Changes to pistols, rifles reverted

Changes made to the most popular rifles, AK-47, M4A1-S and M4A4, as well as all pistols have been reverted in tonight's update.

What seems to be the most criticized update so far in the history of Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, which is saying a lot in itself, has been reverted almost in full in under a week following the release.

After the huge nerf to the R8 Revolver, the changes that nerfed all styles of shooting with three most popular rifles, AK-47, M4A1-S and M4A4 have just been reverted in full.

After rolling out tonight's update, Valve acknowledged making "a few mistakes causing pain to the CS:GO community", as their game-changing update hadn't brought the desired effect.

In an extensive statement, Valve developers also delve into their thought process behind making the changes and explain that they will try to find another way to balance different styles of shooting.

Below is the full changelog of tonight's update:

[GAMEPLAY]

– Reverted recent changes to pistols and the AK-47, M4A4, and M4A1-S (see the CS:GO blog for details).
[MISC]
– Other players can now hear the sound of the R8 Revolver primary fire hammer just before it fires.
– Smoke clouds from smoke grenades detonated by burning fire will now correctly cover the ground instead of floating above that area.
– Fire grenades that had been only partially extinguished by smoke will no longer deal damage from the flames under smoke grenade (fix for a bug discovered by jasonRRR)
– Flames from fire grenades that are still spreading will no longer spread into the smoke cloud and will instead spread along the edge of the smoke cloud.
– Fixed up-to-360-degree camera flip in Killer Replay.
– Fixed an instance where an offer showed the incorrect price.

[GAMEPLAY]

  • Reverted recent changes to pistols and the AK-47, M4A4, and M4A1-S (see the CS:GO blog for details).

[MISC]

  • Other players can now hear the sound of the R8 Revolver primary fire hammer just before it fires.
  • Smoke clouds from smoke grenades detonated by burning fire will now correctly cover the ground instead of floating above that area.
  • Fire grenades that had been only partially extinguished by smoke will no longer deal damage from the flames under smoke grenade (fix for a bug discovered by jasonRRR)
  • Flames from fire grenades that are still spreading will no longer spread into the smoke cloud and will instead spread along the edge of the smoke cloud.
  • Fixed up-to-360-degree camera flip in Killer Replay.
  • Fixed an instance where an offer showed the incorrect price.
#1
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North America ILikePeeps
:ooo. If this is true... woohoo!
2015-12-16 02:42
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#11
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United Kingdom Clyve
Inb4 valve baits us
2015-12-16 02:43
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47 replies
#23
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North America ILikePeeps
Please, no! :)
2015-12-16 02:44
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22 replies
#47
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Turkey Mustafa-
RiP CS:GO We want old CSGO :( i.imgur.com/CryXxIQl.jpg And where is the 128 tick official servers? Valve poor? I arent think that
2015-12-16 02:50
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21 replies
#64
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Estonia swag420weed
must be fake, friberg 32/11 can't be true
2015-12-16 02:50
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13 replies
QUESTION: Is the rifle now costing 2.9k once again and the m4a1 is no longer bad? The m4a1 skins value will rise up once again?
2015-12-16 03:03
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8 replies
#107
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Estonia swag420weed
no
2015-12-16 03:05
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#119
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Switzerland Laws Vegas
They just reverted the random spread stuff. 3100$ 600rpm m4a1 is still here.
2015-12-16 03:10
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Is the M4-S like the old one back in the days now?
2015-12-16 09:15
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5 replies
#346
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Netherlands steun
Reverted recent changes to pistols and the AK-47, M4A4, and M4A1-S
2015-12-16 11:44
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4 replies
#430
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Sweden Terrorsimme
No, m4a1-s still has a slow RoF but they removed the RNG aspect of the spray
2015-12-16 14:17
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3 replies
#474
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Sweden T_T
yes thats what they meant with RECENT changes
2015-12-16 17:25
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2 replies
#494
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Sweden Terrorsimme
Well some people didnt understand...
2015-12-16 22:26
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1 reply
#505
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SPUNJ | 
Sweden DoXeNpw
+1
2015-12-17 13:07
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#122
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Canada storm-
back in 2013 friberg was a beast
2015-12-16 03:11
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2 replies
#189
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North America mdrsspike
That was like 2012 lmao
2015-12-16 04:14
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1 reply
#455
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Finland fr0zeNid
and 2013 newfag
2015-12-16 15:29
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#400
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Finland fr0zeNid
newfag
2015-12-16 13:30
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#84
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United Kingdom Clyve
Oh man I really wanna play this again :( it's a shame we can't play the old versions for fun
2015-12-16 02:55
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3 replies
#104
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Estonia swag420weed
you can... Under beta...
2015-12-16 03:04
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2 replies
#283
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United Kingdom Clyve
Wot? Teach me pls
2015-12-16 09:22
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1 reply
#431
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Estonia swag420weed
Open Steam>right click on CSGO>properties>betas
2015-12-16 14:19
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#376
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xosht | 
Georgia xosht
You're still playing on MM? RiP your brain. We've faceit =)
2015-12-16 12:43
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#412
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NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel
They could even make a "premium boost" or something like that, where people would pay 5$ for option to play on 128 tick server.
2015-12-16 13:59
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too many players playing below 128 fps, that's why they won't ever make 128 tick matchmaking servers.
2015-12-16 14:42
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#27
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Estonia swag420weed
[GAMEPLAY] – Reverted recent changes to pistols and the AK-47, M4A4, and M4A1-S (see the CS:GO blog for details). Why they changed pistols back? were finally fine...
2015-12-16 02:46
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22 replies
#42
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North America ILikePeeps
..but I liked owning people in community with a five-seven. Leave me be! Muhaha
2015-12-16 02:46
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11 replies
#67
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Estonia swag420weed
now go MM and own ppl with five-seven/tec9
2015-12-16 02:51
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6 replies
Still easy.
2015-12-16 09:18
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5 replies
the glock was the only pistol that deserved to be unerfed, the rest could still be nerfed
2015-12-16 11:35
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4 replies
I agree.
2015-12-16 11:46
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#398
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Russia AKIMOV
+1000
2015-12-16 13:28
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#416
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United States Xit ^_^
+1
2015-12-16 14:02
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#456
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Finland fr0zeNid
+1
2015-12-16 15:30
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#93
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France DXMember6
same, had a lot of fun owning crying kids calling me hacker with a five-seven in dm
2015-12-16 03:00
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3 replies
#396
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Netherlands De-linquent
And then you woke up ;D
2015-12-16 13:24
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2 replies
Dude he is french, never doubt about a bagette!!!!!!!!!!¡¡!11!!1!!1one
2015-12-16 13:35
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#460
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France DXMember6
i woke up when i saw the update
2015-12-16 16:01
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#73
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elemeNt | 
Portugal uselessmoney
i agree, even i became more careful aiming with the tech9 and the ecos with that pistol were not the bullshit they were before I cant understand this for the pistols. The only pistol that became really shitty was the glock. Almost impossible to win a 1st round with that crap
2015-12-16 02:53
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#76
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Sweden fnatic fanboy
not really, the glock p2000 and usp were way too bad. They should have reverted the changes only for them. I think the p250, tec9, cz and five seven were balanced with that update.
2015-12-16 02:53
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6 replies
#89
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Finland FRGVN
there was 0 problems with the usp.. glock was the only problem in the whole update and even that wasnt THAT bad.
2015-12-16 02:58
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4 replies
#257
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Norway coolguy123
honestly they shouldve kept the usp/p2k nerf but buffed the glock
2015-12-16 08:19
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1 reply
#289
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Germany Domyyy
The glock was never too weak on its own, it was just too weak compared to the usp, so I think the - now reverted - update got it quite fine :/ RIP
2015-12-16 09:35
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#261
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United States gotrice541
That's how the glock should be. Fucking after they reverted Im getting dink from long range on pistol rounds why they just run around crouching spamming and ADAD. The glock in CSGO is MUCH MUCH BETTER than older versions.
2015-12-16 08:31
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1 reply
#373
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Brazil Rip_rahim
true dat my friend
2015-12-16 12:39
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#95
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Estonia swag420weed
+1
2015-12-16 03:00
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#447
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Germany Jaba01
No, the Glock was absolute shit and the overall fix was lazy as fuck.
2015-12-16 15:04
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1 reply
#467
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Estonia swag420weed
They should have not touched usp/glock, but nerfing other pistols were fine
2015-12-16 16:21
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#132
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World Buick
n1
2015-12-16 03:20
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#296
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Sweden Muffmull
Ye, love it. But if they want to make tapping and bursting used more, why don't they just increase the spread or make the spray pattern random instead?
2015-12-16 09:55
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1 reply
#405
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Ax1Le | 
Portugal KSED
Get out.
2015-12-16 13:40
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#473
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Denmark entify
GJ valve :) Ty for a good respond on your blog
2015-12-16 17:02
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#2
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Russia SicknO
ffs
2015-12-16 02:41
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2 replies
#69
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Finland Jyubei
WE DID IT REDDIT
2015-12-16 02:52
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1 reply
imgur.com/a/PDCPj I don't think the update was that bad, considering the data above, and I'm all in favor of nerfing spray at medium to long ranges, but vox populi vox dei...
2015-12-16 12:15
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#3
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Sweden darealmvp
thank mr valve
2015-12-16 02:42
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1 reply
#130
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seang@res | 
Poland spectrusv
Mr skeltal
2015-12-16 03:19
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#5
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flameZ | 
Netherlands xtrmx
WE WON !!!!!
2015-12-16 02:42
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Back to silver RIP my RNG fetish
2015-12-16 02:42
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#8
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f0rest | 
Serbia dankooo
Valve are idiots
2015-12-16 02:42
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12 replies
#244
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Austria aurimasu
You're idiot. For the first time they listen to "what community wants" and you still act like a bitch. Gtfo
2015-12-16 07:27
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11 replies
#273
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France Valkyros
The whole community wasn't disagreeing with this update, dude.
2015-12-16 09:07
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9 replies
#310
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Austria aurimasu
Who exactly wasn't disagreeing? Show me that idiot
2015-12-16 10:23
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8 replies
#336
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Bulgaria sN7
I was ok with it. Still rekt face
2015-12-16 11:25
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7 replies
#341
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Russia DilDoFaggins
u cant have been ok with the rifle changes. nobody could have possibly been ok with them. they were disgusting. the pistol thing is different.
2015-12-16 11:38
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6 replies
#350
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Bulgaria sN7
nobody can listen to Justin Bieber or like Miley Cyrus but ..
2015-12-16 11:51
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5 replies
#352
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Russia DilDoFaggins
nobody with a taste in music... u cant possibly tell me that nerfing first bullet rifle accuracy was a good thing dude. u cant possibly tell me that anything that makes the game more random instead of skill based is good.
2015-12-16 11:54
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4 replies
#408
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Netherlands Xenoo
If wasn't that bad. The timer is way worse imo. The rifles didn't need ne ring however, pistols did, now they fucked 66% of the things.
2015-12-16 13:56
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1 reply
#440
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Russia DilDoFaggins
decreasing running accuracy with pistols doesnt really mean ur making the game more random. it just makes them less effective, which gets balanced out easily with other guns. u cant balance this out to the same degree if u make rifles more random. the timer changes i personally dont like at all either, but some people have made valid points about it being a good or at least interesting change. i dont much agree with those people, but these changes at least arent changes that are flatout bad.
2015-12-16 14:46
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bieber been stepping up alot lately with his recent songs and don't talk about taste in music if you most likely are someone thinking dubstep is nice music or some heavy metal stuff
2015-12-16 14:09
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1 reply
#439
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Russia DilDoFaggins
u stop talking about music when u wanna lump together whole genres.
2015-12-16 14:43
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#363
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f0rest | 
Serbia dankooo
no they are braindeads they dont know what the fuck they are doing at all.
2015-12-16 12:17
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#9
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Europe flippex
SAVED!
2015-12-16 02:42
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1 reply
#33
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Finland masiju
RIP DEVIL 4Head
2015-12-16 02:44
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#10
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United States aired
FINALLY
2015-12-16 02:43
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#12
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blameF | 
Iceland xijmplr
expected
2015-12-16 02:43
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#13
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World dukkiiEaz
good
2015-12-16 02:43
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YESSS
2015-12-16 02:43
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#15
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suNny | 
Portugal alheiro
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
2015-12-16 02:43
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
2015-12-16 02:44
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unexpected move by volvo but nice to see
2015-12-16 02:43
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3 replies
#51
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Brazil TiagoWasd
it seems that they're listen more to the community, which is nice
2015-12-16 02:48
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2 replies
they dont. they care only about money, and after previous patch a lot of players just took a break from game = no money for volvo
2015-12-16 10:01
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1 reply
#317
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Hungary Shaperz
+1 personally i haven't even played a game while this update was active, so I don't even know how bad the spray changes were, or how OP the revolver was
2015-12-16 10:44
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#17
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United States oliversguan
NICE
2015-12-16 02:43
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#18
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Canada h4z0h2k_c9
WE DID IT REDDIT
2015-12-16 02:43
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#19
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United States Bubury
YESSSSSSSSSSS
2015-12-16 02:43
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#20
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Brazil rahnL
Yes... Yes... thank
2015-12-16 02:43
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#21
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Lithuania sqvar3
expected
2015-12-16 02:43
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WE DID IT REDDIT
2015-12-16 02:43
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11 replies
dont mention that cancer site here.
2015-12-16 07:11
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10 replies
He mentioned Reddit, not HLTV.org
2015-12-16 09:05
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4 replies
#288
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Romania ROI_QQ
Daaaaaam sun!
2015-12-16 09:32
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#362
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Slovenia SKY_LINE
:+)
2015-12-16 12:17
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#443
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Estonia swag420weed
Raported you for flaming
2015-12-16 14:53
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#501
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Other peridot
:DDD
2015-12-17 03:04
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#291
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Poland GramZ
You know what is funny? They say exactly the same shit about HLTV there :)
2015-12-16 09:37
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4 replies
#342
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Russia DilDoFaggins
who tf cares what those autistic subhumans say?
2015-12-16 11:38
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the main difference between the 2 sites is that hltv is self aware. everyone here knows the site is full of dicks. the people on reddit are too busy sniffing their own farts to realise that theyr all idiots too.
2015-12-16 12:22
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2 replies
#388
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Europe GandalfThePimp
+1
2015-12-16 13:18
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LOL REKT! dude i had 2 friends that always used reddit, I couldn't be friends with them anymore because of that site, it made them turn into like the hugest fucking cocks in the world, and they used to be decent people to hangout with. So with that I know that site is complete and utter cancer.
2015-12-16 15:30
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#24
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Japan kitzune
ty vale <3
2015-12-16 02:44
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#25
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Venezuela diegonogara
"We’re constantly reading community feedback and while we don’t often respond directly, understanding the community is one of the most important parts of working on CS:GO. Mistakes happen, but when they do, we’re committed to making sure they get fixed." This was nice.
2015-12-16 02:44
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4 replies
#60
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Canada h4z0h2k_c9
people give valve a hard time imho. I think the competitive community is forgetting that not everyone plays competitively or follows competitively and there's a very large player base who just play public games. I was in a public server last night and heard a guy saying valve should revert back to an older update because it made the game more fun but if they did the competitors would probably cry.
2015-12-16 02:50
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3 replies
#204
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Australia sini_
I would say that it's the pro's that bring in the fresh blood. The more tournament's, the more exposure of the game. New player's are attracted to the aspect of being a pro gamer, not all but I think it has a big role in this game becoming what it is now. So to not listen to the pro community and ofcourse the casual would be shooting themselve's in the foot.
2015-12-16 05:00
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2 replies
#205
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Canada h4z0h2k_c9
i agree that competitive community should come first but I think people forget that csgo does have a large casual community. when valve updates csgo the competitive community thinks it's just them.
2015-12-16 05:02
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1 reply
#414
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Netherlands Xenoo
There is still a bhop kz and surf community they don't care about.
2015-12-16 14:00
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#28
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GeT_RiGhT | 
Brazil twcas
thanks volvo
2015-12-16 02:44
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#31
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Germany Chris Walker
oh my god, thanks if this is true
2015-12-16 02:44
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why revert the pistol changes idgi valve really is dumbdumb
2015-12-16 02:45
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1 reply
#344
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Russia DilDoFaggins
i dont get that one either. i mean that seemed to be the one change that everyone in the pro scene and on HLTV (cba to read reddit, but i presume there too) liked.
2015-12-16 11:40
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#36
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Australia ERAZANTH
fucking stupid shit game just do something AND STICK TO IT
2015-12-16 02:45
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10 replies
#102
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Japan tenshi
So by that rationale, if they add a bazooka that costs 3000$ and destroys parts of maps, they should stick to it?
2015-12-16 03:03
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8 replies
#116
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Australia ERAZANTH
yeah bro exactly..... just take the discussion away to something ridiculous that is actually unreasonable and apply the same rationale. smart
2015-12-16 03:10
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7 replies
like the initial revolver? yeah, absolutely unreasonable...
2015-12-16 03:35
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2 replies
#165
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Australia ERAZANTH
revolver? irrelevant to this post? yep
2015-12-16 03:42
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1 reply
the revolver is as unreasonable as bazooka would be. they nerfed it because they realized it was ridiculous. not everything is worth sticking to and admitting making mistakes is sometimes important too, hence the patch.
2015-12-16 04:07
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#192
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Japan tenshi
The revolver was terribly OP and was part of the patch. Rifle "nerf" was stupidly random and was part of the patch. Pistol accuracy was, well, didn't really mind that one as much, but still it was part of the patch. If they sticked to it, they would keep all the retarded stuff in game. I don't think that's worth sticking to, just to make some dumbass point.
2015-12-16 04:18
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2 replies
#217
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Australia Jackos30
You took the b8
2015-12-16 05:49
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#236
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Australia ERAZANTH
hit the showers bro geez
2015-12-16 06:59
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so if you become a rapist in life just stick to it and don't change?
2015-12-16 07:12
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feggat..waht do u want actually???
2015-12-16 04:41
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trolling?
2015-12-16 02:45
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#38
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United States stzLiFE
no way.... MERRY FUCKIN XMAS HLTV IF THIS IS TRUE
2015-12-16 02:45
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good one valve.
2015-12-16 02:46
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#40
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rain | 
Norway humaNN
So. The only thing Valve accomplished was adding a new gun and nerfing it. GJ Valve, wasting your time and money on useless shit.
2015-12-16 02:46
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#275
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Sweden dax - Joel
They did nerf the pistols, which was a nice thing to see. I don't get why they reverted that. Getting dinked by fivesevens running 40km/h all the time. Where is the skill in that...
2015-12-16 09:11
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#507
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rain | 
Norway humaNN
Exactly.
2015-12-17 16:20
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#41
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Europe auguR
VOLVO YOU SMART, YOU LOTAL, I APPRECIATE THAT
2015-12-16 02:46
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#43
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France I'mNovi
THANKS GOD
2015-12-16 02:46
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#44
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United States HapsAps
Whoa
2015-12-16 02:46
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#46
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Halton | 
Spain akproxx
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo
2015-12-16 02:47
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#48
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Europe lanceV
how about to revert the game to 1.6 Kappa
2015-12-16 02:47
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#49
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Brazil sprk1
ty valve
2015-12-16 02:47
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#50
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Croatia Sorrym8
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
2015-12-16 02:48
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#52
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Finland Kurppa
Props to Valve for actually listening to us and making a post regarding the changes. EDIT: I was actually just getting used to the new spray just before the revert. :(
2015-12-16 02:48
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#53
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kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR
WE DID IT MOM tnks mr gaben <3
2015-12-16 02:48
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#54
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Fiji edgy_man
ty i guess
2015-12-16 02:48
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#55
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United Kingdom FullSpe3d
ty valve
2015-12-16 02:49
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now the silvers are happy xD
2015-12-16 02:49
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#58
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Brazil danielsaan
MY 5-7 IS BACK ayy
2015-12-16 02:49
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#59
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f0rest | 
Argentina evilized
thanks for god sake
2015-12-16 02:50
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#61
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Sweden godf0rest
Now remove CS:GO and update 1.6 instead.
2015-12-16 02:50
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#193
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Indonesia OnlineJW
Won't happen tho CS:GO gives them more money than 1.6 and more popular now, doubt they would throw that all just to make a more competitive atmosphere
2015-12-16 04:22
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That wasn't even a good b8
2015-12-16 06:33
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#62
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Brazil RisenNTC
NOICE
2015-12-16 02:50
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#63
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Norway adeyo
next sounds and awp
2015-12-16 02:50
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#65
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Kasidro
Could have kept the pistol nerf
2015-12-16 02:51
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#66
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shox | 
Nigeria moonman33
1st time valve made an update for the people, wish they did this with the awp nerf :é
2015-12-16 02:51
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#68
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Finland kommunisti
thanks valve
2015-12-16 02:52
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#70
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BDSM | 
United States Alinity
THANK GOD
2015-12-16 02:52
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#71
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United Kingdom Alth
ITS CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!
2015-12-16 02:53
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I'm happy about reverting the rifle nerfs (because that is what they were, straight up) but rather than completely reverting the pistol nerfs I would've rather they toyed with the values a little. I liked the pistol changes for the most part except that I would've reverted the glock to pre-patch and reduced the penalty on USP-S and P2k. Whatever, I'm happy they killed the patch except for the r8, changing mechanics that have been in place since release (mostly) for... no reason is pants on head retarded.
2015-12-16 02:53
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#75
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Brazil romp
TY VOLVO <3
2015-12-16 02:53
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#77
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Finland Miksaw0w
ty volvo
2015-12-16 02:53
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#78
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African Union Im_Adopted
YESSSSSSSS!
2015-12-16 02:54
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ye bro? spraying is back bro?
2015-12-16 02:54
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#80
Faceit level 9 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Finland caqtor
Finally we're seeing some good work from Valve, my lovely dad.
2015-12-16 02:54
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Terrorists win.
2015-12-16 02:54
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#82
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Poland Maliken
nice :D but they shouldn`t reverse pistols
2015-12-16 02:55
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#83
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Slovakia MOONKey1
this made me more happy than it should, but FUCK YEAH!!!! christmas came early
2015-12-16 03:00
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#85
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
FalleN | 
Brazil HunterSk
yes my frends, YES!!
2015-12-16 02:56
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#86
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Australia GO_Tor
fucking hell, why make changes if you're just going to roll it back a week later... too many whiny cunts bitching about the changes, learn to fucking adapt you ass drippings..
2015-12-16 02:57
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#108
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Ex6TenZ | 
Norway orcaM
This. And why revert pistols if anything? This was exactly what we wanted and asked for. Damn, when valve starts flipflopping, we know we're fucked...
2015-12-16 03:05
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4 replies
#195
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Indonesia OnlineJW
Not many people were asking for the pistol nerf,but everyone was glad when it was nerfed :(
2015-12-16 04:25
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3 replies
#201
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Ex6TenZ | 
Norway orcaM
CS players asked for it, however run and gun cod players didnt want it... CSGO finally started to feel like a cs game.
2015-12-16 04:42
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2 replies
#409
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Other c.dallas
Stfu, we all agreed about the pistol nerf, but adapting to randomness in terms of rifles? Fuck off
2015-12-16 13:56
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1 reply
#500
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Australia GO_Tor
I was doing just fine with the rifles, if that's not adapting, I don't know what is.. also it wasn't random, just slightly different.. calm your tits..
2015-12-17 03:04
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#313
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Sweden Affeproffs
you can't adapt to RNG though.
2015-12-16 10:36
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#429
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Norway Venomist.FNC
adapting to RNG in sprays? Go away you dirty nova.
2015-12-16 14:17
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#446
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Estonia swag420weed
Yes, adapt to rng spray, gg
2015-12-16 15:00
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#88
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SolEk | 
Australia hontestly
this is why reddit was invented
2015-12-16 02:58
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1 reply
Reddit was invented to put all the creeps and fkn weirdos of the world on to one site, that's the sole purpose it was invented. Oh it also makes people think they are cool for some reason? A website actually does that LOL.
2015-12-16 07:14
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#90
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World sergioff
NOICE!
2015-12-16 02:59
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valve are gaining consciousness thats very pleasing to see
2015-12-16 02:59
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#94
Faceit level 7 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Portugal dracø
victory!!!!
2015-12-16 03:00
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saved KappaRoss
2015-12-16 03:00
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#98
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Morocco urachicho
HOLY FUCK VALVE, i lost my shit since the update i couldnt play the game anymore (couldnt remember the new sprays), THANK YOU!
2015-12-16 03:02
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#99
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roman | 
Palestine ndr[o]
according to that post on reddit with all the data how the inaccuracy kicked in and was in 1.6 and csgo. it's for the best if csgo has the same calculation and formula implemented from 1.6. csgo encourages you to spray in any situation.
2015-12-16 03:03
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#100
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Norway ripazha
"they will try to find another way to balance different styles of shooting." It's already balanced. For fuck sake, Valve!
2015-12-16 03:02
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5 replies
#123
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Slovakia MOONKey1
make crouch moving spray inacurate, make 1st shot 100% accurate and we are good to go imo
2015-12-16 03:12
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3 replies
#419
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Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo
Fucking love moving crouch spraying tho ;_;
2015-12-16 14:06
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2 replies
#421
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Slovakia MOONKey1
yeah, i do it too, but its stupid :D
2015-12-16 14:09
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1 reply
#423
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Xeno | 
Netherlands Xenoo
Mahh you're a very slow moving target, I don't see the big fuss.
2015-12-16 14:10
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#149
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Europe saviOOOr
it's balanced? are u retarded? or just a newfag that started cs this year? cs:go right now is literally ONLY spraying which is bad cs should be about switching fluidly between styles bursting/tapping/spraying and balancing them out with movement that's what made f0rest so special stop trying to dumb the game down cause all you can do is MOUSE1 and learn a spray pattern right now only spray is viable
2015-12-16 03:32
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#103
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Estonia BlameS
it was incredibly hard to play against a team of cheaters with the "shit spray" update, lost a 12-3 on Nuke because of that.
2015-12-16 03:04
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#105
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France Amamiya
Well, I got used to this update to be honest. I don't think it was that big of a deal. I saw so many more people just crouching and spraying, failing so hard- I just had to strafe out and burst them. They couldn't so easily run and gun on eco rounds either. Pistol rounds were more similar to how they were in 1.6 You just had to spray on short/medium distances and tap on long distances. You also had to make sure you killed your targets as fast as possible (which good players usually do) instead of just crouching and spraying when you failed your first 4-5 bullets. The revert should have been done in a few months- I think some gameplay changes can be nice to change the meta from time to time. I think it's sad it's been reverted already but at the same time, it's not a huge deal either- we've all been used to this for months.
2015-12-16 03:05
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thank youuuuuuu!!!
2015-12-16 03:05
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#109
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North America oldshoe
back to the drawing board. hopefully the next attempt is more incremental, sweeping stuff like this is never going to work now.
2015-12-16 03:05
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#110
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden HltvReferee
Fantastic, Valve! Thank you for listening to the community.
2015-12-16 03:07
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#112
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Portugal -RaZeK
has the R8 changed to 1 shot 1 kill again or the "pistol changes" only changes the tec-9 , 5-7 , etc. sprays?
2015-12-16 03:07
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2 replies
#126
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Australia BCP
no the r8 nerf is still in place of course
2015-12-16 03:14
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1 reply
#178
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Portugal -RaZeK
thanks lord gaben
2015-12-16 03:55
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#113
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Argentina EnvyJ
Nice, time to get my aim back now
2015-12-16 03:08
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#114
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Brunei Jizzy
Well done reddit, all I can say. Good thing.
2015-12-16 03:09
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#115
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Brunei T0Rsz
NOW TIME CHANGES BACK
2015-12-16 03:10
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#118
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Sweden fued
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2015-12-16 03:10
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#120
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Belgium Sicario_
tbh was one of best updates so far only some spray low rank newbs where crying not good except for the revolver nerf ofc
2015-12-16 03:10
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#121
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Brazil luaudesign
TACO should be good again with this :O
2015-12-16 03:11
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#124
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Austria fickarschfotze
thank god! wow, what a step - respect valve!
2015-12-16 03:13
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#125
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Japan mameloff
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL ty Santa Claus
2015-12-16 03:14
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#127
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Germany Babado
It's a christmas miracle.
2015-12-16 03:15
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#128
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Sweden X-rAy
make things everyday more random, no skill only random shit. #csgoRANDOM #noskill "the changes that added a random factor to spraying with three most popular rifles, AK-47, M4A1-S and M4A4" THE GAME IS ALREADY so fuking random and they wanted to make it a bit even more.
2015-12-16 03:16
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#156
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France breezy0
+1 instead of increasing first shot accuracy in order to reward good aimers they make it more random LOL
2015-12-16 03:35
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1 reply
#375
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Belgium 7zp
This! Someone with the same view. It's so annoying to be sprayed down with an ak47 from long distances with the first 5 bullets. Tapping and bursting used to be more rewarding back in 1.6/css and now lots of new players in lem - global are barely able to shoot bursting headshots, but now just get away with the easy spraying. It removes a whole skillgap. Tapping with the AK in last weeks update felt so good in my opinion.
2015-12-16 12:41
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#129
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Poland sajlent
Now I can say that this is an update that everybody asked for gz volvo
2015-12-16 03:16
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#131
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Korea OGKoala
Yess valve thank you!
2015-12-16 03:19
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#133
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Poland Heyda
Valve hire me, I got all the answers.
2015-12-16 03:20
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#134
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Czech Republic byfo1991
"they will try to find another way to balance different styles of shooting" ... this scares me a lot. The game mechanics and most of the weapons are almost perfectly balanced as they are right now. Why can't they just leave them alone already???
2015-12-16 03:22
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#151
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Europe saviOOOr
it's balanced? are u retarded? or just a newfag that started cs this year? cs:go right now is literally ONLY spraying which is bad cs should be about switching fluidly between styles bursting/tapping/spraying and balancing them out with movement that's what made f0rest so special stop trying to dumb the game down cause all you can do is MOUSE1 and learn a spray pattern right now only spray is viable
2015-12-16 03:33
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3 replies
#173
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Sweden scarlet//
and here we have someone who knows what he is talking about +10 this game is so stupid and noob friendly.
2015-12-16 03:51
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1 reply
#267
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Bulgaria FrostNixon
While I agree with his statement, this is not a noob friendly or stupid FPS game, try CoD and BF.
2015-12-16 08:54
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#499
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Czech Republic byfo1991
I get what you are saying but the last patch didn't do tapshooting any good. It mad everything worse with the spraying being nerfed the most. Retarted fake flagger.
2015-12-17 02:07
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#135
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Portugal zxismassive
Thank you JasonRRR
2015-12-16 03:23
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#137
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Sweden agzbagz
YES!
2015-12-16 03:24
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welcome back csgo
2015-12-16 03:25
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#139
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Germany DerMitDemBlunt
Praise Gaben !!!
2015-12-16 03:27
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report valve
2015-12-16 03:28
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#143
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Poland ChillOuter
thanks
2015-12-16 03:28
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I was actually hoping to let it play out so I could use the Aug and SSG a bit more..
2015-12-16 03:28
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#145
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Sweden vollehboi
The less RNG the better, BUT csgo wasnt a perfect game before that shit winterupdate. The idea of buffing tapping was a really good thing. Now we didnt get that because they had to screw up the spraying. The pistol changes was also a very good idea, why would they revert that change. Wtf Valve!
2015-12-16 03:29
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#450
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Estonia swag420weed
Volvo are retards, because by making bullets more random, it also makes tapping shit
2015-12-16 15:07
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yay
2015-12-16 03:30
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#150
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Romania Nazgul19
Good job community and good job valve for listening, i think it's the first time they changed back after such a massive update, good to know the players matter (a bit but still). Regarding the pistols, i think only the tec9 should have been nerfed a bit, the rest of the pistols were ok (or are ok now with this revert), specially the glock shouldn't have been touched in the first place.
2015-12-16 03:32
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I honestly wasn't expecting this & I gained a lot of respect for valve. I'm not fully backing them yet because I want to see more active discussion with devs taking place with the community. Not this shit where we scream at the top of our lungs, and then we get a blog post. Active communication and discussion is NEEDED to avoid this kind of mistake from happening again. And not just with pro players even though they should get most of the attention. So happy about this. Now they get to start with a clean slate, and adjust the pistols accordingly and not just throw some arbitrary doubling effect on their move inaccuracy values. And they can actually find a way to make tapping & bursting more viable without nerfing sprays. It may be harder to accomplish but it will better the game overall. First suggestion: change the spread increase value from the 1st shot, to the 2nd and 3rd shot. Make it a smaller value. This would make the 2nd and 3rd bullets more accurate(like was the case in 1.6) but not make the following bullets any more accurate than they are now as to try and keep sprays how they are. This would make double & triple taps more viable, and it wouldn't increase first shot accuracy either, which they don't want to do it seems.
2015-12-16 03:39
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#158
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Canada theRage
Still no scoreboard bug fix, no first bullet accuracy fix, no sound fix, ect... Can't believe we're playing a competitive SHOOTER game where your bullets don't even go straight half the time. (first bullet accuracy) You can't make tapping a viable option until you fix first bullet accuracy. Simple as that.
2015-12-16 03:36
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#163
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roman | 
Palestine ndr[o]
valve obviously don't know jack shit about cs. they're the killers of the original counter-strike for a reason.
2015-12-16 03:39
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#314
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Germany CyanApple
i.imgur.com/xFYbasv.jpg first shot never was 100% accurate
2015-12-16 10:37
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2 replies
#491
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Canada theRage
That graph was built from spray data, not tapping data. Also, data should begin at 0 and 0, which this graph doesn't. Makes the whole report questionable.
2015-12-16 20:46
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#492
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Germany CyanApple
The graphs show the first 19 shots of a spray. The first shot is shown with a time-delay of 0.2 seconds as can be seen in the code gist.github.com/Lauler/85f1f6599cb1f9c3d.. Also, the first shot of a spray is the same as the first of a tap, obviously.
2015-12-16 21:19
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Thank you VALVE, we appreciate.
2015-12-16 03:37
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#161
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Portugal Flakkes
Just don't change the rifles. If you want to change something change the Tec9
2015-12-16 03:37
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#164
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United Kingdom ayekuf
Still mongs for doing it in the first place.
2015-12-16 03:41
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#166
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Brazil Rohe
Pistols noooooooooooo! :/
2015-12-16 03:42
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#168
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ad3m | 
Sweden RealSMB
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
2015-12-16 03:45
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#169
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World tazman1ac
finally
2015-12-16 03:46
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#170
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Spain Ayrr
Pistols need better work, not like just come and fuck the accuracy in every pistols and just move one. Glad they reverted it, some pistols need to do a bit more damage and some get the accuracy a bit nerfed like it was. Glad to see the riffles are back, glad about this overall.
2015-12-16 03:47
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#208
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United States WilbuRsson
No more 97 in 8 with the glock? No more 89 in 6 with the p2k?
2015-12-16 05:07
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#171
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flusha | 
Norway Skagos
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES VICTORY
2015-12-16 03:48
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#172
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States KiIIah
Wow I was actually good with the new recoil, ohwell shit happens
2015-12-16 03:50
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#174
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NanardBE | 
France Xerma
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
2015-12-16 03:52
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Gaben ! thanks !!! we LOVE YOU !!
2015-12-16 03:53
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#176
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Belarus Starvoid
WE DID IT REDDIT FUK YEAH
2015-12-16 03:53
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#179
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Indonesia yoztpetra2
I like the riffle nerf but since there's so many salty redditer out there who wants the ez spray back I guess I'll just accept it :/
2015-12-16 03:56
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#180
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Japan zet3
no. pistol nerf with moving was good.
2015-12-16 03:57
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#181
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Other Android #17
damn volvo fck sprayers
2015-12-16 03:58
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#182
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Brazil VladMakarov
The nerf and the R8 were a decoy of something great. Embraces yourselves.
2015-12-16 03:58
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#183
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United States obi_wan_kobe
lol I don't see the difference. There is still tons of RNG while tapping
2015-12-16 04:01
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There always had been. Including in 1.6
2015-12-16 14:23
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#185
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Australia ZhangsterWil
Changes they should be making: - Decrease pistol movement accuracy, but increase standing/crouching accuracy for pistols - Instead of increasing round time, decrease smoke time by 2-3 seconds, trim the clock fat for players and viewers. - Reduce bomb time to 35 seconds, more fat trimming. - Fix nade randomness, where random things like one small bump shield 100% of the damage. - to promote tap and burst over spray, increase accuracy of the first few bullets of rifles to promote skill aiming - nerf jump scouting or increase its price - add a skill buff to awp, since ppl are regularly fast scoping and noscoping close range anyway, reduce the randomness by increasing fastscope accuracy These are immediate changes that would improve the game straight away in my opinion, hope valve would consider any of these in next update.
2015-12-16 04:07
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#197
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Indonesia OnlineJW
Agreed except with the pistol I'd rather have them having less accuracy than walking like a snail with it,but it's pretty reasonable
2015-12-16 04:29
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#316
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Germany CyanApple
making people crouch in order to be accurate with a pistol is a great way to stop the run and gun imo. this should be the way to go
2015-12-16 10:42
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#187
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United States The_Strang3r
They fucked up big time trying to do something to increase sales for the holidays. I still can't believe Valve's CS:GO dev team thought it was a good time to fundamentally change the mechanics of the game after all of it's recent success. In theory it sounded good, but it should have been implemented about 3 years ago when the entire community was begging for 1.6 style spray patterns/recoil control.
2015-12-16 04:08
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#188
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Poland zerbinos
it's ballsy to revert it tbh. you just have to listen the community or you're just shooting yourself to leg. I personally had too big of a problem with the update, but reverting it is kind of relief.
2015-12-16 04:14
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#190
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Belgium loftzu
ok half life 3 confirmed
2015-12-16 04:15
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#194
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Italy babilonte
Ns make the game more easy for unskilled player .
2015-12-16 04:24
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nice!
2015-12-16 04:36
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#202
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United Kingdom dezmondo
great news, beside the fact they reverted the pistol nerf also. why was it hard to see that they got the pistol nerf right but at the same time introduced the most op pistol ever, AND tried to fix what wasn't broken with the rifle and timing changes? all they had to do was revert the rifle changes (and the timing changes which they didnt) but leave the pistol nerfs. valve just in full retard mode.
2015-12-16 04:42
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#207
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United States WilbuRsson
The lesbian girl I banged last week has also reverted, so its not all good news on the reverted front.
2015-12-16 05:05
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Bang her lesbian partner next so that she can mother WilbuR's son.
2015-12-16 05:19
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#210
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United States CH!NO xL
REJOICE MY BRETHERN
2015-12-16 05:21
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#211
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Sweden sebb7
Hahaha. First of all; THANKS VAVLE FOR ACTUALLY LISTENING. Second; what the fuck were they thinking?
2015-12-16 05:22
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#298
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World Bushyba
csgo_dev got a little bit of drunk
2015-12-16 09:57
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#212
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World Spaisi
wooooo
2015-12-16 05:24
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#213
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ropz | 
Asia notzkah
they shouldn't revert tec9 and five-seven/cz nerf ;(
2015-12-16 05:28
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#214
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Portugal JonhyBot
Im glad they did it, and i hope they get the pros more involved in the game development...but the question now is: so what did they update in the update?
2015-12-16 05:29
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#215
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advent | 
United States ToastytheBaker
OMG VALVE I LOVE YOU NOW
2015-12-16 05:31
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#216
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United States Sandays
Reverting rifles and pistols was a bitch move by Valve. Nerfing R8 made sense but putting ALL pistols back makes no sense. Only thing that really needed changing was glock, p2k and usp to their original form. They should have come up with a new way to fix rifles instead of just putting them back to the way they were (like maybe decreasing spread when bursting and tapping or something if the like) Stuff like this will just make people think that they can get the awp reverted instead of Valve changing in their own way. I understand Valve should listen to the complaints of the community but bending to their will like this is pretty unbecoming.
2015-12-16 05:35
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#218
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Australia n0lsk1
I don't get it, if they wanna make tapping a more viable alternative then just make the first bullet 100% accurate?
2015-12-16 05:51
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#220
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Aerial | 
Denmark Esgar
I liked the changes to pistols overall. it seemed like a better balance for pistol rounds, with terrorist not just running and throwing instant glock hs left, right and center. as well as it increased the "skill" it would require to get followup force buys won. Adding new weapons to the game i think is really tricky, it's more things to balance against, and everything cant be competitive, as one will always be superior, if only by a small margin. Have you considered only allowing some load out slots for the competitive scene, while allowing other more "fun" alternatives for non-competitive matches? As for the outcry, i believe you could avoid some of it, if you introduced some sort of beta-testing of these changes. Does Valve have a publicly announced targeted audience? is this game meant to be played competitively or is it's primary goal to appeal to the masses of casual players? I'd suggest you introduce this "beta content" to whichever audience you aim to appeal to.
2015-12-16 05:57
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#253
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Finland jeesbus
I liked pistols too, pistol rounds were really different! CT's being more static and T's needed to use smokes to get on sites. Although it was pretty easy to guess where T's rushed on first rounds (hint: there where are narrow corridors)
2015-12-16 08:04
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#221
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Iran LazyBones
" we failed to anticipate that our community wants to run and gun like retards, so we're reverting the changes "
2015-12-16 05:59
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#222
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Sweden wyv0
I liked the new pistols though...
2015-12-16 06:02
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#224
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Sweden zLEOJ/oo7
new pistols were good. gaben isn't the bossman of volvo, money is, and that's why cs:go sucks.
2015-12-16 06:03
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#223
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United States generalmajorah
Everyone liked the pistol nerfs though, the main complaint was the rifle change. I can't tell if Valve is just being childish and throwing out the whole patch because the community didn't like one aspect of it or if they're really that out of touch.
2015-12-16 06:03
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#225
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Portugal vastik
n1 valve, finally! :D
2015-12-16 06:11
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1 reply
#226
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Portugal DIXONdb
reported s0z
2015-12-16 06:12
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#227
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Kazakhstan Laggy
We did it!
2015-12-16 06:16
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#228
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Sweden Busfisk
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :^))))))))))))) They noticed the daily player peak dropping by 200k! Thank you for clearly communicating your plans to not only revert this change but to further actually improve it in better thought through ways in the future. The pistol movement spread was a good idea as it was though and deserves to be tested, but maybe in a beta client like you seem to be suggesting. Thank you Volvo. Now while you're at it with even further improvement over what CSGO has previously had, please rework the AWP to work more like in 1.6 too, with no scope blur or bobbing and with movement speed in scope restored to 150 BUT WITH THE TRADE-OFF of making it less accurate when only near stationary to better reward perfect counter strafing and making peaking more difficult but still viable. This would be another step in making the game more skillful and allowing for more versatile play and I would send you actual physical love letters. And maybe make all the alternative loadout weapons into functional clones of their counterparts, because efforts to balance them through unconventional means like absurd ammo limitations or the trigger delay on the R8 are frankly failed and misguided, not to call them gimmicky. The USP/p2k and m4a4/m4a1-s problem that arises should be addressed by giving them all silencers (make silencers black on skins that don't already have custom silencers. It looks natural and perfectly fine, as for example here: csgostash.com/img/skins/s234.png ). As for the function of the guns, give them the values of the original weapons (p2k and m4a4) and make the silencer damage drop-off but also damage, but leave accuracy unaltered. And revert the killjoy ladder climbing speed change. That was unnecessary too.
2015-12-16 06:18
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what they should of revered aswell was their dogshit timers.....
2015-12-16 06:33
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Meh, I prefer the 40 second bomb timer and the round time change has had no effect on me at all, so whatever. Should be 35 seconds like in ESEA.
2015-12-16 06:46
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it changes the way how u play several maps and how u will hold angles totally.... 35 seconds best id say 40 seconds for ct's to retake in a already partially ct sided game....to much honestly
2015-12-16 17:40
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#231
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Greenland ALBiNh0
wow Valve got balls to accept they were wrong
2015-12-16 06:45
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#234
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Germany LANDWHALE
Yeeeeessss, I can finally ay CS again :D
2015-12-16 06:46
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#235
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Ukraine TheUnity
"Huge nerf to the revolver" ahaha too funny
2015-12-16 06:55
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#237
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Luxembourg alex24
not the pistols :((( i made like 600 frags with five-seven in two days on DM five-seven vs ak47 = five-seven wins
2015-12-16 07:01
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#239
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Austria benji789
omg why! the pistol nerf was good!!
2015-12-16 07:05
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#243
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Finland Variksenmarja
Thx volvo<3
2015-12-16 07:23
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#247
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World mikkeleleee
Gabe <3
2015-12-16 07:38
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#248
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World jgrhm
We protested, Valve listened. ty volverino <3
2015-12-16 07:51
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#249
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Ukraine MacheteAk47
YES!!!! Im impressed valve admit to mistake. Love you Valve!
2015-12-16 07:55
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i almost cried so happy
2015-12-16 07:57
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Some good stuff in here, much appreciated valve
2015-12-16 07:59
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#252
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tabseN | 
France shoxAttorney
So at least during christmas :-.)..
2015-12-16 08:02
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#254
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World PlogBenny
All we want is less RNG valve. Thats it
2015-12-16 08:06
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#259
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China  Tiger
less rng and no more lag compensate. im sick of getting headshotted while im behind walls just to appear i wasnt behind wall after all - or shoot at a guy somewhere where his model appears to be but actually not getting the kill because hitbox isnt right there because lag compensation
2015-12-16 08:25
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#354
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World ZMDR
+1 its fucking annoying to play with high ping
2015-12-16 12:04
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#255
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Indonesia Cuube
Finally volvo did something right <3
2015-12-16 08:12
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YES!
2015-12-16 08:15
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#258
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China  Tiger
so they made pistols less accurate while running - which makes this game better - and then make it back so that pussies that never played counterstrike before could keep on running around like shittardds spamming their pistols and getting lucky? valve is defined by stupidity. fucking worst devs ever
2015-12-16 08:22
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#262
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Denmark Pomis
I agree with you in some parts. But the only good thing about the glock was that you could run and gun. Otherwise the USP would just be far to suprerior. But with the other pistols i totally agree
2015-12-16 08:34
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#265
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United States gotrice541
The thing is the range for the run and gun in CSGO spans all the way to long range all they do is tap tap tap at long range and crouch spam
2015-12-16 08:48
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#382
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f0rest | 
Ukraine lukas_ua
+1 pistols have to be less powerful. otherwise people don't care too much about buy rounds. why indeed if they can "force". there are too many buy rounds that shouldnt be lost and force round that shouldnt be won. both in mm and pro
2015-12-16 13:14
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#260
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f0rest | 
Russia 1.6 FTW
it means i can adadada with five seven again? <3 volvo
2015-12-16 08:27
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Well done
2015-12-16 08:46
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#270
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Norway ForfA
Still 1:55 round timers and 0:45 bomb timers, volvo ples.
2015-12-16 09:00
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#274
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United Kingdom peaks
THERE IS A GOD
2015-12-16 09:09
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#276
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Germany WEEABOOCRINGEBOYS
SAVED
2015-12-16 09:11
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#287
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States obi_wan_kobe
I wish the blog talked something about CS DNA
2015-12-16 09:32
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#290
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Tauson | 
Germany GNSHP
Don't had any problems with the last update now i am die again against this fucking running and gunning o.O
2015-12-16 09:35
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#294
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Germany Weisswurst
The pistols were amazing... They changed the game to being random again on ecos :( Spray had to be reverted though.
2015-12-16 09:40
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#295
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Netherlands xeoN!
Good job v0lv0!
2015-12-16 09:52
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#300
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World sexyplaiboi
maybe im takin the shit now but valve is right. at the Moment this game is run gun and this makes the game stupid random. u shouldnt spray on every range wie m4 and ak. rungun pistols are ridiculous too it was better with nerfed pistols because u needed to stay a Moment for Shooting. but this is only a Thing old 1.6 veterans enjoyed. Generation call of duty want a game a monkey can handle
2015-12-16 10:00
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5-7, p250 were fine but ok (5-7 movement was defenitley OP).. i am glad the reverted the update and nerfed the revolver... what i actually would like to see is nearly 100 % accuracy for 1shot by standing stil or crouching stil, a1 needs a little rpm buff like 600 -> 630/635 ... and spraying at distance should be harder to handle.. but what valve did was pretty much nerfed all style of shootings with the rifles (tapping, bursting and spraying) ... if they can handle a good update which makes bursting and tapping more viable than it is now i would appreciate it. ... and maybe a bigger map pool with new nuke + old season + some sort of cpl_mill my 2 cents
2015-12-16 10:06
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thanks volvo
2015-12-16 10:07
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#305
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Finland RaptoRStillAlive
wow we did it boyz
2015-12-16 10:10
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#306
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Latvia pRopaaNS
What the, no nerf to R8??
2015-12-16 10:10
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#308
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Russia gr4vis
So, i didn't get, pistols update also got reverted or what?
2015-12-16 10:15
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"AK-47, M4A1-S and M4A4, as well as all pistols have been reverted in tonight's update." What part you not gettin'?
2015-12-16 10:25
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#315
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France Innocent_fr
WE DID IT HLTV! ALL HAIL THE WHINERS!!
2015-12-16 10:40
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#318
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Denmark Frankie
thank yoooou
2015-12-16 10:45
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#319
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Greece Troboni
"Reverted recent changes to pistols" FACEPALM
2015-12-16 10:47
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#320
Faceit level 7 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Poland w1ntermu7e
How to turn off the killer reply?
2015-12-16 10:49
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#321
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Spain chanSw0w
Merry xmas!
2015-12-16 10:55
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#322
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Russia S1naRk
omg volvo comeback m4a1s
2015-12-16 10:57
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#324
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dv | 
United Kingdom dv-_-
Tbh the game is dog shit either way, might as well make it easier for the kids
2015-12-16 11:02
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#327
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Brazil cristiadu
^ said the guy of the country with no pro team whatsoever Jokes aside, the pistols do need to be nerfed, but not the way they did. It should be one by one, by realizing which is the advantage of each. For me USP-S and glock, for example, shouldn't be nerfed.
2015-12-16 11:10
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#333
Faceit level 9 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kioShiMa | 
Australia PoissonRouge
Im glad most changes were reverted, not sure about round timers though, five seven at least also needed a nerf
2015-12-16 11:18
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#338
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Yugoslavia frilpann
great
2015-12-16 11:30
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#339
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Finland siloquez
Anyone else getting crashes instantly on CSGO matchmaking? Tried playing yesterday with 3 reboots and now I have 7day cooldowns. So nice.
2015-12-16 11:32
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#380
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f0rest | 
India compL1
happened with me also. Whenever i find a game and connect, my pc gets shut down
2015-12-16 13:06
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#418
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United States Xit ^_^
If you knew it happened once, why not try to play a Deathmatch or a random mode besides ranked to test out if its still bugged? The last 2 are on you, my friend.
2015-12-16 14:03
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#432
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Finland siloquez
Lol dude I tried to play one matchmaking game, and tried to reconnect to the same match three times. Everytime I got hard crash where only PC hard restarting helps, nothing else. It happened on de_train if it matters anything.. I tried to reconnect to game and verified stuff etc but it didn't help. I haven't played a game since and these are the reasons we have alt accounts anyway.
2015-12-16 14:19
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thanks volvo
2015-12-16 11:40
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#348
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Poland ejmilc
Fucking valve pistol update was good and nobody wanted to revert it but of course valve must everything opposite their stupidity is beyond everything. What leads them?
2015-12-16 11:47
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I might be completely retarded but for some reason I am so much better at tapping and spraying with the new update... please don't judge XD
2015-12-16 12:05
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#356
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Poland Tarziii
god exists
2015-12-16 12:08
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So the old m4a1s is back??? I still dont feel it's changed back tho
2015-12-16 12:09
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2 replies
#359
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SpawN | 
Netherlands militanthumanist
The old m4a1-s is not back, last week's rifle change got reverted.
2015-12-16 12:14
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1 reply
Ty
2015-12-16 12:15
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#358
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Belgium ShaGgYY
I liked the pistol changes :(
2015-12-16 12:11
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#364
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Brazil MafiosoSA
Good job Volvo!
2015-12-16 12:20
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#365
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World chlenixon
m4a1 is still slow and boring, dont ask.
2015-12-16 12:20
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#367
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden goodprada
fuck valve i got used so fucking much to new one AND WHAT? DA FUCKING RECOVER
2015-12-16 12:25
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#368
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Kyrgyzstan kreJzien
NOW NERF P90 AND I WILL GIVE YOU ALL MY MONEY IN KEYS!!! (it was quite good to feel the power of my "tapper-style" while others suckd hard at it)
2015-12-16 12:28
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#427
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United States Xit ^_^
Nerf P90? You must be silver. Do you also want the Mac-10 nerfed as well?
2015-12-16 14:16
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#504
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Kyrgyzstan kreJzien
With these reverts this game is just getting easier again for the brainless fpsmasters... Example on d2: people are running & spraying to A site from pit, and they get the HS even if they are not really controlling the spray, not even trying to aim. You cant do the same with ak,m4, etc. But I guess its fine for you since you are the running & spraying guy, one in a million. I'd prefer a game that requires brain function to a game which needs only a lot of fps but nothing else. (Im playing since 2006, ive been some local lan events and online cups, etc but it doesnt really matter at all. Maybe it is annoying me because I used to play older Counter-Strike versions which required some thinking)
2015-12-17 12:32
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#370
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mimi | 
Sweden eNvym
It was fucking good why change it back ffs...
2015-12-16 12:34
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#374
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Sweden goodprada
+1
2015-12-16 12:40
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#379
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Montenegro jackALL
lol idiot, more inaccurate weapons, more RNG = better? Silver4lyfe
2015-12-16 13:01
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9 replies
#425
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Sweden goodprada
it was actually better for 1.6 players..
2015-12-16 14:14
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4 replies
#452
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Portugal HelloBro
I played 1.6 for 4 years and it wasn't better for me . RNG = bad , the type of RNG in cs 1.6 was very different .
2015-12-16 15:21
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3 replies
#488
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Sweden goodprada
i was playing like a fucking king with this rng
2015-12-16 20:13
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2 replies
#489
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Portugal HelloBro
Because it was fitting your playstyle :P
2015-12-16 20:35
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1 reply
#506
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Sweden goodprada
ye i guess :)
2015-12-17 13:16
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#484
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
mimi | 
Sweden eNvym
more inaccurate weapons? what the fuck are you talking about. the last update was good except the revolver part. you could spray in short distance but you had to aim in long distance. with the short-spray it was easy to take out noobs who run and gun with a fiveseven. and for long rage it was easy and nice to aim. ur a bot probably
2015-12-16 18:53
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#497
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Montenegro jackALL
both spraying and tapping got nerfed, spraying just got nerfed more so tapping appeared to "feel" better, but still both got nerfed. If you are clueless you shouldnt be posting but hey, its HLTV so feel welcome. Also 100% higher or the exact same rank as you chucklefuck.
2015-12-17 00:47
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2 replies
#508
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mimi | 
Sweden eNvym
ur from marocco man wtf do you know about this game. only thing u retarded arabs do is scream in mm like a moron i have been a part of counter strike for more then 9 years i bet that u got shit on that
2015-12-17 17:00
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#509
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Montenegro jackALL
Good boy, dont respond to any of my points cause you now realise you were talking nonsense and write some incoherent stuff based on a flag I picked cause it looked nice. That's the somalian way.
2015-12-17 18:06
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#372
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Slovenia k1d89
Fuck u valve gun and pistol update was good only revolvo was bad!
2015-12-16 12:37
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#377
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Ukraine lukas_ua
haven't noticed whatever they are reverting :)
2015-12-16 12:52
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5 replies
#381
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Germany WEEABOOCRINGEBOYS
silver spotted
2015-12-16 13:13
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4 replies
#383
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Ukraine lukas_ua
and I spotted an idiot with nothing to say
2015-12-16 13:16
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3 replies
#393
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World LeviathaNz
He is right tho, if you did not see the changes you are silver at this game. Or just playing it really casually.
2015-12-16 13:21
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#399
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Ukraine lukas_ua
or maybe I just a good aimer with tons of experience and don't care about new and shitty weapons
2015-12-16 13:28
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#417
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel
well you could stand in front of a wall, spray few times and you would see a difference
2015-12-16 14:02
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#384
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Slovenia yung_voodoo
man this community is fucking retarded, you cry like idiots for a whole week and then when you get what you want you fucking tell them to revert it back again... idiotism at its finest
2015-12-16 13:16
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#462
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Estonia swag420weed
Community cried whole week about rifles, not pistols, but volvo is childish and told that if we don't like the nerf, we will take away good parts also...
2015-12-16 16:12
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#464
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States Xit ^_^
you can't call a community "retarded" when you have "<3 osama" in your name
2015-12-16 16:15
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3 replies
#466
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Slovenia yung_voodoo
and u stupid murican dont know shit about this player so stfu
2015-12-16 16:18
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2 replies
#487
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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World Bushyba
he probably tought its about bin laden ayy. its macedonian player afaik
2015-12-16 19:42
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1 reply
#490
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Slovenia yung_voodoo
mericans.. what can you do..
2015-12-16 20:36
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#385
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Finland thaizntgoud
new spray was better...
2015-12-16 13:17
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1 reply
#387
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Germany stmartiN
u cereal?
2015-12-16 13:18
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#386
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Germany stmartiN
thx valvo, i appreciate
2015-12-16 13:17
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#391
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World LeviathaNz
Thanks Valve, hope you will know have the pro players test & help you to bring new content/fixes to the game. If you want to do it right, you should have a small amount of testers with different profiles, like 15 pros, 15 semi pro, 15 try harders, 15 casuals. I know for a fact that Ubisoft uses 100 persons per target audience depending on the games. It's a good way to test stuff & come with something balanced. Of course the pro should have the edge on most things because they are promoting your game so hard and they love it so much... Not the same from someone just playing it 2hours a week :)
2015-12-16 13:20
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#404
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Switzerland CHEDEL
+1 especially for "big changes"
2015-12-16 13:39
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#392
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
gabs | 
Europe GandalfThePimp
good guy volvo?
2015-12-16 13:20
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#394
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Belgium teh_cyborg
N1 valva showing their interest for teh community
2015-12-16 13:21
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#395
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United Kingdom Oxna
WHY?? I was finally able to get headshots with m4 tapping
2015-12-16 13:23
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#397
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Belgium FnX^
i'm gonna get so much hate for saying this but , THEY SHOULDVE NEVER GONE BACK TO THESE RETARD SPRAYERS -_-'so shit -_-'
2015-12-16 13:26
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5 replies
#413
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Czech Republic Markella
scream fanboy spotted
2015-12-16 14:00
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#465
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Estonia swag420weed
Wtf, you can learn this spray, but not that rng shit volvo forced to use. Also the changes made tapping/bursting worse. They should just make 3 first bullets more accurate and leave everything else like it is...
2015-12-16 16:16
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#476
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Belgium FnX^
well the thing is that sprayers are so overpowered compared to tappers the thing i actually liked about the update is that they can't spray me down from 500km away so yea ...
2015-12-16 17:28
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#478
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Estonia swag420weed
And you cant burst also from 500km with nerf, basically was forced to 1 tap slowly and get the sweet hs... Spraying that isnt full rng is actually good as a person with better spraycontroll wins, not based on luck...
2015-12-16 17:35
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#481
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Belgium FnX^
tbh i could burst perfectly fine on long range with that nerf i don't know what was wrong with bursting at all , i do agree spraying was more rng but it's actually been quite alot rng in csgo if u ask me because i often see decent player & even pro's miss easy shots where they perfectly aim the head but still miss cause of rng on csgo but yea i liked it more if ppl couldn't spray long range at all , short range was still fine aswell imo to spray & that's what spraying is for imo ..
2015-12-16 17:52
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2015-12-16 13:34
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#406
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Europe t.o.p
thanks valve
2015-12-16 13:41
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#410
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal vastik
thanks thanks valve
2015-12-16 13:57
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#411
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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North America IwasKnowThisDetails
please for fucks sake never nerf the rifles again
2015-12-16 13:58
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#415
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
NiKo | 
Poland Jaruzel
thx volvo. Silvers are crying right now but that's good :)
2015-12-16 14:00
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#420
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World drev1
What would be nice now is increasing first bullet accuracy (maby 2nd and 3rd a bit as well). I personally think the spraypatterns in general should be bigger, and even better accuracy than already is. Most don't want to change the rifle-patterns, as they would have to learn new patterns though. This would help for removing RNG, while making it harder to spray.
2015-12-16 14:08
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The reddit post that valve linked in their post is really enlightening and I hope they implement what is said there. This is how the spray accuracy patterns are in 1.6/cs:go pre-patch/cs:go after patch: i.imgur.com/xFYbasv.jpg And this is what is suggested: imgur.com/8bN3Dqu (I really hope they implement this). It will increase the first 4-5 bullets' accuracies like it was in 1.6, but keep the same inaccuracy as it was in cs:go patch (before this revert) for the rest of the bullets. This way spraying will be viable but will require a lot of skill, and they give a high incentive for tapping/bursting playstyle due to first few bullet accuracy.
2015-12-16 14:14
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Also, I didn't really mind the pistol changes, but I'm not bothered they reverted them either. Strong pistols make for dynamic eco rounds.
2015-12-16 14:22
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#436
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Brazil DUZ
Good job. Nice idea!
2015-12-16 14:25
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Lord gaben
2015-12-16 14:16
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#437
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Czech Republic csl1337
I guess i am the only one who never really felt a difference :D For me it was the same as before, just that i would hit more of my sprays now :PPP
2015-12-16 14:35
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Oh thanks Lord Gaben
2015-12-16 14:48
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#445
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Serbia goxus
Good job Gaben, we are proud of you
2015-12-16 14:59
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#448
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Poland Swietny
Make rounds 1:45/35/10 you stupid retards.
2015-12-16 15:04
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#449
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Poland kingWZRD
actually i was quite happy when they decided to implement some changes into rifles, however not satisfied with the outcome. I mean valve needs to change rilfles in some way because now its all about spraying. Imo it would be great if they reduced the time that is needed to shoot precisely right after strafing. Reverting the update does not solve the issue of playstyles.
2015-12-16 15:06
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#454
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Finland ownarBERTN
wp valve, actually happy to see you able to realize the mistake and do what is best for the game.
2015-12-16 15:24
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#459
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Denmark chrns
Why is this community full of asslicking 12 year olds? Especially on reddit I see ridiculous praise for "the devs" when all they did was introduce something absolutely retarded with half an hour of work (literally typing values into txt files, and then they even made errors there!) and then revert it. They essentially didn't do anything. Dota got a major update for the holidays - CS:GO gets nothing but a senseless mini-update that is then reverted and people love it. GO gets next to no work done. There's stuff that's been there for 3 years and hasn't been addressed - stuff that can't simply be a design choice. Valve sees no reason to touch the fundamental models which would truly help to improve the game, because that would be too much work. Rather introduce more weapons when the existing ones aren't even properly designed to begin with. They are not doing nearly as much as they could be for the competitive scene either. It's obvious they are not willing to invest much time, effort and resources but still want to get as much out of it as possible.
2015-12-16 15:49
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#463
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United States Morph!ne
yeah...praise revolvo? "hey valve thanks for scaring the shit out of me. ya thanks a lot" i think not
2015-12-16 16:13
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#468
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United States Xit ^_^
I agree to an extent. I haven't seen one person praise Valve yet but then again I don't go on Reddit. 99% of the initial reaction (to the rifles) was negative. I was actually a fan of toning down the pistols but I'm fine either way. Valve seems more focused on making money than helping the actual competitive scene out. And before you guys say "well they are a business", I get that, but that doesn't mean they can just make minor changes every few months and call it good. CS:GO is a gigantic game all around the world, the least they could do is at least put some sort of effort into making the competitive scene better and not try to cater as much to the casual player. I would say the majority of the CS players play for the competition and teamwork rather than people who just play Deathmatch, etc. So really what is the point of trying to make the game more casual friendly besides the obvious, to attract new players. I hope Valve will learn from this and it will help them make better decisions in the future.
2015-12-16 16:22
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#477
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World drev1
"And before you guys say "well they are a business", I get that, but that doesn't mean they can just make minor changes every few months and call it good" That is exactly what it means. There are no real contenders to CS:GO. In dota2 they have very real contenders, that players will easily switch over to, if they don't always keep their game the best possible. What are you going to switch over to from CS:GO? What I am not getting, is the focus on casual players. Most people are attracted to the competitiveness of CS, and want it to require skill. This is one of the fundamentals that distinguishes it from games like COD, still the devs don't seem to think of it this way.
2015-12-16 17:35
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+1
2015-12-16 16:27
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#470
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device | 
Slovakia Twiggi
Nicely done Valve!
2015-12-16 16:37
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#471
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paz | 
North America Mereko
FUCK YES. IT FELT AMAZING LAST NIGHT WOOP WOOP.
2015-12-16 16:45
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#475
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Spain Zabijaka
Morons implementing stuff without beta client, lmao. They know shit 'bout real developement, fockbois.
2015-12-16 17:28
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#480
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Czech Republic stxCZE
TBH playing around 50 FPS I felt no difference of this update at all.
2015-12-16 17:44
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1 reply
#482
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
North Macedonia dimitar[A]
it sucks dude, whole game
2015-12-16 18:05
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#485
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden mindeG
THAT 180 ON THEIR UPDATE HAHAHA GG RETARDS
2015-12-16 18:55
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#486
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Poland YOGURTOVSKY
So why does some fucker keep deleting my comments? Fuck off.
2015-12-16 19:36
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#493
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Antifrag
TLDR of the blog: We fucked up, we're sorry, we'll try again. Let's hope that this time they'll consider beta testing their changes.
2015-12-16 22:25
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#495
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Bulgaria darkfirebg
Worst thing that could happen! Newbies influenced devs decisions and turned the game back into the spray and pray sh1t it was before.. So disappointing.
2015-12-16 22:34
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#496
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Brunei T0Rsz
i want it back. cant spray anymore... I EANT IT BACK
2015-12-16 23:26
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#498
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Finland get_baited
hallelujah
2015-12-17 00:51
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#502
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Malaysia Tuah
except r8, should have just stay with the update, no need to revert.
2015-12-17 06:10
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#503
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Australia fishballz
no need to revert the pistols, that was a good update imo.
2015-12-17 08:19
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#510
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Georgia lczor
its good i think ignore toxic comments xD
2015-12-17 23:09
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#511
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Czech Republic DaniDM
Hey it's something!
2015-12-18 00:15
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#512
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Netherlands mintmeister
Gg volvo
2015-12-21 01:58
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