Crouch-jump bug fix, Tec-9 changes in Beta update

In CS:GO Beta depot's newest update, Valve addressed the crouch-jump bug, removed the ability to do a silent jump, and made adjustments to the Tec-9.

The Beta update most importantly features a fix to the crouch-jump bug that was in heavy use by BIG in the PGL Major Krakow cycle, which resulted in heated discussions surrounding the use of the glitch at the Major itself in Poland, before all teams agreed not to use it throughout the remainder of the tournament.

Valve has now extended the camera height restriction system to mid-air cases so that the first-person camera is prevented from reaching higher than their head in third-person.

BIG's infamous crouch-jump mechanic has been addressed in Valve's Beta update

Furthermore, the jump technique thanks to which players were able to spot over various obstructions silently (by crouch-jumping and releasing crouch mid-air) has practically been removed, as such action will result in a landing sound in the newest Beta update.

The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols, which includes several changes to the popular Terrorist-sided weapon.

The full changelog of CS:GO Beta depot's 1.35.9.7-rc1 version can be seen below:

[GAMEPLAY]

  • Shipping initial changes to pistols with the goal of emphasizing skillful use of the weapons, beginning with the Tec-9.
  • Tec-9: The Tec-9 has been adjusted to emphasize aiming while retaining the weapon’s high mobility. The current changes include:
    • slightly improved accuracy when taking a single shot
    • significantly reduced accuracy when firing rapidly
    • magazine and reserve ammo reduced to 18 and 90, respectively
  • Extended the existing camera height restriction system to include cases where a player is in the air, preventing the first-person camera from rising above their third-person head.
  • Players will now make a landing sound if they un-crouch while crouch-jumping.
  • Fixed several inconsistencies where sounds were not broadcast when a player was occluded by a wall. (Thanks, simpleavaster!)

[LINUX]

  • Cleaned up the way CS:GO launches so there is one fewer process

[ GAMEPLAY ]
– Shipping initial changes to pistols with the goal of emphasizing skillful use of the weapons, beginning with the Tec-9.
— Tec-9: The Tec-9 has been adjusted to emphasize aiming while retaining the weapon’s high mobility. The current changes include:
– – slightly improved accuracy when taking a single shot
– – significantly reduced accuracy when firing rapidly
– – magazine and reserve ammo reduced to 18 and 90, respectively
– Extended the existing camera height restriction system to include cases where a player is in the air, preventing the first-person camera from rising above their third-person head.
– Players will now make a landing sound if they un-crouch while crouch-jumping.
– Fixed several inconsistencies where sounds were not broadcast when a player was occluded by a wall. (Thanks, simpleavaster!)

[ LINUX ]
– Cleaned up the way CS:GO launches so there is one fewer process

#1
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Other dancezila
+1
2017-08-03 04:08
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#128
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United States hehexddd
Five-Seven as well please. Like jesus christ it's almost as good as an m4 on B site inferno rofl.
2017-08-03 06:50
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#140
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Reunion drattus
Learn how to trade properly.
2017-08-03 07:19
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5 replies
+1
2017-08-03 09:31
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#289
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Germany pilpast
learn to use five seven properly if you disagree with that... trades depends also on your team mates little kid
2017-08-03 12:18
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#408
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United States hehexddd
I'm not dissing the m4, I'm just saying that the five seven is insane. If you position yourself smartly, stay mobile around smokes, and hit a couple popflashes, you can do tremendous damage with the five seven. I remember one game it was ridiculous, I was tired and was playign last game of the day so I said "Fuck it I'm going to use 5-7 only on B". It was insane. They couldn't touch b site because I was just running around headshotting them. Plus, since you have 20 bullets you can spray through smoke effectively too. I was able to drop so many weapons because I was only using the 5-7.
2017-08-03 21:02
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2 replies
Ecomeister :D
2017-08-03 22:47
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1 reply
#417
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United States hehexddd
x)
2017-08-04 00:09
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-1 its not "almost as good", its much better
2017-08-03 11:59
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The five seven is unplayable against at 64tick mm, the amount of times I've played wall bang and been run and gun head shotted getting into palace smh
2017-08-04 12:46
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2 replies
#439
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United States hehexddd
Oh 64 tick the problem is even worse, yes.
2017-08-05 00:31
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1 reply
Welp Five seven got nerfd
2017-08-20 20:39
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#442
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Taiwan rah(-_-)
I didn't know jesus was a B player
2017-08-06 02:00
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thank mr dev
2017-08-03 04:08
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3 replies
#6
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United States Dsyyy
+1
2017-08-03 04:09
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#178
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Armenia cGev
+1
2017-08-03 08:53
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+4213
2017-08-03 15:44
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#3
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Poland txm420
Rip tec
2017-08-03 04:09
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10 replies
They've made first shot moving accuracy even more powerful, and when standing the Tec-9 is more accurate than the AK. So no, it's not rip. Just more of Valve having no clue wtf they're doing. I blame Nomad. He told everyone to stop hating them.
2017-08-03 11:58
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9 replies
#313
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Belgium a.L1nK3D
Are you serious? players would spam the tec_9 to get the kill, now if you fire rapidly it becomes inaccurate so that's a plus! And if they have no idea what they are doing, you tell me what they should do..
2017-08-03 13:49
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6 replies
Have you checked the change log? The running accuracy has actually increased. The inaccuracy change only applies with full on spam. It won't change the use of the Tec-9 as a ridiculously OP pistol, just prevent solo rambos from decimating full buy rounds.
2017-08-03 13:53
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5 replies
Which is a plus. Also, it is much easier to just spam Mouse1 than to actually aim at your enemies head. So I'd say they made the tec 9 a more skillbased weapon than it was before. As long as it does not kill you with 1 bullet (which it still does for close ranges -> that is the real problem) the running accuracy is not that big of deal.
2017-08-03 15:41
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4 replies
I disagree - especially when you add it to online play.
2017-08-03 17:05
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2 replies
everyone is allowed to have an opinion, sadly yours is garbage :/
2017-08-03 19:07
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1 reply
Accurate username.
2017-08-03 19:20
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1shot hs on closerange wouldnt be such a big problem if m4 would do it aswell right? i mean isnt that the moment we all tilt into oblivion? you and enemy hs in the same moment u do 91 and he does 102 in 1 with a gun thats 6times cheaper that yours
2017-08-03 22:54
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#313
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Belgium a.L1nK3D
..
2017-08-03 13:50
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+1 and now rekt9 must have some kind of pattern when u spam it so.
2017-08-04 11:58
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#4
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United States MaceCS
Beta?!?!?!?! wtf?!?!?!
2017-08-03 04:09
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2 replies
#155
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Germany eryXn
Beta here just means that you can download the update and test it, before it gets officialy and entirely implented in the game. In case you were wondering :^)
2017-08-03 07:43
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#172
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Sweden Danzk1
in steam library right click csgo and choose properties > From the properties window select the tab titled "Betas". From this page select the applicable beta from the drop-down menu. take ok and the beta will install
2017-08-03 08:30
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Rip REKT-9, only 2 1/2 years since katowice 2015 too late. Press F to pay respects.
2017-08-03 04:09
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8 replies
5-7 CZ and p2 fiddy still 1 shot m4 can't
2017-08-03 04:10
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6 replies
#45
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Cuba mermelada
Can you not read? this is just beta update, full patch will include other pistol changes.
2017-08-03 04:23
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3 replies
Where did they say the actual patch will be more pistol changes
2017-08-03 15:26
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2 replies
#358
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Greece Swishh_
Not this patch, but the future ones
2017-08-03 16:04
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1 reply
Alright that's something to look forward to.
2017-08-03 16:49
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cz isnt 1shot.
2017-08-03 04:31
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1 reply
The CZ can 1hs, just only at really close range.
2017-08-03 05:07
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#182
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Armenia cGev
It is still pretty badass choice on Inferno Banana
2017-08-03 09:09
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Wow
2017-08-03 04:09
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OMG! Finally! We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL! Kreygasm
2017-08-03 04:09
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7 replies
#75
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Gabon Yao_Ming
SK won half rounds using Tec-9
2017-08-03 04:48
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5 replies
#254
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Sweden MrIgnii
Wtf cold dont use tec9 and i think felps dont use it aswell
2017-08-03 11:10
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4 replies
Lol RIP Tec-natic
2017-08-03 19:12
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3 replies
#396
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Sweden MrIgnii
Eh?
2017-08-03 19:51
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2 replies
2017-08-03 19:55
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1 reply
#400
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Sweden MrIgnii
I aren't think that
2017-08-03 20:02
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Friendly? Nah
2017-08-03 13:02
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Cz Time Bois
2017-08-03 04:10
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Fuck this update fck tc9
2017-08-03 04:10
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#15
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swag | 
Slovakia Destroy1337
Nice
2017-08-03 04:10
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Nice
2017-08-03 04:10
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5 replies
#148
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Finland Smoonah
yeah they actually fixed one thing without fking up another EleGiggle
2017-08-03 07:27
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4 replies
Not so fast ! The update is not official yet
2017-08-03 10:08
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2 replies
Yeah the Negev will shoot faster and the first 10-15 bullets that goes random wont spread
2017-08-03 11:15
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1 reply
#419
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Finland Smoonah
yea that part doesn't make any sense to me.
2017-08-04 00:23
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#304
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Sweden aer1aL
Tec9's first shot is more accurate than an AK47 while standing still, but you are pretty much dead if you stand still against a CT so yeah.
2017-08-03 12:57
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What about all the other pistols ???
2017-08-03 04:10
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6 replies
#82
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United Kingdom an0^_^
"Shipping initial changes to pistols with the goal of emphasizing skillful use of the weapons, beginning with the Tec-9." Next time maybe read :D
2017-08-03 04:59
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2 replies
#315
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Belgium a.L1nK3D
+1
2017-08-03 13:51
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sniped
2017-08-06 13:52
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#335
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Portugal Zedonp
Is it that hard to read and understand your own language. And people wonder why we call muricans dumb
2017-08-03 14:46
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2 replies
#402
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Sweden MrIgnii
Ikr
2017-08-03 20:03
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1 reply
+1
2017-08-03 22:14
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#19
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ZywOo | 
Qatar takecarem8
Noicee, wp valve
2017-08-03 04:10
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Less Tec-9 spam? Sweet.
2017-08-03 04:10
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Finally Valve listened to us about the overpowered pistols!!!
2017-08-03 04:10
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Now nerf 5-7 :)
2017-08-03 04:10
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tec9 nerf RIP :_(
2017-08-03 04:10
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#29
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France Orkanger
Gg
2017-08-03 04:11
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#31
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Russia EgoPudgeR
HEY, VALVE, FIX GLOCK, IT'S A WATER PISTOL!
2017-08-03 04:12
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3 replies
Why the fuck would they make a pistol that is supposed to only be used in pistol rounds/ low economy rounds better? It's not needed at all I bet u are that guy in matchmaking that goes mid as T on mirage on the pistol round, insta die and rage at the team.
2017-08-03 07:23
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2 replies
#147
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Russia EgoPudgeR
U r not right, my rank is supreme and i just hate when glock does 50 damage in 6 hits....
2017-08-03 07:25
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1 reply
#244
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Denmark Lamot
Glock > usb/p2k at close range and the other way around at long distance fights. That seems fair to me.
2017-08-03 11:01
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Ffs they did it
2017-08-03 04:12
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Valve's previous changes to the pistols were a great start, hopefully they continue down that path.
2017-08-03 04:13
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#42
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United States ViKaLiBuR
I use CZ anyways
2017-08-03 04:16
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11 replies
Cz is shit , you cant ace with a cz its only good for 1 kill max 2
2017-08-03 06:23
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10 replies
#130
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France oldman
2017-08-03 06:58
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9 replies
youtube.com/watch?v=3dk3PwwCDTg kennyS CZ Ace vs dignitas
2017-08-03 08:14
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8 replies
#188
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
England azrl
Yes but KennyS is one of the best players in the world... I doubt your average csgo gamer could do anything like that :D
2017-08-03 09:24
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7 replies
Exactly , realistically speaking you cant ace with a cz
2017-08-03 15:20
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6 replies
#420
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France oldman
realistically u are stupid, kennys playing agaist top teams, i'm really doubt u can find any good player in mm
2017-08-04 02:13
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5 replies
1. i dont play mm 2. your english is garbage 3. you are probably that typical teeanger noob who is talking like he's pro . 4. you're incoherent.
2017-08-04 02:16
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4 replies
#422
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France oldman
i don't give a fuck about english, it's not my native language. i provide u facts about cz, u definitely can kill 2 more enemys. but u are silver newfag so it's impossible for u
2017-08-04 02:31
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Its not my native language is not an excuse in 2017 , it isnt my native language either but you're incoherent af. Also showing me a video of shroud having an ace with cz doesnt mean shit , its so rare that its irrelevant (actually he admitted himself it was "the stupidest ace ever"). i bet you never had an ace with cz in your life and you never will. You're just talking typical noob fantasies here because tec9 is definetly more efficient than cz in this game
2017-08-04 05:22
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2 replies
#428
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France oldman
like i said, u are silver scrub u are clearly don't know nothing about this game stick with ur english. that gonna make u successful in ur life. peace out newfag
2017-08-04 06:12
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1 reply
lmao, you're clueless and i rekt you hard.
2017-08-04 06:15
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#44
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India TKPG
Volvo pls fix 5-7 as well
2017-08-03 04:19
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#46
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United States st4rsh0t
Good thing I just bought a sweet CZ skin
2017-08-03 04:23
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1 reply
You realize tec 9 is still better on T side lol. But five seven is shit compared to cz IF YOUR GOOD.
2017-08-04 19:30
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#49
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Portugal Cyborgy
so is there a way of jumping and not making noise at all now? why didnt they remove only the bug but added that wtf
2017-08-03 04:24
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16 replies
Jumping and not making noise was a bug
2017-08-03 04:27
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7 replies
#56
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ZELIN | 
Portugal Cyborgy
well its been around since forever,even in 1.6 you could jump without making noise if the player model bug didnt happen valve wouldnt fix that,dunno its just weird but oh well i guess everything makes noise in client side now
2017-08-03 04:29
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3 replies
The other bug was around since 1.6 aswell. It's no proper argument.
2017-08-03 09:55
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Eh, imo, just because its been around for a while doesnt mean it should automatically be part of the game forever
2017-08-03 11:54
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#426
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Norway slacky
I smell a newbie.. People who barely plays has no idea the impact such an dumb change has.. And fyi, +crouch jump -crouch sends you half as high as a normal jump. Further more, it's been a part of CS since it's birth, and never have I seen anyone wanting that feature gone. So removal of it was just stupidity.
2017-08-04 04:16
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#76
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African Union Nors3
Agree
2017-08-03 04:48
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1 reply
Yes
2017-08-03 15:29
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#286
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Sweden Busfisk
how are simple game physics a bug
2017-08-03 12:14
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#55
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Belgium TomorrowLandOfficial
What do you mean? If you jump you can't hear the noise, but the surrounding people (teammates and enemies) are able to hear the sound of you jumping. That's in the game since forever.
2017-08-03 04:29
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#57
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ZELIN | 
Portugal Cyborgy
im sorry I mis typed that. I wanted to say "so there's no way of jumping and not making noise at all" im sleepy
2017-08-03 04:30
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#62
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Belgium TomorrowLandOfficial
I don't think there was a way of doing that. As I said above if you ever thought there was something like "jumping without making noise" in csgo - that was never like that. I'm quite confused about your question. You can jump (I think still) and crouch or whatever the combo was, you can't hear the sound of you actually jumping, but the people around you can. The same thing goes for spectators (dead cam) - they can hear a little bit more than the actual players and they can see better in the smokes by like 0.5s. compared to the player you are spectating. Those are the things in the game that have been around forever, and I don't see volvo fixing them in the near future.
2017-08-03 04:34
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#66
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ZELIN | 
Portugal Cyborgy
before there were people doing the "jump bug" without knowing there was a player model bug because it was the only way of making a silent jump (uncrouching after crouching) either in client side or enemy side. Now it's impossible,i know its not that big of a change but they could had just removed the player model bug and let that feature stay and,let's say work on the spec smoke bug
2017-08-03 04:41
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#68
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Belgium TomorrowLandOfficial
Well probably you are right. I'm not developer, so I don't know how their code works and if they were actually able to fix the problem without having any other impacts on the other things.
2017-08-03 04:42
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You used to be able to jump without making noise for both you and the rest of the players
2017-08-03 07:45
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crouch jumping to a higher elevation is still silent tho right? i thought this patch only made crouch jump on same level make sounds
2017-08-03 04:44
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#362
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Turkey gkdenqq
actually there is.but not affective at all.for example there is a 5 step stair and you jump and crouch at 1st step to 3rd step it wont make sound. (i think) sorry for my bad englando
2017-08-03 16:22
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#53
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Brazil GKR48
Rip tec9
2017-08-03 04:29
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#54
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United States TheViggs
Sounds like a buff to me lol
2017-08-03 04:29
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#247
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Switzerland NAjKON
exactly, ez one taps brotha
2017-08-03 11:05
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1 reply
#365
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States TheViggs
Exactly im a burger and even I know you don't need all that ammo
2017-08-03 16:39
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#59
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Estonia BlameS
they need to reduce damage done by pistols and buff m4a1-s.
2017-08-03 04:32
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and a4, a1-s does a tiny bit more damage already. i think its dumb you have to shoot a guy 5 times in the body to kill them, both are basically a famas with a better spray pattern
2017-08-03 04:47
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12 replies
yeah , i sometimes wonder aswell what is the fucking difference between famas and m4 ? its literally the same gun just less expensive.
2017-08-03 05:58
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7 replies
i just hope that they can fix the goddamn dink animation its so annoying when ur bullets just go into oblivion
2017-08-03 08:29
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i feel the same way bro
2017-08-03 10:02
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#226
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Romania Tise
Isn't Famas' fire rate slower though ? Edit:Same fire rate as a4, slightly faster than a1-S.
2017-08-03 10:22
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2 replies
#318
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Belgium a.L1nK3D
I miss the old a1-s fire rate
2017-08-03 13:55
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1 reply
#379
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Spain 1996
we all do
2017-08-03 18:25
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#332
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World awn100
FAMAS has more damage drop off than any M4 so it will take 1 more bullet at say medium and further range to kill. At say medium range vs head armor+100hp enemy it will take 1 headshot+2 chest or arm shot to kill whereas both M4 will always take 1 headshot and 1 chest shot to kill besides extreme distances. youtu.be/tRyV8gRNbCY?t=1m29s Both M4s have better significantly better accuracy than FAMAS full auto mode but not its burst mode.
2017-08-03 14:36
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true
2017-08-03 19:26
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one thing i noticed is, the a4 does more damage to the legs, close to the belt, you can kill with only 3 shots.
2017-08-03 06:56
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hmm thats actually very useful to know ty
2017-08-03 10:00
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u have a better firerate tho
2017-08-03 10:05
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1 reply
yea but 5 bullets or more deep into a spray to kill 1 guy that becomes insignificant imo since its already too long
2017-08-03 10:07
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#60
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Indonesia rareguy
So with this update: - Silent jump when uncrouching mid-crouch-jumping. - Tec-9 was idealized for tapping. - They planned to do this pistol idealization for T's somewhere in the future.
2017-08-03 04:33
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#67
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Brazil hugoooo
I don't see this as a 'bug fix'... since it will be possible from far without any changes. It's more a 'nerf'. If you're close enough you will be able to hear the guy doing it, it won't change the fact that he will see you and you will not see him, so it still will be used.
2017-08-03 04:42
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#79
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United Kingdom HighVoltage
+1, they haven't fixed it at all. The main problems where this was an issue are top banana on inferno and whitebox on cache, so this "fix" is useless to both of those. Another was the hay bails on inferno and they will only be heard from apps if they jump there. They need to remove this bug completely as people jumping whitebox and banana can still get free info without any compromises and throw perfect nades / perfect prefires
2017-08-03 04:56
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#96
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Brazil SomeJonne
Are we reading the same patch notes my friend? "Extended the existing camera height restriction system to include cases where a player is in the air, preventing the first-person camera from rising above their third-person head." #runSKG
2017-08-03 05:17
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#97
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NBK- | 
United Kingdom HighVoltage
My bad, it's late and I really couldn't be asked to try and understand what that means. But it doesn't really matter now? The main issue was the player couldn't be seen, now he can so it really doesn't matter as he can't get free info and can be killed for trying to get the info
2017-08-03 05:23
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yea valve took the lazy fix as usual. showing how much they care....
2017-08-03 10:08
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8 replies
#359
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Greece Swishh_
Maybe you took the lazy way and didn't even bother reading the patch notes before commenting
2017-08-03 16:08
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7 replies
when was i talking to you? and my point is valid fool
2017-08-03 16:54
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you never even made a point, and apparently you cant read your native language properly, expected from UK brain :(
2017-08-03 19:16
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3 replies
"Valve took the lazy fix". think your mom didnt wash your mouth for you today. because you are still chatting shit
2017-08-03 20:51
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"valve took the lazy fix" holy shit what a elaborate argument, spoken like a true reddit gold nova. also #96 already explained (or rather quoted) how this change/fix was indeed done properly by valve, so your point is entirely wrong. you cant read, you cant think, maybe you are just lazy for not fixing your fucking brain. thx
2017-08-03 22:30
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an "elaborate argument" or the answer to your stupid comment? you disabled inbred. the point from my original comment was me saying valve took the lazy fix which your disabled brain couldn't process as a statement. there is nothing to discuss and no argument. go shove another dildo up your ass you fuckboy. you brought this upon yourself chatting shit on hltv cos thats your life
2017-08-03 22:43
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#399
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Greece Swishh_
what point lol
2017-08-03 19:57
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1 reply
valve took the lazy fix.
2017-08-03 20:51
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"Extended the existing camera height restriction system to include cases where a player is in the air, preventing the first-person camera from rising above their third-person head." Did you miss reading this? The player model will still not be visible if the player does the correct sequence for the crouch-jump bug like usual; with the only difference being the fact that the player using said jump will not be able to see over the object their crouch-jumping in front of.
2017-08-03 11:00
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#69
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United Kingdom PompeiLad
All this during the TI for dota2? Volvo must love us again xD xD xD
2017-08-03 04:43
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1 reply
#253
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Switzerland NAjKON
There is staff working on csgo and other staff on different games
2017-08-03 11:09
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Still 3 guns under $800 dollars that can one hit fa helmet point-blank while a rifle that costs more than 10x one of these pistols can't. GJ Valve.
2017-08-03 04:43
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#80
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NBK- | 
United Kingdom HighVoltage
While this sounds extremely retarded in writing, it's not actually that much of an issue really is it. If running and shooting with pistols was removed, I would be perfectly happy with everything else in the game
2017-08-03 04:57
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5 replies
+1 want to see Run&Gun gone and please add M4's 1 shot HS point-blank
2017-08-03 04:58
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#83
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
NBK- | 
United Kingdom HighVoltage
idk about m4s 1shot hs, it would be op asf for cts. Almost all encounters cts take are closer range due to the fact that T's have to push into a confined bombsite to do so. Also don't forget that by the time players push a site in most buy rounds theyve taken nade damage or what ever so the chances of a 1hit kill are already quite high, 100hp is a nice advantage for T's to have tbh
2017-08-03 05:00
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3 replies
WTF someone on HLTV has changed my mind about CS dafuq? TY my genocidal friend.
2017-08-03 05:02
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Great comment +100000/8
2017-08-03 06:18
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You deserve an award. You changed the way I think of the game.
2017-08-03 07:29
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#77
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
African Union Nors3
Good update and moves. Thank mr dev
2017-08-03 04:49
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#84
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Russia accn
finally they making it similar to 5-7
2017-08-03 05:00
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"significantly reduced accuracy when firing rapidly" "magazine and reserve ammo reduced to 18 and 90, respectively" LUL RIP Tec-9
2017-08-03 05:03
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#87
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Russia accn
rip noobs running and spamming with tec9, now it need some aim skills to use it
2017-08-03 05:05
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#91
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Gabon Yao_Ming
RIP SK-Gaming Statistically won the most force buy rounds past 2 years out of all the teams.
2017-08-03 05:08
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#95
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Brazil hugoooo
Yu clearly don't watch their games then, 'cause they don't rely on tec-9's... They use more CZ's and Deagles.
2017-08-03 05:15
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Thats on ct sides because in t sides they abuse tec9's alot
2017-08-03 06:18
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1 reply
only fer. sk actually rarely use them like astralis
2017-08-03 10:20
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#257
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Denmark Lamot
Uhm fallen ALWAYS have a tec-9 to backup his awp on t-side
2017-08-03 11:14
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Except if you actually look at statistics every member of SK with the exception of Fallen has the most kills with the tec9 than any other bought pistol. Even with fallen the difference between the p250 and tec9 is 1 kill. Fer is the biggest abuser of the tec with taco following behind. Use statistics not opinions when stating facts.
2017-08-03 18:54
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#444
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Denmark Lamot
But still most of the time when he have an awp he also have a tec9 in his bag. I did not say anything about how many kills he gets with it though.
2017-08-09 15:35
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I replied to the wrong person, i was supposed to reply to hugoooo
2017-08-09 15:44
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thanks valve but to tec-9 be perfect up to 24 bullets and nerf the 1hs kill.
2017-08-03 05:11
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Rip tec9
2017-08-03 05:12
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nice. next is 57
2017-08-03 05:30
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#103
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Ethiopia aNCIOn
57 next pls.
2017-08-03 05:36
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thank mr simpleavaster
2017-08-03 05:37
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Good update
2017-08-03 05:44
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5-7 needs to be nerfed
2017-08-03 05:49
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2 replies
And add more ammo to CZ, also fix the drawing time when you have 12/0 in the mag
2017-08-03 05:50
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1 reply
#424
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Belgium a.L1nK3D
This /\
2017-08-04 03:23
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its not a big deal , tec9 is still nuts just like five seven. they need to fix the dmg . pistols should never do 100+ dmg at any distance unless its a deagle. its so fucking annoying when p250 > m4 close range for example.
2017-08-03 05:52
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#113
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SpawN | 
Netherlands militanthumanist
well, they fix the running accuracy, the main problem with the tec-9
2017-08-03 06:06
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no , they reduced accuracy when rapid firing , read again. so you basically cannot use it like an smg but still its a pistol with 18 clip with 1 tap potential. they made it kinda like five seven because they also improved the 1 tap accuracy but it still has the rapid fire potential in close range despite losing accuracy. so they havent done much , its still op for a 500$ pistol just like five seven
2017-08-03 06:10
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#124
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SpawN | 
Netherlands militanthumanist
Well aybe first see how it works out. Of course it stil has the rapid fire potential close range, that is the thing with pistols.
2017-08-03 06:29
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now have more precision than a ak lul its like a 500$ ak. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/6r..
2017-08-03 07:54
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#300
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Sweden aer1aL
It's not a 500$ ak LMAO, You will get one tapped in the head if you try to shoot while STANDING STILL, you are like fish in a barrel when you stand still in a fast-paced game like CSGO lmao
2017-08-03 12:52
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2 replies
ez adad precise, ez strafe prefire shot?
2017-08-03 15:32
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1 reply
#355
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Sweden aer1aL
against gold novas
2017-08-03 15:38
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#121
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Italy CHONGYWON
About god damn time they start doing good things for the community
2017-08-03 06:19
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#132
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United States NA_CS_FAN
rip tec 9
2017-08-03 06:59
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#133
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Hungary etneveL
Finally something is happening at Valve.It's a Fix! PogChamp
2017-08-03 07:06
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GG csgo.... I'll wait until how every pistols to get change.... tec9 was okay.... 57 was the big problem... rip csgo.
2017-08-03 07:30
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How was the tec9 okay? It is broken, even moreso than the five seven, the only reason the five seven is perceived more over powered is due to holding on the CT side with a pistol at close range is more powerful than rushing on the T side but if you take position out of it then the tec is more overpowered.
2017-08-03 09:29
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#381
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Spain 1996
+1
2017-08-03 18:27
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rip tec9 hello cz75
2017-08-03 07:41
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now tec9 is more precise than a ak lul reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/6r..
2017-08-03 07:51
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3 replies
Wouldn't that make it a pretty amazing pistol round buy? It would kind of make the deagle buy on pistol rounds useless since it would do the exact same thing only with more bullets and still higher running accuracy.
2017-08-03 08:59
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#231
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Ireland SuperPavlo
Nah, not really. I sometimes buy deagle for maps like mirage, cache where I can go for a mid peek against a USP and often win it. Not able to do it with a tec-9 on that range.
2017-08-03 10:30
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I do that too but if the tec is more accurate than the AK for first bullet in the recent "nerf" then it is entirely possible to do both of those things with the tec9 instead of the deagle.
2017-08-03 11:07
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#164
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Other plath - <3 wayLander
lol only took them like 1.5-2 years to respond to criticism of the tec 9? wa0w
2017-08-03 08:16
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#166
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Brazil ^7|1
KEK-9
2017-08-03 08:20
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I decided to use cz so.... np. tip for tec9.... use double tapping. But the purpose for tec9 is.... fast spraying while rushing.... RIP for me.... out of useful for me.
2017-08-03 08:27
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R.I.P MY SKINS
2017-08-03 08:29
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#173
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Macau Never get tired
> slightly improved accuracy when taking a single shot Only slightly? Tec-9 was the pistol designed only for spamming, because it hit nothing with one-shots (except for lucky shots that CS:GO is so famous for). It costs 500$, isn't it enough to be first-shot accurate? > significantly reduced accuracy when firing rapidly ROFL no run-n-gun anymore xD Do the same to 5-7 too. > magazine and reserve ammo reduced to 18 and 90, respectively Sounds like bullshit. 5-7 has 20/100 and better moving/spamming accuracy. > preventing the first-person camera from rising above their third-person head I can't get just 1 thing - this bug must've been existing for years, how did their "cool" game devs missed it when coding the game and allowed the camera to be outside player's head? May be it's time to fix your shit brought by July's sound updates? Oh I forgot - Valve's logic is "if our poorly-optimized game runs poorly since any update - go buy a new PC because our hands grow out of our buttcheeks and we don't know how to optimize the code".
2017-08-03 08:38
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#290
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Brazil SomeJonne
The camera bug was probably from when they made the first person camera match your character's 3rd person behaviour, and that wasn't that long ago iirc. #runSKG
2017-08-03 12:20
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and what about the five seven???? it's even worse than the tec9
2017-08-03 08:38
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5 replies
#195
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Germany RoscHii
are you fucking complaining fucking kids even fucking read the articles!??! its right up there.
2017-08-03 09:41
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1. you're calling kid a 33 year old 2. there's no need to cuss 3. as i said, the 5-7 is arguably in worse state than the tec9
2017-08-03 09:50
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3 replies
#234
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Germany RoscHii
The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the first step towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols v
2017-08-03 10:36
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"The developers have also addressed the Tec-9 as the ***FIRST STEP*** towards "emphasizing skillful use" of pistols" and i'm complaining about the 5-7 not being such ***FIRST STEP***. get it now?
2017-08-03 11:26
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1 reply
people never happy, always complaining ffs
2017-08-03 19:29
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RIP KEK9
2017-08-03 08:45
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I really hope the five seven and the p250 get changed also, no pistol except the deagle should be a one shot headshot on head armoured opponents. Just please valve, do not change the deagle, nobody wants that change.
2017-08-03 08:56
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2 replies
#260
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Switzerland NAjKON
They should reduce deagle spray abilities and increase one tapping accuracy ez
2017-08-03 11:18
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1 reply
That would basically become an awp
2017-08-03 15:34
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gg i ll use cz
2017-08-03 09:06
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#185
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Hong Kong TROIIDA
Fix the fucking Glock RNG cancer already.
2017-08-03 09:13
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4 replies
#196
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Germany RoscHii
mad cuz bad, glock is awesome
2017-08-03 09:41
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3 replies
#385
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Hong Kong TROIIDA
yeah, i remember jumping out long getting headshots while bursting. is that what you call awesome? idiot.
2017-08-03 18:47
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2 replies
glock is pretty good, it should have more armour pen
2017-08-04 08:25
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1 reply
#441
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Hong Kong TROIIDA
something like that, or less random accuracy
2017-08-05 02:05
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#186
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Slovakia sanjuro
really this is the beginning of the cs go fall with these pistols
2017-08-03 09:14
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#187
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Norway Phancy11
What are people talking about? Big stopped use this bug right after they were asked about it. So they beat SK without using this. (yes I know LEGIJA used it ONCE, but it didnt affect the game)
2017-08-03 09:17
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1 reply
#299
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Sweden aer1aL
Big stopped use this bug LEGIJA used it
2017-08-03 12:49
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Nice , but when we get new anti cheat , 128tick servers , Russia gets its own servers , pistols needs to be nerfed at close range and where is source 2 engine , i thought they will release it this summer. A lot of things need to be changed but its a good start.
2017-08-03 09:27
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3 replies
#202
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India Gandhii4
128 tick MM servers are coming probably this year
2017-08-03 09:48
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1 reply
Why ? Because shroud said it ?
2017-08-03 15:36
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#364
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United Kingdom PompeiLad
you could only ask for so much my fren
2017-08-03 16:24
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#200
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Romania Tise
Finally they've ballanced KEK-9.
2017-08-03 09:48
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- slightly improved accuracy when taking a single shot whats the point of this. it will be still OP or even more
2017-08-03 09:57
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#208
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
France louisvuitton
Fix all run & shoot guns, casual bullshit.
2017-08-03 10:00
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#212
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Malaysia bukit
Nice change, but not enough to make me back into csgo lul. Nerf all oerpowered pistols, look at their price and compare with rifles's... zzz
2017-08-03 10:02
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I hope that Valve rapidly apply fixes to all pistols, they can't go that progressively on this, it's an urgent matter.
2017-08-03 10:06
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Why do you call it BIG jump? Just no hate pls. They got the win against SK without it.. so they got into the playoffs because they were good and not because of the crouch jump.
2017-08-03 10:21
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#230
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Sweden Zolity
No change to the p25 or five-seven? ffs valve
2017-08-03 10:25
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#238
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Norway Luke Earthwalker
BabyRage mooom they killed me with pistol moom BabyRage
2017-08-03 10:41
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valve actually doing a decent job for once? what is this witchery? fake news?
2017-08-03 11:03
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#248
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Finland Habanos
Silent jump has been part of the game since the very first version of counter-strike. Holy fucking shit how clueless the devs are
2017-08-03 11:05
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7 replies
#279
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Busfisk
+1 it's simple game physics and nobody wanted it gone.
2017-08-03 12:05
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6 replies
#296
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Sweden aer1aL
Wow dude, you are so mad because of the BUG being removed. It was gamebreaking.
2017-08-03 12:48
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5 replies
#383
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Busfisk
Newschooler moron. Do you really not get the difference between the jumpbug and silent jumping?
2017-08-03 18:34
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4 replies
#388
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Sweden aer1aL
kys
2017-08-03 19:11
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3 replies
#395
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Busfisk
No. It's literally been there for over 17 years and it's never been a problem.
2017-08-03 19:47
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2 replies
But its so stupid there is no way to jump without making sound
2017-08-03 21:15
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1 reply
#416
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Busfisk
how is it any diffeent from walking silently?
2017-08-03 23:13
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Better fix VAC error on Windows. I hate it so much ... especially when playing mm ... You earn so much money on this broken game and can't fix such a serious problem.
2017-08-03 11:07
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1 reply
#327
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FalleN | 
World Vechnyp
What typically causes this error? There are a number of common software conflicts that can cause this error. If you are running any of the following software, please disable it while playing: CCleaner Powershell Sandboxie Cheat Engine IObit Start Menu 8 Process Hacker DLL Injectors Hypervisors Steam Idlers reported for cheating
2017-08-03 14:17
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#255
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Nepal hpbaxx
so you still get the visual advantage from the jump?
2017-08-03 11:10
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THEY'RE DOING ITTTT PISTOL NERFS
2017-08-03 11:15
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#262
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f0rest | 
Ukraine lukas_ua
Fps drops and steam gui not responding properly to windows shutdown seems not to be addressed
2017-08-03 11:23
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1 reply
#382
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Spain 1996
Works® On My Machine™
2017-08-03 18:34
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RIP crouchjump
2017-08-03 11:46
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rekt-9 became rip-9
2017-08-03 11:51
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#269
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Lithuania pkauf
i still use the jump bug and it works lol
2017-08-03 11:51
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1 reply
#281
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Sweden jockez
Because this update isnt live yet. Literally says in the first sentence: "In CS:GO Beta depot's newest update"
2017-08-03 12:08
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#273
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Poland WindyB
nooooice!
2017-08-03 11:54
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#277
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Busfisk
"Players will now make a landing sound if they un-crouch while crouch-jumping." Nobody asked for this. It's used for silent movement. It's not a bug. You don't generate sound if you don't fall far enough, which uncrouching prevents. It makes perfect sense. Valve are completly out of touch.
2017-08-03 12:03
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2 replies
#288
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Brazil SomeJonne
Are you mad? It was a bug. #runSKG
2017-08-03 12:16
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1 reply
#384
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Busfisk
You can't tell the difference between the jumpbug and silent jumping. They're different concepts, moron.
2017-08-03 18:36
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#278
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World plus1
This team name gonna be useless Forcebuy (with tec9 logo static.hltv.org/images/team/logo/7732 )
2017-08-03 12:05
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#282
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden jockez
Yaay more running first headshot accuracy! Hurray and its now more accurate than an ak on long range, hurray volvo lets go!!
2017-08-03 12:10
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#283
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Serbia dankooo
so they made it more precise lul
2017-08-03 12:11
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N1 valve
2017-08-03 12:12
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#287
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Spain Alser
gj Valve
2017-08-03 12:16
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#292
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Finland ginbay
Yes no more "I say we run and gun"
2017-08-03 12:32
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#295
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Sweden aer1aL
Is VALVe starting to care about the game again?
2017-08-03 12:47
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finally eco rounds become eco
2017-08-03 12:48
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#303
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Puerto Rico pain^
finally they nerfed the fucking tec-9
2017-08-03 12:55
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why is this on Beta while the changes like adding a retarded map (Canals) with a lot of bugs wasn't on Beta lol
2017-08-03 13:04
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2 replies
#377
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World awn100
Because the gameplay changes affects every game no matter the map whereas bugs on Canal only affect itself.
2017-08-03 17:47
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1 reply
and matchmaking system
2017-08-03 17:56
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#311
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United Arab Emirates sv_salt
Great, now I can hit headshots first time with a Rec-9 too
2017-08-03 13:27
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#320
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
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Moldova OptimusBlyad
nice update
2017-08-03 13:55
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#321
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Denmark Ippoc
Nice update, at least they are adressing the issues.
2017-08-03 13:56
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noice
2017-08-03 14:03
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#324
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Europe Kaymak
Finally
2017-08-03 14:09
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RiP KEK9
2017-08-03 14:14
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#326
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
FalleN | 
World Vechnyp
Shipping initial changes to pistols with the goal of emphasizing skillful use of the weapons, beginning with the Tec-9. so it took almost 5 years to finally realize that LUL
2017-08-03 14:16
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Now do something with PP-Bizon, such a useless gun
2017-08-03 14:24
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1 reply
#368
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Australia SUNSPY
Ya lol make it the coverfire antieco smg :P could be fun with either more damage or negevlaser with the current damage
2017-08-03 16:46
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nerf deag pls
2017-08-03 14:29
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1 reply
#367
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Australia SUNSPY
Deagle is pretty insane for doing damage on ecos, not like you can avoid some situations with good anti-eco practices either! just.. instant death
2017-08-03 16:44
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#331
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roman | 
Palestine ndr[o]
oh really? now they wanna start adressing the pistols.... well, good i gave up on the game and deleted it months ago
2017-08-03 14:30
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What about boosting rifles armor penetration already ? Kinda funny that strongest weapons cant sometimes kill with 4 clean hits.
2017-08-03 14:43
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#337
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Brazil FuRiouSzZ
TEC-9 Morphs into TAP-9
2017-08-03 14:47
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First step for pistols, nice!
2017-08-03 14:53
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#341
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United States Felipelok
the five-seven is ridiculously strong and accurate. Should reduce a little bit of the damage and accuracy
2017-08-03 15:01
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#342
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden NiPisVeryBad
Its time to dig up all the posts and discussion i have had with several german retards who didnt believe that this jump bug would be fixed.. I would like to thanks my mom my dad my dog and my friends :) I do have friends.. Atleast one.
2017-08-03 15:03
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beta bitches nurf tec-9.... whats next deagle will not juan deag anymore????
2017-08-03 15:04
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#344
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Greece Troboni
AT LAST FUCKING TEC 9
2017-08-03 15:04
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#346
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
KRIMZ | 
Sweden FnerZy
I just hope they don't nerf the CZ, it doesn't need it.
2017-08-03 15:15
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#366
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Australia SUNSPY
<3 Valve
2017-08-03 16:41
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#375
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Brazil l17arB
18 and 90
2017-08-03 17:14
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ez silver sprays
2017-08-03 20:13
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#410
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal afcbarroso
Hopefully people will use the Dual Berettas more often from now on, this Tec-9 magazine reduction was long overdue.
2017-08-03 22:03
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Hitbox fixes? Movement fixes? anything like that coming in the future?
2017-08-04 00:21
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#423
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Hungary pedaz
Next on list: After months of "public testing", negev and r8 are enabled in professional competitions. Fixed reloadsound not following the playermodel. <3 Volvo
2017-08-04 03:23
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five-seven is stronger than tec-9 even before this nerf but i guess it's only fair since CT economy is riskier and so the five-seven gives more chance to come back
2017-08-04 10:58
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#432
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France BOOSKA
And D2 ?
2017-08-04 11:07
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