vice to take indefinite break from competition

3-9-2019 13:04

Former Cloud9 played Daniel "⁠vice⁠" Kim has announced he will be taking a break from competition to further his education.

vice made his first splash competitively when he signed for TSM in early 2016 following a stint in Denial. There, he played with Kory "⁠SEMPHIS⁠" Friesen, Pujan "⁠FNS⁠" Mehta, Hunter "⁠SicK⁠" Mims, and Liquid superstar Russel "⁠Twistzz⁠" Van Dulken.

vice will take a break from competition

vice also shared a team with Ethan "⁠Ethan⁠" Arnold when they both were under the eUnited banner. He then went on to sign by Rogue, where he had his longest tenure and played with the likes of Spencer "⁠Hiko⁠" Martin, Mathias "⁠MSL⁠" Lauridsen, Ricardo "⁠Rickeh⁠" Mulholland, and Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller before getting his big break with Cloud9. The Cloud9 transfer didn't work out, however, as the team was overhauled soon after as bad results had been dragging on before and after his joining the organization.

The American player has now stated that he will return to school and go on hiatus from competition as he has lost motivation, but has left the opportunity for a return in the future open.

vice's statement reads:

"As of now and the foreseeable future, I am taking an extended break from competitive CS. Somewhere along the way, I lost the inspiration and motivation that made me want to devote 100% of myself to the game and I don't think staying in the pro scene for the sake of money is the right way for me. I'm planning on going back to school for now but CS has been such a big part of my life that I doubt I'll be done with it forever.

"Shoutout to all my friends that made this journey unforgettable"

who

2019-09-03 13:04

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furry

2019-09-03 13:06

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one of yours?

2019-09-03 13:07

1 reply

Rip

2019-09-03 13:43

expected

Who

2019-09-03 14:27

Underrated

Who?

RIP

cool. hopefully he finds what he is searching for

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2019-09-03 13:14

-1

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2019-09-03 14:25

= - 2

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2019-09-03 16:20

wh oh mega lol?

the vice (#2 2018)

2019-09-03 22:08

Smart decision.

Good luck in the future.

so?

who cares?!

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I do

2019-09-03 14:44

Nobody forced you to waste your life away reading articles you dont care about on here lmao so dumb

What do you expect from HLTV users? Most of them are pathetic guys with no life and they feel better talking shit in front of a monitor

2019-09-04 00:41

excuse me, who???

2019-09-04 21:58

no u

2019-09-05 05:01

smart

vice <=> device

smart tbh

bot

wow who

Probably will invent edible PooPoo ZULUL while working for Tesla or Harvard since he's asian

2019-09-03 23:13

2019-09-03 13:08

Hope he comes back some day

why device is looking weird?

2019-09-03 13:09

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2019-09-03 13:11

>23 years >going back to school

i think its a nice age, you?

2019-09-03 13:16

lmao

2019-09-03 13:23

Never too late

2019-09-03 15:41

not that late 😎

masters degree? 23 is young enough

2019-09-03 17:05

people get their bachelor's degree here between 22-23 years old mostly so he is probably going for his masters. Or he also started college later you never know, there is no age that you need to be under to go to school you know.

2019-09-04 04:22

holding back the years

2019-09-03 13:17

t19 player

2019-09-03 13:19

Who??

2019-09-03 13:21

he failed as an asian

2019-09-03 15:53

he was trash anyways

2019-09-03 13:28

2019-09-03 13:45

who?

jizzus also taking break

2019-09-03 13:56

+111111 can we get hltv articul for dis!?!?!?!

pls jony E make articl

Best decision of his life because cs pro on average last few years and then u are fucked and have no money

+1 to that - and many resort to being "streamers" because they can't do anything else after retiring. We'll see see where these guys will be in a few years

2019-09-03 14:02

Yea very few players can have a money for decent amount of time but i think they have to livea normal life and not luxury if they want it to last long

2019-09-03 14:07

Some retired pros from 1.6 actually are still making big money by stealing them from the players (ehmehmheatonehm)

2019-09-03 15:18

Well Karrigan has a masters degree in something so he will be able to find something after cs if he does not become a big streamer or affiliate for one of the many different companies involved in esports.

2019-09-04 04:23

Happy bday tho

2019-09-03 13:58

don’t talk to us until you doctor vice

2019-09-03 14:00

You're absolutely right in your decision. Few players perform well enough in order to make that a decent job. Studying is the way to go, don't waste your life in this game if you're not an exceptional player (as we see so many do)

2019-09-03 14:01

Well. To BE honest he took the right decision. School is more important than playing vídeo games. And csgo isnt a job for the entre life...

+ infinite

2019-09-03 23:02

de_vice

2019-09-03 14:10

wait what? maybe he mean university ? cuz school is waste of time lol also he is 23 no way that he mean the school

2019-09-03 14:19

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school = university

2019-09-03 14:29

u mean in usa? i arent think that

yeah any form of education = school or schooling

2019-09-03 14:46

when I fake plant, and catch you pushing, you just went to school. like that.

2019-09-03 15:25

ok, thank u didnt know that

2019-09-03 15:50

2019-09-03 16:19

interesting

2019-09-04 03:09

deserved

2019-09-03 14:28

Smart move, best of luck!

2019-09-03 14:42

who car

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2019-09-03 15:04

"Former Cloud9 played Daniel "vice" Kim" YES cloud9 played with vice xD hahahah HLTV plz fix

2019-09-03 15:15

Device wtf? Mid major omg device

2019-09-03 15:16

Gl in the future

2019-09-03 15:17

going to vice city mb

2019-09-03 15:23

he should take break, he has to be tired from all these major appereances..

2019-09-03 15:33

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2019-09-03 16:28

Guy with no team that doesn't play takes time off. Cool.

2019-09-03 17:04

who cares he sucked so badly

2019-09-03 17:06

who cares wtf

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2019-09-03 18:24

nobody cares wtf

2019-09-03 18:34

Good

2019-09-03 18:59

Good for him. Pro CS will be a nice memory. He can tell his kids he was on C9 with Flusha and Autimatic one day. I'm sure he's got some cash. Won't have to stress too much while he finishes school. Go get a good job. Decent player but at 23 doesn't have the chops to make it in the bigs so to speak.

2019-09-03 19:31

He didn't play with flusha, that was Zellsis

2019-09-03 20:10

Another one who should go focus on his education.

Not sure what you mean, I'm right. Edit: Not sure who you were referring to

2019-09-03 20:19

Think he's referring to Zellsis

2019-09-03 23:11

Yeah sorry dude I meant Zellsis. Have no idea who you are bro.

2019-09-03 23:21

Did he quit school, like, high school, or he's talking about college?

2019-09-03 20:34

Almost definitely talking about college. It's kind of hard to drop out of high school and this guy was nowhere on the radar when he would have done it. I mean he's older then Elige, NAF, Twistzz, Stewie2k, Brehze, Ethan and Autimatic. That's all NA's great players and unlike Sick for example I don't remember this guys name before TSM at all.

2019-09-03 23:24

there are people in college you are 60 years old... it's never too late to get your degree... even if it is worthless it is still an achievement

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2019-09-04 04:24

The best part is: "I don't think staying in the pro scene for the sake of money is the right way for me." What money? Being unsigned? Did this guy even stream? Lol. Talking like JW would if he were walking away from $25,000/month salary with Fnatic + backends, lol. Why did this even get an article, tbh? Kid made an average of $7,000/yr in prize money for every year active to a collective less than $35,000. Okay, then...

2019-09-04 06:05

Lol CS players signed by organizations make money, it's called a salary fyi. Most orgs don't even give players prize money anymore, they just pay them salary and maybe a bonus if they win a big tournament (plus sticker money if applicable) I'm not saying he was making liquid style money obviously, but just being signed by c9 means he was getting paid.

2019-09-04 14:33

Vice: 2019-03-23 - 2019-07-02 // Cloud 9 (Trial) 2019-09-02 // Announces inactivity. You clearly don't pay attention. He hasn't been signed the entire summer. He was dropped 2 months ago by C9 and has not been collecting salary since (ie. No money). In addition to that, esports orgs make 99% of their money from advertisement revenue and investors. Not prize money. Prize money collection was a thing of the past. Established orgs don't collect on the prize money... They make millions off advertisements and back-end deals. Players likely collect a salary (obviously), stream revenue, and the prize money (if not the majority), as most of their income. Whereas the bigger bucks from advertisement and endorsement revenue go to the org itself. If you remember the Tfue scenario with FaZe Clan, they didn't collect on his prize money... They make MILLIONS off having top talent. The prize money is nil to the orgs in comparison to what they get paid by peripheral and energy drink companies to represent them. That's how the trade off works. Prize money is collected by players (again, for top tier teams, guaranteed, because the orgs have other fluid streams of revenue, as well as it helps to motivate players to win when they get to keep their earnings. Meanwhile, the orgs benefit from having Marvel and Razor emblazoned on their players' jerseys or in the player's screen name, in game. That's where the REAL money comes from in esports and always has. This isn't 2009 anymore. Prize money used to BE collected by orgs to help pay for players salaries/expenditures. You have it backwards on when Prize money was actually given to players. It is now, not prior. This doesn't necessarily hold true for Tier 3-4 teams, but Tier 1 teams make all their $ off their clout and from their investors/advertisers. But, I digress... vice wasn't making any money playing CS anymore and thus, goes back to school like any other kid. In that, the entire time he spent on a Tier 1/2 org was in Rogue (2017-19) and C9 (2019). He had two years were he actually collected what you could consider a moderately decent salary - if that. C9 pays well, but he was only trialing - so there's no way to know how much he was making as he wasn't a full-fledged member of the org, yet. Like a trainee, basically. I'm sure the salary was still very nice... For what it was. And since, two months of unemployment.

2019-09-05 09:04