ESL ban jumpthrow, tweak deathcam

15-1-2016 19:56

ESL have changed a couple of important CS:GO rules in their ruleset that will affect all levels of gameplay across the company's platform of tournaments.

A new set of rule changes related to CS:GO were published by ESL today and they will come into effect for all ESL-related tournaments, from amateur online leagues such as Go4CS:GO or the ESL Open League to more prestigious tournaments such as the Intel Extreme Masters, ESL One events, and the ESL ESEA Pro League.

The German-based organisation arrived at a consensus to change these rules after apparent discussions with partners (which can be taken to include ESEA) as well as with an official players' union.

All ESL tournaments, big and small, will enforce the new rules

In particular, four changes have been made:

Round and bomb timers have been set to 1:55 and 0:40 respectively, in accordance with Valve's changes to these times for the game developers' Major and Minor events.
The deathcam has been shortened to two seconds after internal discussions and discussions with players.
The end of round delay (after a new round starts once a round has finished) has been shortened to three seconds.
Jumpthrow scripts have been forbidden after a vote from players was in favour of banning.

In particular, the banning of jumpthrow scripts and shortening of the deathcam will have a large impact on competitive play as these two issues were quite hot button topics in the community in regards to their respective, perceived unfairness.

Jumpthrow scripts are alias-based commands that players can add to their configs in order to jump and throw grenades with exact precision, rather than manual timing which relies on near frame-perfect execution.

ESL have added that the new rules have already come into effect for the IEM Katowice qualifiers currently taking place on ESEA's client, and remaining tournaments will begin to enforce the rules starting Monday, January 18th on 11:00 .

stich writes for HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter

expected

2016-01-15 19:57

27 replies

nice

2016-01-15 20:21

The end of round delay (after a new round starts once a round has finished) has been shortened to three seconds. what a fucking joke

2016-01-15 20:22

16 replies

why is that a joke?

2016-01-15 20:33

12 replies

You can't pickup anything of importance after you've won the round. Winning on an ECO vs AWP's is nice, but if you can't get the AWP afterwards...

2016-01-15 20:35

11 replies

What if you win the round with the AWP in hand by killing all the enemies - but you die to the bomb because the timer is longer? Loss Loss situation really. Prefer the shorter timer!

2016-01-15 20:38

3 replies

The only scenario's in which this would happen was if the T side is defending the bomb for too long, not paying attention to the timer. A CT that dies due to bomb expl is just in the wrong place, because why are you close to the bomb if you can't defuse it?

2016-01-15 20:42

1 reply

It happens far too often, especially when players are on low HP and bomb radius' are weird. It wouldn't affect the CTs much - it would affect the Ts the most. I think it's a positive change.

2016-01-15 20:46

I'm really really struggling to imagine a scenario in which the longer bomb timer would kill you but the shorter bomb timer wouldn't.

2016-01-15 20:46

u can still pickup the awp? are u fkn retarded?

2016-01-16 00:20

6 replies

No, but you obviously are. 3 seconds is not nearly enough to run from where you currently are, to where you've made the kill.

2016-01-16 02:55

5 replies

ok you are fkn retarded. it obv depends on the distance. u can still pickup weapons...dumb kid

2016-01-16 03:39

2 replies

Goddamn retard.. So, Moni, you little fucking autistic german humpback, when your silver ass is playing Dust_2 (What else would you play) on short, holding the bomb you so professionally planted, and a CT pushes up short. You, with your instantly panic attack happen to tag a headshot. He dies. I'd like to see you run from A spot to short in under 3 seconds. Not every kill happens at a proximity of 1ft. fucking educate yourself.

2016-01-16 14:23

1 reply

ok i guess ur the silver player.

2016-01-16 15:36

If I was 1 foot away from the awp, 3 seconds it certainly enough time.

2016-01-16 13:35

1 reply

If you were 2 foot away, 3 seconds would probably be enough time. If you were 3 foot away, 3 seconds might be enough time. If you were 4 foot away, 3 seconds just ain't gonna cut it.

2016-01-16 14:24

did you actually read what the update says? AFTER A NEW ROUND STARTS.... so that means when your standing at spawn buying guns, armour, nades, its 3 seconds... not 3 seconds when you kill the last person before the new round starts...

2016-01-16 05:59

2 replies

The end of round delay (after a new round starts once a round has finished) The end of round delay. After a new round starts once a a round has finished. once a round has finished, there's a delay. This is called the 'End of round' delay, it's the delay at the end of the round. After this delay, the new round starts. It has been shortened to 3 seconds. The buytime is already 10 seconds, it'd be useless to add 3 seconds to that.

2016-01-16 14:26

lol you retard have to be silver 2 to not understand what that change means hahahahahahhahahahaha

2016-01-16 16:24

GUYS PLEASE answer me :) the bind jumpthrow is banned yeah? but if u do jumpthrow manually without any bind/script you can. im right?

2016-01-15 20:46

6 replies

yes you can!! only the scripts are banned cuz to jumpthrow manually is a skill :)

2016-01-15 20:51

yeah but most of the common nades are WAY to unreliable without the skript

2016-01-16 00:21

4 replies

If they are unreliable, they shouldn't be common.

2016-01-16 12:03

3 replies

They are common now because people use the script...

2016-01-16 12:08

2 replies

at least they won't be used anymore in ESL. I hope ESEA, Faceit and CEVO will do the same.

2016-01-16 12:10

1 reply

Yeah for sure, good move for the game.

2016-01-16 20:13

#7 first, GJ admins

2016-01-15 22:30

1 reply

why not?

2016-01-16 08:20

nice

2016-01-15 19:57

Who uses scripts for jumpthrow? Aylmao, jumpthrow is too easy.

2016-01-15 19:58

16 replies

Doesn't EnVy?

2016-01-15 19:59

There is a certain kind of jump that isnt too high nor too low. You can only do this "half jump" with jumpthrow script.

2016-01-15 20:00

If you want jumpthrow to be consistent, you use script, it's not your gold nova 3 level to fail 2/3 of your smokes

2016-01-15 20:03

1 reply

2016-01-15 21:24

Some jumpthrows require frame perfect execution.

2016-01-15 20:06

1 reply

agreed well said

2016-01-15 20:17

hello gold nova boi

2016-01-15 20:16

mousesports niko in his cfg alias "+jumpthrow" "+jump;-attack" alias "-jumpthrow" "-jump" bind "h" "+jumpthrow"

2016-01-15 20:23

silver spotted

2016-01-15 20:42

okii

2016-01-15 20:50

who even uses nades?? i just headshot everyone

2016-01-15 21:07

1 reply

2016-01-16 00:07

silver? i have obv no clue what a jumpthrow skript actually does...fkn low

2016-01-16 00:23

top quality bait, look at all the fish

2016-01-16 02:04

1 reply

what if it wasnt a bait

2016-01-16 12:10

Pretty much every pro. Because it was legal, everybody was using it to not be at disadvantage even tough they think it's cheap. It's gonna remove an important strategic aspect and for example mirage mid is gonna be harder to take as Terrorist. If you think jumpthrow is easy you obviously don't know smokes that need frame perfect throw.

2016-01-16 03:16

cool

2016-01-15 19:58

noooice no more perfect smokes fags

2016-01-15 19:58

good addition

2016-01-15 19:59

wow

2016-01-15 19:59

gud

2016-01-15 19:59

nicenice

2016-01-15 19:59

Every other league should do the same! Opinions: Flusha: twitter.com/fnaticFlusha/status/68805949.. NBK: twitter.com/nV_NBK/status/68805976404826.. Friberg: twitter.com/fribergCS/status/68806038841.. Allu: twitter.com/alluCSGO/status/688061100835.. YNK: twitter.com/YNkCSGO/status/6880603166771.. MSL and Spunj: twitter.com/MSLcsgo/status/6880679169280..

2016-01-15 20:02

11 replies

They apparently didn't like jumpthrow and for good reason. They don't mention deathcam and timings since everyone will have to get used to it, but it's definitely for the better. I wonder if any top teams are really going to be affected by this negatively.

2016-01-15 20:37

3 replies

Karrigan was a fan of jumpthrow scripts, not sure how much it will affect him

2016-01-15 20:38

2 replies

also niko and some more players

2016-01-15 20:52

Karrigan just stays up to date with the meta. he'll adapt to this change insta.

2016-01-15 21:13

You can't really take friberg seriously, he welcomes literally any change, no matter how retarded.

2016-01-15 20:40

2 replies

*adds revolvo* Friberg:wohoooo

2016-01-15 20:50

1 reply

He said nothing about R8, but he said that the spray nerf was a good thing. So there's that.

2016-01-15 22:33

Thats a fake Flusha, Friberg and allu are butt buddies with Valve, and NBK's team doesn't use complex smokes like other teams. Only surprise on that list was Spunj, as I know for a fact he uses jumpthrow scripts.

2016-01-15 22:54

2 replies

It's not a fake Flusha, pal. 76.9K followers

2016-01-15 23:06

the one who replies is the fake one, same image and almost same name but with a "not" in the end.

2016-01-16 04:49

meanwhile they all used it....

2016-01-19 04:13

n1, good decision for once.

2016-01-15 19:59

-1 Let's add more random to the game

2016-01-15 19:59

1 reply

Jumpthrows are skillbased not luckbased mate

2016-01-15 23:37

Really good idea to ask the pro's, nice choice by ESL, perfect thing to do!

2016-01-15 19:59

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS VALVE LISTEN TO PRO ?? WOOOOOHOO

2016-01-15 19:59

5 replies

not valve, esl

2016-01-15 20:01

2 replies

fuck my life, my bad

2016-01-15 20:03

1 reply

Fuck it hard

2016-01-15 21:29

Obviously valve = esl right? Valve would obviously ban client-side use of the developer console, right???!?!?!111

2016-01-15 20:11

Fuck your life, your bad.

2016-01-16 00:32

are they banned both manual way and script or?

2016-01-15 20:00

1 reply

manual way doesn't really work

2016-01-15 20:02

gay

2016-01-15 20:00

YESSSS finally, fuck the jumpscripts

2016-01-15 20:01

nic3

2016-01-15 20:01

Is this because we are from BULGARIA ?????

2016-01-15 20:01

4 replies

wtf are you talking about!

2016-01-15 20:03

2 replies

hottest new meme on hltv

2016-01-15 20:04

new meme. chill

2016-01-15 21:04

wrong

2016-01-15 22:25

1:55 round 40 bomb LOL

2016-01-15 20:01

4 replies

What is so funny? Ofcourse they're gonna switch since all majors will have these timers as well

2016-01-15 20:06

3 replies

who cares doesnt mean its a good ruleset they said they changed it because of smokes being too effective/thick/lasting too long well why dont they just fucking balance smokes better

2016-01-15 20:07

2 replies

That has to do with valve being retarded. ESL is just following their ruleset since they probably wanna still host majors in the future

2016-01-15 20:09

What's easier to do?

2016-01-15 20:54

SICK

2016-01-15 20:02

Rip my smokes...

2016-01-15 20:02

3 replies

is that you spunj? :>

2016-01-15 20:03

you play in esl?

2016-01-15 20:03

1 reply

No, won't affect me now but I imagine all other tournaments will follow suit and eventually CyberGamer (Australian league) will also implement these changes.

2016-01-15 20:17

2016-01-15 20:02

expected

2016-01-15 20:02

jumpscripts irrelevant, who cares 1.55 round and 40 bomb toppest kek cs is dead

2016-01-15 20:03

2 replies

"jumpscripts irrelevant" wtf are you taking about?

2016-01-15 20:08

1 reply

Probably sticks to matchmaking.

2016-01-15 20:26

w0w

2016-01-15 20:03

bout time

2016-01-15 20:03

Nice changes!

2016-01-15 20:04

I can understand the deathcam thing but jump throw scripts? Just dumb

2016-01-15 20:07

5 replies

how long i had to scroll down to find somebody that mentions the most faking important and best change by far. death cam so annoying dude... they shoulda fucked it completely though. 'peeking u right! no wait, now left! NOT ON IT NOT ON IT DONT PEEK!!!!' fak u shouldnt this be a skill game? not that skillfull if somebody basically wallhacks for u for an inconsistent amount of time but up to like 6 seconds...

2016-01-15 20:21

4 replies

Yeah should go to an alive player or fade to black straight away

2016-01-15 20:27

3 replies

Rather go to a live player imo, then one could use that everywhere(mm++), would be boring af fading to black :P just my op.

2016-01-16 13:23

2 replies

yeah I agree that fade to black would be boring so straight to an alive player would be the best. To be able to see after death is dumb though.

2016-01-16 13:25

1 reply

2016-01-16 13:36

2016-01-15 20:07

Awesome. Title little misleading doe :'3

2016-01-15 20:08

2 replies

how pray tell sirrah?

2016-01-15 20:09

1 reply

ESL ban jumpthrow scripts :D

2016-01-15 22:11

who is jumpthrow? another tier 2 german player?

2016-01-15 20:08

1 reply

thought it was steels brother actually?

2016-01-15 20:26

Why change the round time ffs?

2016-01-15 20:09

1 reply

Consistency. Valve sponsored majors will have to use the new timers, so all pro-level tournaments will fall in line eventually.

2016-01-16 04:38

inb4 macro

2016-01-15 20:09

rip esl, rip esea

2016-01-15 20:09

gj esl

2016-01-15 20:10

YEEEEPA esl back to the business with the best rules fck valve

2016-01-15 20:11

i though they banned players lol

2016-01-15 20:11

Rip team liquid

2016-01-15 20:11

why the fuck ?

2016-01-15 20:12

These are all good changes. Gj ESL, i hope other tournaments follow the same example.

2016-01-15 20:12

What is the punishment if u you use it? Will it be considered equal to cheating?

2016-01-15 20:13

3 replies

do u mean jumpthrow?

2016-01-15 20:29

2 replies

yes

2016-01-15 21:33

1 reply

hm I think it wont be like cheating... maybe it will not be possible, idk how but something like this... it's like scroll duck in 1.6

2016-01-15 21:35

Nice to see, it'll cause people to be more careful and skillful during both smoke throws and clutches. Good on you, ESL.

2016-01-15 20:16

wow nice

2016-01-15 20:16

Cool. I always felt jump-scripts were in a gray area of cheating that someone would come out and at some point bad. In a way, sort of like map exploits in its "grayness". I think shortening the shortening to between rounds to 3 seconds will actually hurt many teams, especially when they have to play a much stronger team. Perhaps this was the point: to help betting? Not sure the rationale behind this except to make it harder for lesser teams to compete.

2016-01-15 20:16

14 replies

How in the flying FUCK is it cheating if anyone and their mother could fucking take 2 seconds to set one up? What the FUCK! Fuck you.

2016-01-15 20:21

13 replies

Okay, ranter. That's why I said it was in a gray area, or did you not understand what I wrote? When people are given an advantage over others, on some level that's a cheat. Why not just build it into the game by default? Here it's being taken out and outlawed. You're on the wrong side of this argument. Completely. All you're saying is "I think it should be in and they should not have removed it". Disagree with them if you like. I agree with them. And, on some level they consider it a cheat too or they wouldn't have even brought it up to discuss, much less make a decision to outlaw it.

2016-01-15 20:35

8 replies

No I'm saying it shouldn't be in a fucking gray area if it's literally accessible to ANYONE. Fuck you if you think I'm reading all that shit.

2016-01-15 20:38

7 replies

Anything that gives an advantage to some and is not already a default in the game is a cheat, on some level. ESL and ESEA and pros agree, and I agree... so you are wrong. Sorry, dude. And fuck you too.

2016-01-15 21:10

6 replies

Buuut that's the thing, it's in the game. You press "`", that's like people complaining about turning down grass settings in DayZ.

2016-01-15 21:11

4 replies

If you'd read what I wrote above("Fuck you if you think I'm reading all that"), you'd know I think there shouldn't be any 'inside info' that people have to learn about it and type esoteric commands in or go to a wiki and figure out how to get a config file going... I played CS for years. I know how to do that. But, I looked it up. It should be there by default, without any special knowledge. ESL and ESEA and the pros agree.

2016-01-15 21:30

3 replies

Well it's obviously not a fucking secret if they want to ban it. Holy shit, get a better argument.

2016-01-16 01:00

2 replies

Kek. The only person who needs to get a better argument is you. Flesh explained his opinion in detail, you just swore like an angry teen xd

2016-01-16 13:46

1 reply

+1. Exactly.

2016-01-16 21:08

Which is why nearly every pro has buy binds to buy full sets for certain execution strats, not to mention bhop scrollwheel, etc, etc. All cheating. /s

2016-01-16 01:30

Someone forgot to attend anger management this week :(

2016-01-16 13:44

3 replies

No you fucking faggot, it's flaming because dipshits will defend anything.

2016-01-17 02:41

2 replies

Eat some valium my man. You might be less of a nonce if you do :)

2016-01-18 21:47

1 reply

I'm not angry, it's my goto personality here. Gets the comment chains going..

2016-01-23 22:20

nice!!!!

2016-01-15 20:20

Good move with jumpthrows and deathcam.

2016-01-15 20:24

Round and bomb timers have been set to 1:55 and 0:40 respectively, in accordance with Valve's changes to these times for the game developers' Major and Minor events. I liked the other rules, but this one is a fucking joke.

2016-01-15 20:25

2 replies

+1 really hate to see tournaments implement this.

2016-01-15 20:32

No teams want to go into Majors and suddenly have to adjust to different round and bomb timers. Valve is going to force 1:55 and :40 on Majors, so the only logical thing to do for now is to make these rules consistent across all tournaments.

2016-01-16 04:42

revert the fucking bomb timers

2016-01-15 20:25

Rip saving an awp

2016-01-15 20:26

great job esl

2016-01-15 20:26

Why they dont remove deathcamera completely? You die=go to your teammate cam

2016-01-15 20:29

1 reply

+1 that's exactly what I was thinking

2016-01-15 21:02

Thanks <3

2016-01-15 20:29

GOOD THAT THEY BANNED THE JUMP SCRIPT, NOOBS CANT THROW WITHOUT IT

2016-01-15 20:31

lmao keep making this game more random

2016-01-15 20:35

Great changes!

2016-01-15 20:32

thought it'd be about the bans regarding players who threw (ibuypower)

2016-01-15 20:33

YAY

2016-01-15 20:35

What's the definition of a script? Isn't it just a jump bind?

2016-01-15 20:35

tHAT'S GOOD

2016-01-15 20:37

is it really that good?? rip creativity

2016-01-15 20:38

2 replies

RIP creativity? hahahaha. You get more creativity with inconsistent than with perfect smokes.I dont get your logic. If you dont place a smoke where you wanted it to be, you might reconsider your call / strat or even change it-> More flexibility required.

2016-01-15 21:14

1 reply

Inconsistent = bad for esport. When did everyone start liking rng wtf?

2016-01-16 01:31

can someone explain or show an example of jumpthrow?

2016-01-15 20:42

1 reply

with a jumpthrow script u csn consistently throw jump smokes eg window smoke on mirage.

2016-01-16 04:55

Lol, I never knew there was something like a jumpthrow :'D

2016-01-15 20:43

bind space "+jump" bind v "-attack" press both at the same time as you prime your nade, same effect - not a script.

2016-01-15 20:43

2 replies

no because you have to throw at the top og the jump.

2016-01-15 21:02

1 reply

nope, it´s literally the same thing. Try it out, just did it and tried all my smokes - worked 100% I even bound v to "-attack; -attack2" and it worked for underhands, full throw and mid throw.

2016-01-15 21:32

jump throws arent banned only using a script to execute it perfectly every time are.

2016-01-15 20:51

the only jumpthrow smoke I use is for ct mirage slope so who cares still allowed in faceit or mm

2016-01-15 20:55

3 replies

CT mirage slope? you can just stand on a corner & throw it without jumping or anything.

2016-01-15 21:13

1 reply

but I am using a different smoke which is perfect

2016-01-15 21:28

For now it's allowed, they (every league) can easily change it today even.

2016-01-15 21:41

I use scroll wheel for movement and spacebar for throwing smokes. gg

2016-01-15 21:01

jump throw bind RIP. I think it was nice to have but at the same time. ahhh fuck. The death cam change is nice, I think 2 seconds is a lot better than 1032481 seconds the round timer is stupid, fuck Volvo and forcing this change bunch of idiets

2016-01-15 21:07

good

2016-01-15 21:07

2016-01-15 21:09

2016-01-15 21:12

well done nice changes all of them...

2016-01-15 21:14

Could anyone explain me what that means?

2016-01-15 21:15

1 reply

youtube.com/watch?v=iNmcBAReMJQ

2016-01-15 21:20

Nice!

2016-01-15 21:15

RIP Liquid, adreN said most (if not all) of their smokes are done via jump script.

2016-01-15 21:21

you need to start learning how to throw shit on your own! it's too easy these days

2016-01-15 21:21

Nice, Valve should follow. At least deathcam, default time is beyond dumb.

2016-01-15 21:23

that's good

2016-01-15 21:34

Is this happens because we are from BULGARIA ?????

2016-01-15 21:41

so bind "mwheeldown" "+jump" is banned ? or not?

2016-01-15 21:43

1 reply

Lol of course not, if that wasn't allowed no one could jump anymore.

2016-01-15 21:48

i seen many jump throws at sltv already. i doubt people will actually enforce rules against such binds.

2016-01-15 21:58

2 replies

and remaining tournaments will begin to enforce the rules starting Monday, January 18th on 11:00.

2016-01-15 22:33

1 reply

it was banned before by the written rules for ESL ONE, but the admins allowed it last time. piter and renegades used it. that's why i doubt it. anyway i hope they're stricter this time.

2016-01-16 09:51

I never used it anyway... You can do still do anything without it.

2016-01-15 22:32

1 reply

if you could reliably jumpsmoke window mirage or train connector from t spawn then they wouldnt bother using binds.

2016-01-15 22:45

why 1:55 and 40 second bomb timer? Sure the extra 10 second could mean somethiung for the T's but the extra 5 seconds for the bomb could mean something for the CTs as well.

2016-01-15 22:34

how they agree on the new timers are players dumb? who the f leads the players union?

2016-01-15 22:35

U can still make your config.cfg writeprotected and enter the jumpthrow via console. Wont be saved in your .cfg so theres no proof for that. Just reenter it everytime u launch the game. German engineering

2016-01-15 22:41

1 reply

n1 mercedes

2016-01-15 22:54

I love the death cam change, but the other two seem kinda dumb. The fact of the matter is most pro teams don't rely on complex smoke strats and therefor don't need jump throw binds - of course they will vote to remove them to fuck over slower teams like Na'Vi. Theres going to be a lot less innovative CS play and a lot more raw aim coming out of these matches now. Don't think I like that. And I really hate them using Valve's new timer shit. Pro players shouldn't have to adjust their style for people who aren't as good as they are. Valve is moronic forcing this on teams and on leagues.

2016-01-15 22:57

nice xD

2016-01-15 23:02

Lmao jumpthrow scripts shouldn't even exist it should be perfect everytime.

2016-01-15 23:26

Agree with the jumpthrow ban. Add some element of skill for the smokes

2016-01-15 23:41

1 reply

timing is hardly skill though but i like that they took vote from players so if it's out it's out

2016-01-15 23:51

what was the original deathcam time?

2016-01-15 23:51

Love the deathcam change, but I'm not convinced on the jumpscript.

2016-01-16 02:10

longer bomb timers make the game more CT-sided

2016-01-16 02:46

why do they have a deathcam at all?

2016-01-16 03:02

1 reply

Good question. CPL just went black after death.

2016-01-16 10:03

I know it seems natural to extend timers with addition of molotovs to the game but I also think that this change benefits teams that are ahead because of their cost. You nerf M4A1S to the ground not to get game so much CT sided and than make changes more comfortable to them because of possibility of T to throw after plant molotov on bomb... You also force players to take duels much more because of timers - to make them buy more time to complete rounds. On the other hand CTs are less likely to win raw aim duels because worse primary gun. Are we shifting to AUG meta again to get CTs more confident on mid-round duels?

2016-01-16 07:24

they should ban flusha

2016-01-16 07:54

Did they ban jump-throw BINDS as well as scripts? or just scripts?

2016-01-16 09:34

3 replies

it's the same thing. you can't bind jump throw to one key without using a script.

2016-01-16 09:59

2 replies

yea you can, I have it.

2016-01-16 10:21

1 reply

that bind is considered a script, its a coding term...

2016-01-16 19:19

So a skype group is now an official players union? Interesting.

2016-01-16 09:58

esl full of crap

2016-01-16 10:29

who is jumpthrow ? NoKappa

2016-01-16 12:10

So now instead of using alias to bind it to one key You can instead just bind x "+jump" and bind c "-attack" hit both and nearly the same?

2016-01-16 16:01

expected

2016-01-16 18:34

jumpthrow? really just makes smokes consistent, really just makes players going to have to learn different angles for smokes, dumb rule

2016-01-16 19:20

I agree with all the changes. I don't think that he jump throw thing was entirely necessary but I like it; adds another aspect that can be skill based.

2016-01-18 07:10