Rejin to serve ESIC ban; open to new challenges

11-11-2020 12:24

The 32-year-old wants to continue to work in esports and is willing to "discuss any options".

Former MOUZ coach Allan "⁠Rejin⁠" Petersen has announced that he will serve the 19.8-month ban handed by the Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) in September for abusing the spectator bug in official competitions. The Dane also expressed an interest in pursuing different avenues, not just in CS:GO, but esports in general.

On Twitter, Rejin revealed that he took the last two months to "assess my situation". He was suspended by MOUZ on September 5 after confessing to using the spectator bug during his time with Tricked and was released from his contract a month later. He announced then that he would not appeal against the ban.

Rejin wants to pursue other options in esports

According to the initial findings from ESIC's inquiry, Rejin used the bug in seven games between December 2017 and February 2019. He faced a 36-month ban for was deemed a tier-one aggravated sanction, but had a 45 per cent reduction after assisting in the investigation and providing a confession that was accepted in full.

Rejin joined MOUZ in April 2019 and guided the team to victories at DreamHack Open Tours, CS:GO Asia Championships, ESL Pro League Season 10 Finals, cs_summit 5 and ICE Challenge 2020. The German organisation has yet to name a replacement for him.

"I feel my knowledge is wide and can be used in many areas in esports and CS:GO," Rejin said. "I'm available to discuss any options".

rip, he deserves better

2020-11-11 12:25

76 replies

Cheater deserves better?

2020-11-11 12:28

73 replies

bruh everyone deserves a second chance

2020-11-11 12:28

56 replies

And he can get one in 20 Months Until then hes banned and rightfully so

2020-11-11 12:29

49 replies

stop being selfish, he has done great stuff in mousesports, and he definetely deserves a team he can call home

2020-11-11 12:30

36 replies

He has done great stuff thanks to cheating lmaooo

2020-11-11 12:38

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2020-11-11 12:49

2020-11-11 14:07

Ignorant He never cheated with mouz, it was with his former team. Stop acting so righteous as if you never make mistakes.

2020-11-12 04:39

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A mistake is pressing a button and accidentally making the bug appear once or twice. Using the bug in several games for the entire games is not a mistake, sorry.

2020-11-12 20:16

8 replies

Go home kid... You have much growing left to do.

2020-11-13 14:07

7 replies

Nice argument! You should practice that some more

2020-11-14 12:17

6 replies

That was not an argument. Go back to kindergarten, you have much learning left to do.

2020-11-14 13:29

5 replies

Defending a cheater and telling me to go back to kindergarten. You should work on your logic!

2020-11-16 17:28

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Your brain cells 404 not found Go back to kindergarten if you think I'm defending rejin. Don't bother replying, not interested in listening what a room temp has to say

2020-11-16 21:05

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"He never cheated with mouz, it was with his former team. Stop acting so righteous as if you never make mistakes." Ok, not defending him at all. Instead of insulting, just argue like a grown up or just agree to disagree.

2020-11-17 18:40

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Quoting my comment doesn't do anything. All I said was he didn't cheat with mouz, which is a fact. If you think that's defending, go back to kindergarten brainlet

2020-11-18 07:04

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No exactly, your comment was a poor attempt of defending him. It doesnt matter when he cheated. The fact is he did cheat. Do you think that if they just found out that forsaken cheated 2 years ago, that he shouldnt get banned aswell? Why do you keep insisting on this kindergarten? Is it a new word in your vocabulary? Time to grow up and realise you are out of your depth

2020-11-27 06:23

I'm selfish because I think cheaters should be punished for their actions? uhm ok

2020-11-11 13:26

16 replies

*bug users not cheaters don’t get a bug inside the game and a cheat which u got to download from fishy sites and then ADD to the game confused!

2020-11-11 14:17

15 replies

Cheater noun a person or thing that cheats. Cheat verb to violate rules or regulations Doesnt matter if he abused severe bugs to cheat or used cheating software, its against the rules and so its still cheating per definition

2020-11-11 15:26

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actally there is nothing in esl rule this bug abuse violated

2020-11-11 17:26

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you're actually a braindead liar gyazo.com/ecff5b0c13bdf3a69f9933e0b953c2..

2020-11-11 21:46

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where does it say its oke to ban coaches i meant ofc there is a section for bugs but it doesnt say much more than reducing prize money (not even in the part u clipped) ... but i read on it extinctively many chapter of esic and esl rulebook (uptodate on around end of september when the first bans came out) and nowhere it said u coulöd be banned for up to 2 years for abusing a bug

2020-11-11 22:06

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You're saying coaches aren't part of these teams then? They literally sit in game with them and talk to them. Also it's to their DISCRETION, MEANING IN ENGLISH, THAT THEY PUNISH THEM UP TO WHAT THEY DEEM IS FITTING FOR THE ABUSE. That's written there clearly. A rulebook doesn't have to say specifically that if XANTARES MATCH FIXES ON 12/1/2020 THEN HE GETS LIFE BAN, ONLY ON 12/1/2020 DOES HE GET LIFE BAN. Stop pretending like rules don't exist.

2020-11-11 22:10

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get me the source: for any term of banning coaches any term for "banning" for bug abuse (and extra: for 2 years) ofc they say they can add rules after an incident but thats as random and arbitrary as it could get

2020-11-11 22:15

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You're retarded, you're basically saying coaches can do whatever they want because it doesn't "SPECIFICALLY" say it in the rulebook. You're also pretending that coaches aren't part of the team. Stop existing on these forums and uninstall CSGO pls.

2020-11-11 22:20

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a rukle book is in place to guarantee fairness between players (ofc coaches included) and organisations and to uphold the integrity of the game .... it should be like irl if u find a loop whole u get through it without punishment and mybe the next one who tries gets punished because it was filled up this is the law if u havent known also ofc coaches are part of the team which is why i dont think they should be treated with less respect as the players

2020-11-11 22:59

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I mean at this point you just got to be trolling right?

2020-11-11 23:23

Using a bug that essentially gives you wallhack is not a loop hole lmfao. ESL made the rulebook and they have every right to interpret bug abuse as a form of cheating.

2020-11-12 09:08

Big fan talking about cheats LUL and saying that everyone should get banned who uses cheats/Bug, but probably forgot about Krakow Major where Big passed the group Stage only using Bug jump LuL 2020 is rlly worse then I expected.

2020-11-11 20:50

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You would literally have to ban every single pro team that existed during that time then if you went by that logic, actually moronic

2020-11-11 21:42

"abused severe bugs" Sure you could argue they should've been banned. I personally think at that time it was just part of the game mechanics and everyone knew about it so it was ok. That was even the ruling of valve at that major. I do understand if anyone thinks different about that though. Still I feel like its a very weak comparrison.

2020-11-11 23:19

Bug fan talking

2020-11-12 02:08

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#117

2020-11-12 08:49

It's selfish to suggest that someone should serve out the term of their ban before being granted a second chance??

2020-11-11 13:26

Stop trying to give Rejin special treatment because you like him

2020-11-11 14:06

-1

2020-11-11 14:40

youre the type of guy who cheats on his gf in her bed, gets caught and is like "it's not like it seems, please give me a second chance"

2020-11-11 14:41

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accurate

2020-11-11 16:11

he can find a new team to call home in 19.8 months

2020-11-11 15:10

And bc of a cs ban he cannot be a coach in other games or have a different position in esports? Lmfao ok

2020-11-11 12:32

8 replies

What's wrong with it? Why other games should accept cheater from CS?

2020-11-11 12:39

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Uh because he cheated years ago and has had a clean record ever since? Im fairly certain his experience far overshadows the ban

2020-11-11 13:06

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So cheating and trying to get away with it is fine? and 2019 is so many yearS ago? This guy is 32, he isn't a moron. Intentionally cheating in 7 different games and you're saying he doesn't even deserve the ban because of experience. You write a lot of moronic shit and this is definitely on the lower tier.

2020-11-11 21:52

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Did i fucking say he dont deserve the ban? No. Please learn to read lmfao. I said that if a team in another game wants him as a coach or he ends up getting a different job in esports then he can. He is banned from coaching in cs. He wont be a cs coach so he is allowed to get the job.

2020-11-11 22:03

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"his experience far overshadows the ban" I guess English isn't your forte then. A ban should be crossed, you're saying I can just cheat in CSGO but go to valorant instead because I only cheated in CSGO? The reality of life is that he can do that because they don't have much authority to enforce those bans, but he definitely deserves it, cheating not once but 7 times doesn't overshadow shit, he can play whatever he wants after he serves his ban.

2020-11-11 22:06

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Yes since he doesnt have a valorant ban he can go and coach a valorant team. And the teams will probs take him even tho he has a cs ban.

2020-11-11 22:13

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I don't know whether they will take him, but my point stands, he deserves the ban 100%. If experience can overshadow 7 individual cases of abuse on the same bug then I don't think we even need a rulebook anymore.

2020-11-11 22:16

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What i meant by that is. The non cs orgs will def be discussin if they should or should not get him due to the ban, but his experience will probs be a bigger factor in the decision.

2020-11-11 22:20

that is exactly how it should work

2020-11-11 13:37

2020-11-11 14:09

thats a true

2020-11-11 15:43

KQLY deserved a second chance

2020-11-11 12:35

5 replies

not the same situation

2020-11-11 12:35

3 replies

yeah, you prolly never liked that guy

2020-11-11 12:39

But you said everyone deserve a second chance? #17

2020-11-11 13:23

1 reply

lmao

2020-11-11 19:26

Forsaken deserves another chance too!

2020-11-11 12:58

The question is whether he "created" that glitch or just simply used it

2020-11-11 12:42

15 replies

He used the glitch to win rounds for his team

2020-11-11 13:00

14 replies

You didn't get me... Did he actually somehow inicialize the bug to use on purpose, or did he simply use the opportunity?

2020-11-11 13:03

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+1 this bug should have been fixed by Valve but instead they deny that it was their fault and ban coaches for more than a year

2020-11-11 15:07

Other coaches had the bug and refused to use it, the ESL rulebook literally says any intentional use of a bug or glitch is forbidden. That's not an "opportunity", that's him abusing something. Not once, but 7 times, do you think that was just coincidence?

2020-11-11 21:54

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I didn't say that he's innocent, I just asked whether he simply used it, or inicialised that bug. Because that changes a lot.

2020-11-12 07:26

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What do you mean? The bug was random and you didn't always get it, how do you INICIALISE it. The only thing that matters is that he used it. Other people got the bug and immediately tried to fix it, told the admins, etc. Others just decided to abuse the bug and say nothing. You don't make any sense whatsoever

2020-11-12 10:09

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Duuuude, there apparently was a way to purposely create it... maybe you should actually know stuff before speaking your opinion...

2020-11-12 10:13

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Not sure if he did or not, but he didnt disconnect when it happened. He used the bug to win plenty of games for his team. It is cheating no matter if he did it on purpose or if it happened by accident.

2020-11-12 17:55

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Not denying that at all, but let me show an example: Sometimes while playing CSGO a smoke bug can appear - the bug when you see the background behind the smoke. It happens to you and you simply shoot your opponent through smoke. Now compare this with deleting your smoke files so that you can always see through them. In the end, the result is the same, but the means are the exact opposite. He did use a glitch, but the question is whether he created that glitch on purpose or just used the opportunity

2020-11-12 18:29

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Yes there is a difference there. But rejin used it for like a shitload of full games, its not like it happened for 1 kill or even 1 round. He used the bug to win entire games.

2020-11-12 18:45

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Let me explain it in a different way; Which one is worse: - using that glitch on random multiple times or -using that glitch ones and creating it on purpose

2020-11-12 18:47

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Cheating is cheating no matter if one way is worse than the other. He already got his punishment reduced. Jamppi got banned for LIFE from competitions for buying a vac banned account and he is obviously not cheating. Rejin is still coming back after 20 months. What is more fair?

2020-11-12 18:51

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"Jamppi got banned for LIFE from competitions for buying a vac banned account" Y'know... there was more claims of that situation - that he sold his account to his friend who got banned later on.

2020-11-12 19:59

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But Jamppi himself has never cheated, or atleast there is no proof of this. Rejin cheated several times and is not getting a lifetime ban.

2020-11-12 20:18

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But that's what I was asking; if any coach actually created that bug on a purpose, then they should be perma-banned. Sorry regarding Jamppi, but I ain't buying his story. He most likely messed around with cheats for fun and now he's paying for it a bit too much. Simply unluko

2020-11-12 20:28

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2020-11-11 12:38

-1

2020-11-11 19:45

yes

2020-11-11 12:25

"The Dane also expressed an interest in pursuing different avenues, not just in CS:GO, but esports in general." To VaLULrant he goes

2020-11-11 12:27

23 replies

Where he would make more than many CS:GO pros because its a bubble with insanely high stock value. Oh no what a shame!!

2020-11-11 12:30

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It's actually a myth that wages in general are much higher. Only a few pro's make more than in CSGO. Most earn 3-5k/month. source: sportskeeda.com/esports/valorant-initial..

2020-11-11 12:41

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twitter.com/esportsobserved/status/12809.. What? You link something that directly counters what you say above

2020-11-11 12:42

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It says TEAM, for the whole team. Learn to read the entire article. "An amount of 15-25K a month for a single team would roughly translate into 3-5K per member and it may not seem like much at first glance. "

2020-11-11 12:43

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"considerably more" Now look at every coach that transitioned from CS:GO, theyre either coaching a top team like chet or part of a top team like gob b. Plus like the article says this is before the supposed league, before massive tournaments that would increase exposure greatly, etc

2020-11-11 12:46

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Well, is there a league yet? And like the article states, some earn considerably more. Please stop proving you can't read or comprehend an article.

2020-11-11 12:47

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Right theres not, which means salaries will increase greatly. Seems like your the one who didnt read the article, or my comment. Rejin would easily earn salaries comparable to what he earns in CS

2020-11-11 12:48

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I mean that is all speculation but i guess u can use them as facts...

2020-11-11 16:33

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If you had any idea how much chet was making. NRG Esports CEO’s Hector Rodriguez and Andy Miller spoke about entering Valorant a few weeks ago on the NRG Duo podcast. They spoke about how Valorant was currently too expensive to enter with player salaries being upwards of $30,000 a month. Another issue NRG had with entering the scene was the talent that was being picked up. Many teams had already been fleshed out already with big names from CS:GO. dailyesports.gg/nrg-esports-enters-valor..

2020-11-11 18:30

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Do u have any idea how much chet is making?

2020-11-11 23:24

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Surely competitive to CS:GO coaching wages (10k) as he had plenty of offers. Players are making the same amount on top teams/orgs, why wouldnt coaches. Maybe try some critical thought

2020-11-12 12:46

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See you couldn't win the first argument so you brought up coaches, which I am not even talking about in the first place. Maybe try not to strawman your argument and take the L.

2020-11-12 14:34

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Yawn bro you have no argument, youve brought up 0 relevant facts. Maybe actually have the argument instead of complaining and deflecting. Pretty hard to win vs a brick wall

2020-11-14 08:03

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You're the one who mentioned player salaries, you lost that argument by me providing proof. Then you bring up two big name coaches who are obviously going to be paid well compared to no-name cs'ers who accomplished fuck all like Dazed. Just put up your white flag, you're good at that. Debates aren't your thing and that's fine.

2020-11-14 12:44

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Uhh cause the argument is about coaches, Rejin is indeed a coach, why the fuck are you talking about Dazed, moron?

2020-11-14 15:03

lol #143

2020-11-14 05:19

5 replies

Yawn no argument andy back packing off a moron get lost

2020-11-14 08:03

4 replies

Everything u have said is assumptions...u know what they call people who assume right?

2020-11-15 02:51

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Assumptions based on extremely common trends in esports

2020-11-15 18:43

2 replies

And still assumptions that u are trying to pass on as fact...

2020-11-16 08:28

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No, see im just having a discussion based on whats LIKELY to happen. Its not fact its just the most likely outcome based on previous trends. This entire conversation is speculative because 0% of us actually know the full details. Its impossible to not speculate on the topic if you want to discuss it. But thanks for being difficult and avoiding the discussion because you have nothing relevant to say :)

2020-11-16 12:59

No pros make more than t1 csgo pros. A few valorant pros( the absolute top end) make 30k which is the salary of a good cs pro. The top end of cs is much higher.

2020-11-12 04:43

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No its not, the top end of CS:GO is like 50k and thats players like S1mple. Doubt zywoo is even making that much cause hes still so young. Average tier 1 CS:GO pro makes 20-25k including all the Astralis players

2020-11-12 12:45

who cars

2020-11-11 12:25

1 reply

I car, Riders should get him as a analyst!

2020-11-11 12:27

Stay banned and stay away from game cheater

2020-11-11 12:25

4 replies

xaxaxa

2020-11-11 12:27

cry is expensive, it takes energy and time

2020-11-11 12:35

Forsaken fan lul

2020-11-11 13:10

1 reply

u got baited men

2020-11-11 16:16

cancelled

2020-11-11 12:26

got ban, because game is in beta. Ok.

2020-11-11 12:26

see ya in valorant [*]

2020-11-11 12:27

A very honorable responce! I wish you the best of luck Rejin!

2020-11-11 12:27

Took him a long time to accept it

2020-11-11 12:30

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bait title

2020-11-11 12:35

He did accept it in October, but only now has he said that he is going to serve it. I've changed the title to make it more accurate

2020-11-11 13:13

1 reply

I see. Thank you!

2020-11-11 13:13

Sadge

2020-11-11 12:32

in b4 rejin joining Team Liquid or G2 as a coach in valorant

2020-11-11 12:32

1 reply

liquid and g2 already have a coach in valorant

2020-11-11 20:45

just be an analyst lol

2020-11-11 12:42

UNBAN FORSAKEN GIEFF SECOND CHANCE HE MAKE SMOLL MISTAKE AND U PUNICA FOR LIFE

2020-11-11 12:54

give someone one chance , we are human can make one mistakes.

2020-11-11 12:58

2 replies

how about zoneR /s

2020-11-11 13:38

He made 7 mistakes

2020-11-11 21:56

Go get a job at a hotdog stand...

2020-11-11 13:00

To be honest, I don't understand why this org called 'ESIC' has rights to give punishments for YEARS. This is a bug that hasn't been fixed for years, i believe that using ANY features of the game is legal.

2020-11-11 13:04

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I don't really agree. A feature of the game (which I think originated from a bug) is run boost. I don't think they intended to create the run boost, but everyone knows about it, so they left it there. Or anything like this, which everyone is aware of it and doesn't affect the game in a critical way. Anything else, I don't consider to be a feature. What if only a tier 3 team knew about this exploit and used it to win a major. Would you be happy to know that a rookie team won just because they used a powerful "feature"? And since most of the coaches used it and didn't report it, and possibly also won prizes in money, you can't disqualify them from a past event, neither you can ask them to give back the money and give them to who? Can you know who would have won if it weren't for the exploit? For example, when fnatic used that controversial pixel-bug, they withdrew from the event, so the event could continue as if they lost. But in this case, a ban seems suitable for me. And it also establish some rules and laws, like, if you discover a weird bug, report it instead of using it. That' seems very fair. It's like doping in sports. Just because you discovered a new undetected drug doesn't absolve you from using it to win. And regarding ESIC, that's their job. To keep the game clean and fair. They can ban whoever they want from their competitions if they consider it beneficial. Noone stops Rejin to continue being a coach for mouse, but he cannot participate in their competition anymore, therefore no reason to keep him in the org and pay him for nothing.

2020-11-11 14:24

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>It's like doping in sports. Just because you discovered a new >undetected drug doesn't absolve you from using it to win. This is also a very controversial issue, what is considered as 'doping'. ALL top athletes use pharmacology for training and recovery. What the best athletes use to win today can be declared as doping tomorrow.

2020-11-11 14:27

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Yeah, I know it's not the best example, but it's hard to find an example from real world to match esports. After all, games are just some code, so it's very likely to find bugs. It's impossible for devs to know all the bugs and fix them, so they rely on the community to help them. And if you can't rely on the professional part of the game to report them, then how can you create a fair environment for competitions? This all summarises to "don't do something that you wouldn't want done to you". If you want everyone to play fair, so do you. If you are a professional, then make sure to report bugs publicly as soon as you found them, otherwise you are not honorable.

2020-11-11 14:37

It's just part of the rules, if you see somebodies wallet in front of you does that mean you just take it? These coach bugs are the same, thrown in front of them, you either take it and cheat with it, or you don't and have some integrity. The fact they made an organization to actually give a fuck about people who are abusing everything in this game is a good thing, also many rulebooks specifically don't allow INTENTIONAL USE of bugs or glitches. There are very specific circumstances where it doesn't apply, but these coaches literally had to made the decision to keep the bug and cheat with it. Imagine not having regulations like that in normal sports? It would be everybody trying to abuse shit.

2020-11-11 22:00

7 games is just way to much, he sort of cheated, he should get away from CS.

2020-11-11 13:28

FeelsBadMan but he deserves it

2020-11-11 13:39

cheater

2020-11-11 13:44

Off to valorant with him like the rest of the has-beens and cheaters

2020-11-11 13:57

He deserves nothing, such a freaking newbie.

2020-11-11 13:57

Analyst for example or academy worker

2020-11-11 14:33

hahaha loser

2020-11-11 14:36

3 replies

name checks out

2020-11-11 15:19

2 replies

do you like it

2020-11-11 15:22

1 reply

YEP

2020-11-11 18:12

ForZe Rejin incoming

2020-11-11 15:31

He has a second chance, in 19.8 months. Stop saying he deserve second chance lol. He didn't get perma banned.

2020-11-11 16:00

no wonder Mouz won events

2020-11-11 16:18

Gief brax 2nd chance preese!!!

2020-11-11 16:35

He isn't known for anything special. I dunno for what position a clan would need him.

2020-11-11 17:05

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+1 I only knew about this guy beacuse he's banned.

2020-11-11 17:32

Rejin is a good coach and did a good job at Tricked. Can't fault his mousesports influence either. Even in Denmark who has pretty good coaches, this guy is considered a pretty decent coach worth hiring. Rejin is a good coach by all measures. But the guy needs to accept and serve his ban. I have no respect for Heroic keeping HUNDEN on their payroll and have him hired until he has served his ban (fun fact: Rejin was found guilty of exploting the bug when he was coach of Tricked. When his IGL was named HUNDEN).

2020-11-11 19:14

Sorry mate. Take your ban and come back when it's served. We don't need you around before that.

2020-11-11 19:08

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+1 I'm all for second chances, but this cheat needs to serve his ban first.

2020-11-11 19:55

This community just confuses me, the same people who would love to publically hang cheating/match-fixing players defends coaches for abusing a bug that gave them a wallhack on steroids. The hypocrisy is just insane.

2020-11-12 15:31