Luminosity: "Liquid had the choice"

HLTV.org spoke with Luminosity's owner Steve 'Buyaka' Maida to get his statement on the controversey surrounding the Liquid and Luminosity Upper Bracket semifinal game.

The large controversy from day three of the RGN Pro Series involved Liquid and Luminosity and a decision to not restart a round after an accident saw one of Luminosity's players' computers get turned off.

The rule specified that as soon as action in the round took place, whether damage, shooting, or kills, the round is live and cannot be restarted, however there was an expectation Liquid might restart out of mercy.

HLTV.org is looking to piece together opinions of all involved to give the best possible picture of what transpired. The next person with whom we were able to speak is the owner of Luminosity Gaming, Steve 'Buyaka' Maida.

How did the situation unfold for you guys following the disconnect?

The photographer went to take a picture and hit the power button, which is obviously an accident and we're not blaming him for it.

We were told the round won't be replayed by one of the admins because kills had been exchanged. The admin then told us to ask Sasquatch, the head admin, he said the round was live and after kills have been exchanged, that rule applies.

He said "it's up to Liquid if they want to replay" so we went to ask Liquid. We went up to them and Hiko said they would not replay the round because kills had been exchanged and one of our players had 10 HP so they would have the advantage.

So they did not want to restart the round?

Liquid did not want to replay it, if Liquid had said yes to replaying it, it would have been restarted which is in the CEVO rules. They had that choice.

So the statement that 'we had no choice' [from RGN] was incorrect and misinformed and he [Matt David, RGN's CEO] apologised to me afterwards.

What do you think about RGN's handling of the situation?

I didn't like that a decision was made before we were even spoken to. I think in the future there should be a group discussion between admins and each team captain.

I think that RGN should reserve the right to rule in scenarios that are not covered by the current rules. In my opinion a human being turning off a computer is not a "computer malfunction" as quoted by the admin as justification for the ruling since a computer malfunction relates to a hardware failure.

Do you have anything to say about your players' reactions on Twitter or the decision not to shake hands?

I haven't personally read any of their comments but I can totally understand if they were upset. No Liquid players came near our area where the players were. Our players were in the bathroom or near the computer area where we played.

What do you think was the optimal solution to the situation?

An admin should have realised the situation was a rare occurrence that there is no rule for and they shouldn't have rushed to a decision.

Regardless of the moment of controversy which transpired at the venue, the RGN Pro Series continues to play out in its final matches as only four more teams remain: Cloud9, Liquid, Luminosity, and Renegades.

stich writes for HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter

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wat
2015-11-19 06:45
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Brazil mirekhs
2015-11-19 06:53
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Denmark fyhn
The drama is real.
2015-11-19 06:45
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#7
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Poland stich - HLTV.org
I actually think it's kinda died down since
2015-11-19 06:46
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Denmark fyhn
Well, what happened last time a team didn't want to shake hands after a game? (:D)
2015-11-19 06:49
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4 replies
#33
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coldzera | 
Brazil Collee
yeah but they were screaming and talking trash to the other team like pigs(especially the pig)
2015-11-19 06:52
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#37
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Denmark fyhn
Well fnatic didn't lose :>
2015-11-19 06:54
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Australia BCP
yep
2015-11-19 06:58
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Sweden Busfisk
how much?
2015-11-19 09:09
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#38
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Canada Turborat
The chat on the RGN streams are still going on about it....
2015-11-19 06:54
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Brazil Motoboy
" The fair play it consists in stop doing something beneficial to the competitor or team in situations whose rule lets do it , but common sense and ethics do not ."
2015-11-19 06:46
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liquid suck
2015-11-19 06:46
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United States GeT_ReiCh
2015-11-19 06:48
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Finland lasbe
( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮hey liquid ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮
2015-11-19 09:28
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United States im_k0be
bruh
2015-11-19 06:46
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#11
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adreN | 
Australia Macgyver3651
hi
2015-11-19 06:46
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#12
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United States eXtremeCamper
+1
2015-11-19 06:46
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#13
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Brazil AL1en
murifats, stop and restart the round noobs, why so scared xD i dont respect liquid anymore
2015-11-19 06:56
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United States toadcs
Ok
2015-11-19 06:47
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Brazil pedromatta
oh boy...
2015-11-19 06:48
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#18
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United States Dood
he should feel bad that he brought a ton of haters onto Hiko...
2015-11-19 06:48
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8 replies
#23
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Australia Dancing Panda
Hiko brought it on himself by being a cunt
2015-11-19 06:49
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United States Dood
do you know how many people told him that he was fat and should kill himself?
2015-11-19 06:52
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Well he is fat and the latter is a remark any "pro" player would rather ignore.
2015-11-19 10:51
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yeah it's not like people telling him to kill himself is anything new. Or like it doesn't happen to almost every pro.
2015-11-19 13:19
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Europe DrexxEnt
Honestly, Hiko brought this upon himself. Pitchforks! --E --E --E
2015-11-19 06:50
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#27
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coldzera | 
Brazil Collee
hiko did the same onto a nice guy like fodder, so... deserved
2015-11-19 06:51
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Jame | 
Latvia harosh1mA
nt hiko
2015-11-19 06:51
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#31
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Australia HymenTester
I doubt hiko cares
2015-11-19 06:52
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United States zkipa
fuck LG. bunch of scrubs
2015-11-19 06:50
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#29
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Brazil pedromatta
you mispelled TL
2015-11-19 06:51
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Canada frl_cmK
Fucking LG. bunch of dirty scums.
2015-11-19 08:19
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#127
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Sweden Busfisk
You misspelt AZK he is the french stars.
2015-11-19 09:21
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i arent think that*
2015-11-19 18:26
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Netherlands De-linquent
Best comeback 2k10.
2015-11-19 16:42
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Australia kTw0
fucking liquid. scum.
2015-11-19 06:49
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Canada BananaTugger
So, nothing against the rules happened. Deal with it.
2015-11-19 06:49
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United States joN-dA-k1nG
+1
2015-11-19 07:04
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#65
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United States Sandays
BANANATUGGER HAS SPOKEN!
2015-11-19 07:12
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Americans = toxics Now all Brazilians hate Hiko hahaha
2015-11-19 06:51
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#190
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Brazil bskkr
uuuh, no. only fallen fanboys, btw, you.
2015-11-19 21:04
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honestly, I think at this point there should be a plugin that allows a round to be restarted at a specific point within the round shouldn’t be too hard to make for tournaments that invest a shitload of money into events
2015-11-19 06:51
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Canada Spacepickle
well RGN only invested the prize money plus maybe $20 for production... so...
2015-11-19 07:36
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United Kingdom Alth
If the rules state RGN can only overturn their own rules if Liquid agrees, but Liquid doesn't agree which is their right, then RGN do indeed have no choice to abide by their own ruleset. This owner of LG isn't exactly a bright chap now is he.
2015-11-19 06:54
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#193
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Estonia Psoocho
its not about being against the rules, its about sportsmanship and fairplay, liquid could have been nice and restarted, instead they decided they will kill the afk LG players
2015-11-19 22:32
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United Kingdom Alth
And giving players the opportunity to decide to bend the rules, even in the name of good sportsmanship, makes the rules meaningless.
2015-11-20 05:49
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Brazil Rohe
Liquid is so disgusting.
2015-11-19 06:54
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Brazil JonathanCSGO
painfull, hold on
2015-11-19 06:55
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Russia Hydropanic
I do remember the final game between TSM and Virtus Pro at SLTV. TSM acted like men. This american fatty and his team acted like girls. What a shame.
2015-11-19 06:55
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Brazil JonathanCSGO
muricans.
2015-11-19 06:59
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hiko soon or later ill get you trash!
2015-11-19 06:55
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Germany zinnia
gl doing that
2015-11-19 07:27
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Switzerland wdf am u want
nt
2015-11-19 07:49
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Finland princejamal
you typoed, should been "ill get youR trash!"
2015-11-19 16:10
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#46
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Brazil b42only
This information changes things a bit. All in all, the only thing I agree is that they shouldn't rush to a decision since it was such a wierd occurance.
2015-11-19 06:59
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Finland jeesbus
2015-11-19 06:59
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I was about to post the same thing. You should look up all of the Liquid's players mentions on Twitter, Hiko especially, he's receiving the whole she-bang. Their Federal government is corrupt beyond belief but they care more about telling a guy from Michigan to kill himself.
2015-11-19 07:02
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Portugal tnyk1ng
that Hiko is a joke tho lel
2015-11-19 08:33
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United States eocoz
I never liked Liquid
2015-11-19 07:01
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nor fair play because...liquid is scary -.-'' fuck liquid
2015-11-19 07:01
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#171
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Finland princejamal
so u admit that Luminosity is scared of Liquid? understandable
2015-11-19 16:11
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Korea ka1ske
FUCK FAT RETARD SWEATY GUYS
2015-11-19 07:01
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Man, i remember in 2007 theres a tournament in France, and some guy pulled out the energy wire, three mibr pc's was suddenly turned off. According RGN rules the should not be an restart round. nice logic!
2015-11-19 07:03
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World nosrl
This is simple as that: They were given the options of doing the right thing or act like a cunt taking advantage on an unfortunate event where the other team had no guilt at all. They chose to act like cunts. Fck Liquid
2015-11-19 07:08
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Sweden ald;
shitquid
2015-11-19 07:08
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#63
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Brazil gnomo2
No respect for liquid anymore!
2015-11-19 07:11
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Sweden Anunnaki
RGN paradise, don't ever throw LANs again until you get your shit together.
2015-11-19 07:12
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United States ROTTWEiLER1k
boohoo LG out GA in.
2015-11-19 07:16
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Iceland tteiluj
Conclusion: Liquid sucks hard!
2015-11-19 07:18
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#73
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Hungary lemusz
Hiko had the choice to loose his weight but he said NO instead.
2015-11-19 07:27
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#74
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United States The_Strang3r
Something isn't adding up here. So the head admin tells LG no citing the rule, and then all of a sudden tells them to ask Hiko? Sure LG, sure. More likely they wanted Hiko to agree so they could go to the admins again and say the other team agrees to replay the round in hopes of persuading them to change the rules when that was never going to happen.
2015-11-19 07:29
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United States devn3
:tooth:
2015-11-19 07:31
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North America Foxaika
I would only see a problem if the teams were completely even in the round. If Liquid had the advantage, then I think it's fair game for them to say no to a replay. Other than the situation I describe above, I would say it's fair. Bad luck, but it's not as if it destroyed their chance of winning. They had more chances, and there is no guarantee with a replay the outcome would have been different.
2015-11-19 07:34
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Brazil aspec
it was 4v4 and lg had the moment
2015-11-19 07:40
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North America Foxaika
4v4 but I was talking about damage exchanged. Not sure what you mean by "LG had the moment".
2015-11-19 07:43
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Philippines gicama_
just get over it and focus on winning the tournament.. don't let this be an excuse! go LG!
2015-11-19 07:35
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#85
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Sweden Anunnaki
Didn't something similar happen like this in the starladder finals with TSM vs VP? TSM replayed the round cause their not scumbags.
2015-11-19 07:40
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#86
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Latvia Tontons
The last response about what should be done: "An admin should have realised the situation was a rare occurrence that there is no rule for and they shouldn't have rushed to a decision." So he doesn't say it should be replayed or not. He only says it should be delayed. Thanks! Team owners should really do more to encourage additional delays! Of course it should be admins decision - either replay or not, explain it to teams (in game) and go live in 1 min. Not walk around and talk talk talk.
2015-11-19 07:40
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"kills had been exchanged and one of our players had 10 HP so they would have the advantage." So it was a 4v4 which is t-side advantage, and one of cts had 10hp. Since Liquid had advantage it's actually unsportsmanlike for LG to call for restart. Yes it's unfortunate for LG, but you have to look at both sides.
2015-11-19 07:44
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Sweden Anunnaki
Same ruling applied in the starladder finals between vp and tsm, yet tsm actually chose to replay the round instead of scumming VP.
2015-11-19 07:50
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World Jolly Roger
So true, that was an example of what should happen in these situations
2015-11-19 09:09
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#114
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Brazil agoravai
"it's actually unsportsmanlike for LG to call for restart." WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW!! You not only lack spostsmanship but you also wanna blame LG for having their pc turned off?!!?!? OMG, you are either too damn dumb or too fucking low.
2015-11-19 08:49
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Uh no I didn't blame LG for having their pc turned off. What I'm saying is while it's unfair that nothing was done for LG for this accident, it is ALSO unfair for LG to ask for restart because Liquid had advantage before the drop. It is lose lose for either decision. The best decision imo is to recreate the same exact situation (same money, same guns, 4v4, same hp, same position of players, same time remaining, etc.) but that's probably too much effort.
2015-11-19 09:43
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Netherlands primoossood
So the guy that turned off the pc is not to blame? ok
2015-11-19 07:51
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Inhuman Reaction
2015-11-19 07:53
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#96
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United States NAlegend
its rgn lan who fucking cares it literally means nothing its a group of shitty na teams. and they are gonne lose to renegades any ways so RIP
2015-11-19 07:56
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#98
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Iceland tteiluj
No respect for Liquid, anymoar.
2015-11-19 07:57
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#103
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NiKo | 
Canada Nightli
hiko will do anything to win because he needs money to buy buckets of grease to bath in and drink 12 gallons a day of.
2015-11-19 08:10
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Portugal tnyk1ng
still swag is there to rek them... an inactive player LMAO
2015-11-19 08:34
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Denmark Sander
I just lost all my respect for Liquid, even tho the admins should haved insisted on a fucking replay. So sad for Luminosity and I can't imagine how bad the photographer must feel..
2015-11-19 08:48
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mad huehue favelas dont know the rules xD
2015-11-19 08:55
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Latvia Ke]R[4u
expected from 3rd world lan
2015-11-19 08:56
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#117
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World Jolly Roger
Where are all the american retards that were literally hating on all of Brazil and LG in the other thread? Holy I saw so much shit and I'm not even brazilian but it was sad Bad from the NA organisation, bad from Liquid and worse from all the NA kids that were talking shit without knowing anything
2015-11-19 09:05
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#118
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Slovakia VerySloVACGuy
classic hiko´s liquid nothing new nothing unexpected :D theres only few guys here who would do this seriously every other big team would replay the round
2015-11-19 09:06
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China  Tiger
when someone like hiko is having wet dreams of being the best team of NA but in reality they suck big time on lan and cant do any damage against tier1 teams and all you can hope for is to pull an unfair win against brazilian team - GO FOR IT HIKO!~ seriously fuck those sad nerds up, shit as i said thats exactly the same as if in football your teammate gets injured and opponent team kicks the ball out and in return you dont give them the ball but go and score on those weak asses because you have advantage now.. and lol @ hiko subs to say "eeeh they had advantage ofc hiko is right blalalal" FUCK YOU little bitches, pray to god something like this never happens to that fat piece of overrated shit as nobody will ever do any agreements with him from now on - trust me
2015-11-19 09:16
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#126
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Slovakia VerySloVACGuy
its just a shame that they didnt replay the round and all hate to hiko/liquid is in place
2015-11-19 09:17
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Poland FaZz^
Just murican's things.
2015-11-19 09:09
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3 years of hate towards Liquid inc like Fnatic rip liquid
2015-11-19 09:10
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#128
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Luxembourg SoulSearcher
Liquid SCUM !!
2015-11-19 09:21
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#132
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Russia alexgone
hiko is right, luminocity could have advantage
2015-11-19 09:35
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#134
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Germany Haram_Bae
I hope TL gets fuckin rekt and disband.
2015-11-19 09:39
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#139
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United Kingdom peaks
Liquid unsportsmanlike pigs. Expected for virgin fat cunt Hiko, virgin geek AdreN and Casper the see-through virgin Elige
2015-11-19 10:09
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rip favelas
2015-11-19 11:18
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Luxembourg swaggerboy
rip cs go latvia scene
2015-11-20 02:11
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#145
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Finland Lammasrakastaja
if the rules allow it theres nothing wrong
2015-11-19 11:20
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#147
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Finland eebro
I remember a situation like this with envy and some other team.. Was it Fnatic? Where they replayed the round in the exact same it was cut off short, which was like 2 dead 1 low and the exact same positions too. That obviously was an exception and required a lot of work from both teams and the admins. I wonder if there could have been a compromise made? Anyways that volunteer has to get more aware of his surroundings, because shit like this is what breaks careers.
2015-11-19 11:25
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#149
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Denmark AAMucKK
cant belive liquid didnt just say yes to replay the round. such shitty behavior. i liked liquid before this, now i think they are a bunch of losers. IF this was 2 euro top teams 100% they would have agreed to replay the round. dno if its an american behavior problem overall or just liquid that are shitty ppl! i tend to the latter cuz i think a team like CLG wich seem to be more "grown up" in the way they act. ill never root for liquid again!
2015-11-19 12:31
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#151
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Finland RaptoRStillAlive
So which of these explanations is true kek
2015-11-19 13:14
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#154
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Georgia Laffegodx
admins fault not liquid or lg
2015-11-19 14:04
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#155
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Canada Vhol
I definitely agree these Brazilian fans need to chill out.
2015-11-19 14:04
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#156
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Germany funkz
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french star
2015-11-19 14:08
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So how important was that one round? Was it near the end of the match or something?
2015-11-19 15:17
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#166
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Georgia tvd
12-11
2015-11-19 15:47
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It was probably the most important round on inferno. It was 11-12 to Liquid and it's that point where the economy isn't good for both sides. Lg would put Liquid to Eco and probably shift the game to 13-12. And after this, it was 11-13. LG could finish this game 2-0. Anyways, LG lost for frustation and to themselves after this. They choked a lot.
2015-11-19 15:47
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#168
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United States [jayfour]
luminosity is a scumbag company. the csgo players are cool but they need to sign with better organization. "The photographer went to take a picture and hit the power button, which is obviously an accident and we're not blaming him for it." so who is to blame you dumbass. scumbag luminosity ditched their team for sticker money, cuz they cant generate any other form of revenue. and their owner is a future darwin award winner after reading that first sentence. get these guys a new organization.
2015-11-19 15:56
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#169
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Europe MADHAX0R
liquid grills lg one love <3
2015-11-19 16:08
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#195
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tabseN | 
Germany progressio
i replied here because the liquid news above had 1 answer more. now its fair.
2015-11-19 22:58
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tarik | 
Thailand LadyBoyLover
lmao
2015-11-20 02:54
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#198
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United States HyperionN
mmmmm mmm those salty brazilian tears
2015-11-20 01:09
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#200
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World po0ty
"if Liquid had said yes to replaying it, it would have been restarted which is in the CEVO rules. They had that choice." they were using cevo rules at an rgn tourney??
2015-11-20 02:23
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