The Majors: Ideas for the future

1-2-2018 16:49

With the ELEAGUE Major in Boston behind us, we asked different members of the community to share their thoughts on what could be done so future Majors remain the most prestigious events of the circuit.

After three long weeks in Atlanta and Boston, the first tournament of the new year, and the first Major of the two this year, is behind us. Looking back, the ELEAGUE Major left us several great memories including one of the most memorable finals in the history of the Majors, the crowning of the first North American team as Major champions, and the story of Quantum Bellator Fire, a rag-tag CIS team that went from being the tournament underdogs to finishing top 8.

The Majors have been criticized for not being as prestigious as in the past

Looking towards the future, we asked several community members to give their input on how Valve's flagship tournament can remain the game's crown jewel. Players Gabriel "⁠FalleN⁠" Toledo, Nathan "⁠NBK-⁠" Schmitt, Finn "⁠karrigan⁠" Andersen, and Martin "⁠STYKO⁠" Styk, as well as coach Wilton "⁠zews⁠" Prado and broadcast talent Anders "⁠Anders⁠" Blume, Jason "⁠moses⁠" O'Toole, and Janko "⁠YNk⁠" Paunović give their thoughts on CS:GO's biggest events of the year.

Some of the topics discussed in the video are the Minors, 24-team Majors, sticker money and new ways to fund the prize pool, tournament formats, and coaching, among others. Watch the video below:

MUM IM FIRST HOLY SHIT

2018-02-01 16:50

27 replies

gratz xd

8 replies

EPICENTER

2018-02-01 16:51

6 replies

Valve Should Secure the teams spot to the major. That would be nice, There a multibillion dollar company i'm sure they could easily assist teams and players to make sure they can attend the major.

2018-02-01 17:22

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sure, there are also a lot of high value sponsorships around. shouldnt be hard to deal with hotels and so on. but remember its still volvo. but you are totaly right my friend!

2018-02-01 17:28

Can’t agree more, to many teams not making it :(

2018-02-01 19:58

ECS

2018-02-01 18:03

faceit*

2018-02-01 18:05

1 reply

mlg

2018-02-01 18:54

friendly turk spotted

not impressive

expected from germanistan

For gods sake, just give us another copy of Dreamhack Winter 2014.

You're an understanding fella.

2018-02-01 16:56

md5 pliz !

2018-02-01 17:01

How to fix majors 1 Larger prize pool 4-5 mil 2 EU arena 3 Fix the qualification process

2018-02-01 17:05

10 replies

+1 also fix the seeding

2018-02-01 17:09

Yeah I was about to vomit from the smell of bullshit watching the seeding

2018-02-01 20:00

>NiP flair >complaining about qual process choose both

2018-02-01 17:10

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Uk Major Choose 1

2018-02-01 17:12

why would I inform you of when a uk player gets into major qual? firstly NiP didn't even make it to the last major quals. secondly the fact you have to try and compare my nationality to the csgo scene shows that you know I am right as you cant respond with any logical mature response for discussion

2018-02-01 17:13

">NiP flair >complaining about qual process choose both" "logical mature response for discussion" choose one

2018-02-01 17:57

4-5 mil is not real as now it is 1 mil :v maybe in 4-5 years :v +I agree with UE location (no visa problems, good hours for everyone) and agree qualification system is fucked up :c

2018-02-01 18:49

Good idea. Maybe they shouldnt even up the prizepool. I think they just need to introduce a tracker for stickermoney. Eventhough 1 mill $ is a lot of money, in the current circuit it feels like nothing special. Feels bad to say this, but right now prizepool=prestige.

2018-02-01 20:52

Dota 24 mil CS 1 mil

2018-02-02 10:32

Yes, but dota has 24 mill with community contribution. CSGO 1 mill is purely the money from valve, not including stickers.

2018-02-02 11:54

Nice

2018-02-01 19:07

interesting point by moses about randomizers, don't know what to think about it yet. I actually agree that no team should simply have a map that they never ever prepare for (this would also mean that valve has to replace nuke and rework cobble for this to work though). What is really undebatable is that group stages need BO3, why not just have 2 matches played at the same time so it doesn't take too much time? Which format doesn't really matter that much in the end, Swiss system with reseeding would probably be the best though imo.

2018-02-02 02:12

Wow!

Plez make major in sydney!

19 replies

Hahahahahahaha

kanguruu time sucks for the whole world

2018-02-01 16:55

15 replies

And NA time?

14 replies

bad only for australia and asia

2018-02-01 16:57

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and EU

2018-02-01 17:02

I mean, most major games started at 10:00, which is fine because for us they would start at 16:00

2018-02-01 17:42

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Old schedules were aids, though.

2018-02-01 18:10

few games for us were in the middle of the night tho, which was shit if you had to work the next day.

2018-02-01 19:06

Doesn’t mean the schedule necessarily is bad, just because we couldn’t watch a few games, it could’ve been way worse

2018-02-01 20:06

NA majors are always shit tho. And most of the time visa issues are why they're shit.

2018-02-02 01:32

Final ended at 1.30 a.m. for me so it wasn't that great

2018-02-01 22:46

3 pm in NA(NY) is 4 or 5 pm in south america and 8 pm in most of europe

2018-02-01 17:00

east coast na time is somewhat fine for europe, but westcoast is like -9 hours, thats horrible

2018-02-01 17:23

west coats is bad for brasil too

2018-02-01 18:12

Ok for Europe if not california. Every day this major began 16.00 CET, and finals was 20.00.

And ended at 1 PM not great tbh.

2018-02-01 18:25

They should start major finals 10 am as all of the other days Or start the showmatch at 10 and the major 12

2018-02-01 22:15

fuck that shit

there iwill be IEM at austri

2018-02-01 18:46

ez4ence

first thanks edit: fuck

Nice try, you would get it next time!

im training every day

2018-02-01 17:31

Micenicerice

Kys

yes

woow

BABY BABY YEAH!

"TwoFaced" Toledo: Allow cheating

So the enemies can have a chance at beating them? My respect for Fallen has increased +1000

yes! everyone should use cheats not just sk

2018-02-01 17:56

+1000 I think cheating is needed to beat the best team in CS history aka SK.

2018-02-01 18:32

4 replies

Like flusha or olofmeister HAHAHAHAHAHA

2018-02-01 18:39

+2 nickname and comment

2018-02-01 19:13

+2000

CS:GO*

2018-02-02 10:43

16-2 BTW

2018-02-02 03:00

Only 4 (or even 2 ?) legends could be a thing. 6 months span between 2 Majors is a long time in esports

agreed

Some would say that even Gambit (and especially Immortals that disbanded) wasn't as competitive 6 months later and they were the Major's winner though, but teams getting to semi or to the final of the Major have won one or 2 BO3 (after the 3 or 6 BO1 swiss games they won depending on the fact they played or not the Challengers stage) and proved themselves more than 5-8th finishers that only won in BO1. As long as changes are announced before (like announcing now for January's 2019 Major, but not applying a rule to July's 2018 one, like do not remove legends status from teams that finished 5-8th last week as rules were the rules, but announce that teams will have to reach at least the semis in July if they want to be legends for January 2019 Major). Major including the Challengers phase (making it to 24 teams) was great for teams like TyLoo (even though they couldn't come to play, they got stickers) or Misfits, but it was silly changing the rules after everything was done on the Minors. Things should have been set clearly before the regional Minors.

2018-02-01 17:21

Personally, for a Major, 2 is more than enough. But i think 8 teams is perfect. Only thing i would change is qualification sys

2018-02-01 17:16

lol

2018-02-01 16:52

papa fallen

Nic3

nice

wallen

FalleN always pragmatic! We smart, we loyal, we friendly, we are from BRAZIL! Kreygasm

Smart Brazil Pick one

Broken

2018-02-01 17:29

I agree with Moses. Expected because he's very smart

2018-02-01 16:59

Just make it like the ti with massive prize money ffs

Can someone tell me in few words? I can't watch the video right now and I'm very interested!

2018-02-01 17:03

fallen: create points system like in dota, for example nip won oakland but they lost online and won't play at major moses: combine region minors into 1 minor ynk: some bulshit about regions like ppl complain that cis is a region anders: valve has to step up ynk: remove bo1, teams have bigger map pool it should be bo3 for example big played only inferno in krakow and make legends, also we saw teams that reached legends and did nothing for 6 months anders: swiss or gsl both should have bo3 moses: randomizer for maps, teams have bigger map pool, prepare for more maps, this major we had a lot of interno, mirage and no nuke etc. nbk: i like 24 teams at major, helps teams from diffrent regions to play at major, points system with invites and global minor styko: legends system needs change, top8 give too much advantage, because next major is 6 months later and teams can become really bad, bigger reward, change stickers so you can buy finalists sticker longer than group stage teams or sth like that fallen: roster locks should be changed, gives boltz example etc. ynk: roster locks, same as fallen zews: coaching rule, full time coaching is too OP, but 4x30 seconds pauses are too short ynk: timing of majors, there will be always someone who will complain karrigan: major should be at the end of season and then 2 months of break for roster changes etc and start new season fallen: valve do much for dota, they should involve in csgo as well, they should bring some ideas from dota, stickers are outdated, we arent 5-7 times less than before its 18 minutes long so you better watch it later I might missed something

2018-02-01 17:30

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Much appreciated. At work and cannot watch right now

2018-02-01 17:36

Thanks

2018-02-01 17:48

Me either, that's why I asked for this =P

2018-02-01 18:40

thankyou bro

2018-02-01 17:58

thanks goodguy

2018-02-01 18:22

Dude, you are a HERO! Thanks for taking your time writing this! Edit#1: I've been saying for months that Valve should take CSGO seriously as they do with Dota2. CSGO needs a HUGE tournament such as The International for Dota2, they could figure out how to .. Edit#2: Thanks again :D

2018-02-01 18:44

thank you very much bruh

2018-02-01 18:59

appreciate it bro

2018-02-01 19:12

Ty beother my english bad

2018-02-02 03:02

First

2018-02-01 17:04

I really like Fallens Idea, but in that case not a single team should receive invites to tournaments. It would be unfair to all upcoming teams if the already established always get free points since they always get a free entry.

But now it’s unfair that a upcoming team in CIS or Asia gets a free major spot but an upcoming in EU has no chance.

2018-02-01 22:55

True

make it so that typing !drop in twitch chat has a higher chance of getting drops

Fallen wants more money? c´mon wtf

2018-02-01 17:11

Bo5 finals, 1v1 aim or 2v2 retake side competitions

Fallens idea is really bad for upcomming teams like QBF, Vega etc.... Region spots are stupid in some way... asian specific. Moses idea to have all minors mixed is great. also top level teams get a free invite into a lot of events and are still top even if irrelevant now(VP). I would like a CS world tour... where local scenes are promoted like a festival and then there is big teams coming and playing them... if you win you move on in the tour... if you lose you are out and will get replaced local teams at the next station.

I think what he meant is a system where you have region spots and this seed spots based on tier 1 tournments of the season. For me the most fair system would be: Legends Stage: > Reduce the number of legends teams to 4 (semifinalists only); > 4 spots based on the points of the teams on the season; > 8 spots based on the Challengers Stage. Challengers Stage: > 8 spots to the group stages exits teams of the legends stage; > 8 spots for the winners of the minors mixed.

Rather a system that benefits know strong teams than one like now that gives no name teams free spots if the are from CIS or Asia but due to number of slots will always leave strong team out in EU.

2018-02-01 23:05

BO5 final, BO3 3rd place decider (at least). If you want to make the Major itself 2 weeks of effective play then : BO3 swiss phase, BO3 quarters, BO5 semis, BO7 final (at least BO5) and BO5 3rd place decider. But in such a case Major would last close to 4 weeks with the 24 teams challengers phase a few days before.

A third place decider would be really good, but I think a best of 7 would actually decrease the quality of play. As it is most teams look sloppy on the last map on a best of 5

2018-02-01 17:25

Yeah that's why BO5 is more realistic (and since Valve has kept that BO3 - even when going from a 250.000$ to a 1M major with 350.000$ more to win if you finish 1st instead of 2nd - + that useless showmatch before the final, then getting a BO5 final and 3rd place BO3 decider would be a great change IMO). BO7 is too much for players in one day.

2018-02-01 17:32

Making a double elim best of 3 bracket like the dota international would be perfect. Sure it would be a lot of time, but when you are playing in a studio when you normally would have just been doing qualifications, its not like viewership would be any lower. Raising the total number of teams and allowing for more legend teams would also ensure that the minors supplying teams will just be there to allow up and coming teams a way in, but not a disproportionate number. Finally, some sort of crowd funding ideas to raise the prize pool and make it more prestigious will go a long way.

put eu-teams to play two games per day....... so us-teams can win a major.

2018-02-01 17:24

I thing that i think should be fixed is putting Major before big breaks. Now we have a short time between Major and start EPL, some qualifying is happenning and several teams are making some changes in their roster (North, Misfits, nV).

This. Sean said Misfits couldn't prepare really well but yeah some organizations probably want, for the security of their investment, to know if their players are qualified to the Major to renew contracts.

2018-02-01 17:34

2018-02-01 17:27

8 legend teams is definitely too much, considering there is only 2 majors throughout the year.

2018-02-01 17:41

no more NA majors

2018-02-01 17:44

I expect that have substancial changes.

2018-02-01 17:46

Put two majors into one with a bigger prize pool around $2-3M, call it "The Major".

2018-02-01 17:52

Agree with Fallen, also they should put crowdfunding which will increase prize pool

2018-02-01 17:59

No swiss system, 4 groups with 4 teams, 2 legends and 2 challengers on each group. Two quarters each day, two semis in one day(maybe BO5), BO5 final

2018-02-01 18:01

fallen the smartes opinion

2018-02-01 18:02

Just make bo3 swiss ffs.

FalleN on dev team inc?

2018-02-01 18:06

Some great ideas in there. :)

2018-02-01 18:07

I totally agree with FalleN!!!!

2018-02-01 18:13

no future for eleague pls fuck that

2018-02-01 18:30

I would like to see on Major for example: 1) bigger map pool 2) final bo5 or bo7 3) to try add some map with hostages, make something different 4) bigger motivation }bigger price pool , 5) less legends ,only for best four teams 6)better group format ( 2 groups , each group 8 teams- with rondom genarator of maps and also each team will play each map only once. . Playoff: 1A vs. 4B and so on. .. 7) 3rd decider match,better for players and for people in arena, they Will see two matches. Now if they go visit the final ..match can end 16:5 16:5 And IT is over ,,, if valve make bo5 final and add 3rd decider ,should be good shedule . It is bad to buy a ticket only for one match and make full day with stupid casters match..only my opinion LETS TALK ABOUT IT AND DO STH TOGETHER FOR BETTER MAJORS

2018-02-01 18:42

too long didn't watch lulz

After watching this video, if Zews was my coach I'd kill myself.

2018-02-01 18:55

new game pls, fuck csgo

2018-02-01 20:16

I really like FalleNs ideas, and this "only top4 should be legends". Major isn't so "fancy" as it could be and lets be honest, CS could be next Dota/LoL if it comes to popularity or prize money.

2018-02-01 19:20

+south american seed. -EU tears

2018-02-01 19:39

FalleN:Pls not 2 matches on 1 day , to tired

2018-02-01 19:40

FaZe fan mocking SK, while FaZe also lost to C9 and FaZe can't even use the "tired" or "stand-in" excuse LMAO

2018-02-04 04:49

valve needs to do compendium sales like they do for Dota TI but do it for CS major as well it will generate so much revenue

2018-02-01 19:45

swiss/ bo1 is the main problem here

2018-02-01 20:51

Just make the FINALS BO5 PLEASE

2018-02-01 20:58

The things what Fallen and Zews said are so true so important, idk... I hope valve sees this video and does some improvements to the cs go community. I would be very happy if the things that Fallen and Zews said get changed.. :)

valve please watch this

2018-02-01 21:03

How to fix majors: 1. Less strict rules about rosters 2. Different format for group stage 3. Proper seeding 4. Sound booths during playoffs EZ best major

2018-02-01 21:36

stop doing them in NA ?

2018-02-01 22:13

I really agreed with zews

2018-02-01 22:20

karrigan english is awful no wonder kio couldn't understand this retard

2018-02-01 22:53

Uhm i was surprised that Fallen didn't mention the time frames at all. SK had to play insane B03's with overtimes then had to wait 5-6 hours until the next BO3 and do that, at that point even i was tired of just watching i can't imagine what it is for them. Sad that they didn't point this out.

2018-02-01 23:11