Hard Legion remove zoneR following ban for coaching bug exploit

After an internal investigation into Aleksandr "⁠zoneR⁠" Bogatiryev's two-year ban by ESL, Hard Legion has decided to cut ties with their coach effective immediately.

"It was difficult for us to believe in Alexander's guilt,", Hard Legion said in their statement about the matter, but based on the results of internal discussions, the decision was made that the punishment was fair and that no appeal would be made. zoneR was banned by ESL for two years due to abusing the coaching bug exploit in six maps across three matches in ESL One: Road to Rio - CIS.

Hard Legion cut ties with their coach and have found the players innocent

Hard Legion added that they condemn any manifestation of cheating, with their concern beign that the players were aware of zoneR's usage of the exploit. However, that was not confirmed and they "tend to believe that the coach did not inform anyone about the fact he has an advantage in the game".

According to Hard Legion, the players continued to play fair, "ignoring the fact that the coach's hints turned out to be extremely correct". No sanctions from the side of the team will be applied to the Semyon "⁠kinqie⁠" Lisitsyn and co. as "we have no reason to believe that the players were aware of this 'bug' in advance", the statement reads.

With zoneR being dismissed from the team for his transgressions, he Hard Legion the team for the second time in two months, having departed at the end of June before returning two weeks ago, in August.

Following the announcement, freelance esports referee Michal Slowinski — who was one of the key people in uncovering the bug abuse—, added that Hard Legion's assistant coach Erik "⁠AKIMOV⁠" Akimov was also caught abusing the bug. The infraction happened in Eden Arena: Malta Vibes Cup 3, a tournament that took place on July 14-19 where Hard Legion placed 3-4th. Slowinski also added that "it is very surprising that they [players] didn't realise something was wrong, considering this was abused at least 10 full maps".

Hard Legion are now:

Russia Semyon "⁠kinqie⁠" Lisitsyn
Russia Svyatoslav "⁠svyat⁠" Dovbakh
Russia Vladislav "⁠Krad⁠" Kravchenko
Russia Igor "⁠Forester⁠" Bezotecheskiy
Ukraine Dmitry "⁠rAge⁠" Bolotov

You can read the statement in full below:

Official statement from the Hard Legion team regarding the ban of Alexander “MechanoGun” Bogatyrev.

Yesterday we received a letter from ESL announcing the decision to ban our coach for two years. It was difficult for us to believe in Alexander's guilt, but we had to conduct a personal investigation of this situation. Based on the results of internal discussions, we decided that the punishment from ESL was fair. We refuse to make any appeal and we are staying on the side of the tournament organizer.

The Hard Legion organization is extremely negative about any manifestation of "cheating" and believes that honesty in Esports should be above all other things!We are very concerned that our players are suspected of knowingly conspiring with the coach and are also secretly urged to punish them. In the course of the proceedings with the coach and the players, we tend to believe that the coach did not inform anyone about the fact that he has an advantage in the game. The players continued to play fair, ignoring the fact that the coach's hints turned out to be extremely correct. We have no reason to believe that the players were aware of this "bug" in advance, so no sanctions on our part will be applied to the players.

We made a decision to not to take the side of the coach and not look for excuses for his action. Alexander "MechanoGun" Bogatyrev was immediately dismissed from his post as team coach.

We bring our deepest apologies to all competitors, as well as all the Esports fans. We believe that this story will be indicative for everyone.

Russia Svyatoslav 'svyat' Dovbakh
Svyatoslav 'svyat' Dovbakh
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.91
Maps played:
550
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.67
Russia Semyon 'kinqie' Lisitsyn
Semyon 'kinqie' Lisitsyn
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
605
KPR:
0.66
DPR:
0.70
Ukraine Dmitry 'rAge' Bolotov
Dmitry 'rAge' Bolotov
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
315
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.61
Russia Vladislav 'Krad' Kravchenko
Vladislav 'Krad' Kravchenko
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
587
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.68
Russia Igor 'Forester' Bezotecheskiy
Igor 'Forester' Bezotecheskiy
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
594
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.67
Russia Erik 'AKIMOV' Akimov
Erik 'AKIMOV' Akimov
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.86
Maps played:
62
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.71
hopefully not -HUNDEN from Heroic next
2020-09-01 13:53
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#7
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Peru Rhenie
goneR
2020-09-01 13:53
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33 replies
stupid CS this is not a bug, this is an opportunity if you can't write good code, go elsewhere
2020-09-01 13:58
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30 replies
hah true
2020-09-01 14:00
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9 replies
2020-09-01 15:19
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8 replies
roflanebalo
2020-09-01 15:21
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7 replies
I dont think that ppl from west know what roflanebalo is)))
2020-09-01 15:49
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6 replies
Da on newfag pohodu))
2020-09-01 16:07
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5 replies
#187
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Sweden EYESTA
newfag talking about newfags Id 807740 Signed up 2016-10-31 Comments 1499
2020-09-01 17:00
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4 replies
Irrelevant. Lurkers are better than you they just do not have account.
2020-09-01 17:23
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#201
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Ukraine kor3y
hold by beer newborn
2020-09-01 17:27
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1 reply
#213
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden EYESTA
a difference of less than 1 year, nt prodka
2020-09-01 18:45
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Ok boomer
2020-09-02 03:36
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any game has bugs. he did it deliberately and was punished. by your stupid logic, then there is no need to punish cheaters because the game is to blame for this
2020-09-01 14:05
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16 replies
#72
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Australia Denial123
+1 ABUSING A BUG exploiting the game
2020-09-01 14:16
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I agree, this must be punished. The only thing I disagree with is the lack of consistency in the punishment handed out to players or teams, that has abused bugs in the past. Pixel walking, the jump bug on inferno, fnatic abusing a map bug on overpass. Take the fnatic case, they did that in a quarter-final in a $250.000 tournament yet received no punishment or ban from other Dreamhack tournaments (or CSGO tournaments) for x months/years. If you find a hole in a map, the game engine, the config files used at a tournament, the tournament PCs or some other major oversight that can be exploited and you keep it to yourself and abuse it, then clearly you don't care about winning fair and square.
2020-09-01 14:44
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14 replies
map bug? can you show me where the bug was? by definition it was not a bug but an exploit since there was no game issue with that boost
2020-09-01 14:55
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1 reply
+1
2020-09-01 17:00
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#120
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Brazil Rafaking
In the same way, BIG did in Krakow in 2017. the jump crouch bug probably put they in the playoffs and put SK against astralis in the quarte-finals
2020-09-01 15:06
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3 replies
The only match were they were the only ones abusing it was vs C9 and that was a destruction of C9 - no matter if they used it or not ... vs faze and MIBR the bug was known, allowed by valve and prohibited to overuse via gentlemen’s agreement. While this coach bug is way more effective and exploited by just a hand full *also the crouch jump bug was widely used before big exploited it (Mirage Jump spotting b apps - everyone did that!)
2020-09-02 16:02
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2 replies
It doesnt matter if they would have stomped the team anyways. If they exploited something they should be banned or held accountable for it
2020-09-02 16:35
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1 reply
They did something EVERYONE was doing but just in a more researched way (in the way that they found more positions)
2020-09-02 17:03
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LDLC also used a pixel boost, but it wasnt as good as Fnatic's boost. Map should have been reset and done but LDLC got mad and fnatic forfeit due to fan pressure
2020-09-01 15:43
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2 replies
#176
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Germany theFRXS
i don't think it was fan pressure, more like pressure from there organisation und sponsors but yeah you are right
2020-09-01 16:35
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Never thought I should say this to a Thorin lover, but finally, FINALLY, someone with some common sense regarding this years old subject.
2020-09-01 17:01
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#194
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Europe im_we
People discover new wallbangs in 1.6 to this game. That's one of the reasons we love it. Whoever wants to punish players for exploring these avenues of the game is a fun killer.
2020-09-01 17:07
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4 replies
wallbangs vs watching enemy movements is OP.
2020-09-01 18:07
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#209
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Europe im_we
I'd say wallbangs give you even more advantage actually.
2020-09-01 18:08
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1 reply
I actually laughed
2020-09-02 16:03
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#208
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Europe im_we
*to this day
2020-09-01 18:08
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#69
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Finland naBBe
In football games there is space in pitch so you should just put more players on field? :D iq 5 logic
2020-09-01 14:14
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1 reply
tbh it's not really comparable because football coaches wont get the chance to put more players on the field, and if they will it would just DQ them rather then get them banned if anything.
2020-09-01 15:45
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#131
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Germany AdiZen
lol its a rule that bug abusing will be punished and they broke that rule so they will get banned be happy that they are no perma bans
2020-09-01 15:20
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lol
2020-09-01 14:04
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lmaooo :D
2020-09-01 15:51
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classic +zoner -zoner +zoner -zoner lmao
2020-09-01 13:53
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1 reply
-zoomer +boomer
2020-09-01 14:03
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#26
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Germany R1AN
BIG NEVER CHEAT AND USE BUGS! #goBIG 🐾 #gemeinsam #respectfulBIGfans
2020-09-01 13:55
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24 replies
Krakow '17 flashbacks
2020-09-01 14:01
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12 replies
+1 LMAO
2020-09-01 14:03
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#74
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Germany Germania
BUG =/= FEATURE
2020-09-01 14:17
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10 replies
#91
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Brazil SecondKS
BUG = BIG
2020-09-01 14:28
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9 replies
#94
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Germany Germania
Brazilian talking about bugs kkkkkkkkkkkk your coach is banned for abusing and cheating lul
2020-09-01 14:29
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8 replies
#119
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Brazil SecondKS
My coach? I'm mibr? LuL. Shut up BUG clan, sprout >>> BIG
2020-09-01 15:03
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Krakow '17
2020-09-01 17:00
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6 replies
#204
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Germany Germania
legal bug
2020-09-01 17:46
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5 replies
#210
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Brazil SecondKS
"Hur dur legal bug" hahaha LUL
2020-09-01 18:15
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2 replies
#211
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Germany Germania
Why do you "LUL" the truth?
2020-09-01 18:24
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1 reply
LUL
2020-09-01 22:48
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There is no such thing as a legal bug lmao
2020-09-02 16:36
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1 reply
#233
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Germany Germania
2020-09-02 16:41
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#71
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Slovakia EvErisT
nt stupid retard they used bug go learn something about BIG team
2020-09-01 14:14
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9 replies
he is obv baiting and probably not even german. also tone it down a notch.
2020-09-01 14:20
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#82
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Germany crippz
You are the retard who has been baited very hard lmao
2020-09-01 14:22
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6 replies
#98
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Slovakia EvErisT
hitler was baited stupid german pig
2020-09-01 14:36
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5 replies
WTF mens 😳
2020-09-01 15:31
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You are so mad and so easy to bait it's almost boring. Very stoopid. :DD
2020-09-01 16:29
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Østrig..........you stupid russian
2020-09-01 16:57
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#203
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Slovakia EvErisT
stupid denmark gay
2020-09-01 17:33
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Probably some truth to that. Yes, come visit Russian in the winter. Its very nice.
2020-09-02 01:31
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All other teams used the bug as well. Get facts before you talk back.
2020-09-01 14:57
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#73
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Germany Germania
+1
2020-09-01 14:16
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Hard Legion are looking for a new coach, hunden would be a great fit.
2020-09-01 13:58
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#41
Faceit level 7  | 
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Sweden quacke
HUNDEN's ban is 12 months and he is 4 years younger than zoneR. He could stay at Heroic in a analyst role and maybe come back to coaching in a year, with someone else taking on the role of Head Coach.
2020-09-01 14:02
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Do you think there is an age limit on coaching? It is not as reaction and vision based as playing... I mean football coacheds often times coach well into their seventies. Flick is 55, Klopp is 53, Mourinho is 58, Pep is 49. Ancelotti is 61 and Heyneckes was 72 when he left Bayern.
2020-09-01 14:23
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#92
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Sweden quacke
Yeah no, of course, but in CS it's very uncommon to see someone above the age of 35. It's not a hard age limit, as in it's not impossible to do it beyond that age, but most people just don't.
2020-09-01 14:28
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#97
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Armenia alxo
? coaches are there for tactical timeouts, help IGL's, help with analysts, help the squad in any way possible to win
2020-09-01 14:35
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#102
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Sweden quacke
Yeah, like I said, there's no hard age limit as in you could theoretically do it when you are 70, but there are much better opportunities to earn a living once you get beyond the 30-35 age mark. Also, the game is always changing in meta, and the old meta that existed back in their time is no longer availible. Not everyone can adapt to that, Dignitas is a perfect example.
2020-09-01 14:40
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But by then, those players on those squads would be in their 30's or 40's, and having new players, they would have their own lives.
2020-09-01 17:15
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Don't you think the main reason is that people under the age of 35 are unlikely to have been in contact with the game and that this might slowly shift to not be the case anymore?
2020-09-01 14:40
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#113
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Sweden quacke
Could be, but also the meta is constantly changing. Old players don't play the same kind of CS at all compared to modern teams today. Dignitas are a perfect example.
2020-09-01 14:53
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You have a fair point in saying that the meta is changing, but isn't that exactly the task of an IGL / Coach? To adapt their team to a current meta? I think Dignitas / NiP fell of because they got older and are no longer on their physical peek, but also because they never were a truly great team. They were just the best at the time because the others were shit and they were good, but they were never great. When other teams caught up with them you could see their constant stagnation. Imo NiP 2013/2014 would struggle to be a Top 10 team at this current day.
2020-09-01 17:31
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#205
Faceit level 7  | 
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Sweden quacke
But isn't that exactly proof of what I'm saying? Most coaches are ex-players, and NiP/DIG obviously got stuck in their old meta and could never adapt. And sure, coaches could do that for a while, like zews and HUNDEN, but not forever.
2020-09-01 17:48
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I do not think so. What I meant to say is that NiP were the first team to approach the CSGO scene from a professional standpoint. In the early years of CS a lot of players still had fulltime jobs. NiP's players didn´t. When other teams adapted, paid proper salaries and made their players able to make a living of the game, NiP just fell off not because the meta changed, but because they no longer had the advantage over other teams. Also XIzt is just a shit IGL, if he would have been kicked 5 years ago and replaced by someone like pronax, they might have been able to be salvaged, but now it is way too late,
2020-09-01 17:51
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#212
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Sweden quacke
Yeah, idk. I guess it's a bit too early to say after all. I think we'll see how it really works in 10 years or so.
2020-09-01 18:38
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2 replies
I will see you then!
2020-09-01 22:54
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#219
Faceit level 7  | 
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Sweden quacke
Definitely!
2020-09-01 22:55
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They're only banned from ESL and Dreamhack competitions though (for now at least).
2020-09-01 15:25
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#140
Faceit level 7  | 
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Sweden quacke
Still, if you think about it ESL and DH have counted for about 80% of all the big tournaments we've played this year. In fact, the only tournaments they played that weren't ESL or DH were: -ICE Challenge -LOOT.BET Season 6 -Elisa Invitational -Home Sweet Home 5 & 6 -cs_summit 6 Qualifier and Main Event And the only ones of those that can be considered big events are cs_summit and ICE Challenge. Going forward, the only two events they are scheduled to play according to HLTV are EPL S12 and IEM New York, both ESL events. While more will probably be added, the only non-ESL event going forward is the BLAST Premier Fall Series, which consists of three events in Europe. And they very well could have used it during BLAST and can recieve a ban for that as well. In other words: The only event HUNDEN is potentially coaching this year is going to be BLAST, and even that is unconfirmed.
2020-09-01 15:34
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#43
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Turkey bafra
2020-09-01 14:02
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wdym hopefully not lol? he got a 1 year ban, what are they suppose to do with him now, he cant be their coach
2020-09-01 14:43
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well i hope they move him to analyst or keep him on the bench instead of just fully removing him, definitely got a lot more to give as a coach
2020-09-01 15:13
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idk if they want their org to be connected to a guy that draw some much bad attention right now, but will see
2020-09-01 15:14
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meanwhile people who actually cheat like N0thing get a free pass
2020-09-01 17:24
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#214
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North America unban_forsaken
this didn't age well
2020-09-01 18:45
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1 reply
it did not
2020-09-01 18:47
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#2
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Finland Cucumber))
Expected
2020-09-01 13:52
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#3
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Lithuania MomentoMore
ok
2020-09-01 13:53
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#4
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Other oRmKalessiN
what? any details?
2020-09-01 13:53
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5 replies
well he cheated back in ESL Road to Rio across 6 maps and got banned and the team agreed that the ban was just
2020-09-01 13:55
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4 replies
funny thing is their owner knew they were using it :D
2020-09-01 14:08
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#81
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Europe loveall
I missed this part that owner knew. Where is that stated?
2020-09-01 14:22
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2 replies
i read somewhere that he was in their teamspeak during one of those games, and he said to himself that it wont end up well (:
2020-09-01 14:23
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1 reply
#108
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North America 007DBR9
lmao
2020-09-01 14:46
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#5
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France GODamz
One per one
2020-09-01 13:53
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#6
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Italy Brian_Furious
Expected
2020-09-01 13:53
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#8
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France Bavolk
ahahhahaha :)
2020-09-01 13:53
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Wasn't he added two weeks ago? Whahahaa
2020-09-01 13:53
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5 replies
he cheater back in ESL Road to Rio so probably not
2020-09-01 13:54
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#40
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Germany I_car
He was added two weeks ago after been kicked in June kkkkkkk
2020-09-01 14:01
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2 replies
lol wtf
2020-09-01 14:05
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i didn’t know that hahahah
2020-09-01 14:06
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No he was added back when LAN era I remember him used to shout n taunt opponents when winning rounds lol
2020-09-01 14:45
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what about the players lol, dont tell me no one knew after 5 games
2020-09-01 13:53
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9 replies
Thinking the same
2020-09-01 13:55
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#47
Faceit level 7  | 
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Sweden quacke
If they were playing from home then it's possible he just never told them.
2020-09-01 14:03
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6 replies
So this guy is just using it for 5 games but keeping the information to himself? Why would he even do it then.
2020-09-01 14:05
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5 replies
#66
Faceit level 7  | 
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Sweden quacke
He could still give the info but he could be subtle. Example: Say he noticed the enemy team have a poor economy. He could call "I think they will have a rough buy, you should get SMGs and don't buy an AWP." That's info that could just as well have been a smart read, and does not indicate any cheating at all. Another example, they are stacking A on an eco round. A good coach would know when the enemy team are on an eco, and expecting a stack would be a smart move. He could call "let's go B, they might stack" knowing full well they are all A, but making it seem he just happened to get it right. See what I mean?
2020-09-01 14:12
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3 replies
yes i get you, but still unlikely that a coach would risk all that alone, without anyone else being with him
2020-09-01 14:14
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#75
Faceit level 7  | 
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Sweden quacke
Not at all. The players are more likely to have morals and say no, they are young and have a whole career ahead of them. zoneR was 33, how many years did he really have left in the scene, coaching a tier 2-3 Russian team? Like, does this ban really impact him all that much?
2020-09-01 14:18
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I mean, now he has to go back to his fulltime job of day drinking and shouting at russian kids from his two bedroom apartment. So, no, I think his life is better now.
2020-09-01 14:25
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He doesn't have to tell them he is using the bug. he can just say "Maybe rush b guys" instead of saying "They stack A, go b"
2020-09-01 14:27
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Not told them lmao check this mobile.twitter.com/Aniket_Raj1/status/13.. Perfect reads and pushing without any fear at the perfect moment
2020-09-02 16:39
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expected fuck this team bunch of cheaters
2020-09-01 13:53
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1 reply
Dont be so mad mens)) ikr you are angry because of them beating navi at road to rio by using cheats but still
2020-09-01 13:55
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bye bye
2020-09-01 13:54
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expected
2020-09-01 13:54
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#17
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Netherlands p2dr
rip hunden((
2020-09-01 13:54
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filzbad
2020-09-01 13:54
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hahahahaha
2020-09-01 13:54
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#20
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Greece Noocklas
ok
2020-09-01 13:54
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#21
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Myanmar roye
sure like they didnt know what they were doing :D
2020-09-01 13:54
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1 reply
+1
2020-09-01 14:53
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#22
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Russia any7hing
need ban hardleagion team for using bugs
2020-09-01 13:54
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5 replies
#29
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Russia S1naRk
yep
2020-09-01 13:56
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Then ban Heroic and mibr aswell
2020-09-01 15:18
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#166
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Russia any7hing
heroic mbe, but mibr for only one round? dont think so
2020-09-01 16:00
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2 replies
But mibr used it so therefore they should be banned, thats what your logic implies. need ban mibr team for using bugs
2020-09-01 16:08
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1 reply
+1, 1 round cheating or 10, doesnt really matter, they should be banned
2020-09-01 17:02
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Players and management probably told him to do it and now hes kicked lol
2020-09-01 13:55
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#153
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Austria SplasJ
someone has to be the scapegoat
2020-09-01 15:44
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Yea and the players didnt know right? He was giving them the info they were using it and they are innocent
2020-09-01 13:55
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1 reply
2020-09-01 14:28
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lol expected How long he was a coach after returning?
2020-09-01 13:56
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1 reply
#57
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Germany I_car
Hltv news were posted 19/8
2020-09-01 14:07
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NEXT TOPIC : HUNDEN kicked from heroic and now they seeking a new coach.
2020-09-01 13:56
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#31
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Kazakhstan abilmansur
--->zoner was removed --->zoner joined back to Hard Legion --->now again Zoner was removed from hard legion --->next to one, I'm waiting for zoner to be the new coach of valorant squad of Hard Legion
2020-09-01 13:57
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Lol how useful that info will be for the coach if the players don't get it , everyone should be banned
2020-09-01 13:57
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#35
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Other XTROIL
The players were aware of his actions? I mean, they got the info....
2020-09-01 13:58
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axaxaxaxa
2020-09-01 13:59
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#39
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Turkey bafra
eslgaming.com/article/exploitation-coach.. "HUNDEN will receive a 12-month ban from playing or coaching in competition"
2020-09-01 14:01
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When is -hunden and -dead
2020-09-01 14:03
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HUNDEN we dont know what will happen since they have internal discussions etc: heroic.gg/regarding-the-ban-of-nicolai-h.. Dead got suspended; twitter.com/mibr/status/1300538377092173.. And he will most likely be removed for either Peacemaker or someone else since MIBR need a coach.
2020-09-01 14:16
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#67
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Sweden jodmod
Mibr is a dead team and If they kick their coach they will probably disband. Hunden will probably stay in heroic behind the scenes and creating strats while someone else takes on ingame coaching.
2020-09-01 14:12
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Dead is the manager, not even a proper coach.
2020-09-01 14:35
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Online its online
2020-09-01 14:04
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thumb up
2020-09-01 14:07
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nice next step ban this ruskis cheaters
2020-09-01 14:07
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#148
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World WestSideDude
+1 Russia = cheating
2020-09-01 15:40
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#56
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Sweden CharlesEmilNilsson
#KEEPHUNDEN
2020-09-01 14:07
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Like players didnt take advnatage of it lol
2020-09-01 14:10
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#61
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Europe Juuzou_
Rofl. So scapegoat is found. Lets publicly destroy the coach, while the players also knew it was going on😂. Ugh
2020-09-01 14:11
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na zavod
2020-09-01 14:11
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goneR
2020-09-01 14:12
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#68
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Finland GAIDEN
hardplay suck
2020-09-01 14:13
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#76
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Ukraine YUR4S
2020-09-01 14:19
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#77
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Armenia gr1nch
2020-09-01 14:20
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#79
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Germany CALM_BAITER
Esl is a joke. Really they ban coaches and thats it. As if players didnt know about it. Ffs some of them were sitting in the room with the coach. Hahaahahahajahaajaj esl was always a joke
2020-09-01 14:20
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#126
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World WestSideDude
yeah GOAT tournament organizers are "a joke" for sure... you dumbhead
2020-09-01 15:17
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15 replies
#134
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Germany CALM_BAITER
get lost kid
2020-09-01 15:25
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14 replies
#135
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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World WestSideDude
yes, you are 12 y.o. 20iq kid
2020-09-01 15:29
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13 replies
#137
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Germany CALM_BAITER
Im probably double your age. Now get lost kid or I'll slap you.
2020-09-01 15:30
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12 replies
#139
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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World WestSideDude
shut up 12 y.o. 20iq kid. go play your barbie
2020-09-01 15:32
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11 replies
#141
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Germany CALM_BAITER
get lost kiddo
2020-09-01 15:35
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10 replies
#142
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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World WestSideDude
shut up 12 y.o. 20iq kiddo. go play your barbie
2020-09-01 15:35
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9 replies
#144
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Germany CALM_BAITER
very strong trash talk hahahahahaha. just proves you are not older than 13
2020-09-01 15:36
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8 replies
#145
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World WestSideDude
shut up kid, you have bird's brain. you f*cking annoying orange
2020-09-01 15:37
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7 replies
#146
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Germany CALM_BAITER
cya in in a month
2020-09-01 15:37
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6 replies
#147
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World WestSideDude
cya in 10
2020-09-01 15:39
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5 replies
#149
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Germany CALM_BAITER
nt ruski madkid
2020-09-01 15:40
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4 replies
#150
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World WestSideDude
ruski = shit, don't call me like that or i'll report you
2020-09-01 15:42
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3 replies
#154
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Germany CALM_BAITER
yes exactly what I said, ruski
2020-09-01 15:44
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#155
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World WestSideDude
reported for baiting
2020-09-01 15:45
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1 reply
#159
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Germany CALM_BAITER
fair enough
2020-09-01 15:47
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Legit weird that the coaches all get removed for using a bug, but every team abusing the jumpspotting bug in like 2017 is completely permissible
2020-09-01 14:22
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Ruski nazad
2020-09-01 14:26
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#90
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Brunei cyLoL
The players knew they are just as to blame.
2020-09-01 14:27
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#95
Faceit level 10  | 
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Poland SebL
He was a really bad coach anyway, and he has been using bugs which is not allowed, good decision by Hard Legion.
2020-09-01 14:32
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lol get fucked
2020-09-01 14:39
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This high and mighty bullshit from teams is ridiculously obvious attempt to only save face. "No we had no idea what was happening as our players got information that was not possible to otain by the coach". And the moon is made from cheese.
2020-09-01 14:40
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#152
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World WestSideDude
+1 lol
2020-09-01 15:43
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2020-09-01 14:43
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#105
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Ukraine BaP4uK
+zoner -zoner +zoner -zoner Nice:D
2020-09-01 14:44
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-1 hunden next
2020-09-01 14:46
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#110
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Ukraine ksay
fuck i hope hunden is still on the team he would be helpful even without his presence on the server
2020-09-01 14:48
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ye, for sure players didn't know and I'm Abraham Lincoln. Nice to meet you.
2020-09-01 14:53
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#143
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World WestSideDude
+1 players should be banned to. it would be fair
2020-09-01 15:36
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Hahaha ofc players didnt know why their Coach surprisingly knew some suspicious info No respect
2020-09-01 14:55
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#116
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United States n0bodya
how many times they gonna kick and add this guy lmfao
2020-09-01 14:55
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1 week later "actually he has a family to feed so we welcome back zoner as an analyst"
2020-09-01 15:10
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#118
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Finland PAA 4L.
ESL did everything properly. Hard Legion too. Cheaters must be punished as hard as possible. #NoCheatsNoCheaters
2020-09-01 15:00
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"ignoring the fact that the coach's hints turned out to be extremely correct". "it is very surprising that they [players] didn't realise something was wrong, considering this was abused at least 10 full maps". i don't know Rick
2020-09-01 15:14
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#125
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Czech Republic Hoja26
they definetely knew about it and they are gonna throw their coach under the bus
2020-09-01 15:16
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#127
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World WestSideDude
> Russians > always cheating (at everything) pick both
2020-09-01 15:17
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its so obvious that the players knew
2020-09-01 15:19
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#136
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World WestSideDude
+1 ESL should act harder. They should ban alll the players too.
2020-09-01 15:29
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1 reply
nah they should ban 322 first but they syck cocok😉
2020-09-01 15:51
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While its obvious, it cant be proven.
2020-09-01 15:46
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1 reply
I agree. but i think its weird that some people fully believe that the players didnt know
2020-09-01 20:49
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Deserved. I'm so happy
2020-09-01 15:46
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Remove hunden, cheat abuser in 10 rounds Doesn't deserve the respect he had Disgusting
2020-09-01 15:49
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2 replies
lmao they should ban them all maybe after that mibr will become top 1
2020-09-01 15:53
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#165
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Denmark DanishDelight
Why are all brazilians more busy pointing fingers at others, than talking about your own cheating shit team
2020-09-01 15:56
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#167
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Nigeria Soolwaren
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2020-09-01 16:02
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#168
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Denmark DanishDelight
Go away Russia, leave our Beautiful island of Bornholm alone
2020-09-01 16:04
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1 reply
#193
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World WestSideDude
+1 Russians = always cheaters at everything
2020-09-01 17:05
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#170
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Belgium IroNNNNNN
Guys, they are 4 on A, one is there, one there, another there and the 4th is there. "In the course of the proceedings with the coach and the players, we tend to believe that the coach did not inform anyone about the fact that he has an advantage in the game. The players continued to play fair, ignoring the fact that the coach's hints turned out to be extremely correct. We have no reason to believe that the players were aware of this "bug" in advance, so no sanctions on our part will be applied to the players."
2020-09-01 16:07
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0% chance he called it like this, would be way too obvious in case the comms get out. He would probably just call executes like normally, just incredibly well informed because of the free info.
2020-09-01 16:15
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#197
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Belgium IroNNNNNN
You really think he uses a bug in a tournament and they won't know in advance? He wouldn't have said it like this but if he told them beforehand about the bug and then goes: they are probably eco and stacking there, usually they are there, and there, ... It's the same thing just more subtile, of course he wouldn't say it like I said but it would be the sole purpose of WHAT he would be saying. And that's what I was going for.
2020-09-01 17:16
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why dont ban the roster which hide this thing???? stupid valve bs company as always
2020-09-01 16:08
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#174
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Russia v1p3rrr
lmao the entire team and maybe even the org itself should be banned, I can somehow believe that team "didn't know" their coach was cheating (in 9 MAPS LOL) but when another coach did the same thing - uh no, sorry.
2020-09-01 16:18
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HOW DID THEY EVEN FOUND OUT? Did they check every demo from every game from the last x months??? I hope they found a way to automate that shit. : D Or else the poor intern had to watch a lot of demos.
2020-09-01 16:41
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#178
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Germany BIG2020
yeah for sure the team is innocent.. like he used it to make him selfe some notes... not to give info to the team... pf.
2020-09-01 16:48
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#179
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Brazil serjolaum
now remove DEAD from mibr and disband the team GG
2020-09-01 16:51
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twitter.com/michau9_/status/130080433763.. yeah, players definetly didn't know about him using this bug "Guys, don't cover mid, trust me)."😎
2020-09-01 16:57
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#184
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Portugal skiLfuI
Punish the team aswell, no way they werent aware of it
2020-09-01 16:58
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Coach: doing it for the team. Team: knows Only coach gets punished
2020-09-01 16:59
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GODhunden
2020-09-01 17:03
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Why not the plyers - definatly they knew He was cheating
2020-09-01 17:09
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#225
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Sweden EYESTA
these clowns are trying to justify themselves by this action :)
2020-09-02 07:06
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#200
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Costa Rica Gomezio
This is what you do when someone cheats, MIBR. You don't whine, lie and post some BS irrelevant clip from a completely different tournament.
2020-09-01 17:26
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#224
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Sweden EYESTA
nt, but this team like others should be banned
2020-09-02 06:58
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Russian style)))
2020-09-02 07:30
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2020-09-02 16:39
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#235
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Portugal sennsei
From an interview to svyat from Dreameaters (now Hard Legion) during Starladder Major 2019 (with coach zoner), the interviewer asks: "Going into the NRG game, some people commented that it seemed that you played as if you knew what they were doing at all times. Did you put in a lot of work to anti-strat them for that game?" Could this bug have been used in the Majors?
2020-09-02 18:37
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