CS:GO Danmark with $3,7k league

16-2-2016 18:15

CS:GO Danmark have announced the first season of their league exclusive to Danish teams, featuring 25,000 DKK (~$3,700) in prizemoney for the top two teams.

CS:GO Danmark League Season 1 will start at the beginning of March, with invited teams fighting in best-of-two matches across seven weeks in the round-robin group stage.

Top eight teams will advance to playoffs afterwards, which will be played in a best-of-three, single-elimination bracket.

gla1ve's CPH Wolves to take part in a local league

None of the top three teams in Denmark, Astralis, dignitas and SK Gaming will be taking part in this league, although there are a few known names in the list of invited teams, such as CPH Wolves, Epiphany Bolt and TRICKED:

myRevenge	AiM Black	Red Panda	Quantaya
OnlineRol	FLAEKKEHOLDET	Good Old	DREAMZONE
Marauders	myXMG	TRICKED	QuietPlease
CPH Wolves	Granted	Epiphany Bolt	Revival

ez 4 hunden

2016-02-16 18:15

7 replies

rip MTW [*]

2016-02-16 18:17

5 replies

noticed the same. where's mTw? have they went separate ways after zonic left to coach astralis?

2016-02-16 18:18

4 replies

yes

2016-02-16 18:22

Prolly got 16-0'd 50 times in scrims

2016-02-16 19:04

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In scrims its 30-0'd, they play the whole 30 rounds to properly practise both sides.

2016-02-16 19:38

hahaha i knew as soon as i saw the news of mTw they would not even hold a week lmfao

2016-02-16 21:25

YES MY FRIENDS THIS IS IT hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=1042206

2016-02-16 22:02

OFC I am fucking just second maaan nice tournament

2016-02-16 18:15

jmhfg

2016-02-16 18:15

ez for onlinerol

2016-02-16 18:15

nice

2016-02-16 18:15

iizi

2016-02-16 18:15

first

2016-02-16 18:15

ez dAnmark

2016-02-16 18:15

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good point there by dEnlord

2016-02-16 18:19

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Thanks prEyforhltv. I dont know why that is. Probably danish pronunciation.

2016-02-16 19:05

2016-02-16 18:16

Ez for Epip bolt.

2016-02-16 18:16

I was eating oreo today :)

2016-02-16 18:17

12 replies

Congratulations. And the point is? :>

2016-02-16 18:18

11 replies

He was eating oreos because I made a ''funny'' comment that you deleted :(

2016-02-16 18:19

10 replies

To be fair I thoroughly enjoyed that comment, but... you understand ;)

2016-02-16 18:20

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Is Danmark written on purpose?

2016-02-16 20:00

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Yes.

2016-02-16 20:00

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Oh, thanks. Thought it's a mispronounced. :S

2016-02-16 20:01

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The organisation is called CS:GO Danmark (hint the spelling) And Denmark is Danmark in danish. But I guess you knew that since you're a swede. Just clearing things up.

2016-02-17 00:05

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Yep, ty. :)

2016-02-17 00:10

what did ya say m8

2016-02-16 18:26

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Cant say lol :D

2016-02-16 19:02

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no1 will notice i promise

2016-02-16 19:03

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Its in ur PM box.

2016-02-16 19:04

ez4 dAnkmark

2016-02-16 18:18

is Danmark a person or...? xD

2016-02-16 18:18

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Danmark = Denmark danish :p

2016-02-16 18:20

I think a Danish team will win

2016-02-16 18:19

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I think the Inidians have a slight advantage here

2016-02-16 18:22

Ez for Wolves.

2016-02-16 18:19

Plebs in the comments who don't know that Danmark is the Danish spelling of Denmark.

2016-02-16 18:20

Dan Mark ?

2016-02-16 18:20

daaaaaaanmark

2016-02-16 18:20

It's not Aim, the team is called "AiM Black"

2016-02-16 18:20

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lol racist

2016-02-16 18:33

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aim at black?

2016-02-16 18:52

Ez for one lung Gla1ve

2016-02-16 18:22

yesnomaybe

2016-02-16 18:27

another myRevenge, lol

2016-02-16 18:27

Ez Astralis

2016-02-16 18:27

danish league with 3.7 and romanian league with 4.5 hahahahahhahaa

2016-02-16 18:30

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The marketing budget of companies for Denmark is quite low, because it only has a population of 5.5 million.

2016-02-16 21:17

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More like the organisation (red. CS:GO Danmark) is small and doesn't have funding to invest a lot of money into a bigger prizepool.

2016-02-17 00:10

Lanmark

2016-02-16 18:34

And no sight of mtw :(

2016-02-16 18:36

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Unfortunately there aint gonna be any MTW - they went seperate ways since zonic took the role as coach for Dignitas, afaik atleast.

2016-02-16 19:48

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</3

2016-02-17 09:41

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e9 - were really looking forward to see them back, but RIP dream :'(

2016-02-17 10:47

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mTw fed my nostalgia, but realistically I had hoped more that the players were to return individually. Then we can hopefully see players like trace or minet in one of the top3 Danish teams eventually. That hope isn't dead ;)

2016-02-17 11:29

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Fingers crossed, lol. Would've liked to see whiMp and MJE back aswell - could be epic!

2016-02-17 11:40

ez for im black

2016-02-16 18:36

3.7k "league"? shroud makes that in a night on stream.

2016-02-16 18:37

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and your point is?

2016-02-16 18:47

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Jokes on you - I never said I had a point. :p It's just strange to me that you would build a "league" around $3.7k. Some small tourney format or whatever, eh, still strange that 16 teams would battle over that, but a "league", spanning across seven weeks plus playoffs? Then again, as much as people said 2016 was gonna be "GO's year" I ain't seeing much yet and 1/6th of the year is already done. No word from Valve either.

2016-02-16 20:04

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It's a tournament for the Tier 2/3 teams from Denmark, why do you expect a big prizepool? This is basically just a league to determine which of teams is #4 in Denmark.

2016-02-16 20:16

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In a growing sport tier 2/3 teams should not be competing 7 weeks worth of games for 3.7k bux. That's $15 per day a player and that's for the team that wins it... Yes, it is "just a video game", and yes it is "just a hobby" for these guys most likely. But the league gets money out of it too and the players don't even get minimum wage returns on their hours (depending on the amount of games, naturally). But hey, again, no real point; I'm not complaining... 3700 is still more than 0 esport bux for our scene.

2016-02-16 21:21

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Just pointing this out: CS:GO Danmark doesn't earn anything for organizing this League. We're a Volunteer Organization, and none of us are getting paid. We do it, because we love CS, and want to help the Danish scene grow. Each team is going to play 14 games during the regular season, each of them Bo2 (That's roughly 28 hours) Then, if you win, you play 3 Bo3's during the playoffs, or roughly 9 hours. That is 37 hours all in all, or 486,49 DKK per hour, which is 97,30 per player per hour. If you look at the minimum Wage in Denmark, it's actually not bad, especially for doing something you love.

2016-02-16 21:45

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First of all it being a volunteer organization is naturally admirable. But surely the complete setup is not without returns? And to clarify, I was not jabbing at the league itself but more the situation that it is 2016 and things are still just as small as they were a decade back as far as the non-tier1 scene is concerned. It's great that there are autonomous attempts to grow things, but there shouldn't have to be. There should be more in place for aspiring players already, alas... As for running the numbers, that is naturally not too bad at all... - for 2 out of 16 teams. The majority of these players will produce these hours of CS content for nothing, but since you are not profiting off of it I guess that is ok; the players get competitive practice conditions, some exposure and they would be playing anyways... But still, I'm sure you get my point.

2016-02-16 22:08

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It's not that it is all that complicated. Small leagues have much less viewers and therefor less sponsors and they get paid less by those sponsors they do have. Further more this is a first time event, so nobody really knows how it will go, making sponsors even more reluctant to put in money. Currently CS:GO Danmark has two sponsors in POWER and Just-Eat, which neither are big esport sponsors, which just empathizes my above points, since it is new(er) grounds for them. What is much more important to take from this is not prizepool, but the fact that someone is trying to take up the mantle that was dropped in Denmark when Xplayn decided to stop and I don't even know if Slap.dk is still holding any leagues/cups, but then again Slap was never really for semi-pro teams, which usually was what Xplayn did. So I think this is a very important step to take, it might be a baby step, but an important one. Now I just hope that CS:GO:DK doesn't relax to much and keep going, because there has been so many cups/leagues in DK over the last decade that never got going.

2016-02-17 10:14

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I guess I have no reason not to agree with you considering the circumstances - the point I went on to make there was primarily about how there should be more opportunity (= money) to go around even for projects like this. Then again, maybe there will in the future for this particular one. I just feel that while the big stages have been growing staggeringly, the infrastructure that's supposed to be supporting it all (the lower tier; new generations of players) is not any healthier than it was back when I played competitively. Maybe even less so because most people play from their home and over client/MM exclusively whereas back in the day playing competitively came with decidedly more organisational and scene networking simply because it was needed to find similarly minded people. I'm not a fan of developer control, but in CS:GO there should be something similar to how other titles handle the tiers that are not at the international peak of it all. I guess minors are supposed to be just that, but there's no longevity that I see in that because it has no real structure; needs more of a league and circuit-type format. As you mentioned a lot of attempts to create those have failed and not only Danish ones. So whether this can grow organically is questionable. So maybe ultimately we need the big guys to set the framework for it - they can then still use regional systems that are already in place to pull it off.

2016-02-18 03:17

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The lower tiers can't really grow because there don't experience the same growth as the big leagues. It has been the same story since 1.3. Having Valve controlling it seems far-fetched and very unlikely to happen, so I wouldn't expect that to happen anytime soon. However what we do have now compared to 1.6 is stuff like FPL, master league, etc. Which definitely has issues on their own, but it sure as hell beats getting noticed doing random cups and playing mixes on quakenet.

2016-02-18 12:01

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FPL is really something. Still too far a step up to really grow "new" talent, but definitely something. It has in the short while it's been around already managed to liven up professional rosters more than once. I'm not saying Valve realistically will ever do it, or that I would even want that personally. But as we both correctly assessed, the lower tier has and never will grow into its own completely organically. The stepping-in thing (be it Valve themselves or a big league) seems kind of necessary if you want to build a sound fundament and future for the sport, and Valve is still the lesser evil of the two (imagine big leagues stepping in and taking control - we already have the controversy surrounding exclusivity deals and market dominance in the upper tier; exclusifying the lower tier would be even worse, arguably). CS will live on; people will keep playing for fun and will somehow get noticed for their talent and climb the competitive ladder, ... - but with a healthier and more lucrative, more organized and transparent structure for the lower tier, with a clearer "career path", the future would be brighter, more stable, secure, etc. It's not absolutely needed for the esport to live on, but it will not live on maintaining the heights the upper tier has now and presumably will still reach in the next 5 years or so without the lower tiers growing at least somewhat proportionately along with that. And currently I'm seeing hardly any growth in those, which is all the more apparent when contrasted of course against the growth the top tier has experienced in the last couple of years.

2016-02-18 20:21

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Honestly the growth of CS:GO as an eSport will have limit as some point. There simply isn't enough support from Valve for it to growth forever and all the various scandals, which are becoming more and more frequent, are all having a negative effect on the professionel stage. To be honest at this point I'm not entirely sure I want CS:GO to succeed, which sorts of annoys me as I've been watching for over a decade and at this point it just feels like Valve still doesn't give a fuck and it is making me sort of angry every time I watch the community do a ton of work and then Valve decides to fuck something new up again. While Riot is a company with severe issues, at least it appears it gives a fuck. At this point it feels that CS:GO is only there to create money for Valve. If anyone were to manage something semi-pro like it can't be any of the organisations or Valve and that means you need a third neutral party to do that and I doubt that will ever exist. There simply is no DBU, UEFA or FIFA in CS:GO and with Valve not giving a fuck it never will come, despite being severely needed. Not just for the semi-pro stage but also in order to create an actual rulebook. My god does CS:GO need some written rules somewhere. I sincerely hope that Overwatch will be a competitive game and that Blizzard won't fuck that up as well. Edit: Sorry if it turned into a rant.

2016-02-19 09:03

Well it's not that bad, we have 3 250k tournaments in the next 6 weeks IIRC. And I like having those very small tournaments. You also need to realize, that your country only has a population of 5.5 million, which is limiting marketing budgets, and that those are only the 4th to 20th best teams in your small country. Meanwhile 80 million people in Germany, and I only know of 7 German Teams.

2016-02-16 21:22

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The danish semi scene was always lively, the German scene not so much in GO unfortunately. It's better than nothing, and these teams will get practice and some cash - and they would have played anyways I guess. But still: the second and even third tier (like divisions in football) are what the first tier lives off of, where the future lies. We can't grow a healthy and rich future of CS if we have our "talent pool" battle 7 weeks over money the tier 1 makes in one evening. Although, thinking about it, the discrepancy between first and second tier is pretty big in professional sports too... But at least tier 2 and even 3 players can have a career without ever going tier 1 and can financially sustain themselves in those lower tiers. I'm not saying the same will or should be possible in GO, but as a scene if we want to a healthy pool from which new talent can arise we have to take more care of the lower tier competition.

2016-02-16 21:38

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Well those are some good arguments, but the difference between sports and Electronic competitions is huge, also in the structure (you said it yourself as well :) ), also in the structure of developing talent. We don't need to pay those teams for them to improve, of course it takes a lot of time of them, but they do it voluntary, out of fun, which is a good thing IMO. And we can never build up a system that's similar to football leagues, because this would require local leagues, restricted by countries which would be stupid with the possibility of playing Online, and those leagues are locked, meaning rising teams need to pay several seasons before being able to play in the top competition. To be honest I'm very satisfied with the current open tournament circuit, with some t3 competition as well, but still amazing t1 tournaments.

2016-02-16 23:02

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They do it for fun, sure, but if the second tier was only half as infrastructually sound and flourishing as the main tier is these days, there would be people going in it not only for fun but with competitive appeal from the get-go. New talent is hard to come by (just look at how many old names there still are in the top 10 teams), and everyone involved in this esport should be looking out for its future - and that must be in the lower tiers. Think 5 years into the future. Practically 80% of all pros now will be retired or at least close to that. How does the game survive that? Only if we are growing the next generation now.

2016-02-18 03:22

Danmark? :DD

2016-02-16 18:38

rip astralis

2016-02-16 18:44

ez for TSM

2016-02-16 18:46

Nice :) ! Gl & HF boys.

2016-02-16 18:53

DANMARK?DAFUQ

2016-02-16 18:55

Danmark wohooo

2016-02-16 18:58

EZ 4 DANMARK

2016-02-16 19:02

Umm is it 37k or 37hundo?

2016-02-16 19:03

quiet, please

2016-02-16 19:06

ez g1ave

2016-02-16 19:06

lol what a trash tournament, i earn that cleaning bathrooms

2016-02-16 19:10

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the scene doesn't grow if we all have an attitude like you

2016-02-16 19:13

ez god hunden

2016-02-16 19:13

Where's Optimum?

2016-02-16 19:18

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was thinking that too

2016-02-16 20:11

They declined the invitation.

2016-02-17 11:21

Hunden_God

2016-02-16 19:28

lol only 3,8K ? Denmark wtf

2016-02-16 19:30

ez FLAEKKEHOLDET

2016-02-16 19:30

4 replies

Joke right?

2016-02-16 20:18

3 replies

hold kæft :)

2016-02-17 21:11

1 reply

Haha

2016-02-18 14:41

din mor er en joke;:)

2016-02-25 11:10

AiM black I guess they are black

2016-02-16 19:33

the wolves suck hard balls right now with that shitty roster

2016-02-16 19:41

Where is skoveN?

2016-02-16 19:44

Danmark

2016-02-16 19:48

"danmark" is killing me omfg

2016-02-16 19:55

Danes strong

2016-02-16 20:17

Optimum ???

2016-02-16 20:31

4 replies

They were invited but turned it down to pursue more international tournaments

2016-02-16 20:47

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Let me just clarify here. We weren't specifically invited for what's laid out on the table in this article. We were asked if we'd like to participate two times. The first time was for a 10k DKK tournament stretching over ~10 weeks total with a pool of participating teams that was very weak. Obviously we said no, the long time we had to invest, the low price pool, the low level of teams participating and the lack of PR made for a very poor league in our eyes. I asked them to get back to me if anything was updated. They came back to me (~2 days ago) and said that they had now upped the price pool to 20k DKK and two decent teams (won't conisder them favourites on the final list) were mentioned. At this point I even knew that it was gonna be a league with 3 divisions, and taking everything into consideration it just wasn't worth the time investment. However, with the current situation: 18k DKK to the first place, more decent teams, HLTV exposure and such it's obviously way more appealing, but this wasn't the offer at all that we were represented with. Had we known that this was the final details of the tournament we would probably have said yes to participating.

2016-02-17 01:40

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Thx for the clarification. Is it too late for u guys now?

2016-02-17 03:58

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Yes it is. However if one of the teams cancels before the start of the league we'll probably be asked to fill out their spot, but even if that doesn't happen we're not too sad about not participating. It's true that we'd prefer to pursue international stuff like DatPolar is suggesting, but sitting here now seeing how much work and effort they've put into making a Danish league possible that's appealing to semi pro teams in Denmark it's a bit sad that we're not participating to at the very least show our support, because it's a damn good project with some very nice and dedicated people behind it!

2016-02-17 09:51