lurppis: "the list is a complete joke"

25-3-2009 17:25

With the ESWC committee releasing the preselected teams for ESWC Cheonan Masters earlier today, Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen fires at ESWC, stating that the list is a complete joke.

Crack Clan find themselves on the waiting list for ESWC Cheonan Masters. The team captain, Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen is clearly not happy with the teams ESWC selected. In a interview at readmore.eu he speaks out how he really cannot understand some of the teams selected. ESWC wrote prior to the signup, that accomplishments/motives would pay a factor when the committee picked the teams.

"Besides some good placings over the past three years we've been ranked 3rd-8th in ZoneRank/G7 rankings the whole time, yet we don't make a top12 list that includes two teams I've never heard of, Singapore's best team, and Australia's best team, neither of which has ever even made top8 in an international event."

With American team Evil Geniuses and x3o being invited, he also clears out that that the only American team that could deserve a spot, would be Gravitas Gaming.

"On top of that, they've invited the new EG.usa team that have yet to achieve anything in CS 1.6 since the end of 2006, and recently placed 5-6th at Kode5 USA.

Also invited are x3o, who placed 2nd at the same event.... Obviously the American team deserving to be invited are Gravitas, I think they've been f***d out of their spot almost even more ridiculously than us if possible."

If you wish to read the entire interview, then head over to readmore.eu where you will find more comments from the Crack Clan captain.

can't agree more :l

2009-03-25 17:29

ye lurppis is right.... even if i dont like the players in CrackClan so much :)

2009-03-25 17:32

Great, he feels the same as I do. I mean, I put in an application for this event for redemption - just mainly to see what feedback we'd get. Turns out though, a team with more or less the same achievements as us (nothing) is selected. Its made a mockery of the whole event tbh.

2009-03-25 17:33

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What do you know about their achievements in Asia? Just curious if you really have any information, and maybe they thought it would be fun for the people spectating the tournament live to have some Asian teams.:)

2009-03-25 21:16

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Personally I know noithing about the asian scene. All I am saying is perhaps redemption has won as much in the last year as EG.usa (nothing). :)

2009-03-25 21:17

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No, but we still know EG.usa is better so that's a bit lame as an argument, but I still agree with you that the organisation is wrong at this one.

2009-03-25 21:57

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clearly better, but, what proof do they have of it? :)

2009-03-25 22:04

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The names. xD

2009-03-25 22:12

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Shhhh :p

2009-03-25 22:43

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Only one famous in redemption is clarify right;)

2009-03-26 16:52

yeah who invited da aus team fk sakes

2009-03-25 17:33

lurppis you're right,I also don't know why any teams are invited and there is no invited Crack Clan.

2009-03-25 17:35

Nice case of jealousy right there.

2009-03-25 17:39

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he has a point though

2009-03-25 18:58

who's the boss with loads of cash? fu*ked is an unprofessional term.

2009-03-26 03:24

tbh i hope cc gets owned by the aussies ... but i agree with him about the other teams ..; ; speeder? titans (yeah they did good at some events a few years back but now?) and then those chinese teams wtf?

2009-03-25 17:41

agree with lurppis

2009-03-25 17:42

Lurppis + Hostile FREE LAMING [ON] [OFF]

2009-03-25 17:45

agree

2009-03-25 17:46

its nice to see fresh blood

2009-03-25 17:48

I guess some teams were invited as "local" teams, they needed some teams from the east so they picked the best. But I agree that Crack Clan and GG should replace the other US teams.

2009-03-25 17:49

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they have a local qualifier for the event already dont they? otherwise how are wemadeFOX going to enter?

2009-03-25 18:59

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Might be only-Korean.

2009-03-25 21:16

i agree in some points with u lurppis but crackclan also did not well at the last big lan event. But i totaly argee with u that the USA teams r to week for such an event. but lets see if america has a chance to beat a team like mtw fnatic sk exmym or mouz.

2009-03-25 17:51

Hahahahaha, LURPPIS IS A COMPLETE JOKE! ^^ Where are your results mate? top what in what event in the last 2 years? Or you think that just competing in the groups in some event is a big result and you should be invited for that? As someone said, I agree in some points, but being best in Australia might be better than being top15 in Europe if orga is doing # number of teams per continent. x3o is currently top ranked US team, in their league, so they can cover on that even if Gravitas is better.

2009-03-25 17:56

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Last 2 years? Let's see: #1 NGL ONE Finals #1 ASUS Spring #1 WSVG Louisville #5 ESWC 2007 #5 WCG 2007 #3 ESL EM II LA #5 DreamHack Winter 2007 #2 NGL ONE Finals #5 ESL EM III Finals #5 KODE5 2008 #2 DreamHack Summer 2008 #4 ESWC Masters 2008 #5 ESL EM III LA #3 ESL EM III Dubai #5 WCG 2008 #7 ESL EM III Europe #7 ESL EM III Global Top5-8 in ZoneRank/G7 rankings the whole time. That may not be much, but it surely is much better than what 7 (eg, x3o, speeder, immunity, ultimax, titans, wnv) of the 12 teams have achieved.

2009-03-25 19:53

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Sure, I agree that you are top5-10 (maybe not now) team in Europe, but as I said in my previous post, you can't deny the fact that top team from Australia, top team from Asia, top team from America etc deserve spots more than some top5-15 team in Europe? You follow football right? It's same as some European nation in football would say..."Oh fuck, how did Senegal get to world cup and we're better than them, omg, there are Iran, and we would own them" and stuff like that... I hope you at least get my point now!?

2009-03-25 19:58

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We are top10 in the World if you look at our tournament history and G7 rankings. Are any of the teams I mentioned "not worth of the invite" in the top10? No. That's why we should have been invited instead, in my opinion. And no, I don't watch/follow soccer.

2009-03-25 20:34

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It's football :) G7 rankings are not official CS rankings, and you know it. There is no official CS orga in the world (like FIFA in football for example, if you even heard about that!?) It's same as if I made some orga and made rankings on my criteria. Fragbite does it, gotfrag does it and so on...Your team surely wouldn't be in top10. Or you want me to list teams that are better AND have done better than your team over the past year or two!? Who cares if you were even top team in the world like 5 years ago? Even 2 years ago is too far back. Players change fast, teams change, results change, there are a lot of events... Point is: # slots per continent and that's it. YOu are not top3-4-5 on your continent and you can't (obviously you can) complain cuz some top Asian team is there before your.

2009-03-25 20:41

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I call american football "football", soccer is soccer. There are no slots for continent, according to them they were inviting teams for accomplishments/motive. edit: I rest my case, your opinions are beyond repair.

2009-03-25 20:50

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Only Americans call their football 'football' and soccer 'soccer'. I guess you are not an American!? I didn't mean slots per continent literary, but you maybe think that placing 7th on some European event (like you always place) is better than winning some Asian tournament (like some of the invited teams did), but they just don't share your opinion. It's just that.

2009-03-25 20:53

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None of those teams have ever won or even placed in any "Asian" tournament, the Chinese and Koreans are far superior in CS to Taiwan/Singapore/Australia/Japan. We placed 7th by a couple of rounds, but we still beat mouz and tied SK, and beat both x3o and EG (instead of whom Gravitas should be going in the first place). Ohh, and I think I'll decide what I'll cal soccer/football. Also assuming there may be people from other countries than Finland reading I think it's only obvious to use the correct names.

2009-03-25 20:59

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Who cares even if you beat all and but placed 7th in the end? (can't happen but I guess you see the point) It's the final rankings that count, not by what rounds you lost in some match that if you'd won would make you 3rd or 4th LOL Don't even mention football, would be a total disaster considering your knowledge. Better to stick with just calling it football. :)

2009-03-25 21:07

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i really dont see why you are keeping up this argument? lurpis won when he posted his achiewments over the last 2 years.

2009-03-26 17:04

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Maybe you should check that list again, cuz there is only 1 (I think 1) tournament where he claims they placed 1st. All rest they are named losers 5-8th place is simply not good enough to be considered top top team.

2009-03-26 18:03

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you dont think thoose achiewments are good enough to be a top team? the counter strike 1.6 scene today is as close as it ever has been. 5 place is a very good posistion. speccialy when thoose tournaments include names like: mTw, SK, fnatic, mousesports ETC!

2009-03-26 20:09

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I agree it's close, very close, but there is a big margin between top4 teams (those you named) and other teams.

2009-03-27 00:33

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bIh flame star showed up again!

2009-03-27 02:21

He can still speak American English.. Just because I speak great German doesn't mean I'm German.

2009-03-25 21:21

The most ridicolous thing about that soccer/football thing is that Americans even doesn't kick the ball with the foot so much.. Damn yankees..

2009-03-26 20:51

beyond repair ftl

2009-03-26 23:46

It's soccer in American English, which is perfectly OK to write.

2009-03-25 21:19

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I should have just said that I don't understand what soccer is. Sorry...never been to USA so I don't speak American English. English should be English, not American :) LOL

2009-03-25 21:29

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Soccer is what you call football. That sounded like you said anything wrong, but you didn't, I say football aswell. But now there is, and face the facts.

2009-03-25 21:53

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LOL, you killed yourself on this one! He named it soccer, I said it's named that way in USA, not here, and you wanted to prove what? Silly kid

2009-03-25 22:35

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It's named soccer everywhere.. Are you dumb? He speaks whatever language he wants, as longs as it's english. As American English is English, he can speak american english and intelligent people will understand

2009-03-26 00:36

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It's not soccer everywhere, it's only in USA, so don't try looking smart cuz you don't seem like you are. Off course he can name it whatever he wants, but it's not named soccer in Europe, it's named football. No point in discussing it, especially with you.

2009-03-26 18:01

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It is soccer everywhere, as it is football everywhere, as it is futebol everywhere, as it is futbol everywhere, so don't try to look smart when you have proven you are not several times already ;)

2009-03-26 20:49

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You should know what you are talking about before you start talking about it. This way, you only make me laugh. Sorry, won't reply to you again, your IQ doesn't allow me to.

2009-03-27 00:32

You are wrong, for example in Balkan when we say "football" we don't mean the American football but we mean soccer and Nebojsa is from Balkan like me.

2009-03-26 21:43

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Dude, please understand it doesn't depend on where you are or where you are from. It depends solely on the language you are speaking in. If you are speaking American English, than if you say football you are refering to American Futebol in British English. It doesn't matter if you are in Peru, Turkey, Portugal, Australia or on HLTV.org. What matter is the language you are speaking. As all forms of English are allowed here at the forum, it's correct to say soccer, as it's correct to say football.

2009-03-27 00:05

That both is right, which you in one way say it wasn't.

2009-03-26 16:55

If team lose the sponsor, they play veeery baaad..

2009-03-25 20:40

They have qualifiers there, this was pure invites.

2009-03-25 21:18

top team from Asia? I see 5 Asian teams, and still a local qualifier will be held.

2009-03-25 21:19

#agree

2009-03-25 20:42

Although CC doesnt have good performences so far. However, CC have potential to damage any top team in the world. Everyone believes it but so bad, maybe not you.

2009-03-25 19:58

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LOL There are like 100 teams that can damage most of the worlds top teams. Even k23 is way in front of CC and they can't even play pracc against good teams. If they would have conditions like Fins do, they wouldn't even want to play CC because they would be too low for them.

2009-03-25 20:03

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Probably not. :P

2009-03-25 21:21

GG won x3o in last CEVO match.

2009-03-25 21:17

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Hm...so? :) Rankings say that x3o are top placed team, and that can't be changed. Liverpool won man utd 2 times but man utd are still first :)

2009-03-25 21:26

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The real thing is that Asia is not good enough in cs like Europe can be. Only 1 team in China and other in Korea can make something but rest of teams, are there to watch the real cs from europe. Sorry, people want to see progamers not bots that are there cause they were born in a country or other.

2009-03-25 21:46

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That's your opinion, maybe even mine, but it's not what orga thinks, but they just don't seem to understand it.

2009-03-25 21:49

Yes and NOW you start speaking about rankings, but when we said CC was ranked higher than k23, you couldn't use rankings as an argument. Once again you argue against yourself. :)

2009-03-25 21:56

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Hahahahahahaha, how more retarded can you get? I said OFFICIAL rankings. There are NO OFFICIAL rankings for worlds CS, but YES, there is an official ranking for USA CS teams, as it's their official CS league. Want it in pictures or it's enough embarrassment for you?

2009-03-25 22:38

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there may not be 1 single 'official' cs rankings, but if you look at ANY reputable ranking system, crack clan _WILL_ be in the top 10 in the world and have been so for the past 2+ years.

2009-03-26 02:01

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There may not be? Why? Official CS orga can be easily created, ranking system like in tennis for example etc. It's very easy to create something like that. Until there is something like that, all is matter of opinion. Mine is that CC is overrated, mostly by themselves, with this statement being one solid proof of it. They think that God himself sent them to make the difference in the world and so on... .... ...

2009-03-26 18:10

If the LEAGUE is a ranking, tournaments must be too, or there is no way to rank k23 and CC.

2009-03-26 16:53

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There isn't a way, until there is official CS orga, with official rankings etc.

2009-03-26 17:59

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Don't speak about rankings then?

2009-03-26 19:04

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WTF is wrong with you? Oh dear, you really just cant understand ... I give up. GG

2009-03-26 19:22

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Nothing at all.

2009-03-26 21:02

You, sir, rank highly at my annual "Stupidest People on Internet" -list. Congratulations. But you know to be fair, I'd rank lurppis pretty high too.

2009-03-26 19:21

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Thank you. Coming from someone who keeps track of people like me I consider it a compliment.

2009-03-26 19:23

lurppis +100000 Crack clan deserves to be invited, however a bigger issue is inviting EG, as he said, for NO success lately. For me, it was obvious that Gravitas would be invited (straight to the preselect), yet it seems that they were overlooked.

2009-03-25 18:00

He's always crying for something... man, it's nice to see new teams on an international event. And they're giving chances to the teams who have a lot to prove, I have in mind the australian team for instance. And btw they can't invite everyone... So there will always some disappointment.

2009-03-25 18:05

lol, lurppis is great -) anyway, australian team Immunity had a match vs GP and the score was 2:1 in favor of finns. so it is not so unknown >_<

2009-03-25 18:05

With some things I agree with him.

2009-03-25 18:18

lurrpis is known for being a big headed cry baby though, why dusnt he put his dummy back in n stfu, all he ever does is complain

2009-03-25 18:22

CrackClan doesn't deserve spot in there.

2009-03-25 18:26

CrackClan doesn't deserve any invite in any international event. Firstly they're the biggest lamers in the world, and what lurrpis said confirm that they think they're superior to every team in the world. Secondly, they didn't achieve anythings either in the last events, and the worse part is that they were playing ffa in most of them. So when you don't care at all when you're playing an event, stop crying when you're not invited in the next one... CRACKCLAN IS THE JOKE HERE !

2009-03-25 18:33

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can't agree more

2009-03-25 18:57

by your logic mouz shouldnt have a spot either because they did even worse than crack at extreme masters?

2009-03-25 19:02

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well mouz have atleast won something...CrackClan have been on almost all big events lately and never won.

2009-03-25 19:17

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crack clan are rubbish, lurrpis was postin shit the other day after they beat lemondogs, saying how good they were, when spawN fisker and striek rhavn't even been playing for ages and didnt have any time to get an tactics together, crack clan think they are allmighty gods jst because they go to most big events, they are over rated finish lamers who never win anything, give some unknowns a chance, they cnt do any worse than CC

2009-03-25 19:45

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I hope you're a troll cause that's just ridiculous, our haters kept saying we probably think we're good after beating lemondogs when we NEVER SAID A WORD about that, and I never said a word about lemondogs not being good or whatever, so stop making s**t up.

2009-03-25 19:55

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lurppis has just beaten nofx. :)

2009-03-25 23:03

You're British, and your English is a bit African..

2009-03-25 21:22

Only hate is speaking from you They did goob job at last IEM,they are playing against top clans and as far as I know they did lot of successful issue.And,THEY ARE STILL BETTER THEN YOU ! And you sure know they are not able to attend ESWC becouse they simply can't attend qualifiers in other countries.

2009-03-25 19:07

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cmon have u seen them playin in EM? It looked like they didn't care at all about the event, that's why i say they souldnt be invited. They are the biggest lamers in 1.6 scene atm, that's true and it's not coming from me (ask mSx for instance t.t). THEY RE BETTER THAN ME? I'm not getting paid or playing, and i don't want to make my living playin counter-strike. The fact that they are better than me doesn't allow me to give my pov? Sorry but clans like emL, ALT or ATS deserve this invite way more than crackclan.

2009-03-25 19:20

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Of course your beloved Frenchmen say they hate us cause natu called their playing style the most boring thing ever. Other than that... Never did/said anything to emuLate We played 110% seriously all the time at EM, and we don't get paid to play either.

2009-03-25 19:57

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It IS boring, when they camp for 1.45 of the round (with 2 minutes roundtime) and rush somewhere when their opponents has fallen asleep.

2009-03-25 21:23

cmon,I've seen them.Ruuit has left them,but ( if you are not only partial man ) you had too see they was trying and they did good job. ALT?ATS? .. be serious,not like Joker from Dark Knight And if you are only Cs watcher,then you don't know how hard they have to practise to be in their level. I don't think they are best or something like that,but they are still good.Dunno why they aren't in the list - if I exaggerate this,why is for example TitaNs,x3o,EG in the list? .. Don't want to make quarrel.Just opinion against opinion

2009-03-25 20:09

How do you see if they're being serious or not when you're watching HLTV at home? :P I mean they were serious at INFERNO ONLINE, where they won every match without losing more than 5 rounds per map I think.

2009-03-25 21:25

exactly

2009-03-25 19:20

AMEN! ^_^ Couldn't agree more. Finish guys think they know everything, they are some extra team etc, but they just can't attach any result to their talk. Also, like you said, they can only be awarded most unsportsmanlike team in the world, especially lurppis.

2009-03-25 19:49

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Ofc,you are best.No doubt.

2009-03-25 20:16

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No sorry, I'm from Czech Republic! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA go to sleep kid, it's too late for you

2009-03-25 20:15

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Ofc I know who you are ( -.- ) , I know whe are you from ( -.- ) and I know your personality ... oh man,what about to start using that big thing on your neck ?

2009-03-25 20:19

Nebojsa, you just think that you know everything.

2009-03-25 23:06

I never said we would be better than any of the 5 good teams that were invited. We had 2 days of practice before EM, what do you expect? Even with 2 days of practice we beat your beloved EG and x3o, mouz and tied SK. Also, we played seriously the whole time, maybe if you ever attended a tournament yourself instead of watching HLTV at home you'd know the difference.

2009-03-25 19:54

he is so right there? i dont see the point in that! hah makes me laugh so hard! GG gaming didnt even get the invite and EG and blah x3o............ even though GG is sooo much better in my opnion! and crack clan dosent get it? makes no sence?

2009-03-25 19:00

but gl crack clan! and GG gaming!

2009-03-25 19:01

i don't agree with him. i think that EG.usa was invited because they won ESWC 2005... he haven't achieved as many things as them so why he gives a f..k about them...

2009-03-25 19:04

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Yes and now it is 2009! I think 4 years is quiet alot of time :)

2009-03-25 19:12

So what? Now they placed 5-6th in last USA qualifier few weeks back while Gravitas won, 4 years ago fisker/SpawN/vilden won 2 CPL's but you don't see lemondogs invited... That's just a ridiculous thing for you to say, no matter how you look at it.

2009-03-25 19:58

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but lemondogs is a mix clan, they don't have any sponsors i guess and they are together for less time than EG team (except n0thing, who is new) and ok, i know that e.g.fisker,spawn and vilden played together years ago, but they had a big break, EG was playing css so it's even similar situation.

2009-03-25 20:55

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Umm... No. The hype can only get you so far, they were ranked top10 in the world by GotFrag the minute the news post went up about their team, but they have yet to break top4 in their OWN COUNTRY. Yet still, somehow they're getting invited over Gravitas who have won multiple events in a row in USA right now. What they did in 2005-2006 shouldn't help in 2009.

2009-03-25 21:01

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ok, i meant that col have got achievements in eswc tournament not in WCG like ex-sk, maybe that's why they are invited for eswc

2009-03-25 21:26

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Nah, actually I got an email answer to my question from ESWC Korea and they said EG was invited because they were ranked best in GotFrags World Rankings out of American teams, on a ranking that was put up after the news post about EG, before EG ever played their first match. Now thats eSports ridiculousness at its best, LOL.

2009-03-25 22:14

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if thats actually true lurppis then thats such a joke LOL thats really bad by eswc

2009-03-26 02:06

hahah i know, gotfrag ranks suck imo..

2009-03-26 15:54

I guess counter-strike is finally becoming over run by the businesses backing it. Obviously for teams that no one has even heard of to have gotten in means that SOMEBODY got paid a pretty penny for them to get in. And I TOTALLY agree with the US part. WHY EG.us, WHY? They haven't even been able to compete in their OWN LOCAL scene, yet they get invited to a huge international event - taking the place of a team that really deserves it, or at least another shot at an international event? I mean, c'mon. Gravitas didn't do amazing at EMIII, but they looked REALLY really good. Especially compared to even x3o, which is supposedly america's best team. Absolutely no reason for them to be there. On a side note- Frod blows.

2009-03-25 19:11

where is that list of the teams invited? ontopic: yes, he is right, crack clan is one one the best teams in the world, they must be invited... and of course, gravitas gaming must have the spot, why eg or x3o? lol

2009-03-25 19:19

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'cuz they paid for that slot, big money xD no other explanation.

2009-03-25 19:43

Check the news.

2009-03-25 21:26

Money. Thats all.

2009-03-25 19:26

WTF lamer ???? HE said truth and that how it should be.

2009-03-25 19:28

why everybody says that lurppis is lamer because of this ? he's telling some _real_ facts from this list. so ...

2009-03-25 19:39

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because hes a big cry baby who thinks CC are better than every1 jst because they get invited to most events, now they havnt been invited to this one because they never fkin win anythign so may aswel let some new teams have a chance, and surprise he spits his dummy out and crys once again

2009-03-25 19:47

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Not once has lurppis said that they are better than everyone. And they definately deserve a spot, I think you know that yourself, you just don't like them.

2009-03-26 10:05

Grow up? Immature arguments backed upon nothing but your own deluded opinions are pointless. Why waste your time posting them?

2009-04-04 14:57

lol its just a marketing policy .They want to spread their name all over the world so the chose the teams of much lesser names in esports like Singapore n Australia . Well myself in dilemma not seeing the Crack Clan's name in the top 12 list . They deserved it imo , they have been in scene for so long even though not performing so well lately.

2009-03-25 19:39

haha proak, one of best teams in the world ? YEAH RIGHTTTTTTTTTT ^^^^^^^

2009-03-25 19:41

Nebojsa, you're wrong, and now you are too deep with your opinion to back down from it. They deserve to participate in the event due to the history and current gameplay. It is unfair to rule them out due to previous bad performance, and laughing at their desire to be in the playoffs is purely childish. It seems that many good clans have been overlooked, alternate being the other one - performed brilliantly on EM, and look...they didnt even get to an invite. Lurppis may have spoken a bit too harsh, since cold words never solve anything, however anger is understandable in this situation - imagine yourself being put in this situation...wouldnt you feel cheated out, just like lurppis?

2009-03-25 20:01

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1. History counts for nothing unless it's some close history (their history is left way back, and as you've seen, his 'successes' are 7th 5-8th etc and top3 on some smaller tours) 2. I can count at least 5 teams that deserve the invitation more than them, Alternate being one of them. 3. I wouldn't feel cheated out, I would take it like all sportsmen do, continued to train hard and try to get some results next time. I don't see any other teams complaining like he did, do you?

2009-03-25 20:14

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You would feel cheated out, just like sportsmen feel unfair and unjust decisions. I too think other teams should have been given a chance, however CC is still among them, since their performance in EM showed they are a clan that can surprise in the most unexpected moment.

2009-03-25 20:18

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I guess you know how I would feel? ^^ Mate, since there is no official CS rankings, in the world, noone can complain about the list of invited teams. I know how that stuff works, and I agree with all of it except for the US team, but it's also a matter of judgment. 3-4-5 from Europe, top team or top2 from Asia, top from Australia, top from US and so on...No way that 5-15th team from Europe deserved spot more than some top Australian team, even tho they are better. You see it all the time, Olympics, WorldCups etc

2009-03-25 20:24

43 replies

Alternate and mibr didn't even apply, what are the other teams that should be there? I'm not sure if you realized but you had to APPLY for this tournament, which all of the "best" teams did not. Anyways, would be nice to see the list of 5 teams that deserve the invitation more than we do based on past results :). You don't think Gravitas are complaining? I just honestly don't care about what some nicknames on esports websites think about me so I can voice my opinion when something this ridiculous happens. Gravitas feel just as cheated out as we do. Now you see, in real sports, people actually make a nice living out of it. In CS at least we don't make a living off CS, we don't get salary and for example prize money wise we're still waiting for EM2 prize money, event that ended almost 13 months ago. We play simply for the competition/chance of money, for us missing out on big tournaments actually makes a huge difference.

2009-03-25 20:40

42 replies

They don't make a nice living in all sports, maybe in home high-profile sports like football, basketball etc. Doubt anyone makes money running 10.000m in Africa. They, like you, just compete cuz they like it. And I'll say it again, in pictures...That 10th placed runner on 10.000m in Africa is A LOT better than some 2nd placed from Australia, obviously, but still Australians will get invited as more continents are wanted to take part. Same is here, or you just don't want to accept that fact? You are invited in all European competitions, but when there are some world competitions, it's not the quality that counts, it's just the matter of including the world. And yeah, if you didn't care on what someone thinks about you, you wouldn't even reply to these posts on hltv.org ->

2009-03-25 20:50

34 replies

I answer cause I like arguing but you're just not making any sense, this is the ESWC Masters, the fact that it's in Asia shouldn't make any difference when for most teams its the only way to qualify for the grand finals (that may or may not) happen. Anyways I'm looking forward to a list of 5 teams that deserve to attend this event more than we do, you said you had it so lets hear it? :)

2009-03-25 20:55

33 replies

Yea, I know you like arguing, it's just the way you are! :) Even if they didn't apply, they deserve the spot more than you (I don't know who applied and who didn't) Alternate WeMadeFOX - eStro Giants/Blank (even tho they folded they are way better teams than you and have better results in the past year) ATS.dk k23 There are a lot of teams that are better than you. Even some mix team from Sweden would beat you easily.

2009-03-25 21:03

32 replies

Blank/Giants: way worse results in 2008-2009 than us k23: results(?) WeMadeFox: they're going through the korean qualifier ALTERNATE: didn't apply ATS.dk: haven't done anything But if that's your honest opinion I can stop talking right here cause you've obviously got some problems in your head, Cheers.

2009-03-25 21:08

19 replies

Hahahaha...yea. That's because you think that placing 1st in some Finnish lan is better than placing 2nd in Swedish tournaments (Blank/Giants) k23 have WAY better results than you whenever they play in a major even, when their budget allows them to. I think they even beat you most of the times you played, but I'd have to check on that. wemadefox, alternate - did or didn't, will play or won't, I said they are teams that are better than you and deserve those spots more than you do. You again confirmed those talks how you think you are inferior to everyone, by your upper post, but you just are too proud to admit it. Bottom point: Get results and than whine, 7th is just not good enough.

2009-03-25 21:13

13 replies

they gets 7th in one tourney and you think thats all they get? where were you when they curb stomped fnatic in NGLone finals.. i guess thats just some finnish LAN... and let me quote incase you had trouble reading #1 NGL ONE Finals #1 ASUS Spring #1 WSVG Louisville #5 ESWC 2007 #5 WCG 2007 #3 ESL EM II LA #5 DreamHack Winter 2007 #2 NGL ONE Finals #5 ESL EM III Finals #5 KODE5 2008 #2 DreamHack Summer 2008 #4 ESWC Masters 2008 #5 ESL EM III LA #3 ESL EM III Dubai #5 WCG 2008 #7 ESL EM III Europe #7 ESL EM III Global

2009-03-25 21:21

12 replies

Hm...12 months, how many victories, how many finals on BIG events? And yes, I don't think that ASUS cup is a big event LOL

2009-03-25 21:23

11 replies

no but ultimo or w/e there called placing outta groups at WCG is right?

2009-03-25 21:27

1 reply

If that's the best some team from that continent accomplished, than yes.

2009-03-25 21:32

they never are going to beat Big teams without ruuit remember that

2009-03-25 21:29

8 replies

Even Soltec is better than them now.

2009-03-25 21:35

5 replies

on what basis can you claim that?

2009-03-26 09:26

4 replies

It's not a claim, it's an opinion. Will be proven when they meet.

2009-03-26 18:03

3 replies

thats true. just sounded like you was so sure in your statement lol..

2009-03-26 22:13

2 replies

I am sure, and it's my opinion.

2009-03-27 00:31

1 reply

so you are "sure" soltec will beat cc?? time will tell. but most likely you will be wrong..

2009-03-27 10:57

They weren't going to beat big teams WITH ruuit either. :P

2009-03-25 21:36

We beat mouz and tied SK with 2 days of practice and you can say with absolute certainty that we have 0 chance of ever doing well with this lineup? :D Solid.

2009-03-25 22:12

Blank and Giants did actually do something you couldnt...they qualified for EM europe...and Blank came 2 on wcg qualifier and Giants won over SK in the final on DH skellefteå...anyway they are dead now.

2009-03-25 21:39

4 replies

We also have beaten both SK and fnatic many times, and we've actually beaten other teams too, unlike Blank/Giants. They qualified thanks to a better map difference, nothing to do with us really, we just beat A-gaming/excello only 2-1.

2009-03-25 22:24

3 replies

yes but didnt you know that from the start?..that maps and rounds may count later?...

2009-03-25 23:11

2 replies

Surely we did, but you're saying Giants was better than us cause they lost vs us but got a better map difference vs other teams? That's just dumb.

2009-03-25 23:52

1 reply

No i havent said that they where better then you. But i dont think you where better then them either.

2009-03-26 02:33

Yeah, the best mix team right now, Lemondogs, got pounded at Inferno Online.

2009-03-25 21:35

11 replies

LOL The best mix team...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH They played against guys who stopped playing CS 5 years ago, some 3, some 2, and they are happy after beating them? LOOOOOOOOOOOL That says enough about your CS knowledge. Go to sleep, plase, kids time is way over.

2009-03-25 21:38

10 replies

Tell me a better mix team and we can talk.

2009-03-25 21:39

7 replies

We can't talk, really. Any mix including players from Giants/Blank is better than that lemondogs or whatever.

2009-03-25 21:41

6 replies

We'll see at Dreamhack and other upcoming events where there will be a lot of mixes.

2009-03-25 21:42

5 replies

There's nothing to be seen. One who knows, knows.

2009-03-25 21:45

4 replies

And you don't. The matches is to be seen.

2009-03-25 21:46

3 replies

I'm the one! ^^ Go to sleep, really do, it's too late for you my son.

2009-03-25 21:48

2 replies

It isn't.

2009-03-25 21:48

Oh dear.

2009-04-04 15:01

you actually think they stopped playing cs coz they retired from the pro scene? how long since spawn played for sk? how long since striker was in blank? idiots should not have the right to speak.:S

2009-03-26 09:22

1 reply

Exactly. So why are you speaking than? I will explain to you, since you are a bit tarded...CS is a team game. There is a difference between playing some mixes, some deathmatch and playing serious team matches. 1. Spawn stopped playing on team basis long time ago, all other was just stepping in, with not training, pracc etc. 2. striker is also always stand-in, never seriously been in some team, for some while. And what about other 3 players? Or you think that even if walle and f0rest were there instead of spawn and striker that that team is serious and strong? How can 2 players carry 5 man game if other 2-3 didn't play in like 5 years or so (vilden for example)

2009-03-26 18:08

You don't get any salary? Now that's a big fat lie.

2009-03-25 21:34

6 replies

I think prize moneys is all they get.

2009-03-25 21:43

1 reply

Their sponsors get the prize money most of the times, atleast that's the normal organisation of the clans.

2009-03-25 21:44

We haven't received any salary since leaving roccat, which was over 6 months ago, or for me personally 11 months ago :).

2009-03-25 22:28

3 replies

And you can't find a sponsor giving you salary? That's a bit insane when we have players living on cs. You do deserve one who can give you a salary, maybe not to live on, but atleast a decent fee.

2009-03-26 17:00

2 replies

GamePlay hasn't paid a single salary, and we stayed without an organization for like 2 months and couldn't find anything :)

2009-03-26 17:31

1 reply

I really feel sorry for you you're worth it:P

2009-03-26 19:05

think best opinion here :)

2009-03-25 20:14

when those teams get squashed 16-1,16-2. your all gonna be on lurppis's nuts.

2009-03-25 20:11

somebody needs a hug... are parents giving you the love u need? :D

2009-03-25 20:14

4 replies

LOL

2009-03-25 20:21

3 replies

sounds like your one who dont get any love...

2009-03-26 09:24

2 replies

well u can't act like that on every web page...

2009-03-26 10:52

Why are you replying to my posts? Maybe you should learn what reply button means first before you click it. You are spamming me.

2009-03-26 18:05

I agree and disagree with lurppis, mostly about why the hell EG and X3O are on that list.. but I am sure ESWC has a reasoning behind this list tbh.. which is why I disagree with some parts.

2009-03-25 20:16

Yep there should be alternate, wmf, eml and cc. Those teams lose 16-0.

2009-03-25 20:16

Nebojsa 2009-03-25 19:45:00 You don't even deserve to get an answer from me. Hello dictator.

2009-03-25 20:23

I think they have the right to invite a mix of international and local (asian) teams. The event will help promote cs in asia. I do however think EG shouldnt be there and crack clan could

2009-03-25 20:29

3 replies

Don't forget about ATTaX hehe, they did a great job in Hannover, also Gravitas won the battle with other american teams on KODE5 in Dallas, so ...this is lame, the organiser of this ESWC kinda' sucks big time. lurppis shouldn't be that mad or nervous 'cuz i'm sure lurppis &co. will get invited...and he should not listen to all the jerks around here ^^ they are just jealous.

2009-03-25 20:44

2 replies

Jesus people just don't understand, they didn't apply!

2009-03-25 21:37

attax didnt apply. and i highly doubt crack clan will get to go. i dont think any of these teams will turn down the chance to go

2009-03-25 22:18

i'm sry but i'm so so agree with lurppis... WTF IS THIS LIST? \*mTw fnatic SK ex-MYM x3o Evil Geniuses mousesports wNv Speeder immunity TitaNs Ultimate*/ OK for mtw-fnatic-SK-MYM-Mouz-wNv... But x3o-EG don't deserve And Speeder-immunity-Titans-Ultimate -> WTF are these teams? is that a joke? The best choice for sponsors/organisation/viewers/everybody is that a tournament must have max of competitive teams. Why they don't pick crackClan-emuLate-Alternate-Gravitas in place of unknow and "noob"-teams? this tournament going to be sooooo boring. Because only 2-3 teams can pretend to the victory... Others are there for nothing....

2009-03-25 20:36

1 reply

All 5 European teams can go for victory, so that's wrong, and Alternate didn't apply.

2009-03-25 21:38

omfg ESWC now is a fckin shit! <3 KODE5.

2009-03-25 20:45

the biggest lamer i've ever seen. go ferg !!!

2009-03-25 20:46

It's ridicolus that CC didn't get a spot. Hope EG get stuck in a mac donalds line and cant get to the event, then CC can join!

2009-03-25 20:54

I want to destroy my computer when I see "OK for mtw-fnatic-SK-MYM-Mouz-wNv... But x3o-EG don't deserve And Speeder-immunity-Titans-Ultimate -> WTF are these teams? is that a joke?" CS isn't only Europa, american and asian teams must have a chance to win.

2009-03-25 21:03

2 replies

if they want to win they have to move to europe ._.

2009-03-25 21:05

Well as long as there are European teams there, they DON'T have the chance to win..

2009-03-25 21:38

I hope that lurppis will stop to cry now.

2009-03-25 21:09

crack clan can beat anyone (perhaps not on a full tournament but on a match they are able to surprise a lot) in their best shape so yes they deserve to be at those masters .

2009-03-25 21:14

"CS isn't only Europa, american and asian teams must have a chance to win." My point of view is not base on geographic variables but on the real level of teams. x3o-EG-Speeder-immunity-Titans-Ultimate are NOWHERE on cs internationnal level... So have a chance to win ok right, but give slot to goods teams as (crackClan-emuLate-Alternate-Gravitas) And orginize qualification for others... omg... What is the good think when some teams like Speeder and Co going to loose every matchs 16-1/16-2/16/3?

2009-03-25 21:19

The best way to promote cs is to make the matches entertaining, and the best way to do that is to invite teams that are roughly equal skill-wise, not just some teams that gonna get crushed. And to Nebojsa: funny how you keep saying lurppis thinks he knows everything and yet you seem to think that you know everything

2009-03-25 21:28

1 reply

+1 about Nebojsa.

2009-03-25 21:39

Can't agree even more with lurppis. Maybe he said it a bit too harsh. But he is completely right. And they have full rights to feel cheated.

2009-03-25 21:30

lurppis: "the list is a complete joke" +1 -.- EG invited... wtf^^

2009-03-25 22:44

lurppis, I have followed you guys since youve been around and are by far my favorite team and are probably the most stable team in the world based on roster changes there has been for years. I dont see the point in arguing on a forum to people that are being redundant and don't understand how far off eswc is with their invites. Overall I think you guys will get in as one of these teams won't be able to attend even though you should already have your spot.

2009-03-25 22:48

2 replies

Yeah I know its pointless, I just got really mad about this and felt like arguing a little :P

2009-03-25 22:53

1 reply

ya I dont think these guys understand at all.. it would be like having the world hockey championships and inviteing japan instead of the czech republic....

2009-03-25 23:05

he is correct, 100% !!

2009-03-25 23:12

Epic thread of the year. Lurppis please take the rage to my thread "Gravitas: We are disappointed" and get me some more hits. :(

2009-03-25 23:30

Please reply in a respectful manner or do not post at all. Thank you.

2009-03-26 00:22

3 replies

you had one heck of a job editing it all, didnt you? :) but you can agree, that this was one heck of a flamming thread

2009-03-26 00:30

Please tell me i didnt miss the best flame? [FLAME: ON] redemption.cLarity*INFLAMES*

2009-03-26 02:26

1 reply

Hltv.org cares about your (mental) health :P

2009-03-26 17:39

Lurppis, well, If you don't remember how k23 have beaten CC (Gameplay) *ass*, It's your mental problems. But I would like to fresh your memory . By the way, it was 4 months ago, Rekrut Championship which took place in Moscow and k23 have faced Gameplay. Do you remember who won this match? Yes, you are right, k23 did. Do you remember what was the score? k23 16 - 7 Gameplay. Go here sk-gaming.com/match/11919 and check it out. Also, lurppis, you were saying "k23 won a WCG in source, but have they ever even participated in another international tournament?" Let me answer to you regarding this question. k23 did participate in WCG 2008 in Germany. Let's take a look at top 8 teams of WCG 2008 rankings : 1. MTW. 2 Sk gaming. 3 Estro 4 CBTEAM. 5-8. Gravitas Gaming, k23, Gameplay, MYM. So, It wouldn't be right to say that CC will overtake k23. Please, stop hatting. Moreover, as I remember your team will be in KODE5 Spain. k23 will be there as well. If your team will get a chance to play versus k23, I'm pretty sure CC will be overtaking by them. So, Good luck

2009-03-26 00:30

I remember team-speeder playing against fnatic in ESWC 2008 (16-0). They couldnt even get bomb planted =/. I wonder if they'll find bomb site this time..

2009-03-26 00:56

2 replies

AHAhahhaahahha

2009-03-26 11:01

lmao :>

2009-04-03 07:38

I wonder who's next to get outraged. Btw, I noticed that lurppis has been posting his opinion in every esport forum/website :D starting from hltv, you can find multiple posts on sk-gaming or on readmore.eu, just to name a few :D

2009-03-26 01:32

i think lurppis is right, gravitas should deserve the slot :-"

2009-03-26 01:40

Crack Clan - 1 1 2 Immunity 1 - - 1 de_inferno: GamePlay [12:16] Immunity de_dust2: GamePlay [16:05] Immunity de_nuke: GamePlay [16:10] Immunity GamePlay: contE, naSu, ruuit, tihOp, plastE Immunity: benoR, Ergenekon, ferg, gazR, steel gotfrag.com/cs/story/43380/

2009-03-26 03:06

Since lurppis seems to be following this I hope I may be able to get answer. I'll be honest and say that I did and do not follow you guys very closely but from what I remember I read a lot about your teams being shattered. I know you were roccat, you were GamePlay and you are now Crack Clan. I guess between that you were just a sponsorless team. Anyhow, I believe that this may be the reason for the lack of an invite, the lack of consistency in your teams. Let me make an example. Let's say you'd be invited and you'd win the tournament. The news would say "Crack Clan wins ESWC" and Crack Clan would be in ESWC history for ever. Now let's say 2 months later your team disbands again and you guys go organisation-less. Crack Clan dissapears from the screens. People in the future will look at the ESCW history and say "Who the hell is Crack Clan!?" and people will only be able to say, well they're former GamePlay, who were former roccat and so on and so forth. Maybe that consistency of you staying within the same organisation for a longer period of time would make the difference.

2009-03-26 04:19

6 replies

That argument is ridiculous. The changing of organizations has been out of their control. Organizations like GamePlay made promises they were unable to live up to. The roster itself has probably been the most consistant roster in the world over the past 3 years, with minor roster changes do to inactivity. Hoorai - lurppis, plaste, nasu, conte, ruuit 69°N-28°E - lurppis, plaste, nasu, conte, ruuit Roccat - lurppis/tihOp, plaste, nasu, conte, ruuit GamePlay - tihOp, plaste, nasu, conte, ruuit CrackClan - lurppis, plaste, nasu, conte, SpikeOne That seems pretty damn consistant to me in terms of a team. If you do follow what has happened in the past the orginizations part due to financial issues. I don't get where their teams have been shattered. The only dumb thing they have done was when they cut plaste for like a week, but they got smart and brought him back quick.

2009-03-26 05:38

2 replies

lurppis was in GP.

2009-03-26 17:02

I know about the consistency of the team, my concern is the consistency of the team being with the same organization.

2009-03-26 17:16

You dont seem to know much about gaming on professional level. Read your comment about clans changing name/sponsors tomorrow and you might see how ridicilous it is.

2009-03-26 17:32

As an organization, Crack Clan has been around since May 4th, 1998, so it's not like we're going anywhere soon :)

2009-03-26 18:18

1 reply

You guys don't seem to get what I'm going for here. Just nvm.

2009-03-28 21:38

stop being dogs to the aussie teams u bunch of girls

2009-03-26 06:39

1 reply

Noone is saying a team should be in instead of the aussiies, the main complaint is EG and x3o.

2009-03-26 14:30

crackclan deserves this spot more then any team on that list,as gravitas do also. and we hope that mibr or Firegamers get an invite to, becuz we dont hav a ESWC BRASIL this year.

2009-03-26 06:57

and ESWC without one of ESWC WINNERS,like mibr will be so boring.

2009-03-26 06:58

3 replies

mibr would probably lose to speeders, there is no way they would be ready to compete this early with their new roster.

2009-03-26 14:29

1 reply

There's no way that mibr with the worst team ever lose to some crap team like speeders,its not gravitas or EG that u talking about.

2009-04-04 13:07

There is an 'Edit' button to add further content to your message after it has been published.

2009-03-26 17:37

EG ( as much as i love n0thing..:d) should be out for CC and x3o out for gravz end thread-!__$1-4-!_$_$_!_$!_$_!-1-4-14-1-41-_-_14--41

2009-03-26 07:15

this is a f*ck*n joke :D

2009-03-26 09:12

crackclan deserves the spot yo

2009-03-26 12:41

Too bad someone censored the thread, as many users has said it rocked, wiggles said it was the most epic thread of the year, and yes it was a lot of fun reading!

2009-03-26 17:01

4 replies

There has been no censorship but flamming has been set to its end. As said in my previous message if users want to discuss the issue, fine. If someone is unable to do it in a respectful way (neither calling someone this or that, or starting flames) better not post at all.

2009-03-26 17:36

3 replies

Discussing in an aggressive way doesn't mean you flame, or whatever you call it, I just hate him and he hates me but we didn't do anything wrong.

2009-03-26 19:05

2 replies

If you like to "exchange hate" please use the private message system but do not mess up a thread ;)

2009-03-26 22:00

1 reply

We didn't mess it up, everyone liked what we did to it. :P Think that was the point with lurppis statement too, he wanted to make a big deal of it, and he did.

2009-03-26 22:15

I don't see what the problem is here. CC & Gravitas are obviously better than Speeder, Immunity, Ultimax, TitaNs and x3o, but in the end it's ESWC staff's business who they want at their tournament and so forth. And at least like three of those teams will probably not be able to compete anyways, due to lack of funds, so honestly I think CC will get their spot anyways. If you'd stop changing the lineup all the time and instead focused on praccing you might actually make it to the top and these things wouldn't be a problem..

2009-03-26 19:19

Calm down guyz :) Look lurppis,they've got reasons why they didn't called CC,and there's nothing u can do about it,they made their choice. My personal opinon is that u've got rly good team,and u should be invited 2 eswc,but what a hack,it's 2 l8 now :)All u have 2 do is concentrate on the incoming events,sit down and practice hard ;) It's not like this is the last eswc :) Don't worry,b happy :)

2009-03-26 19:55

Best topic in hltv.org for a long time hahaha that lurppis just can't keep his mouth closed, and this can be as good as bad. btw this time I have to agree with him, but I must say that the roster changes since the old roccat + the sponsor changes fucked up the team pretty much. Ah and I miss ruuit.

2009-03-26 20:01

1 reply

but they got spikeone, crazy aimer ^^.

2009-03-26 21:05

The asian teams are probably chosen because the event is being held in Asia so the asian people have some teams to cheer for and to give the asian teams a chance to compete against some european teams but of course Gravitas Gaming should be invited instead of Evil Geniuses. I think this has a little to do with the organizations. If Gravitas line-up was playing for EG I think they would´ve been invited because ESWC rates EG higher than Gravitas for some reason, shouldn´t be like that and I hope it isn´t. If this event was held in Europe it would of course be most european teams participating. lurppis, I understand that you´re mad but there will be more events where you get a chance to pwn, just wait :)

2009-03-26 20:46

2 replies

Like lurppis said, there is only kode5 besides ESWC and they have to beat mTw to get there.

2009-03-26 21:08

But ESWC stated that the invite was made on accomplishments, that's why they're upset. If they just would have said that they invited teams from Asia because this or that, noone would have made such a big deal about it.

2009-03-28 15:35

Obviously organization changes/changing one player here and there doesn't have any effect on this, look at the other teams that were invited with roster changes. As I said a million times, EG got picked cause of GotFrag vote ranking that was made before they played their first match ever as a team, and ESWC said the teams are picked based on ACCOMPLISHMENTS, not based on having multiple teams from Asia/Oceania participate. If they would have said from the get go that they're inviting X amount of teams per continent it would have been different. And yeah, there may be more events but the way I see CS I play for the trips, I don't really want to go to Kode5, DreamHack or other events in middle Europe, this was basically the only event in the first 8-9 months of the year that we had a realistic chance of going to, that I wanted to attend. Every time at DreamHack & CeBIT we decide we're never coming back to this place, but in reality CS is so small you can't afford to miss events just cause you don't like the places/venues. If I looking at level of teams/prizes this is lower than Kode5 so it wouldn't be that bad to miss if that was what I wanted, but I just wanted to go to Korea =D

2009-03-26 21:16

1 reply

you just explained why you don't have organization

2009-03-31 21:43

Crack clan for the win!

2009-03-26 23:48

Lurppis : surely billions of people there..billions of opinions..screw all..do whatever your heart says... screw people who hate you...I personally understand all your feelings....and surely love your team..:))).and there would be lot of others who feels same as me...... I sincerely wish you good luck in the future.... :)

2009-03-27 00:53

1 reply

hi Dr.Phil!

2009-04-04 14:05