professionalism? How they are handling everything is just a joke, VACbans aswell as Bet bans. They have no clue how to be the big boss in this situation, they got no clue how to make this work and this is just the start of killing CS again.
2015-02-06 19:31
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#331
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Sweden Zitron
What they are doing now are great for the scene. Clean it out and make it more professional and make the players understand this is a serious business now you can not just run around and act like kids anymore and not take responsibility for your actions . Before even more money gets involved
2015-02-06 19:36
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#579
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
truth | 
Norway tomzeyRrRRrR
varför får t.ex dream3r och många andra spela majors/quals, och inte du?
2015-02-12 12:10
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#582
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Sweden robiinxd
dream3r får inte spela tack vare mig, vilka andra får spela? :D
2015-02-12 12:54
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#322
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World KERiGEN
Finaly ex-ESC and ex-Alsen ban !
2015-02-06 19:31
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#323
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Sweden Zitron
Choose your words better. If you say without any proofs it means that proofs exist they just not found it or presented it yet.
2015-02-06 19:32
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#324
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France JPK_
Im sure if volvo would be fair, they could easily find 10 more pro teams to ban.
2015-02-06 19:32
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#326
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World PlogBenny
Stop pointing out valve as the problem. Pro players betting is the issue here and they are breaking rules and getting punished. Valve has to come down hard on this now or we are doomed. We already have the issue with cheats causing ppl to question every move by players. Add matchfixing to this and nobody will want to watch pro cs soon.
2015-02-06 19:34
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#349
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Sweden dellx
did you read his statement? if what he's saying is true, valve had very poor reasons to issue bans. that's not justice, that's just carelessness
2015-02-06 19:46
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#329
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Poland Ayer.
ESC :'(
2015-02-06 19:36
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#334
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
France SPENCERRR
Well you should have thought twice before quiting school and your jobs to play a game you're not even top5 at...
2015-02-06 19:37
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3 replies
#342
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Poland xajon
If you want to be top5 you need to drop school and jobs first.
2015-02-06 19:44
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#343
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Turkey sharnV
how can be top5 if they play CS:GO like a hobby. but you're right too. I would rather poison myself to dealing with volvo.
2015-02-06 19:44
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#350
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Denmark k0nor
Lets think about football. You quit school to play at the professional scene. You earn money, you're having sucess but in a 2nd division team. It's the same. You can live with it.
2015-02-06 19:46
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#341
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Poland YouBreak
Valve, start doing something usefullinstead of ban innocent people. fags
2015-02-06 19:44
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#344
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Sweden dellx
valve seriously used chatlogs to end players careers? lets hope not
2015-02-06 19:45
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#351
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North America oldshoe
they were busted cold, grasp at those straws harder. chatlogs lol what a crock of shit. can't honestly believe anyone is buying this nonsensical save-face attempt. good riddance to these chucklefucks, if you throw matches take your valve ban like a fucking man. pussies.
2015-02-06 19:49
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#352
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Poland venrav
hmm... what now? ;o
2015-02-06 19:48
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#353
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Poland hubertmilion
valve idiots !!! BAN FLUSHA FOR CHEATS FUCKING IDIOTS
2015-02-06 19:50
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#355
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Andorra CHICKERS
They won't. He won a lot of majors and it would the biggest failure to ban the cheater now :–)))
2015-02-06 19:52
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#360
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World Ume
yeah lets ban flusha without any proof good idea. Poland logic at its finest.
2015-02-06 19:55
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#375
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Andorra CHICKERS
Yes, there is no proof. Go back to your cave. You, Silvers, don't even remember times, when Valve used to ban player by watching their demos. Now you see a player with his crosshair insta skipping at people models through a smoke and cannot do nothing, because there coders smarter than Valve's coders...
2015-02-06 20:07
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#379
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World Ume
"insta skipping at people models" keep looking at your crappy flusha gifs lol.
2015-02-06 20:11
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2 replies
#382
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Andorra CHICKERS
I told you how it looks and you deny facts.
2015-02-06 20:13
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#512
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Poland venomstw
Man, try not to answer to him. As you can see he's an idiot.
2015-02-07 00:24
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#462
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Sweden blezzBiceps
You're da silver here brah...
2015-02-06 22:20
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#431
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Poland aewer
2015-02-06 21:13
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#359
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Ume
since steam got zero communication about this ex-ESC players can probably tell us lie after lie... fucking matchfixers.
2015-02-06 19:55
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#361
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jackasmo | 
Russia *Tpo-_-JI.b*
Im just hoping n0thing is going to happen to VP players now as some of their players were caught with proof provided by CS:GO lounge betting vs LDLC where pasha made big bucks cause VP knew the outcome of the match before hand or something like that happened... too lazy to find the news on here, but its there..... shhhh....
2015-02-06 19:56
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#364
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hampus | 
Sweden Exxet
but the csgl stopped the match because of that :p but technically its a betting scandal and they should be banned but that wont happen same with Shazam etc.
2015-02-06 20:01
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I want ESC to be innocent, doubt it tho.
2015-02-06 19:59
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#365
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Belgium oozniot
If they are really banned because of their bet on ALSEN's game I guess Valve are not aware or close to know in what they engaged themselves.
2015-02-06 20:01
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Stupid liar. Accept the ban, you should see yourself as lucky.. For not having to payback the throw.
2015-02-06 20:02
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Honestly it doesnt make sense to ban innocent, szpero and minise, if only rallen and mouz did get some skins of that questionable match. If they handle it teamwise, why isnt ScreaM banned aswell? I dont see any difference between ScreaM, innocent, szpero and minise. All COULD have known more, but none of these 4 seem to have profited of these matches. But nothing will change because Valve gives a fuck about transparence.
2015-02-06 20:03
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#368
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Zeus | 
Ukraine byGOuSt
valve IS IDIOTS!!! I know it's for sure. Because GAME doesn't matter. MONEY does.
2015-02-06 20:03
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#514
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Germany citb77
No players idiots coz they just care about getting money fron throwing games. And you know nothing for sure.
2015-02-07 00:41
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#373
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Poland nEUTR89
FUCK THEM , THEY WON SKINS BY THROWS SO NOW BANNED. GJ
2015-02-06 20:04
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#374
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Germany citb77
You shall not steal!!!!!! Thank you Lord Gaben. They all deserve this punishment and they know it. Someone should check egaimgbetscom there is probably more to ban.
2015-02-06 20:06
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#376
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Germany trancecsgo
+1+11+1+1+1+1+1=?
2015-02-06 20:10
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1 reply
#384
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Poland Sw3p
00010001 in binary
2015-02-06 20:14
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#378
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Sweden hidenberg
haha inocent
2015-02-06 20:11
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#380
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Poland metal_cs
this is bullshit ESC never throw
2015-02-06 20:11
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#385
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World cap.AndrewSparrow
"but I can assure you, that our team is innocent. More information soon, I hope." - innocent SAYS XD
2015-02-06 20:15
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#386
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Brazil 4venger
They have their reasons for sure, but they will never reveal the technique of investigation.
2015-02-06 20:16
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#391
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sergej | 
Finland Lesenius
ridiculous.. ofcourse he is guilty.. whining to hltv.. hahah what a idiot..
2015-02-06 20:21
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#392
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Belgium Kakthusemanjen
So many mad polaks in this post haha, reading hltv comments always is a good time.
2015-02-06 20:22
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Hm... I thought WinneR would be the first to whine, although innocent's statement doesn't really come off as whining. Considering how ban-happy Valve seem to be getting, I think it's best to wait for definitive proof to come out against ESC before taking a side.
2015-02-06 20:27
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#394
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Ukraine XBOCT<3
ok now innocent can finally move to dota 2.
2015-02-06 20:30
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#397
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Poland endron
What is the point of the whole thing? The only thing we can speculate about is rallen and mouz supposed betting on alsen's game which wasn't even ESC's match. It isn't even comparable to iBuyPower's or Epsilon's throw. How come this supposed betting took place before Dreamhack Winter on which ESC was allowed to play? And why they are banned for a whole year? This whole affair is beyond me..
2015-02-06 20:36
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#398
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Faroe Islands trousersy
So if only mouz and rallen bet on fixed game I don't know why minise, szpero and innocent were banned. Following this kind of thinking volvo als should ban ScreaM cause his teammates has threw the match lol
2015-02-06 20:38
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#399
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Slovenia tom-182
just close beting on csgo matches and no one will throw game again
2015-02-06 20:38
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#400
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Korea Docrom
every polak should be banned from online games tho. wp
2015-02-06 20:38
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#405
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Europe VACAirlines
where is your white flag, tard?
2015-02-06 20:46
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#442
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Poland Betteringer
KQLY shut up... not every "polish guy" is shit, we've got kids like in france and every other country...but next to these kids u have rly good players...ESC is fair team, fair guys, don't believe volvo.
2015-02-06 21:23
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#446
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Europe VACAirlines
I hope your comment was meant for that french guy, not me.
2015-02-06 21:26
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#402
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France Walrathan
Haha I love this entire thread, I've never seen so many salty poles at once :D
2015-02-06 20:41
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#403
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Denmark partydodger
Thats why I am not respecting Valve as a company. The STEAM platform itself is a super good, but the way they manage this game is hilarious. Doing all the time something without any reasons, what is in my opinion very disrespectful toward the players. Valve should learn from Riot Games how to act profesionally. Moreover, it made me a bit giggle and from the other hand when I read that polish guys quit their jobs, schools made me sad. I think it wasn't worth it, even if you could make it top 3, but is my personal opinion. Hope it will be okay soon for you.
2015-02-06 20:45
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#407
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North Macedonia Busilica
Volvo bans innocent guy, fuck volvo
2015-02-06 20:48
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#410
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Poland Purple_$wag
That's funny...
2015-02-06 20:50
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#411
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United States alterbyme
Shouldn't they be banned from ESEA as well?
2015-02-06 20:52
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#412
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France Busy P
COME ON GUYS HE'S LITERALLY INNOCENT AM I RITE FOLKS?
2015-02-06 20:53
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#422
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Poland Tomassi
I rather would belive Valve on this matter then some guy who doesnt knew what to do with his live because cs career is over.
2015-02-06 21:03
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#426
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Sweden theLimpo
If ex-ESC got the same ban as the guys that actually did lost on purpose... that is so unfair. Maybe a ban from this qualifier, but not a long time ban! Answers pls!
2015-02-06 21:08
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#429
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Norway Flick
2015-02-06 21:09
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#435
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United States postwarscars
I'm more disturbed that Valve is reading all my messages about my gay sex porn collection...
2015-02-06 21:18
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Lift the ban! The man said hes innocent, give me a hallelujah third time oh blessed lord!
2015-02-06 21:19
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#437
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Poland Betteringer
volvo shit ! ESC is fair team, fair guys ! volvo show the proof.
2015-02-06 21:19
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#438
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shox | 
United Kingdom dezmondo
sad
2015-02-06 21:19
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#439
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Poland asgro
Volvo pls stop this fck mistakes or ban me for this comment :/ (this world is weak) Volvo this is racism ,u cant punish ex alsen then u punish ex esc :/ (i w8 for punish vp for nithing:/)
2015-02-06 21:21
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#441
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Romania k1dus1ck
VALVE = SHEET ! This team never trow games, but ok...fucking valve! I like to see this team play because is a good team and i like this team style of play...
2015-02-06 21:21
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#443
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Canada RedProtocol
Valve is fucking shit. I hope some other company buys the rights to CS from them
2015-02-06 21:23
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#445
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Poland Betteringer
This is not belarus that condemns people without evidence.
2015-02-06 21:24
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#448
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Poland franz1906
kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Valve-Eye.jpg
2015-02-06 21:28
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#450
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Poland DeV oYo
lol I just can't understand how such a big company can ban someone without showing a proof before. I wonder how it would look in a court, "man you're guilty, we've got no proof but who gives a single fu<k" Or "yeah man I know your brother was a murderer but as I mentioned you're his brother so you're guilty as well" P.S. I'm not saying that they aren't guilty ;) But we don't know it yet.
2015-02-06 21:39
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#451
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World _aRRLOL
"we are extremely sad and dont know what to do with our lives as we all quit schools and jobs" made me LOL
2015-02-06 21:43
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#453
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Hungary Reedim
""Banned without any proof," says ex-ESC's innocent" i guess you could say... ...he'll be ex-ESC's guilty from now on
2015-02-06 21:57
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#455
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Netherlands razzeh
Just remove, this fucking skins from the game, problem solved. Oh wait, valve makes more money with this skins, than the game itself G_G
2015-02-06 22:04
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#459
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Norway Eek!
valve are going mad with power MAD
2015-02-06 22:15
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#463
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United Kingdom butchR
Well deserved, everyone could see they threw matches.. scuuums!
2015-02-06 22:20
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#464
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Czech Republic JOHHNATHANE
VP BAN INC :)
2015-02-06 22:21
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#532
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Poland enterq18
Czech team BAN INC :) oh wait...
2015-02-07 03:36
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#570
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Czech Republic JOHHNATHANE
umad ? pl scene is dead now too :D
2015-02-07 14:12
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"Only reason might be ALSEN drama" lol
2015-02-06 22:22
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#467
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United States prodigyyy
pretty soon no one will be attending majors.
2015-02-06 22:24
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#478
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Poland shuuu
if they are so corrupted, they shouldn't.
2015-02-06 22:55
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#469
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Finland Habanos
I think it's utterly disgusting that valve can check some chat logs that dates months back, that's a fucking serious infringement of privacy. edit Though I think this is just speculation by innocent
2015-02-06 22:29
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#470
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Poland Kubosz
#FreeexESC
2015-02-06 22:30
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#471
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Sweden Searoth
Why would Valve ban someone without "proof" I really hope Valve doesnt fuck dis up lol
2015-02-06 22:32
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#473
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United States triq6
knew about a throw and didnt report it enjoy the ban :)
2015-02-06 22:42
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#474
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Poland shuuu
f**k sake, I'm sick of all those fanboys crying around. if they used info received from the other players about that they are going to throw they game to get anything on it (i.e earn some skins), they are guilty. as innocent said that he bet even before they knew that alsen is going to throw, he could do 2 things: 1- report it to CSGL and say that he needs to cancel his bet, either way he may be accused for participating in match-fixing 2- change f***ing bet to the other team and lose some skins, but get out from the situation clean and later take away all accusations of him being the match-fixer. on the other hand, if that's true what innocent wrote, minise and szpero shouldn't be banned at all and valve has bunch of f***ing brainwashed people working there, who can't check everything properly and should lose their jobs instantly. in consideration: szpero = unbanned (if it's true what innocent stated) minise = unbanned (as above) innocent = ban is justified mouz = ban is justified rallen = ban is justified also in case any of them is reading it: you are f***ing monkeys that you knew such s**t is going on and you didn't report it. even with match volgair vs myrevenge, which about rallen had infoes, he didn't report it anywhere but posted it on f***ing facebook. how the f**k you guys want to not be accused for match fixing if you apparently 'know a guy or two', who handle such information? shame on you.
2015-02-06 22:49
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theres a difference between betting for fun or betting to make maximum money. if innocent only bets $15, he shouldnt be banned. its for obvious reasons not moneybet. if messi puts 1€ on tipico against his own team in a league match, he wouldnt be banned from all of football. ofc u have to evaluate the motives behind every single bet and cant handle all the same way, IT DOES MATTER if u bet $15 or u bet $240 with various accounts. it would be like the court sanction every defendant the same way without checking the motives behind each case.
2015-02-06 23:27
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#492
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Poland shuuu
umm right, but there's 1 difference between normal sport and cs go betting: "Professional players, teams, and anyone involved in the production of CS:GO events, should under no circumstances gamble on CS:GO matches, associate with high volume CS:GO gamblers, or deliver information to others that might influence their CS:GO bets. To clarify – as a professional player, team manager or event production staff, it is common to have personal relationships and/or privileged information about other teams and players. Because of this, we will always assume that you have access to private CS:GO-related “inside information” that might give you an unfair advantage when placing a bet on any CS:GO game or match." Simply because of that you have to assume that 90% you will end up charged guilty. And, by "under no circumstances" i understand that volume of your bets doesn't really matter, but I may be wrong.
2015-02-06 23:33
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#551
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Reunion art expert
But that rule was made after this happened. Enforcing a rule they didn't exist at the time is wrong
2015-02-07 10:37
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#554
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Poland shuuu
no, betting using inside informations is wrong. even tho enforcing law backward is something terrible, I still think those bans are justified. using inside information = cheating (not the classic way of cheating, but still). cheating = ban.
2015-02-07 11:15
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#569
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Reunion art expert
you know that guardian gives out inside info to big betters/traders? steam could read chat history and find out...
2015-02-07 14:06
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#574
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Poland shuuu
so most of the players does. it's why nobody yet got punished for being associated (i.e being friends or so) with high volume gamblers, also I see shitstorm of those incoming soon too.
2015-02-07 17:50
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#521
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Faroe Islands trousersy
innocent had put bet before it came out that this game is fixed
2015-02-07 01:57
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#553
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Poland shuuu
imho doesn't matter, he could write to csgl support that he needs his bet to be cancelled or moved to another match, whatever. since he didn't, he had to accept with the s**tstorm that was coming
2015-02-07 11:11
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#540
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North America borisNIP
it was allowed so fuck u onion
2015-02-07 05:17
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#480
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shox | 
Nigeria moonman33
Valve being retarded now, banned players who weren't even apart of the throw, but just profiting off of it?
2015-02-06 23:05
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#483
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Poland shuuu
let's say, your friend tells you that he will rob some store with electronic stuff (i.e fix the match), either if you will go to the police (i.e report it somewhere), or leave it alone (i.e do nothing), you won't be guilty. once you will go there after him to take some new TV to your apartment (i.e bet skins to make profit) you are guilty. capiche?
2015-02-06 23:12
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#485
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shox | 
Nigeria moonman33
Robbing a store and fixing a match are 2 different things, try using a sports analogy instead. Your buddy has a hockey game, he tells u hes going to lose on purpose, so you should bet against him, so you do, and you win. Why should you be banned for someone else fixing? Were you going to bet on the other team knowing your friend was going to lose? Both answers are obvious, either they win a bet, or they win nothing/lose nothing
2015-02-06 23:14
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#486
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Poland shuuu
you can't be banned from betting, but you can be sued and most likely end up in jail? if somebody tells you that he's going to throw on purpose and you should bet against him, AND YOU DO THAT, you use some informations to have an advantage over other people who also gamble and yes, that's a crime. once you listen to this guy and do that you become part of the conspiracy (idc how does it sound) and you are also guilty.
2015-02-06 23:18
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#526
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shox | 
Nigeria moonman33
It isn't a crime for having knowledge, the only point in time where it IS a crime is if you are the one who influenced the fixing, for example, if you TOLD your friend to throw the match, that's a crime, it isn't a crime for knowing of a fixed match..
2015-02-07 03:13
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#556
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Poland shuuu
Dude, if you are betting with inside info then obviously you are violating the law. If you still wanna defend them and say it is okay then you are either dumb or your moral compass is so fucked up that you couldn't even find a parking spot.
2015-02-07 11:20
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Nah, theres no excuse for trying to make a profit from a situation thats clearly wrong. If you know that throwing a match is wrong (and thats an obvious statement), you shouldnt try to take advantage of it.
2015-02-07 03:06
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#541
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North America borisNIP
not even that
2015-02-07 05:17
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Oh KURWA [*]
2015-02-06 23:10
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#489
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United Kingdom butchR
People need to understand that these happenings are not csgolounges fault at all. Gambling is present on many levels in competition all around the world and always will be because people like to take risks and they like to win. Noone can argue that the throwers, cheaters, scammers are the ones that make gambling toxic, and they should be punished for it. Simple as that...
2015-02-06 23:30
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#491
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Germany sYcore
innocent: "hello, I'm innocent!" VALVe: "you are but you're not"
2015-02-06 23:31
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#493
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Poland shuuu
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA NICE ONE! not.
2015-02-06 23:35
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#496
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World Kraftwerk
Valve gets greedy and wants more matches their way! Very nice!
2015-02-06 23:49
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#510
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United States joebagz
omg yes you're surely 100% innocent, valve banned you for no reason at all. what a terrible misunderstanding.... what a fucking joke. most pathetic statement i've ever read. later nerds.
2015-02-07 00:17
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#520
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Faroe Islands trousersy
Stop acting like a tard or sth. Mouz and rallen bet on game which was fixed and they should be banned, not innocent, shpero and minise.
2015-02-07 01:54
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#576
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United States joebagz
why are they banned then if they weren't involved? valve just felt like it? you make no sense.
2015-02-07 19:46
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#545
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World borisNIPb
yeah, broly is not banned for a reason, gratz volvo. what about a few hours VAc bans? also just for lolz? u r a fucing moron
2015-02-07 09:03
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#577
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United States joebagz
wise words of "borisNIPb" aka braindead 12 year old fanboy
2015-02-07 20:16
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#580
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Poland xudi
Booom unban and what now who look like a retard ??
2015-02-12 12:33
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#517
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Canada ujellybro
innocent is innocent? wtf valve? Where the fuck is the proof valve..
2015-02-07 01:15
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#518
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Cxzi | 
United States twinkiefactory
I did like ESC and I'm sad this happened ;(
2015-02-07 01:21
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#522
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Germany citb77
PLUS when we found about about matchfixing couple of days ago I instantly reported this to csgolongue to be fair and make the game better. what was that, we innocent coz we found out that we fixed some games lol
2015-02-07 02:07
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#535
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Poland Osatorr1990
So the pillows last info that I was able to gather after all these posts and comments. ------------------------------------------------ 99% are sure that it is not about the action associated with the ex-Alsen, but one of the recent matches ESC that? I'm not sure. Perhaps the point is that there a few days ago (3-4), minis added screen with dedicated and description to him that he wrote a priv account some joker, if they are going to win on this day the match, and Jacek like this always replied sarcastically, "No, we sell because we need the money" and then fucked it with friends, and unfortunately after losing the match, wrote him a thank you again for przyjeb $ 240 value and info from a friend, as Jacek responded "fuck off". ----------------------------------------------- When this whole affair arose, screenshots disappeared, but whether this is really the terms of this situation? Jacek assures us that are still ongoing discussions with the relevant people behind it all, and maybe they are-we are on the way to "win". There is nothing else, and keep our fingers crossed for the stars and hope for a positive turn of events and punishment for the one who sent in fake info to Valve. ----------------------------------------------- Well, that would be enough for this litany terribly sorry and I wish you pleasant dreams This is not my post
2015-02-07 03:52
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#546
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World hehq
SZPERO SAID: "VALVE investigating our case again"
2015-02-07 09:07
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#552
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Denmark TasteDK
Hope they stay banned! Stupid poles.
2015-02-07 10:40
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#555
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Iraq eracny
stop cryin you poor danish fag
2015-02-07 11:18
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#565
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Denmark TasteDK
Hahaha. Love ya Poland <3
2015-02-07 13:25
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#557
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World Wasdlk
Don't bet against yourself in any sport.
2015-02-07 11:31
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#563
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thinkii | 
Spain ayyayylmao
what about betting in ur favor?
2015-02-07 12:57
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#564
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Estonia ViztA-
nothing wrong with that, done many times before.
2015-02-07 13:09
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#567
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thinkii | 
Spain ayyayylmao
u are not allowed by esea brainless
2015-02-07 13:47
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#568
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World rastuh213
like 1 of ESC player said after one of lastest they`re matches "I fuck your skins" and i think that post did "minis" so now i can say "i fuck your ban" GL HF
2015-02-07 13:56
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#583
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North America KyneS
Kappa
2015-02-12 13:00
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#572
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Poland 01337
:-/
2015-02-07 15:24
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#584
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Israel introwx
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2015-02-12 13:19
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