ESL ESEA day-one wrap-up

With so much happening during day one of ESL ESEA Pro League Season 1 Finals, we decided to write down some thoughts about the action heading into the playoffs.

Who would have thought all of this would go down in Cologne today? Easy question - no one. There's not a single person in the world who could have predicted this black swan of a day.

Following Virtus.pro's easy win over Luminosity, few expected a major upset to take place - let alone three of them. Or the top two team in the world TSM being sent packing in 7-8th place.

In no particular order, let's take a closer look at some of the events of day one at ESL ESEA Pro League Season 1 Finals in Cologne, Germany.


First day of competition for this trophy, and $100,000, is behind us 


The Americas's awakening

After Luminosity got thrashed by the Poles, Cloud9 stepped in and took down EnVyUs - despite starting the halves down 0-6 and 0-5, respectively - and scored the first upset of the day. It wasn't expected, but it was the likeliest upset of the day, and Tyler "⁠Skadoodle⁠" Latham's team had played EnVy close last week. Plus, EnVy has struggled in their first games of the day. This one made sense on some level.

Then things got weird. As fnatic took the stage, they jumped on a quick 6-1 lead as counter-terrorists on de_mirage against CLG, a clearly - over the long haul, as we compare performances - inferior side, who had lost three games to the Black and Orange squad on that very same map. Fourth one would turn out different, as James "⁠hazed⁠" Cobb's performance led CLG to an unlikely 16-12 upset.

As if that weren't enough, Keyd Stars then went on to take down TSM on de_inferno, starting on the terrorist side. Heavy favorites finished 1-3 in the opening round, and what's more, the underdogs who prevailed were all from across the pond. Keyd from the South, and both Cloud9 and CLG mixtures of American and Canadian players.

With the Cloud9 core having struggled mightily since last year's ESL One Cologne where they upset Titan and dignitas, and took NiP to their limit, and iBUYPOWER getting banned in January for match fixing, it had seemingly been forever since North American fans had reason to celebrate, but today the flood gates opened with those wins.

Cloud9 may still - and in fact, are favored to do so, as shown in our statistical preview - drop out in the group stage, as they face EnVyUs tomorrow in a decisive best-of-three series - a much harder task than the best-of-one today. However, CLG are already through to the semi-finals, having defeated Keyd Stars 16-9 on de_cache with Stephen "⁠reltuC⁠" Cutler leading the second half effort.

CLG's win is the continent's most impressive result since Cloud9's ultimately meaningless one map victory over NiP in Aspen back in January. They're likely going to face EnVy on Saturday, and aren't likely to see the grand final - but this is great progress for the continent as a whole, and verifies the scene is moving to the right direction on a global scale.


fREAKAZOiD's Cloud9 were the first Americans to celebrate a win 

 

Star performances from the usual suspects, and more

It's doubtful any fan is surprised by the likes of Olof "⁠olofmeister⁠" Kajbjer - currently the world's best player, according to most experts - Vincent "⁠Happy⁠" Schopenhauer, or even Paweł "⁠byali⁠" Bieliński being at the top of the player statistics after one day of action. But despite finishing the day with two losses, the best player so far has been TSM's René "⁠cajunb⁠" Borg.

Other notable performances include Keyd Stars' star Fernando "⁠fer⁠" Alvarenga - who had the highest rating in the past three months of all ESL ESEA Finals participants coming into today - finishing the day with a 1.20 rating and nV's Richard "⁠shox⁠" Papillon winding up with an identical rating, though combined with a weaker K-D difference.

Perhaps more surprisingly we have Filip "⁠NEO⁠" Kubski towards the top with a rating of 1.25, and CLG being led by the play of reltuC, whose three high-impact rounds on the second half of the Keyd Stars game might have been the difference between a Brazilian comeback and an undefeated evening for his team.

The star in CLG's first game, hazed also finished with a rating clearly above his career average at 1.10, while Skadoodle, ever consistent, finished right around his usual 1.10 range while being the best fragger in his team's upset win over Happy's team earlier in the day.

Naturally with each team having played only two maps so far, the sample sizes are small, but as with victories in best-of-one games, it's hard to blame the players doing well within the set of rules and tournament format that is being used. These were today's best performers at the $250,000 Finals event.


hazed put in a strong performance versus fnatic 


TSM eliminated in last place

Consensus among the scene seemed to be that TSM would face fnatic in the grand final, with opinions split somewhere around the middle as to who would be favored in the best-of-five series. Well, safe to say it didn't go exactly as everyone expected, or even remotely close to that.

TSM won the opening pistol round in their match against Brazilian Keyd Stars, but lost to Gabriel "⁠FalleN⁠" Toledo's teams second round buy, and quickly found themselves trailing 1-6 on the significantly easier side of de_inferno. They came back to win seven, but it would not be enough this time.

A mistake by FalleN in a two-on-one allowed TSM to tie the game at twelve, after a comeback as terrorists, but they would not get any closer than that. The Brazilian side won four straight to clinch a 16-12 victory, sending Finn "⁠karrigan⁠" Andersen's Danes to the elimination match.

As fnatic had earlier fallen victim to the North American CLG squad on de_mirage, they wound up having to face TSM in a match that would determine who would continue in the tournament chasing the $100,000 first place check tomorrow, and who would have to bow out in last place.

The final match of the day wound up being everything you would hope for, unless that was a TSM win. The two juggernauts went the full 30 rounds with olofmeister putting up 33 kills, only to be outdone by the Danes' swingman, cajunb's 35 kills.

Each team won their terrorist pistol round, only to lose the second round. Granted fnatic won more force buys later on in the half, but TSM also had their share of unlikely round wins, including a masterful one-on-four by Andreas "⁠Xyp9x⁠" Højsleth, who danced around his opponents with perfect timing in the A site.

In the end, as it perhaps was expected, it came down to the very last round, where - almost fittingly - TSM's star player Nicolai "⁠device⁠" Reedtz, who struggled throughout the match and finished with just 17 kills, was unable to win a round where he was left alone, as fnatic kept their tournament live for another day.


TSM's run in Cologne ended much sooner than expected 


The curious case of best-of-one

With TSM having been bounced early and so many upsets having taken place, it is a good time to take a minute to think about the setup of best-of-one matches. There is a large outcry - for good reason - against them, including by olofmeister who seemed sorry for TSM, but they also perhaps aren't as bad as people make them out to be.

Playing for large sums of money in best-of-one can seem random. Obviously the odds of an underdog scoring an upset win in best-of-three format are significantly lower - it's likely none of today's upsets would have taken place then - but it's no excuse for a loss when only playing a single map. Single map games are no longer as random as they're made to look.

In the old days of limited force buying and pistol rounds all but guaranteeing early leads, it's easy to agree that best-of-ones depended too much upon those hit-or-miss of a rounds. But today the odds of winning a second round forcebuy must be around 1/3, and you can generally get by with cheaper equipment. Losing both pistols isn't a death sentence, as proven by Cloud9 today.

I am the first one to admit I am disappointed TSM won't face fnatic in the grand final, and I definitely agree majors - and for the record, any event with this much money - should be played in best-of-three from start to finish. Especially given how much time ESL has with the teams spending four days in Cologne. However, I still don't agree with blaming best-of-ones for the results.

More often than not, despite people claiming Counter-Strike is random and anyone can win a best-of-one, the better team wins. And when the underdog wins, they probably won because they were better in that specific match. In a sense, playing best-of-one puts more pressure for the top dogs to perform, and removes that safety cushion that otherwise surrounds their every move.

Again, I'd like to emphasize I want best-of-three group stages -- but there are plenty of fans who enjoy the possibility of upsets, and frankly, group stage games are far more interesting this way, even if at the expense of the playoffs. Much like the NFL playoffs for those familiar with the format, you cannot afford to miss any games. It makes for an exciting match.

It can be easy for players to check out mentally in a match when they face a large early deficit, when they know they have more maps to play. If you listened in on fnatic's voice communications today, you'd know their effort wasn't the same versus CLG and TSM. But is that the tournament format's, or fnatic's fault? I say the latter. Would they have won in a must-win game? I say yes.

cajunb took to Twitter following their early elimination in Cologne

What about tomorrow?

ESL ESEA Pro League Season 1 Finals is spread over four days - as outlined in our viewer's guide - which means tomorrow will only see two matches played. Those are the elimination games - played using a best-of-three format, as opposed to today's best-of-one - in each group, set to determine the two teams joining Virtus.pro and CLG in the semi-finals on Saturday.

First match of the day will not be until 16:00 , when Cloud9 is set to lock horns with EnVyUs in a rematch of the day's first upset. Second, fnatic will attempt to clinch a semi-finals spot in a series against Brazilian Keyd Stars - whom they dropped de_mirage against at ClutchCon, only to win 32-5 combined on the two other maps - who face a gargantuan task.

The winner of Cloud9 versus EnVyUs will take on CLG in the semi-finals, while Virtus.pro is awaiting for the winner of the second game between fnatic and Keyd Stars. A loss tomorrow - in 5-6th place - pays $12,500, while a semi-finals spot already doubles it, with significant upwards potential, meaning there is a lot more money in play than at a usual non-Valve event.

With a $100,000 up for grabs, and with the tournament now shifting to a best-of-three mode - until the grand final, which will be played in best-of-five - there's plenty of action coming ahead, even if TSM is no longer involved and it's spread out over three days.


Tomorrow will feature two best-of-three series 

 

Action continues tomorrow at 16:00 with Cloud9 taking on EnVyUs in a match we have previewed here. Second game scheduled for tomorrow is fnatic versus Keyd Stars.

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Poland Filip 'NEO' Kubski
Filip 'NEO' Kubski
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
751
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.65
Denmark René 'cajunb' Borg
René 'cajunb' Borg
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
388
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.64
France Vincent 'Happy' Schopenhauer
Vincent 'Happy' Schopenhauer
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
542
KPR:
0.76
DPR:
0.64
Brazil Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
49
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.65
Denmark Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
388
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.63
France Richard 'shox' Papillon
Richard 'shox' Papillon
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
622
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.65
United States Stephen 'reltuC' Cutler
Stephen 'reltuC' Cutler
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
105
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.64
Poland Paweł 'byali' Bieliński
Paweł 'byali' Bieliński
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
585
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.64
Denmark Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
446
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.70
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United States Tyler 'Skadoodle' Latham
Tyler 'Skadoodle' Latham
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
210
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.60
Brazil Fernando 'fer' Alvarenga
Fernando 'fer' Alvarenga
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
49
KPR:
0.81
DPR:
0.69
Sweden Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.14
Maps played:
456
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.63
Denmark Andreas 'Xyp9x' Højsleth
Andreas 'Xyp9x' Højsleth
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
541
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.62
United States James 'hazed' Cobb
James 'hazed' Cobb
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
100
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.67
#1
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Russia lamp`
nice
2015-07-03 00:17
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Lurpiss is very salty. "Perhaps more surprisingly we have Filip "NEO" Kubski towards the top with a rating of 1.25," How the hell it is a surprise?! Neo had the best L:D at last major so it was expected for him to perform on top level again.
2015-07-03 00:40
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Poland MJP
As well last couple months , Neo is in very good form. So many people was talking about it. Lurpiss , again most of you news , topics etc are wierd and bad. Worst then NA play in EU lan events.
2015-07-03 01:40
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He thinks being better than thorin makes him good but thorin is so low lurpiss is also still low despite being much better than thorin.
2015-07-03 01:53
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Brazil markkrj
Better at what? Writing shit? That's a good fight then!
2015-07-03 05:22
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Poland MJP
;] haha
2015-07-03 06:00
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#100
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Kyrgyzstan rohno
Wtf? Neo has not been in form lately. Haven't you watched the games at all? And also, he plays the hardest possible role for the team, so look things up before posting.
2015-07-03 07:56
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#103
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Poland COA92
omfg, next time turn on your monitor when you'll be watching VP game, plz
2015-07-03 08:17
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#176
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Poland MJP
He is , same on esea esl finals he was best on his team.
2015-07-07 03:23
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#179
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Poland MJP
As i said my frend , Neo was and he is in kinda form , what last news from hltv my help you to understand. Gave a look bro hltv.org/news/15392-esl-esea-pl-s1-final..
2015-07-07 16:24
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Germany stmartiN
thx, as if its any suprise that neo is doin well. hes kinda "back" since a while now, although vp as a team struggled
2015-07-03 12:19
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#177
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Poland MJP
In each league they occupy the top 3 places. Later on lan finals, they are ok. Its not the best form but cant complain to be honest. Im happy with results , and will place VP top 3-4 in world atm. Please feel free to say you opinion.
2015-07-07 03:30
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#178
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Poland MJP
Thats right kinda back - you are right for me 100% in that one ! :]
2015-07-07 03:28
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Argentina Sanhuan
KRIMZ complaining that its jsut too warm to play. gg esl
2015-07-03 00:17
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Belgium ShaGgYY
Yes ESL's fault for the heatwave.
2015-07-03 00:18
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Serbia Svipke
with €78 million they can certainly afford better air conditioning.
2015-07-03 00:24
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maybe he should take off his retarded hat indoors? does he use it for ghosting or what?
2015-07-03 00:41
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#38
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Albania Edgesekatre
or the big company just has to invest in some airconditioning
2015-07-03 00:46
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#40
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Spain hda-karnaza
hahahaha +1. - It's too warm. - I wear wool hat.
2015-07-03 00:48
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United Kingdom lauzkushking
lmao +1
2015-07-03 00:56
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Germany FlyingJesus
+1
2015-07-04 17:48
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#63
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Canada h4z0h2k_c9
No one said krimz was smart
2015-07-03 01:36
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Brazil 1-19
Stop crying lol
2015-07-03 00:52
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Ukraine smw`
you're crying in every thread about the head. krimz wears a freaking winter hat indoors cause he thinks people don't know hes bald.
2015-07-03 01:01
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#127
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Estonia VatusNincere
reltuC is also bald, but he doesn't wear a stupid hat indoors. His baldness makes him look more fabulous.
2015-07-03 10:41
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#153
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Canada WiseGuy
plz dont say fabulous ever again.
2015-07-03 12:32
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#161
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Estonia VatusNincere
fabUlous, faboulous
2015-07-03 14:29
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Portugal mahraka
The event is good :D
2015-07-03 00:17
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Sweden natsu1337
:DDD
2015-07-03 00:17
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Germany rrrr1
rip tsm
2015-07-03 00:18
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World cetinHo - in memory of cyx
bo1 system is just crap, especially in a lanevent with over 250k prizemoney, random deluxe, this is shit for any serious competition, go bo3 if u want to have a serious tournament where the better team advances
2015-07-03 00:18
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#20
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United States Dood
This was literally discussed in the article
2015-07-03 00:26
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CryjunB
2015-07-03 00:33
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World g0dwinwow
Well see what happens to nv today huehuehueh : p
2015-07-03 09:51
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I dont care lol,although itll be good for NA scene if c9 wins,if not then its just another tournament where NA teams won 1 bo3,just like MLG aspen or last to last gfinity,
2015-07-03 10:22
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Sweden Anunnaki
So that means all majors are random deluxe because group stage is best of 1? So random that the same teams consistently make the finals or win the major in these same formats. Or you made an excuse for TSM because they got out played and weren't the better team TODAY thats all that matters nothing else no other excuse matters.
2015-07-03 01:28
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i didnt even talk about fnatic/tsm, lol bo1 in general is shit, same goes for the major. doesnt matter what tournament, bo1 is just to random with which teams starts which side, what map gets picked, momentume and the game is over before u can warm up effectively. bo3 gives way more quality and less randomness to these topmatches, its way better for the players AND for the spectators. ps: "tsm outplayed" losin 14-16, makes sense bro
2015-07-03 01:48
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#113
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Denmark DFTBA
Plus 1
2015-07-03 09:52
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outplayed by keyd :| LOL @ the joke of an excuse you gave , all teams got the same time to warmup, so thats not an excuse. Keep finding new ones,good luck.
2015-07-03 10:23
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same went on in 1.6, bo1 for ages before most tournaments realized, bo3 is the way to go, especially on LANevents wit huge prizemoney. only nostalgic shitevent, for cs at least, was wcg with this shitty bo1 format. its just not up2date, u can play the same "system" and use bo3 and everything would be cool.
2015-07-03 14:27
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Brazil SuMMeR.bR
cajunoob
2015-07-03 00:20
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World Hayashin
ok you guys need to calm down. its a normal reaction directly after that. take dupreeh for an example: no whining, just realistic and shows respect. they know they deserve going home
2015-07-03 02:15
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Poland STRRRRRR
cuz dupreeh was shit and cajun was beast ;) i understand cajun he's trying to carry low team ;x
2015-07-03 03:28
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Sweden DIOdorant
And now, its back to NA getting shat on! Thank God for bo3!
2015-07-03 00:22
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Cloud 9 vs Keyd in final you heard it here first
2015-07-03 01:50
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United States KU KLUX KLAN
TL;DR
2015-07-03 00:22
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Russia Mineta
Guys pls tell me, if tommorow Fnatic and Envy will win, then semis are VP vs Fnatic and CLG vs Envy or it will be draw?
2015-07-03 00:23
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Turkey Markers
Its like you said, no draw.
2015-07-03 00:37
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Russia Mineta
Holy shit :P bad news
2015-07-03 01:04
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United States drewlarK^v
Please proof-read...
2015-07-03 00:23
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United States lurppis
it's very possible there are some typos etc when you write after a long day and it's too late to have anyone take a look at it, but if you point out what you've noticed is wrong, i'll make sure to change it
2015-07-03 00:25
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United States Dood
TSM eliminated in last place Consensus among the scene SEEMD to be
2015-07-03 00:27
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United States Dood
There's another one I noticed, but I can't post it in a reply without getting a "You are blocked from accessing this site" message from Cloudflare...so...
2015-07-03 00:43
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Sweden gnaaRLY
Not that I personally care, but I noticed this one: "...a lot more money in play then at a usual non-Valve event."
2015-07-03 01:06
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United States aBerK
>CLG's win is the continent's most impressive result since Cloud9's ultimately meaningless one map victory over NiP in Aspen back in January. You mean since CLG's ultimately meaningless one map victory over LDLC in Aspen back in January?
2015-07-03 06:56
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Canada drek2
take home the cheque?
2015-07-03 09:39
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Don't you get paid to write these articles? Tired or not, there's simply no excuse for the consistent grammatical errors that are prevalent in almost all your articles. Sometimes you make interesting points, but it may be to your advantage to have someone proofread your articles before posting them. It is never too late to have someone look at them for you - it's the internet after all, plenty of people are either a) up as late as you and willing to help or b) living in a different time zone where it it would be a perfectly reasonable hour for them to correct your numerous mistakes. No offense intended here. Just some thoughts for the future. All things considered, however, keep up the good work.
2015-07-03 15:54
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the amount of money i get paid for my work is negligible. besides, we also don't have people to proofread articles, let alone at 2am on a thursday.
2015-07-03 16:03
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cryjunB?
2015-07-03 00:23
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Turkey sharnV
BO2 group stage BO3 playoffs BO5 grand final. That's all u f*cking need to do ESL and ESEA. U had 1 f*cking job. 1
2015-07-03 00:26
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#30
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Turkey Markers
Fuck BO2. Hate that shit. GSL BO1 makes for intense matches. Fuck overdogs, they just want to guarrentee their win.
2015-07-03 00:36
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United States Sandays
I can't disagree with that, but Bo3s would be nice. Though Bo1s leave no room for error which is good and bad.
2015-07-03 01:53
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you moron, this is gsl to they have like bo3 but with different teams each map. nothing wrong with that. VP was a favorite and they won. Other teams are just low on similar level.
2015-07-03 00:58
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#19
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Pakistan Deemu
Well put in ! Didn't get time to watch the matches but everything is cleared now after such details
2015-07-03 00:26
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Single map games are no longer as random as they're made to look. ^THIS. Out of 7 maps,each team vetoes 3 maps,leaving 1 map at the end. So there is no way that you can complain about the map,the map will definitely be one of your better maps. "despite people claiming Counter-Strike is random and anyone can win a best-of-one, the better team wins. And when the underdog wins, they probably won because they were better in that specific match. In a sense, playing best-of-one puts more pressure for the top dogs to perform, and removes that safety cushion that otherwise surrounds their every move." OMG Lurppis stole my words.
2015-07-03 00:30
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#28
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World Bochita
+1
2015-07-03 00:33
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#45
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World Metamf
+1
2015-07-03 00:54
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#130
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Sweden bamsbm
are you drunk? the map itself isn't random. the opponent is - in this case the NA teams.
2015-07-03 10:55
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#154
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Canada WiseGuy
+999
2015-07-03 12:37
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lurppis is so right on the third point. the format is not the teams fault. they need to be prepped for every match. its 8 teams here. not too much to ask for prepping for every team in ur group and making sure u advance.
2015-07-03 00:29
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#36
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Cyprus JoOoOohNy
lurppis was right about the 3rd point almost 2 years ago! sadly you go out on a major with 2 maps, 2 hrs max playing! feeling sad about luminosity! & TSM
2015-07-03 00:44
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Not major just a big event with big prize pool ;)
2015-07-03 10:03
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#151
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Cyprus JoOoOohNy
same point xD
2015-07-03 12:17
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#24
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United States lnflnlty
still blows my mind that on the 30th round of tsm/fnatic cajunb had no armor while device had awp and full armor. cajunb was in perfect position to deny fnatic's plant but dies from aim punch on cat
2015-07-03 00:29
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#25
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Poland -Furi.
SO whats that show match is going to be anyone knows?
2015-07-03 00:30
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#60
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Finland Nurmis
Pansy playing mm
2015-07-03 01:33
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#26
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World Bochita
I don't like bo1 but when you lose 2 times you have no one to blame but yourself. TSM knew the format of the tournament. They should of been prepared. I also love the taste of Cryjunb tears.
2015-07-03 00:37
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#29
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France Relaxxx33
sad for tsm
2015-07-03 00:35
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#31
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United States BigFatAsses
quit bitching, its not a major, orgs can make their tournaments whatever they want. if you dont like the format then don't play, its as simple as that. i like TSM but its immature and pointless to complain about this.
2015-07-03 00:36
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#37
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Russia Saint1
Tsm are just crying because they didn't bother preparing for the NA teams cuz they expected them to be shit
2015-07-03 00:45
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#61
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Sweden Anunnaki
They didn't even play a fucking NA team you srs bruh? They played KeyD and Fnatic two teams that are more than capable of beating them and DID.
2015-07-03 01:34
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#72
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Russia Saint1
Keyd counts as NA
2015-07-03 01:56
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#97
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United States Conway
Keyd play, practice, and live in NA. Tell me how they are not representing NA
2015-07-03 07:16
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#145
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United States CSGangster
lol, to me they rep Brazil because thats where they origin from. You know as it alwasy been. ex if there is 3 swedes and 2 americans in one team it will be a swedish team due to the majority. But we. Thats how I look at it.
2015-07-03 11:53
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#148
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World rejaa
They are brazilian. Your roots do not change when you move somewhere else. They only moved because the conditions to practice are better in NA, this doesn't make them represent NA.
2015-07-03 11:59
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#164
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United States lurppis
yet if cloud9 moved to europe, every (sensible) north american would still say they are representing north america
2015-07-03 15:02
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#39
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Finland jayss
Xyp9x is the real mvp for putting the blame on themselves instead of the format.
2015-07-03 00:46
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#41
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Ksharp | 
United States r3gulator
Dont cry TSM. NA teams lose and dont bitch on social media. Act a little more professional. Act like adults. Not whiny children who got their warcraft accounts taken away.
2015-07-03 00:48
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#42
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World devi0
elimination matches bo3 is fair imo.. so todays loser vs loser game should've been bo3. no way TSM would drop then.
2015-07-03 00:49
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#43
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Denmark Wolfztar
TSM should have been prepared from the start - no excuse. With more maps being played it eliminates the possibility of teams preparing for specific maps. CLG said that they prepared specifically for Mirage against fnatic, since they lost so decisively in their previous meetings on that map. Kudos to CLG for mindgaming fnatic, but that is precisely why I do not like bo1, especially with this much cash involved. With that said it is great to see American teams come prepared. With this many casters/analysts and days of competition, they could fit in bo3 by using two streams. It is understandable that the organizers want the viewers to be able to watch all the matches, but we pick and choose as we like, just as with any other sport.
2015-07-03 00:51
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#98
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World FreshKolibri
twitter.com/TSMkarrigan/status/615467453.. twitter.com/TSMkarrigan/status/616149427.. They couldn't prepare because of device and xyp9x were graduating. So that isn't a excuse ?
2015-07-03 07:29
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#156
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Denmark Wolfztar
Lets agree its an excuse, but I still do not think its good enough. I cheer for TSM, mind you.
2015-07-03 13:03
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#46
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Europe R4as0n
This crap with ghosting (commentators too loud and flash trick abuse) is going out of hands. When every round matters this is unacceptable.
2015-07-03 00:54
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#47
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Ksharp | 
United States r3gulator
My father always told me that "YOU make YOUR own luck" Had they not lost their games. They would still be here.
2015-07-03 00:54
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#149
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Brazil luaudesign
+1
2015-07-03 12:05
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#48
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Latvia DROPDEADLV
sit in home lurrpis :D:D::D:D:D:D !
2015-07-03 00:56
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#50
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Switzerland pazzo0
Guys, bet all what you have on KeyD, they will surprise tomorrow, 2x1 against fnatic. no kappa
2015-07-03 00:57
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#52
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Ksharp | 
United States r3gulator
100% agree
2015-07-03 01:00
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Cajunb pjsalt also lurpiss get rdy to eat ur words cuz NAs bringing it home! ( Maybe not win ) but if clg keyd or c9 make finals im content
2015-07-03 01:02
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#69
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Greenland Trashbane
Na taking it home... If Keyd on finals... Na =/= Keyd
2015-07-03 01:51
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#146
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United States CSGangster
I have to agree on this one
2015-07-03 11:56
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#58
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Netherlands 66ix
The bo1 is weird comparing to how many matches you need to play to even qualify. The upset factor is way too big with the amount of money on the line. Unlucky TSM!
2015-07-03 01:24
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#62
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Sweden Anunnaki
They didn't even play a fucking NA team you srs bruh? They played KeyD and Fnatic two teams that are more than capable of beating them and DID go cry somewhere else and make retarded excuses it all bullshit.
2015-07-03 01:34
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#65
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United States Jerk1_
Ran have nobody to blame but themselves. If you loose a map it's your fault and you were outplayed, end of story. Cajunb tears lel
2015-07-03 01:41
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#77
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Denmark Tom Haverford
So much salt about bo1 but majors are the same shit..
2015-07-03 03:01
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#78
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United States f0xes`
Good read
2015-07-03 03:09
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#80
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Brazil spunkky[sA]
Cajun, who? If the world cup was on a bo3 format, we would have won "second map" vs Germany... kappa
2015-07-03 03:45
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#82
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Sweden theLimpo
Hahaha Good one :D
2015-07-03 04:07
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#104
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Greece hekzy
Nah, it would be a best of 13 and it would end 7-1 for germany.
2015-07-03 08:19
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#81
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Australia yourwombat
wp NA and Keyd, wp
2015-07-03 03:43
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nice article
2015-07-03 04:08
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#84
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Canada pokz
cryjunb?
2015-07-03 04:21
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#85
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New Zealand dasein4
good article, thanks
2015-07-03 05:05
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#86
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United States The_Strang3r
tldr: USA! USA! USA!
2015-07-03 05:15
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#87
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France CLG FANBOY
Lupus is such a cry baby... bo1 formats are always better so we can see potential upsets so we can see different teams can make it to the finals instead of the same old fnatic vs tsm or vp
2015-07-03 05:18
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#90
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Portugal JonhyBot
No, bo1 are always the worst format cause it doesn't prove anything. NBA, NFL, football leagues, americano football etc etc are never played in bo1 format for a reason. Spectators are an importante part of the game, but they should never be more important than how the game should be played, or the game itself...because of people who think like you We havr Tech9 and CZ and thats so much fun right?
2015-07-03 05:40
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#94
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United States aBerK
NFL is bo1. Football is bo1 except for the Champions league. Everything else is pretty much bo1
2015-07-03 06:58
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#99
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World Atom28
thats the worst comparison I heard :D it would be more like a penalty shoot-out group phase if you look at the randomness. This would be also more exciting but pretty bad sports. Yes BO1 (in CS) generates more spectacle but doesn't always determinate the better team. So its always a question of preferring excitement over sport aspects. Which is the right one? There isn't. Just a matter of personal preference.
2015-07-03 07:42
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#147
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United States CSGangster
+1
2015-07-03 11:57
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#157
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Portugal JonhyBot
In any football league of any country every team must face each other 2 times...yeah sorry about NFL.
2015-07-03 13:26
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#174
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United States aBerK
In ESEA regular season they play each other twice too. Still bo1. And we are talking about playoffs/LAN/championship, not regular season
2015-07-03 22:42
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#158
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France CLG FANBOY
Ok it honestly shouldn't matter what format the game is the TOP teams in the world should be prepared for ANYTHING they just underestimated the NA scene it's not the bo1 formats fault
2015-07-03 13:40
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#159
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Finland ZoqFotPik
ever watched NFL?
2015-07-03 14:18
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#89
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Portugal JonhyBot
The only way bo1 makes sense in any esport tournament is if there is a single group and every team play each other to determine winners and losers bracket. After that winners bracket are played in bo3 and losers bracket in bo1 until the last 4 teams are found. Tbh CS:GO tounament formats should be way more developed than they are right now.
2015-07-03 05:30
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#92
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Argentina EnvyJ
I would like to see KStars fight for a final, probable wont happen but well
2015-07-03 06:47
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#96
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Canada JuanBeliveau
Professionals shouldnt be crying because they lost bo1s. They already knew matches would be bo1. If they can't handle that much pressure to win the $100k grand prize then I don't know what to say. yes I agree winning a bo1 wont make you a better team overall but with that much money on the line you can see who really wants to win and who falls under pressure. It makes for interesting matches to watch. TSM we know you're a good team but you're still a bunch of young cry babies full of ego
2015-07-03 07:13
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#101
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Johnny R. | 
Spain shooterr
in the past all tournaments was bo1. fun events alays
2015-07-03 08:06
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#102
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Faroe Islands Deferred
keep complaining you lost fair and square shut up
2015-07-03 08:09
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#105
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Belgium 0nillie0
He did play insanely good. Probably Salty cuz his performance led to nothing but shame. Well done for KeyD. Hope they can get something more out of this...
2015-07-03 08:49
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#106
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Switzerland LeTemplar
When I say cajun, you say salty!
2015-07-03 08:53
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#107
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Denmark noche
I really like the bo1 format from a viewers perspective. We have seen it before and it has always created upsets and made the map/matches more interesting than a bo3 - every single round counts and there isn't much room for mistakes. It comes down to being prepared and TSM clearly wasn't. That TSM went out isn't too surprising after all, they have been out of form for the last few weeks. Though not a single european team can make that claim, when you look at the results before the event.
2015-07-03 09:37
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#108
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Slovakia harek
nice article, good work lurppis
2015-07-03 09:38
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#110
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Finland toparr
What makes bo1:s especially harsh in a tournament ilke this is the lack of teams. The seeding is extremely rough compared to a 16 team event. They should have thought out this better. Its just stupid to have 4 days with 8 teams and still play bo1:s. If it were 16 teams then fine. Maybe they should have thought out the format better. The winner of the group goes to the semis. Maybe they should have sent the winner of the online portion of the league to the quarters and then play for 6 more spots at the quarters. That would have made it possible to field a few more teams for the event. Even more candy for the viewers and less bitching about the too few slots. Oh well, what do I know. Its always lovely when companes think theyre apple and tell people what they want to see. And at the same time their opinions within the company swing around like a crazy mans cock.
2015-07-03 09:44
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#111
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United States Aflimacon
I liked the bo3 double elimination that ESEA used for their 8-team tournaments. It was easy to follow, it provided fair matches, and there was never a problem with time.
2015-07-03 09:47
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#119
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Finland toparr
I suppose when you add up ESL and ESEA you get something in the lines were watching now. Hell, they would have had time to play bo5 brackets with no lower bracket. But i guess its too much to ask to see the really best teams battle it out properly. The tournament format was built to cause upsets. Its so fucking transparent it makes one want to vomit. Thank god it seems to be turning against them and the bigger issue is the retarded format not the upsets themselves. Not to take anything away from the american teams, theyre progressing. Its not easy to win that bo1 vs a giant. But when you prepare just for that, its very much possible. And how long did they know the matchups? And how long did they know which teams from the EU would get to the finals? That gives them a massive preparation edge. Not like eu teams get much out of watching the few good american teams play online against eachother.
2015-07-03 10:16
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#134
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World Havok69
True dat. It's very obvious that the NA teams' goal was laid bare for all to see. They were very obviously going for the Bo1 wins, while a top team like Envy are slow starters and teams like TSM and Fnatic weren't even trying that hard, thinking it wouldn't be that bad. NA improved alot and on top of tryharding it like there were no tomorrow, they won with a scoreline like 16-12, 16-13. It's true, NA won that Bo1 fairly. But people are talking as if the safe "pincushion" that is Bo3 are what gives the EU teams advantages? How so? Bo3 is just 2 more matches max compared to BO1 the "advantage" people are talking about only goes as far as the ability of the team can make use of them. If a NA team lost in a BO3, that just means if both the teams were serious, the EU team were just plainly, stronger. And people say that others are using Bo1 as an excuse as to why some of the EU teams lost, but really it's the other way around, people are using the excuse that is BO3 as to why the EU teams lost. When it's obvious when you're so far into a big tournament like this that Bo3 is the way to go, after all who would want to see teams getting dropped out of tournaments from only one games each? Like you said, it's disgustingly transparent how they purposely went for BO1s, even after all the teams fought on SO MANY days in a week just to make it out of qualifiers, just to easily get buttfucked by 2 BO1s and dropped out.
2015-07-03 11:03
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#135
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World Havok69
And people say that others are using Bo1 as an excuse as to why some of the EU teams lost, but really it's the other way around, people are using the excuse that is BO3 as to why the NA* teams lost.
2015-07-03 11:04
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#114
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Russia RomJkeH
Fucking esl esea pro league, why in group stage bo1? why Karl ? why ?
2015-07-03 09:55
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#118
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Australia Mr Crowley
Because they're more interested in the $$$ than the viewer experience obviously, DELAYS ANYONE?
2015-07-03 10:11
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#116
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Russia RomJkeH
Shit championat (max repost)
2015-07-03 10:06
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#117
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Syria 4evahgone
Cajunb grow up pls
2015-07-03 10:10
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#124
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Australia Mr Crowley
i think'd you'd be salty too if you'd lost $100,000 for losing a best of 1, after playing in a league format for 2 months.
2015-07-03 10:26
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#126
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Syria 4evahgone
No I wouldn't At least not take it to Twitter
2015-07-03 10:38
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#129
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Syria 4evahgone
"Fuckin disappointed no clue why it's bo1 in the 1st place. Gg fanatic go win this shit now" He really needs to act mature, swallow it up and if possible show some respect to other teams
2015-07-03 10:54
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#137
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World Havok69
And that's why you're not a pro player. Do you honestly know how many games all of the teams played during the league during the 2 months? On top of that, all of the pro teams even has other leagues mixed in, so they're almost playing matches every single day, every week. On top of all the training you would've had to do for who knows how long, to even make it that good, after 2 months of hardcore matches with other T1 teams that could easily rape your ass if you weren't playing serious and making it out of qualifiers, getting onto Group Stage finally then, "Surprise Buttfuck" BO1s, One game losses, happens twice, then you're gone. Just like that. No, I'd say if it were you, you'd just be as salty, maybe even more. And if you aren't, either you're not a human, u have no emotions, or like now, you just fail to understand how much practice and effort people put in to become Top 1-2 pro team in the world.
2015-07-03 11:11
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#144
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Syria 4evahgone
I said I wouldn't take to Twitter like that Things like this happen in competition. I just don't pity them for this kinda immature behavior Can't believe people defend him after such a mad loser cry
2015-07-03 11:50
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#163
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United States Treq
really grown up response from you... glad to see people can be mature in this site
2015-07-03 14:42
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This Tournament is Rigged anyway only BO3 is the real match BO1 pure fixed game only fnatic vs TSM not fixed they choose to use BO1 so no 1 gonna notice how rigged the match is never trust ESL BO1 again
2015-07-03 10:38
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#128
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World SAUVAGEE
betting site on cs maybe not getting a good income since evryone know the winner if bo3 so they use this format.. and voila now the game unpredictable and all happy
2015-07-03 10:49
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#133
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World LonGRang3
Come on everyone should understand that this is fixed. Tell me NV losing to C9 is OK, TSM losing to Keyd Stars and Fnatic OK, but Fnatic losing to CLG, not buying that, a step too far. And the American teams lost the pistol rounds, something that means a complete victory for EU's top 3
2015-07-03 10:59
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#136
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Poland Jazzpersky
so ur saying that Fnatic, TSM, nVm C9 and others shout get banned for match fixing?
2015-07-03 11:07
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#139
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World LonGRang3
Not all, but especially TSM, Fnatic, and NV since probably the NA Teams didn't know (happens a lot in other sports) and were simply trying to win.
2015-07-03 11:28
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#140
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World Havok69
I don't know about fixing, but the Fnatic vs CLG match was really weird. There were at least 5 times I could think of where they counter-strat way too easily. Like how the moment the round started, CLG was already going for the PERFECT counter-start against what Fnatic was about to do, when really no one could possibly have called for it at the start of the round when there were no indications as to what the opponent POSSIBLY could have done. They had too much Info, they kept push/counter-stratting in the correct area,spots, timing every time. That's how Fnatic lost in such a close game. A good example was durng one of the rounds, CLG was on CT and they pushed up mid, smoking upper mid path to B, while 3 of them were hiding under the ledge for the 2 Ts that "just happened" to try to push to the boxes, they saw that a smoke was up, causing Olof to take out his knife and try to jump behind it straight away. They caught Olof out easily because they were already in position and second guy also ran in right as Olof died. Like how the hell would they know to do that with 0 Info? That was literally the start of the round. And the round after that or one of the few after, they pushed connector again, but this time instead of doing that same thing, they went straight for underpass, double, or even triple flashed underpass as if they knew, the Ts who were rushing had NO IDEA how they knew they were there, as evident by the fact that they were completely flashed that entire time, they couldn't even turn away in time because no one could've possibly known to rush from CT spawn to underpass and flashed that many times at the start of the round. And there were many other instances where they were going for counter-strats at the start of each round before the Ts could even try ANYTHING. And the round or few right after that, they walked out into mid without smoking/flashing anything, just plainly checking with their guns out and possibly only flashing underpass once after awhile for a teammate to peek. That kind of play is EXTREMELY weird, even if they're pros, no one plays like they know what the enemy would do. And no one sure as hell goes for counter-strats as the round starts against a particular strat that the enemy tried to use ONCE in the ENTIRE GAME.
2015-07-03 11:30
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#141
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World LonGRang3
That means fixing.
2015-07-03 11:32
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#142
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World LonGRang3
Yes, I wasn't able to see the matches (late night) but I mean its ridiculous to win the pistol rounds and lose to underdog teams still (especially if you're Fnatic).
2015-07-03 11:35
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#138
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World Havok69
TSM didn't deserve for rekt. Getting screwed by horrible tournament format. Who would've expected after 2 months of constant matches and finally qualifying, that Group Stages would start off with Friggin Bo1s? Even if the NA teams were the ones to drop out, I would say the exact same thing. How can you call this Group Stages for such a big tournament with BO1s?! Teams are dropped out, even before they could've showed us their stuff and bring some very interesting games on BO3s. NO.TEAMS.DESERVE.FOR.REKT.IN.BO1S.ON.FUCKING.GROUP.STAGES.
2015-07-03 11:16
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#162
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United States  Rizla
Good luck.
2015-07-03 14:31
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#165
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United States fragurass
Independence Day Tomorrow, NA's chance #murica
2015-07-03 15:32
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#168
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Brazil kadotA
cryjunB :´(
2015-07-03 16:07
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#169
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Canada marci
cajunButthurt
2015-07-03 16:32
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#170
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Malta JubArt
So much European tears are making me sad :,( BTW< I know the finals will be EU vs EU. But I am not the one crying here.
2015-07-03 16:34
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YEsterday all the faggots be like,we need Bo3,better team wins in Bo3. Up your ass bitches.
2015-07-03 18:07
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2015-07-03 18:53
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