Na`Vi edge out NiP, on to semis

19-10-2016 18:01

Another draw at EPICENTER as NiP win Nuke 16-11 and Na'Vi win Overpass 16-3. Round difference means Na`Vi goes to semifinals. NiP are out.

With yet another tie between G2 and Dignitas earlier today, both Natus Vincere and Ninjas in Pyjamas had all to win and lose at the same time as either team could take the number one spot in the group and also end up going out last place.

First up on Nuke it was the ninjas that got their CT-pistol, but only just as Oleksandr "⁠s1mple⁠" Kostyliev 1v3 almost pulled off a ridiculous line up of all the CT's in vents with a Glock. Due to back to back bomb plants and keeping the CT survivors low the CIS team applied the pressure early on to get a crucial T round, but the Swedes counter-reset them straight away to secure a 6-1 lead.

In a chaotic round echoing the spirits of match making where Natus Vincere in a 3v5 got a bomb plant on lower and had CT's practically walk into their crosshairs, it came down to Mikail "⁠Maikelele⁠" Bill almost pulling off a ninja defuse by being just a tick short of it. It spurred on Ioann "⁠Edward⁠" Sukhariev and co. to make it back to a single round deficit with 5-6.

Christopher "⁠GeT_RiGhT⁠" Alesund and his team took the lead again and barely avoided reset thanks to the aforementioned player, as he this time lived up to the namesake of the team, defusing in a smoke. 9-6 in favor of the ninjas going into halftime.

Natus Vincere took the obligatory three rounds off the back of their CT-pistol plus an extra thus taking the lead for the first time 10-9, but the Swedish began to consistently overwhelm the bombsites early, as there was not being much aggression put on from Denis "⁠seized⁠" Kostin and his squad.

They had a chance to pull back in the 23rd round, but botching their man advantage in a 4v3, impatiently pushing out from vents on to B-site and the Swedes had the map on a silver platter closing it out 16-11.

EPICENTER: MoscowBest of 1

Natus Vincere

Matchpage

19th October 2016

Ninjas in Pyjamas

Nuke

Natus Vincere	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Oleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev s1mple	28 - 22	+6	106.2	66.7%	1.29
Denis 'seized' Kostin seized	22 - 21	+1	85.5	74.1%	1.15
Ladislav 'GuardiaN' Kovács GuardiaN	14 - 19	-5	70.6	70.4%	0.85
Egor 'flamie' Vasilyev flamie	14 - 22	-8	57.8	63.0%	0.75
Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev Edward	11 - 18	-7	43.7	63.0%	0.63

Ninjas in Pyjamas	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund GeT_RiGhT	27 - 19	+8	108.3	81.5%	1.43
Adam 'friberg' Friberg friberg	19 - 18	+1	78.8	77.8%	1.22
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg f0rest	24 - 20	+4	85.9	66.7%	1.15
Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill Maikelele	17 - 16	+1	74.3	66.7%	1.10
Richard 'Xizt' Landström Xizt	15 - 16	-1	61.5	70.4%	0.92

Backs against the wall on Overpass the Black-Yellow barely got their T-pistol with a last second plant followed by two more anti-ecos and hard-resetting the Swedes right after the first gun round, thus comfortably getting to a 8-1 lead by blasting through to CT-defense time and time again.

Edward lead the charge on Overpass

Off the back of a tactical pause Adam "⁠friberg⁠" Friberg and his team posted a round on the board, himself getting a quad-kill, but all for naught as they were once again hard-reset by a solid gameplan from seized and co. 13-2 for Natus Vincere going into the second half.

A crucial pistol round win with Richard "⁠Xizt⁠" Landström stepping massively up with a triple kill was a light in the darkness, but quickly turned off by the CIS machine as they caught the ninjas with their pyjamas down on the obvious force buy and Egor "⁠flamie⁠" Vasilyev clutched it out the 1v1 against GeT_RiGhT blowing out the map 16-3.

EPICENTER: MoscowBest of 1

Ninjas in Pyjamas

Matchpage

19th October 2016

Natus Vincere

Overpass

Ninjas in Pyjamas	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Richard 'Xizt' Landström Xizt	13 - 16	-3	84.4	63.2%	0.90
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund GeT_RiGhT	11 - 16	-5	81.2	57.9%	0.79
Mikail 'Maikelele' Bill Maikelele	13 - 16	-3	68.2	52.6%	0.77
Adam 'friberg' Friberg friberg	8 - 15	-7	51.9	42.1%	0.48
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg f0rest	4 - 18	-14	54.1	36.8%	0.30

Natus Vincere	K - D	+/-	ADR	KAST	Rating2.0
Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev Edward	25 - 9	+16	125.8	84.2%	2.09
Egor 'flamie' Vasilyev flamie	18 - 9	+9	84.8	89.5%	1.60
Denis 'seized' Kostin seized	15 - 8	+7	96.4	78.9%	1.47
Oleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev s1mple	14 - 11	+3	77.9	73.7%	1.30
Ladislav 'GuardiaN' Kovács GuardiaN	9 - 12	-3	53.5	73.7%	0.92

This result means that Natus Vincere take the top spot and move directly to the semi-finals on sunday. G2 will face off against the third seed from group B and Dignitas will take on the second seed.

Group A	Score	RD
Natus Vincere	3-3	7
G2	3-3	2
Dignitas	3-3	1
Ninjas in Pyjamas	3-3	-10

Last match of the group stage will be Virtus.pro against fnatic determining the final standings and seeds.

lostered ;V

2016-10-19 18:01

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2016-10-19 20:46

ez navi cya nip

Expected , Very easy for CIS team Natus Vincere

simple 4 s1mple.

2016-10-19 18:11

GODWARD

1st news this week

GGWP NaVi s1mple is beast

2016-10-19 18:02

so sad :c cmon NiP!

hi mom

Forest casual choke when it really matters...

f0rest is an even bigger choker than device in 2015

NiP = top 5 Jebaited

NAVI ERA

shit system nip>dig/g2

3 replies

TBH it's the opposite

2016-10-19 18:06

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that is subjective as well; imho, it would have been more honest to have some decider between 3/4 teams, maybe even between 1/2 too or I don't know, but there's certainly some weird aftertaste left after NIP got eliminated like that and i'm cheering for Na'Vi, btw

2016-10-19 19:07

The system is bad I agree but imho both DIG and G2 are better teams than Nip

2016-10-19 19:08

"nip top3" lul

2016-10-19 18:03

nice NiP, they can't get out of groups even though maikel performed well w00t. f0rest in a slump???

They had to face 3 of the top 6 teams in the world, and while they did get bodied out of the last map, they looked pretty good for most of it. It easily could have been any of those other teams being eliminated instead.

2016-10-19 18:13

Edward is a legend

And this is such a terrible format as well, its so unfair that everyone wins 3 maps each but it all gets decided on round difference. It should be bo3 next time to get definite winners.

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it's often a single map in bo3 too lol. unless it's a 2-0. but if a team A could 2-0 team B in a bo3, why the fuck didn't they do that here? the fact that they're all 1-1 means they're all roughly good in terms of form in this event. this format tells you allot more than a bo3...

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No it doesnt. Group A is fucking testament to the fact that a bo2 format is retarded. NiP won 3 maps, just like all the others in the group but the system sends them out in last because of round difference.

2016-10-19 18:08

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yeah because they're worst team. just because it's close doesn't mean it's "unfair". they did that to themselves, getting assraped 3-16 in Overpass. you deserve to lose. in gsl format, or just straight all bo3's, you DON'T play all the teams in the group so you can't even tell if you are the worst in the group. and if it's all bo3's, if the losing team dropped the ball and playing like morons after 1-1, they're out. no second chances. how is that more "fair" than a system where they can show how good they are vs othjer teams and actually determine who's the worst in the group. in general, how can MORE MAPS be worse than few maps lol...

2016-10-19 18:14

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Hey what if the ESL One NY grand-final was a bo2 game, with cobble and overpass? VP would've won in RD, because they buttraped Na'Vi on cobble. But there was a third map and Na'Vi won. Also there is an hour between the end of each series and the beginning of the next. Why not a bo3 match then? Because EPICENTER only had 10 computers...

2016-10-19 18:16

that's a final and not group stage. illogical and nonsensical "comparison". LAN organization has nothing to do with the format.

2016-10-19 18:20

Do you get my point or not? if Na'Vi and VP played a bo2 group stage game - cobble and train, with 3-16 and 16-8 - VP would've come out on top due to RD. What if NiP and Na'Vi had played Dust2 for a full bo3? NiP could've won and they would've advanced.

2016-10-19 18:22

yeah and? no I don't get your point because it doesn't make any sense. here, NiP could advance just by actually winning 1 map more. they didn't they're out. if x thing happened in format y, team A could've advance therefore format z is bad because it doesn't have the ruleset of format y!

2016-10-19 18:26

Imagine a Grand Final BO5 with the below score: 19-17 3-16 28-25 5-16 16-13 By your logic the loser is better than the winner, no sense whatsoever...

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^ this guy gets it

2016-10-19 18:23

this is sucha retarded post why do I bother... but I'll bite fiest of all in that bo5 you posted, there will be a winner (19-17, 28-25, 16-13) so this nothing to with my post. secondly, this format isn't applicable to binary matchups. you have *multiple* teams playing in a group stage and you're supposed to determine the worst team. ina final, the worst team is automatically the one with the worst map score and that follows logically an odd number of maps.

2016-10-19 18:24

"first of all in that bo5 you posted, there will be a winner (19-17, 28-25, 16-13) so this nothing to with my post." Absolutely everything to do with your post. As you said yourself in other replies, the group stage is made to seek for the best and the worst teams among the ones in the group and seed them in the playoffs according to their results. In a game where maps matters while rounds don't, we shouldn't decide which team goes home and which team goes straight to the semis based on RD, this just sounds wrong to me. That's pretty much my feeling, I can't accept that NaVi advances to the semis and NiP goes home while all four team tied all their matches. You will come and say to me "But NaVi lost a close game (16-11) and NiP got raped (16-3) and that makes all the difference". I understand but I don't agree. If in the playoffs only maps matters, should group stage follow the same line of thought? GSL Style format with eliminations and deciders BO3 are the best in my opinion.

2016-10-19 18:51

this is valid criticism, that only maps should decide and not rounds hence the ideal fdormat is bo3 round robin which almost no one uses for obvious reasons (time, exhaustion, money). but this format here is much better than swiss format and gsl (which is ***MUCH**** better than shitty swiss) but it's certainly only an opinion. what's not an opinion is like the guy above is saying"this format is much better than that because that does not do things exactly as this". playoffs doesn't HAVE groups!!! no one in the history of the world is using a bo2, bo4, bo6.... to decide anything between TWO teams or competitors. it's so obvious I don't even fathom how you can ask that and trying to compare it when logic tell us they're incomparable.

2016-10-19 18:57

and they lose 3 map too In major tournament, lose 2 map = out Stupid

2016-10-19 18:17

+1, even swiss system is better than this

lawlno. Swiss is absolute trash.

2016-10-19 20:31

unfair what.Every other tournament go bo1 - it meaning everyone in this group can be knocked out after two loss

2016-10-19 18:15

While I agree that would be nice, there isn't enough time for BO3s (unless you made the event go over Thursday or Friday as well which they weren't able to do cause they couldn't get the arena those days). BO2 is certainly nicer than BO1 which are very much random.

2016-10-19 18:18

Look at the schedule man, 3 hours for each bo2. You know why its not bo3? Because the fucking organisers couldn't get enough computers. I mean wtf is this, we're in 2016 ffs and there aren't enough computers?

2016-10-19 18:19

M8 they had total of abt 10 hrs waittime between games or smth, normal tourney they Wait 5 min between maps, not an hour, they had Time

2016-10-20 12:48

I mean it would be doable, but it would mean doing 4 BO3s in a day, and we saw how badly that went in Katowice (and ESL NY to an extent and that was only 3 BO3s) where they were playing till 2 AM.

2016-10-20 15:10

this system is used in any team sport for many years, it can't be wrong. For example, in football groups (champions league) you play two matches with each opponent: at the homesoil and at the opponents homesoil, that's pretty equal to BO2 here.

2016-10-20 09:25

So if a defensiven team only gets one goal and Then play defensive and win bcs thats their style and they're proven The best in The world for 3championships straffet, get upset by an insane game by a shit team that just had The game of their life, they now go.through instead of The worlds best team only because they got.more goals, because getting few goals is Their style, and bcs of The style they play The worlds best team is.now out

2016-10-20 12:53

If you score more goals you go through. If you want just to push top ranking teams to semifinal you don't need group stage.

2016-10-20 15:20

are you fucking stupid? its not about scoring more goals in csgo, its about scoring exactly 16 before the enemy reaches 15, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN LIMIT HERE

2016-10-24 15:38

yeah nip is shit

2016-10-19 18:04

cause they got beat by 3 of the top 5 teams in the world? They did shit the bed in the last map, bu in general they looked pretty good and it easily could have been any of those other teams being eliminated. I'm not going to say NIP is still a top 5 team after this, however I think it would be stupid to put teams like C9, Astralis, or Fnatic above them.

2016-10-19 18:21

Ykno they beat all of Them

2016-10-20 13:00

4-18 SeemsGood

god forest

2016-10-19 20:19

NIP IN PIYJAMAS RIP IN PIECE 3k16 KEK

2016-10-19 18:05

It's a little unfortunate for EPICENTER that their format got screwed by the ties of the century but it's pretty dumb that this had to go down to round diff.

No, that this was even allowed to happen showed that the format was fucked, it wasn't "unfortunate" for Epicenter in any sense.

ResidentSleeper NIP ResidentSleeper

Godward fucking legend*.*

edward rekt nip by himself alone.

Rip Nip

It means that nip is out ?

Do you know how to read? you know it's faster than commenting "Round difference means Na'Vi goes to semifinals. NiP are out."

2016-10-19 18:07

lol friberg got 4 kills in a round and other 4 kills combined in 18 rounds EleGiggle.

So semi spots gets decided on RD as well as who goes out :D Solid system for 6 maps and 4 teams indeed!

Don't use excuses of "it's unfair" to explain NiP's elimination. NiP got rekt 3-16, they haven't been unlucky, it's not a a 2 rounds difference that eliminated them, it was a stomp.

2016-10-19 18:10

Don't lie to yourself. Besides it's a bad system for whoever gets out on RD based on 6 maps. 6 MAPS, not one. I don't give a fuck about losing one map 3-16.

Not it's a good system. Teams were really close in terms of level (every team went 3-3) so round difference is a good tie breaker. If you are more consistent than opponents you don't take a (or a few) rekt and your overall round difference is better.

Refer to post #115

2016-10-19 21:41

lol just saw it now thanks

ez Godward Now GuardiaN is the problem kappa

haha navi before last match was out, now they go straight to semis thats funny :P

So bad format. Facepalm.

2016-10-19 18:09

Edward <3

the most retarded system in CS history.

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nip fan spotted, cry more

i dont give a shit about NiP. You cant easily bet with this mode,lol!

but it is retarded system

it's retarded cause round difference matters?

2016-10-19 18:28

Hi khuya

uneven group. A is more competitive than B group. They should move either HR or frantic to A that would be more balanced groups.

NiP top 4 hahahaha , lel. rip [*] :D

2016-10-19 18:12

virtus pro fans...

2016-10-19 18:31

This particular retard loves all 1.6 legends except for f0rest and GeT_RiGhT. Has no respect for them.

2016-10-19 19:02

Why do you write "edge out" when NaVi destroyed NiP second map and first map was not even close. ..... How is this an edge?

NiP is back

Go home bots

I am FAR from a NiP fan, but this last place finish is pretty bullshit. Round difference should NEVER be used as a tiebreaker. Either have a format that won't allow for ties; or add tiebreaker matches and maybe seed them based on round difference (1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd).

gogo navi

What a STUPID format! NiP would've easily defeated every of those teams in bo3, but somehow it doesn't matter since you only need to win 50% of maps to be through - W!T!F! The round difference? Who even cares about it? Stupid shit.

Cool story bruuh

2016-10-19 18:34

Dignitas one round XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

2016-10-19 18:33

how all team results 3-3 and nip out ?

its round difference. nip lose 3-16 and it means less than losing 14-16

2016-10-19 18:38

Retarded rules

2016-10-19 21:01

My dick is safe hahaha Anyway its amazing to see nip out of groups cauz ppl saying they re top3-4 which wrong af.Dignitas G2 nv Fnatic these teams better than NiP.Im not hating NiP but delusional fanboys of NiP just cancer.Btw expect last map they played really good whole tournament i give them that 3-3 obv not bad result Also system not fucked up its like CL with advantage system which is nice

2016-10-19 18:36

delusional? you're pretty fucking delusional yourself. Just keeping quiet whenever NiP win something and when they get one bad result you come out of your cave and throw shit at them. I don't want to argue about whether NiP is top 3-4, but there is no logic at all in your argument. NiP has won both Starladder and DH Malmö... Oh and hello Jonathan E

2016-10-19 18:42

comment of the year <3

2016-10-19 18:44

People like you are even more cancerous than delusional fanboys

2016-10-19 19:41

i'm a bit biased but this format really sucks, cs is all about winning the game not rounds,isn't it?

2016-10-19 18:39

<3 Xizt

2016-10-19 19:30

Ruski flag kek

2016-10-21 09:22

yeah fuck this fucking event ruski bullshit

2016-10-19 18:40

how much, nip fang4y?

Round difference system sux.

why are people complaining if you want to advance, just win the maps and don't get into ties it's not anyone else fault if nip can't win ct antieco against dignitas on nuke or f0rest forgot which direction of the gun shoots bullets on overpass

ohh say this shit for dig - g2 -navi all 3-3 the lose mean lose if it 16-14 or its 16-1

2016-10-19 18:45

What you're saying is not how this tournament works. This is the preferable format. It should all add up in maps; wins and losses and the round difference shouldnt count. It was 3-3 across the entire board, but a team still got knocked out of the tournament. A few rounds here and there should not matter, it should be all about winning the game as a whole.

2016-10-19 20:21

A win is a win, it doesn't matter if its 16-14 or 16-3. CS is not about winning every specific round in a great manner, it's about forming a strategy to WIN the game, and sometimes you have to use some rounds as a way of resetting and reestablishing your economy, which means some rounds can easily go away and don't mean much for the game as a whole, but certainly a way of winning in the end.

Anti-Eco NICE youtube.com/watch?v=HTzDVgbQXXo

If teams looked at score to play this would break NiP could have got the 12th round and they could have been killing themselves every fucking round with taser and they would have won anyways. That's not how cs works imo.

2016-10-19 18:53

lol this format is not that good, i mean, they should do bo3 for them if all of them have 3 wins, r/d shouldnt be the key factor here

2016-10-19 18:58

NiP bots

2016-10-19 19:00

on overpass yes

2016-10-19 20:03

2:0 ez for Navi

2016-10-19 19:01

They went 1-1

2016-10-20 13:22

Format isn't that unfair, it's just that it's boring to watch and indecisive. I think every team should play one map against each other first before playing a team twice.

Edward is a legend, s1mple is rising legend.

This format didn't show who's the better team. Such a joke. This format generates a random winner. Whatever.

2016-10-19 19:09

Nope, NiP sucked hard in Overpass and did absolutely nothing. Instead Na'Vi played a decent Nuke and ended up with double digits. So no, it showed.

2016-10-19 19:15

Yea so it's 1-1. It doesn't matter how you win the game, you just win. The only thing that exists is win and loss, simple as that. A third map would make a difference for all the matches (i'm not talking only about this one).

2016-10-19 19:17

-10 RD NIP LUL

2016-10-19 19:12

Simple totally not carrying

then you didn't watch 2 maps.

2016-10-19 19:25

Got me brah

2016-10-19 19:28

Kick dumb forest.

Shitty format.. -.-

2016-10-19 19:59

BO2 round robin isn't bad at all. It's just trash as fuck it comes down to round difference. They should make the tied teams play a BO3 decider.

2016-10-19 19:27

What a retarded group system.. :/ BO2 games are so ridiculous... What means is the maps, and not the fucking round difference. This tournament was so, so stupid

2016-10-19 19:42

There is nothing wrong with the format. The teams are just rly close rn. Noone could have predicted this

2016-10-19 19:49

BO2 round robin is cool. The problem is the fact they're using round difference as the decider for tied teams when it should be a BO3.

2016-10-19 20:13

so true

2016-10-19 20:16

How the fuck does this work? All 3-3 but NiP goes out??

2016-10-19 21:00

bye NiP bye Pyth

2016-10-19 21:43

Amazing, all teams in group with same points.

2016-10-19 22:01

worst fuck shit ever what the actual fuck is this??? russians, russians everywhere.... they cant play cs, and they cant host tournaments. This is a disaster. Nip shouldnt be out, its so rigged this system. You dont give a fuck if you lose 1 map with 16-3. Fuck this tournament, im outtie

2016-10-20 01:22