Expert take: What to do with the M4A1-S? (ft. ropz, ALEX, Plopski)

The silenced rifle has come to dominate the meta since Valve's big balance update six months ago. What are the ramifications and what should be done?

On September 22 of last year, CS:GO received an update that altered the fan-favorite Dust2, nerfed the iconic Deagle, and changed the way utility has worked since the game's inception. Somewhat surprisingly, it is none of those adjustments, but the one to the M4A1-S that remains a hot topic, even six months later.

What was noted simply as "Increased body damage" in the patch notes translated into a huge change in the competitive meta as the $200 cheaper, silenced version of the main CT rifle became capable of taking down enemies with just four body shots at almost any distance — where you would need five with the M4A4.

ropz, ALEX, and Plopski shared their thoughts on the gun

Looking at the statistics, the M4A1-S accounts for 22.9% of all kills made since the change, while the M4A4 represents less than 2.5%, falling behind the MP9 in usage. There is no doubt that the M4A1-S is now the dominant CT rifle, but what should be done about it?

We asked three pro players to give us insight on the current state of things, how it affected the meta, and what they think could be done to solve the issue.

ropz: "Firstly, we should figure out if it really is a problem"

When asked about what the problem with the M4A1-S is, the IEM Katowice champion Robin "⁠ropz⁠" Kool pulled back to explain that he isn't sure the weapon's current form should be labeled as an issue.

"The M4A1-S is very imbalanced compared to the M4A4. But then again, it used to be the M4A4 meta for a long, long time. So for me, it's kind of hard to decide whether it’s an actual issue or if it's a good thing to have a shift towards the other M4 every once in a while." ropz admitted he was a M4A1-S denier at first, having played with the M4 at IEM Fall, but swapped after realizing just how overpowered it is.

ropz sees no big issues with the current M4A1-S

"I would say that the effect the M4A1-S has on the meta is positive. I think CT sides should be more dominant and teams who get more rounds as T will be rewarded for their good play and strats," the Estonian said. He added that another benefit is that the buffed rifle makes it easier to play against force buys since "it takes four bullets to defeat armored opponents and it's also possible to buy it more often after pistol rounds."

So, what should be changed? Well, perhaps nothing, ropz argues. "I think firstly we should figure out if it really is a problem. Right now it feels to me like it's a way to keep the game changing and have something refreshing every once in a while. It seems the game will never have a major update that will change the picture completely or turn the meta upside down, so it feels alright to have periods like this where there is a slight balance in guns or changes in the map pool. The M4s have never really been equal to my knowledge and it seems like Valve has always made one of them superior to the other at different times."

However, if the goal would be to balance out the two guns to have them used to a similar extent, the FaZe star thinks the time to kill should be looked at. "The current damage output of the M4A1-S is simply way better than the M4A4, to me that is the biggest difference between the two. That sold it for me when I switched, that I could down people with four body shots. I guess that would be the issue when comparing it to the M4A4. If Valve wanted to make them equal, then, in my opinion, they should make it so killing a player in the body takes an equal amount of time."

ALEX: "It lowers the skill required to get multi-kills but I don't see it as an issue"

Similarly to ropz, Alex "⁠ALEX⁠" McMeekin doesn't think the current state of the M4A1-S is necessarily bad, despite it lowering the skill ceiling, as he notes different interesting ways the change impacted the CT and T playstyles.

"I think that it's easy to get a multi-kill without needing a headshot with the M4A1-S, it lowers the skill required to get multi-kills but I don’t see it as an issue, it's just different. Before it really felt like you needed an instant headshot to allow yourself time to transfer onto the second player as you needed five bullets to kill," ALEX says, stressing that the difference between needing four and five bullets to kill makes a world of difference.

The M4A1-S makes CTs less reliant on flashes and one-ways, ALEX thinks

"CTs are much more confident and willing to take fights now, the same feeling as during the AUG meta. Probably the most overpowered part of the M4A1-S is the fact that it's silenced, allowing you to shoot through smokes without tracers or noise and to surprise the second T if they haven’t seen you since they have no idea where you’re shooting from."

"I can't really say that it’s better or worse, it’s different and I like small changes or metas like this," ALEX says, explaining that it reverses the CT and T roles in a way. "Before, Ts were able to be more individually minded, look for fights that they probably shouldn't whereas CTs had to be more tactical about how to approach fights, mostly using flashes or one-way smokes to take a fight." In his opinion, the M4A1-S buff leveled the playing field. "CTs have the freedom to take more individual fights now whereas Ts still have that option with the one-shot kill from the AK, but most of the time I see more teamplay from Ts now since they know the percentages have changed."

ALEX thinks balancing the two M4s is a challenge, but his idea would be to make each good for different things.

"I'd probably make both M4s equal in fire rate, keep the extra damage on the M4A1-S but change the number of bullets from 25 to maybe 20 or 22, and change from 75 extra bullets to 50 or 60, meaning you have to choose between the power of the silencer to get you the first kill +1, or the multi-kill potential of the M4A4." He thinks that would make players have to really consider what gun they want to play with, with anchors leaning towards the A4 and the rotator and aggressive players going for the A1-S. "It would add another dimension for viewers also, seeing players swap M4s depending on what situation they are going to put themselves into."

Plopski: "The current M4A1-S has affected the meta in a negative way"

Unlike his colleagues, Nicolas "⁠Plopski⁠" Gonzalez Zamora clearly stated his disliking for the M4A1-S buff, noting how it is better than the A4 in too many ways. "The current issue with the M4A1-S is that it is both cheaper and does more damage to the body than the M4A4. And not only that but it's also silenced, making it better to shoot through smokes and wallbang because people won't see the bullet tracers." In conclusion, it leaves no reason for the M4A4 to be used, as both the economy and the deadliness are in favor of the A1-S.

Plopski would like to see the M4A4 become viable again

As a result, the meta has been significantly affected, the Ninjas in Pyjamas player argues. "Just from looking at the statistics, we can see that the M4A1-S has affected the meta in a way of making almost all maps slightly more CT sided than before. Now the CTs can have more buy rounds since the gun is cheaper and it's also just a very good gun. So in my opinion the current M4A1-S has affected the meta in a negative way."

To balance things out, Plopski's first option is to lower the ammo count along with a slight price change. "In my opinion, they could keep the damage of the M4A1-S but reduce magazine to 20 bullets and up the price to $3000." Alternatively, the damage could be reverted to pre-patch levels, with buffs in other areas. "The other change could be to reduce the damage to how it was before but up the magazine to 30 bullets and keep the same price. Either way, I think the way it is now is too overpowered and needs a change whether that is reducing bullets, reducing damage, or upping the price."

United Kingdom Alex 'ALEX' McMeekin
Alex 'ALEX' McMeekin
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
1149
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.71
Estonia Robin 'ropz' Kool
Robin 'ropz' Kool
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.12
Maps played:
1063
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.62
Sweden Nicolas 'Plopski' Gonzalez Zamora
Nicolas 'Plopski' Gonzalez Zamora
Age:
19
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
971
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
sheesh
2022-03-28 14:15
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#55
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Ukraine I_say_Ok
where is striker's expert take ?????
2022-03-28 14:58
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#165
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Scotland B1son
i was surprised that plopski was the one who lined up with most other people out there. most hltv mens think the m4's just need a price swap and that will be fine, and focus on the price, rather than propose a more risky rework as both alex and ropz think is the solution. that being said 20 bullets only does scare me.
2022-03-28 18:49
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#174
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10  | 
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Poland Prince_PKS
20 bullets scare me as well. Just increase the price to $3000 and it will be good
2022-03-28 19:34
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5 replies
Buff the Krieg ffs. That weapon is unusable since 2019
2022-04-07 07:58
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4 replies
nah, just make it 2800, so its at least viable
2022-04-07 17:44
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3 replies
Buff revolver and make it scoped.
2022-04-20 08:39
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2 replies
HAHHAHHAHHAHAHHHHHHAAHAHHAHHHAHAHHHHAHAH
2022-04-20 11:52
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xD
2022-04-25 10:39
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#175
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Oceania xJ7
when the m4a1s came out, we played with an op version similar to this one but with 20 bullets and 40 extra bullets. It was fine. It just stops you from spamming smokes.
2022-03-28 19:45
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20 bullets was how it used to be... but it feels so long ago that that was the case. But increased damage and a silencer vs extra bullets is much more of a difficult choice I'd say. Price swapping could be experimented with too. Would the extra stats of the A1-S be worth the $200 more?
2022-03-28 19:48
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#247
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Slovakia abnorse
price swap would be great IMO. They always try to find the way how to blance it so players won't use one of them like 90% and then 10% will use the other weapon. With price swap they will need to decide either to have M4A4 with 30 bullets and flash with it or lets say you can but it earlier in the match or you will have better gun M4A1-S but you will need to pay more. Right now its just stupid to have better gun for less and even if there is somebody who wants to use M4A4 just because he likes it even if its worse he needs to even pay more...
2022-03-30 17:26
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20 bullets is so scary i already find my self low on ammo after a multi kill but with that being said the gun damage isn't the problem the reason maps became more ct sided because ct economy was trash before so now cts can have a rifle sooner before forces had to be famas which is basically trash deg is better than that now teams can a1 and like a couple of of nades or no nades
2022-03-31 00:22
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mp9 more kills than a4 sheesh!
2022-03-28 15:15
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#168
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Scotland B1son
mp9 is super strong right now, a pretty popular eco buy so doesn't surprise me with the ct economy so low
2022-03-28 18:57
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JUST MAKE THE PRICE SAME ON BOTH = 2900
2022-03-28 15:35
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10 replies
That would make it even more CT sided
2022-03-28 15:54
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3 replies
how so? and just make better tactics and you can win on t side 16-0
2022-03-28 17:57
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2 replies
"just be better 4Head"
2022-03-29 06:29
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I guarantee you've never won or you're never going to win 16-0 on T.
2022-04-07 16:50
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3000 would be better
2022-03-28 16:09
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3100 for both, all maps got more ct sided with the m4a1 buff, if valve buffs or lowers the price of the m4a4 some maps are gonna be too strong for cts and the less teams will pick them. Remeber when almost nobody picked nuke? People werent playing it even as a 3rd map. Also, did you play any match on train after the m4a1 buff? I know its not on the map pool but its a good example of a ct favourable map becoming a torture for terrorists.
2022-03-28 18:29
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#169
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Scotland B1son
swap the prices maybe?? m4a4 truthers stay chillin
2022-03-28 18:58
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3 replies
agreed. if m4a1s is "better" than m4a4, the m4a1s should cost more, not less.
2022-03-28 22:56
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#273
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United States DarkFX
That sounds like the logical solution. Better guns should cost more money $
2022-04-17 23:43
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Maybe "30 vs 25 bullets" is considerer a greater advantage over at Valve hence pricing?
2022-04-18 17:37
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ratio
2022-03-28 18:36
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2 replies
+1
2022-03-28 18:43
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+1
2022-03-28 18:44
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buff the m4a4 instead
2022-03-28 14:15
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17 replies
Would literally fix every problem, CT would need more skill to kill but the game would be more CT sided so Ts would prep more on the T side
2022-03-28 14:34
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That wouldnt solve anything
2022-03-28 14:36
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#32
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Hungary YoloKutya
game’s already too ct sided
2022-03-28 14:36
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would argue that it's more related to a combination utility + map layout + AK-47 in hands of CTs rather than the m4a1-s being strong if you're looking at the weapons stats from the past 12 months the AWP + AK-47 dominate the amount of kills compared to the m4s and other weapons not to mention that the economy in first few rounds are heavily in favor of the T side Edit: checked it for LAN and it seems that AK still dominates the m4a1-s by around 10% AWP significantly less but expected since it's a more expensive investment + it's not good in certain maps
2022-03-28 15:40
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The A1-S buff is less than 12 months old
2022-03-28 18:40
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6 replies
even if you're checking data from 6 or 3 months ago (both LAN/online) the AK dominates by around 10%+
2022-03-28 22:44
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But compare that to pre A1-S buff. Yes the AK is still a better weapon than both M4s, BUT the gap is closer with the A1-S than it was with the A4. This results in a further shift in favor of the CT side. EVERY map is more CT sided than it was before the buff
2022-03-28 22:50
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I looked at the LAN stats of 2021 and 2022; only Nuke and Ancient had a significant CT win% increase while inferno and mirage had a very slight increase (~1%) Meanwhile dust 2, overpass and vertigo had slight decreases to the CT side (although for dust 2 it's probably more related to the map change + 2022 has a smaller sample size) Even then I think it's more related to the map design + utility why some maps are incredibly CT sided (ancient has a lot of corridors where CTs can take control of while both Nuke and Ancient have very tight paths so one molly is enough to take control of an area) I do think that the m4a1 needs some nerf but it has to be minor (2900 to 3100 price) while the m4a4 needs a buff (either same damage or some price decrease) On the other hand having a few CT sided maps isn't that bad I would say (it's also nowhere as bad as old Nuke in 2014-2015)
2022-03-29 11:48
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There are problems using 2021 LAN events as a filter, because for one the majority of LAN events in 2021 were played AFTER the update thanks to the pandemic (326 maps before update, 821 maps after it). The correct split is this: hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2021-01-01.. hltv.org/stats/maps?startDate=2021-09-21.. You can see every map saw a boost in CT winning %: Inferno: 45.4% -> 53.4% (+8.0%) D2: 49.5% -> 57.2% (+7.7%) Overpass: 50.8% -> 56.2% (+5.4%) Nuke: 52% -> 56.3% (+4.3%) Mirage: 52.1% -> 54.5% (+2.4%) Vertigo: 51.1% -> 53.3% (+2.2%) You can brush up D2 to the map change (and the fact that it's played way less often than it used to), but the rest? An obvious shift across the board in favor of the CT side
2022-03-29 19:14
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Also I'm not talking about maps being inherently CT sided; that can't be helped. I'm talking about maps becoming MORE CT sided than they used to be. Before the update Inferno and D2 were pretty even, or maybe even a little bit T-sided. Now they are both firmly CT sided. Maps that used to be closer to 50/50 are more CT sided. And this, of course, DESPITE the economy weighing heavily in favor of the T side. A lot of T side rounds won are due to the CTs having inferior weapons or them saving in the slightest disadvantage. CTs often won't even try to retake unless they have a numerical advantage or enough money banked for future rounds to risk a retake they aren't favored to win
2022-03-29 19:25
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#258
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Other b3rg0n1k
game design should favor CTs because game mechanics heavily favor Ts. the game is the best when it's slightly ct sided and that's the case now. You can still win heavily on the T side if you fuck their economy and that's how it should be.
2022-04-03 01:26
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#89
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Norway Nibzter
it really isnt tho, it is only aincient that is above 55% ct sided in all the mappool for the last 12 months, if you think that makes the game too ct sided you dont know what you are talking about.
2022-03-28 15:38
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#157
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Hungary YoloKutya
where’s that data from? In pro games mirage nuke and overpass also have 55%+ CT winrates Edit: since the update of course
2022-03-28 18:37
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Why are you looking at the last 12 months when the A1-S buff was done by the end of September 2021? One thing is clear, the CT win rates have increased across the board on all maps since the update
2022-03-28 18:46
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#188
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Europe Khanan
I agree, CT side is dominant on every map, you rarely see T side win and its usually because the other team is simply better.
2022-03-28 20:44
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#72
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Pakistan yuhflowyuh
that would just make it even more ct sided
2022-03-28 15:15
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#118
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Romania DDSkidrow
+1
2022-03-28 16:31
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just make the damage of the A1-S to 36 from 38 and make A4 2900 ez
2022-03-28 14:16
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#17
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Poland msfalif404
It's make more op men
2022-03-28 14:25
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6 replies
huh?
2022-03-28 14:43
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nvm i read only number, i tought increase from 36 to 38
2022-03-28 17:01
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#122
Faceit level 5  | 
m0NESY | 
England [SLITHER]
huh?
2022-03-28 16:49
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2 replies
2022-03-28 17:01
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#203
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m0NESY | 
England [SLITHER]
no worries mate, it happens. cheers
2022-03-28 22:00
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huh?
2022-03-28 17:26
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+1
2022-03-28 14:38
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#45
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Germany Hoansz
why don't we make Russia stronger and all other countries more weak then? Really interesting theory
2022-03-28 14:44
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4 replies
Russia stronk already, just need Tsar bomba
2022-03-28 14:45
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3 replies
Dj Blyatman will make it happen
2022-03-28 21:17
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2 replies
Oppa blyat
2022-03-29 10:42
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Dj Dolbaeop
2022-04-20 03:17
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+1. I think the buff was an okay idea, it was just too much, as valve always does.
2022-03-29 10:11
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1 reply
ye, valve has a bad rep of balancing stuff from TF2, dota to csgo
2022-03-29 10:14
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#4
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Romania xypperz
ok
2022-03-28 14:16
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I see only one expert
2022-03-28 14:17
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#18
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Poland msfalif404
i don't see flamie there
2022-03-28 14:25
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1 reply
lmfao
2022-03-28 17:21
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that's what I said lol
2022-03-28 14:27
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#51
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Czech Republic JameS_19
If you mean ropz then I agree
2022-03-28 14:52
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#56
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
Aleksib | 
Poland m9xddxd
plopski gives me those "reddit experts" vibes, he doesnt quite know what he wants imo the only realistic way to make both m4s be used 50/50 of the time is to make them both available at the same time; literally just add another slot in the buy menu
2022-03-28 14:58
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#58
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
Aleksib | 
Poland m9xddxd
alternatively I'm all in for the return of the old 2015, quick firing, 20/40 bullets m4a1s with complete disregard for the m4a4 users, since we all know the silencer is and has always been superior
2022-03-28 15:00
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but if u add it to menu. that means that everyone will just mow down ecos with m4a4 and buys m4a1 next. if ct has 2 good rifles, t should too
2022-03-28 15:03
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#67
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
Aleksib | 
Poland m9xddxd
I see no problem in that and whilst I believe that the AK is enough for the Ts, Valve could definitely resurrect the krieg so that it's at least fun to use (make it shoot at least 600rpm unscoped (m4a1s speed) and then something close to what ot is now scoped in)
2022-03-28 15:10
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Remove silencer
2022-03-28 16:48
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#130
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
Aleksib | 
Poland m9xddxd
remove yourself from this discussion((
2022-03-28 17:03
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2 replies
Why shouldn't you be able to punish smoke spamming?
2022-03-29 00:19
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#220
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
Aleksib | 
Poland m9xddxd
smokes are not walls
2022-03-29 02:44
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agreed +swap the prices
2022-03-28 15:33
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ALEX AND ROPZ BAD TAKE
2022-03-28 14:18
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#76
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Other KittyVN
+1
2022-03-28 15:21
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Ropz and Alex enjoy playing 11-4 ct sides huh 🤔
2022-03-28 14:18
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#111
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Romania DDSkidrow
yes they skip t sides and play only on the ct side
2022-03-28 16:28
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Yeah, since their teams always relied on CT side, haha.
2022-03-29 03:55
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just add that you can see the tracers when shooting or revert the damage and were gucci
2022-03-28 14:19
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2 replies
Or swap the prices and even add another $100 to the S
2022-03-28 21:29
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honestly i dont think its enough in its current state
2022-03-28 21:44
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finally got used to the a1-s, please don't change anything lol
2022-03-28 14:19
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#77
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Other KittyVN
How do u need so long to get used to it lol. It's pretty much the easiest gun to use
2022-03-28 15:22
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2 replies
Idk, although the A4 has more recoil, I could spray much more accurately with it until recently
2022-03-28 15:31
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#143
Faceit level 5  | 
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Estonia Kakapepu
this is the main reason i still use the A4, it is more similar to the ak spray that i am very used to.
2022-03-28 18:06
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#10
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Slovakia Daev0n
remove silencer but keep the sound
2022-03-28 14:20
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1 reply
Exactly, start with small changes and see the effect.
2022-03-28 14:27
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#11
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Finland krep
I agree with ropz and ALEX 👍
2022-03-28 14:20
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Expert take: ALEX and Plopski xaxaxaxaxa
2022-03-28 14:21
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12 replies
why are you laughing in russian....?
2022-03-28 14:32
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11 replies
cant he?
2022-03-28 14:43
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9 replies
He's brazilian, he should be laughing with j:s, not with x:s
2022-03-28 14:45
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8 replies
k:s**
2022-03-28 14:50
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7 replies
oh, is is the spaniards who are laughing with j:s?
2022-03-28 15:09
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6 replies
yes
2022-03-28 15:24
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5 replies
good to know, i want my laugh-facts straight , so thank you!
2022-03-28 16:04
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4 replies
Do all swedes use haha:s or just the Stockholm ones?
2022-03-28 16:07
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All swedes use haha:s as far as i know. There's no other letter that can make that sound other than h
2022-03-28 16:13
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Sj kind of does, doesn't it? Even if it sounds a little goofy
2022-03-28 16:25
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#263
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United Kingdom Veracious
Sjahaxajaka
2022-04-04 19:27
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because I'm free, I can laugh the way I want
2022-03-28 17:04
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#13
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United Kingdom Tseden
Just make every gun one shot to body,problem fixed
2022-03-28 14:21
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number 1 expert take based
2022-03-28 16:22
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#264
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United Kingdom Veracious
super based take from Tseden
2022-04-04 19:27
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#14
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India psn46
Lol. Imagine that youtube guy find out this website and starts spamming m4a1-s is overpowered and c sgo devs dont care about balance lul.
2022-03-28 14:24
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xaxaxaxax hltv mods will take care of him
2022-03-28 14:35
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lmao
2022-03-28 14:53
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he's made his way on twitter now xaxaxaxaxa
2022-03-28 15:00
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he tried but didnt work cause ez report xd
2022-03-28 15:12
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lol that guy would be really tempted in this topic haha
2022-04-07 05:44
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#15
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Greece Arba_
i think the price makes this more unbalance, it should go the same price with the A4
2022-03-28 14:24
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#19
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Asia ILHY
Hahahah thats why Alex love it because he has low skills
2022-03-28 14:25
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#62
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Lithuania arres
Have you even read what he said?
2022-03-28 15:03
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It's funny you say that because ALEX, similarly to ropz, has to play both sides of the game. If they want the a1 to be OP, they say it with the knowledge of playing with and against it. People just seem to care about either side, but ALEX makes actually a fair point, he mentions the importance of a strong CT weapon as it forces Ts to be creative and have teamwork. Remember the Colt in 1.6? it was pretty op, yet people loved the game. Ts need to be the creative ones, make setups and find a way into the site. That being said, yes, it does benefit ALEX because he is clearly not a fragging IGL, but he is a smart IGL with good midrounds. So it certainly gives him more value as a player. It also explains why karrigan, another low fragging but good midround calling IGL managed to win an event as getting T-rounds isn't as easy as just having good fraggers anymore.
2022-03-28 16:28
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#189
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Europe Khanan
Exactly the buffed m4a1 is just the colt from CS 1.6, they can remove the M4A4 now, it’s not needed anymore.
2022-03-28 20:51
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#270
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World Kobs
no they should just swap prices
2022-04-17 22:50
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#272
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Europe Khanan
They should just buff the m4a4 or make m4a1s weaker again.
2022-04-17 23:26
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I agree with plopski about how overpowered the gun is and I think alex gave a really good solution for it. I agree with ropz that the ct sides should be dominant and Ts should be rewarded for their good strats and teamwork. Really good insight overall!! +1
2022-03-28 14:26
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3 replies
U agree with both contradicting ideas lol
2022-03-28 21:13
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2 replies
I agree with you and i think he also has a good take
2022-03-28 21:19
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The thing is I agreed with plopski the gun is overpowered but I didnt say i want it to be completely nerfed. What I liked about alex is he suggested to balance the gun instead ofmaking it useless. And about ropz's statement, I only agree with ts being rewarded for their good strats and that can only happen if maps arect sided. I get it that it might sound contradictory but I dont agree with either of them completely, only the parts of it.
2022-03-29 09:50
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dont touch it
2022-03-28 14:28
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Why it is a mess? 1. It kills so fast 2. almost 0 recoil makes it extremely forgivable for movement or spray control mistakes. 3. when laser gun instakills you and you cant even tell where bullets come from it makes t side trading impossible in certain Situations. Atleast when cts had aug you had a possibility to trade, now trading is very hard cause in chaotic site takes you wont able to locate enemy instantly. Its just stupid.
2022-03-28 14:31
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#26
ropz | 
India psn46
I have seen silvers tapping heads while running, spraying using m4a1-s. Shit.
2022-03-28 14:33
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8 replies
Even before buff it was favorite gun of low level players cause it have 0 recoil.
2022-03-28 14:34
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6 replies
We should also take into consideration the fact that most players are low level players, the game shouldn't just be balanced around pro players and Faceit lvl 10 players
2022-03-28 18:57
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5 replies
There is p90 for noobs, but atleast it didnt do a lot of damage like M4S
2022-03-28 19:00
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#186
Faceit level 10  | 
HeavyGod | 
Zimbabwe santanazin
What? thats like saying COD should buff all guns to where its a 2 shot and the reasoning behind it would be because of “low level players” you cant ruin a game because people are bad at the game or just simply not good enough yet
2022-03-28 20:37
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2 replies
Depends on the game. But you absolutely cannot (or should not) base all balancing decisions on 1% of the playerbase
2022-03-28 20:59
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Bad take. 100% best decision to balance around the highest level of the game
2022-03-28 21:31
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#199
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Europe Khanan
Wrong the game should always be balanced around good players, hahahaha you’re so funny dude
2022-03-28 21:30
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#250
Faceit level 10  | 
Denmark zerm999
Tapping heads while spraying? Huh?
2022-03-31 11:11
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+11111111111111111
2022-03-28 14:39
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#34
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Czech Republic DaniDM
Just switch the price tags? Literally the easiest option
2022-03-28 14:38
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#35
Faceit level 9  | 
sjokz | 
Poland Tony12PL
Change price M4A4 to 2900 🤷‍♂️
2022-03-28 14:38
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3 replies
How about keeping it at 3100 but giving it a low/mid range headshot instakill on helmet?
2022-03-28 16:30
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I like this alot. Too complex of a balance for valve but personally I love it , good idea mens!
2022-03-28 18:09
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No, thanks. It would make games even more CT sided than the current meta
2022-03-28 18:58
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I opened this topic so quickly because I thought it was good Alex... But im disapointed
2022-03-28 14:41
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1 reply
Who is the other one?
2022-03-28 21:19
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I just bought an a1-s skin yesterday, don't change shit
2022-03-28 14:42
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#78
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Other KittyVN
I bought a bunch of m4a4 skins cause they are cheap as shit. Gonna be rich once they rebalance again
2022-03-28 15:24
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2 replies
I sold one just before they buffed the a1, price dropped like 60%, insane really...
2022-03-28 16:30
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#132
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Other KittyVN
yep i sold my m4a1s skins that i still had. some went up around twice the amount they were before also xD
2022-03-28 17:05
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expert take t. professeur
2022-03-28 14:42
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playing the game doesn't make you an expert on how to balance the game...
2022-03-28 14:43
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#42
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
china | 
Brazil ginga do maroto
yes
2022-03-28 14:43
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the most no skill gun in the game literally no recoil
2022-03-28 14:44
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#50
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Russia armando_o
make this gun semi auto, like 1 click -1bullet, also add dmg to this for balance, like i duno 47dmg or mb 50 for bullet in body and 100 in head but not on eny range...or mb make this gun like famas in alternative fire or smthng..
2022-03-28 14:51
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bring krieg meta back
2022-03-28 14:53
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you mean bring AUGpocalypse
2022-03-28 15:00
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Agree with Plopski, you give the economy or you give the damage boost to ct side, but as it is now, makes all the maps too ct sided when is better to see more balanced maps where T can win more rounds, since T rounds are more dynamic and aggro.
2022-03-28 14:55
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#60
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Chad Journalism
I do think the game being super T-sided sucks. You'll never see retakes when the CT weapons are expensive af, the economy is awful and walking into a choke point is impossible. So yeah, not against the A1 being op. Maybe buffing the A4 would be a good idea instead of nerfing the A1...
2022-03-28 15:00
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The silencer is a good thing for that reason, but it is way too op rn. Maybe, they could show some bullet tracers, reduce the recoil / the mag, something like that. I agree weapons should be cheaper and more easy to use on ct sides
2022-03-28 15:11
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#95
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Chad Journalism
If there's anything I'd nerf it'd be the rate of fire and just very slightly. That way you can at least duel with an m4a1 with an AK. Currently you just gotta come out and headshot or win through teamwork. In pro-play that's fine, for the average casual it sucks ass. And the nerf being slight enough so that the m4a1 can still win but isn't as strong as it currently is... It would make smoke spamming more interesting, you're less likely to just insta-die but the suppression would last about a second or two longer.
2022-03-28 15:57
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#85
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Sweden Wick_xD
Yeah i don't think the A1-S is op per se, but it shouldn't be objectively better than the A4 whilst also being the cheaper option
2022-03-28 15:35
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#94
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Chad Journalism
The silencer is op, the weapon is fine.
2022-03-28 15:54
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ropz GOATED take
2022-03-28 15:02
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#63
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
china | 
Brazil ginga do maroto
valve = experts players = players plopski = gen z
2022-03-28 15:03
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#70
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Canada p1peb0mb
Why is plopski is an expert
2022-03-28 15:14
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#75
tory | 
Asia Xen0on
XD THATS MY QUESTION TOO
2022-03-28 15:21
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Switch the prices around. While CT economy definitely needed a buff, I think it is boring that only one gun is actually viable
2022-03-28 15:15
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wtf u doing here then? there has always been only one viable choice for m4 since day 1.
2022-03-30 10:25
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and why do you think there needs to be only one?
2022-03-31 12:14
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just bring back the old aug, old krieg and old a1s. Ts have op scoped gun, Cts have op scoped gun - everyone happy
2022-03-28 15:17
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Isnt it possible to make a small nudge on the weapon. Like slightly harder spray pattern or 0,2 secs slower to shoot the first 4 bullets ? Imo its more entertaining so see more weapons bein used!
2022-03-28 15:29
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>expert take >no striker not worth reading
2022-03-28 15:36
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Remove tracers from all guns, problem solved.
2022-03-28 15:37
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For Valve it's not just making the game balanced but also finding the right balance for different people, or weighing different player groups I guess. For pros this meta might be fine but the point about teamwork having to make up for it on T side doesn't really apply for lower ranks. Metas always impact different levels differently and you can't make it perfect for everyone, finding the right balance is hard
2022-03-28 15:38
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#117
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England Mattthematt
Any esports tittle should be balance only at the pro level because pros are really looking for anything that’ll give them a slight margin. They’re operating at 99% efficiency so if a gun is 2% better that’s an edge that they’ll take, then everyone uses it and it dominates the meta. Any player below pro level should look at their own gameplay before looking to the meta.
2022-03-28 16:30
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+1
2022-04-03 01:03
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TLDR?
2022-03-28 15:41
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2 replies
Ropz: Goood Alex: Good Plopski : nerf
2022-03-28 15:58
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1 reply
Thanks
2022-03-28 15:59
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#92
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
World A_Momo
If they nerf the a1 again, they need to fix the stupid deagle. Too many ecos are being one by random one tap. As long as the deagle is that strong, the a1 needs to stay. Reduce the damn recoil on the krieg and give the t's an other weapon to use outisde the ak.
2022-03-28 15:48
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#99
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Australia bsharp)
krieg is still usable and you forgot galil for 1800
2022-03-28 15:59
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#141
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Chad kdorek
Deag is lowkey garbage after its nerf. Sure, some rounds still happen because of 1-deags, but use the weapon yourself for a while and that low percentage doesn't make up for how bad it feels to use it up close. Just compare it with a five seven or a tec9 in any mid to close range engagement.
2022-03-28 17:47
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For the Ts just try to do smth similar on the krieg like early days Valorant's guardian, single tap machine (obviously, with the actual price or a bit cheaper)
2022-03-28 18:47
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#100
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States jschleg
so some people just want to use the a4 because they are used to it is all i’m reading. no one used the m4a1s before and no one seemed to make cry threads about it
2022-03-28 16:00
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#101
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
jks | 
Germany PickupArtist
why are people crying over the m4a1? it never was a problem , when m4a4 was the meta noone cried about nerfing m4a1, but now all of a sudden since everyone play it people crying left and right smh, the only change to m4a1 was it got lowered to 2900$ instead of 3100$, they can revert that, but that is it! no nerf etc needed just cry babys beeing crybabys >.<
2022-03-28 16:01
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why are you trolling? even if you didn't know they changed it from taking 5 body shots to kill to 4, it clearly states so in the article. you either knew that and still made that comment or you didn't read the article and you don't actually play the game. if that's the case, what's the point of posting?
2022-03-28 18:10
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Read the article, that isn't the only change. The biggest was the increase in damage, which resulted in 4 body shots to kill, not 5. Don't lie to try to make your opinion look valid. And if you're not lying, then read the article and know what you're talking about before making a comment.
2022-03-28 18:15
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#185
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
jks | 
Germany PickupArtist
well im honest i didnt read it , but still noone played it before m and people cry because its like a lasergun even tho it was always like that so for me my point stands
2022-03-28 20:22
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The M4A4 is more similar to the AK than the M4A1-S is to the AK, so the strengths and weaknesses were similar across both teams. If you wanted to be different before you could use the A1-S which had it's pros and cons and was honestly to me a fair trade because of the lower skill ceiling it had being a laser. I also saw both guns being used though the A4 more so. Now it is 100% the A1-s being used unless someone wants to use their A4 skin instead.
2022-03-29 04:14
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#187
Faceit level 10  | 
HeavyGod | 
Zimbabwe santanazin
Bro what? are you being retarted on purpose? The gun is a 4 shot anywhere, the A4 was never a 4 shot and it was 5 shot kill. It had tracers and actual recoil vs the A1S that doesn't have any tracers and being silenced which means they can spam smoke without any punishment and it's cheaper, I swear people like you need to be banned from hltv lol
2022-03-28 20:43
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#194
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
jks | 
Germany PickupArtist
are you retarded? it was always like this that it has no tracers , dont act like it got changed much, just cuz everyone is playing with it , keep crying about a gun wwho some people never switched for the a4. "like you need to be banned from hltv" you created ur account this year , i think enough said right?
2022-03-28 21:17
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#226
Faceit level 10  | 
HeavyGod | 
Zimbabwe santanazin
Youre from germany, enough said. The gun was never like this smooth brain, It was never a 4 shot, it never had 25 bullets in a mag, it never was 2900, it never had such little recoil dumbass. Please dont play the game if you think the gun is balanced LOL
2022-03-29 06:29
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#235
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
jks | 
Germany PickupArtist
im registered since 2014 i think i know better na bot stop typing cuz u know im right
2022-03-29 11:36
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#236
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
jks | 
Germany PickupArtist
Signed up 2022-01-25, godamn monkey
2022-03-29 11:37
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1 reply
#252
Faceit level 10  | 
HeavyGod | 
Zimbabwe santanazin
No bitches? Must be a shame that you get no female interactions, living in your moms basement
2022-04-02 07:34
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#259
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Other b3rg0n1k
a1 was pretty much always 2900 other than a short amount of time, maybe 1-2 years??? you ok, ape? a1 is ok, the only problem is that a4 is and always was shit. it should be made 2900 and maybe change a1 to 3100. this way they are balanced and good. however, i prefer a1 with higher fire rate and 5 shots to the body, cuz it requires more skill and it's still a fair fight against the ak47.
2022-04-03 01:40
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#260
Faceit level 10  | 
HeavyGod | 
Zimbabwe santanazin
it was 2900 for like a year before 2020 and that was around 2013-2015 for a couple months and if you actually read there were commas implying it was all in one. It was never 2900 while being a 4 shot + all i said before. Changing prices wont do anything, the a1s will still inevitably be better since its better in every category except magazine count
2022-04-03 04:24
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#261
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Other b3rg0n1k
it will be better in every category except for the mag, ttk when hs and the most important one, the economy. so yes, they are balanced, ape. also, no. you literally said that the gun was never 2900 PERIOD. it was 2900 when it was put into the game, then made 3100 and then put back to 2900. I don't have to look it up cuz i was playing the game back then. You should do some research tho. Also, the gun was better than now when it was 2900 untill 2015
2022-04-03 12:12
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#102
cyx | 
Denmark VojenZ
Lower bullets to 20 pr. mag, and same cost: 3200$ as M4.
2022-03-28 16:02
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I would say they just need adjust the prices, the way like they cost now makes zero sense
2022-03-28 16:03
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>expert >ALEX LMAO i shit my pants
2022-03-28 16:17
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#183
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India pranavlko
did you change your pants
2022-03-28 20:07
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#112
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Portugal PTMONSTER
M4a1-s 3000€ i think its a good option, or even stay at 2900 but with less bullets, just 1 of the things.
2022-03-28 16:28
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Plopski cry
2022-03-28 16:28
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#119
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Italy cele87
M4 silenced Is in meta, but how many pro playif with that gun? Not all of them, then why wanna Nerf It?
2022-03-28 16:34
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lower bullets to 20 and swap prices.
2022-03-28 16:57
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1 reply
+1
2022-03-28 16:59
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"keep the damage of the M4A1-S but reduce magazine to 20 bullets and up the price to $3000" ez fix
2022-03-28 16:59
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I thinks Plopskis idea is good. Making the 2 M4 have different specialites maybe would make having 1 - 2 A4 players a good thing
2022-03-28 16:59
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Just make the a4 2900
2022-03-28 17:01
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Plopski an ‘expert’ lmao guys about to be cut and likely never be on a relevant team again.
2022-03-28 17:16
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#134
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North America Flightive
buff krieg, then awp a1s and krieg will all b op and then T side = ct side
2022-03-28 17:17
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It would be interesting to see 2019 Kreig vs this A1s
2022-03-28 17:22
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Dear plopski, sorry, NiP has no meta.
2022-03-28 17:44
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valve always do right way
2022-03-28 17:45
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#150
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Taiwan bg77777
Now I have to decide which one I use 🤔 M4A1-S or M4A4
2022-03-28 18:17
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i rlly like a1s tbh feels a lot better than the m4 to me idk
2022-03-28 18:18
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funny how none of them addressed the fact a1 is basically a laser gun and even a silver would be able to easily hit 4 body shots from any range. krieg was kinda interesting in that respect because unscoped the pattern was somewhat "hard", but scoped it was as easy as other rifles long range, and easier than other rifles at mid range. spray patterns get overlooked when balancing in favor of TTK (either damage, fire rate or both). what they could do is make weapons with shorter TTK have harder spray patterns and weapons with longer TTK easier spray patterns. that would increase the skill ceiling for the stronger guns and reward people for mastering them. they won't do that though. the average casual would rather switch to cod or valorant or whatever is hip nowadays, instead of trying to git gud.
2022-03-28 18:19
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ALEX: "It lowers the skill required to get multi-kills but I don't see it as an issue" At least he admits he's trash
2022-03-28 18:32
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1 reply
+1
2022-03-28 18:52
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Easiest fix is swap the prices. Make the M4A1-S more expensive as it's better. Very simple fix that will force some people to buy m4a4 when they need that extra flashbang
2022-03-28 18:33
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silenced weapons are really annoying and feel so stupid to play against. It's so annoying to tell where you're being shot from unless you like giving yourself hearing damage, and people abuse the smoke spams way too much, there's nothing you can do against it either. CT's just roll the dice on spams and get lots of really unskilled, unfun kills because of this gun. What they should do is reverse the 4 bullet thing, make it 4 for the a4, 2900$, and 5 for the a1s but add tracers to it or reduce total number of clips. Maybe only 50 bullets in reserve so you can't spam like a madman.
2022-03-28 18:49
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#172
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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United States BGS
Man I have been using the a1-s exclusively since it had 20 bullets. Just do what Plopski said as I had no issues with the gun at 20. Then again I aim for the head with the gun because of when it was 20. Ammo was precious ha.
2022-03-28 19:17
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#180
Faceit level 8  | 
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United States illusi0n[1g]
What's up BGS? Long time no see brother
2022-03-28 20:04
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Plopski is the "m4a1s is overpowered and csgo devs don't care..." guy confirmed
2022-03-28 19:53
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#179
Faceit level 8  | 
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United States illusi0n[1g]
I love the m4a1s keep it the way it is~
2022-03-28 20:03
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#181
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Brazil Pitzera
I strongly disagree with Ropz and Alex "I think CT sides should be more dominant" Terrorists having to save without entering a bomb side shouldn't be happening this frequently. It sucks to watch TS losing the first two duels and saving. "It lowers the skill required to get multi-kills but I don't see it as an issue" I do think multikills should be skill required and not just sitting in a corner holding mouse1. "Most of the time I see more teamplay from Ts now since they know the percentages have changed" Most of the time I'm seeing 11-4 CT sides, and that on pro level where it should have insane team play. But CSGO is a computer gamer before being an esport, and if at pro teamplay level it is happening, than in mm it's ridiculous
2022-03-28 20:04
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Make less bullets in A1S so that Apex couldn't shoot through smokes on Inferno all day long and make 3000$ M4A4
2022-03-28 20:06
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#184
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Europe SQNNY
plopski - not more pg!
2022-03-28 20:10
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#193
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United States cybonics
I like Alex's take
2022-03-28 21:15
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Make it one gun again and allow us to switch back and forth like in 1.6.
2022-03-28 21:44
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#204
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Norway saMMYy
Make the tracers visible through smokes and it aint op anymore. CT's at current meta can spam a smoke without really getting punished for it, which is stupid and boring.
2022-03-28 22:07
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#205
sh1ro | 
Philippines euzu
I'm thinking of just keeping the A1-S the same but buffing the A4's ROF for a much more aggressive tagging potential, maybe swap their prices along with this change.
2022-03-28 22:15
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all these opinions are stupid. learn to play around it since ak47 is 1 shot hs. crybaby "pro" players. noone cares.
2022-03-28 22:41
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Nice article.
2022-03-28 22:47
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#211
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Brazil hugoooo
Plopski gave the worst idea I have ever heard in my entire life.
2022-03-28 23:56
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I've been using M4s way before The Buff, in my opinion what makes it better its The precision at long range and The price, IF they put it 3100 and less precise at long ranges, but Keeping The damage, ppl would use both m4 almost 50/50. What makes The game ct nowadays its The utility drop not The Guns.
2022-03-29 00:08
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2 replies
the guns absolutely do make the game more ct-sided in both pro and casual play
2022-03-29 00:35
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Bro, m4s its kinda broken rn, but the utility drop makes some bombs, specially Inferno B, Mirage B and nuke ramp, able to play solo but with 2 mollys, 2 smokes. Basically u have 6 players on ct, cause one of them is phisically on one bomb and his utilities on the other.
2022-03-29 00:43
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#214
Olga | 
South America klis
pew pew pew (silent)
2022-03-29 00:24
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m4a1 = 3100 m4a4 = 2700
2022-03-29 00:34
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#218
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Vietnam andy_
Plopski L take
2022-03-29 01:24
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a1s 20/40 bullets like old times a4 +rate fire same price would be interesting
2022-03-29 01:53
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#221
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India slavloli
They should keep this meta till major. Let teams adapt and counter this beast by playing methodical T side(like ropz said). Making CSGO even better as a spectator game.
2022-03-29 02:59
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damage buff was not needed with a1s just give it a grenade launcher or make it kill the player every time you right click with it, easy.
2022-03-29 03:06
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#227
b1t | 
India Mr_UNX
Keep 25 bullets and price same as m4a4
2022-03-29 08:28
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Alex Expert Pick one lol
2022-03-29 09:32
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ofc botski says that
2022-03-29 10:18
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#234
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Sweden tristanx
just swap prices between a1 and a4
2022-03-29 10:49
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"anchors leaning towards the A4 and the rotator and aggressive players going for the A1-S" couldn't agree more.
2022-03-29 12:42
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M4a1 = 3000$ or make it to 20 bullets with 2900$ M4a4 = lower price to 2900$
2022-03-29 13:14
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It just doesn't make sence when the better M4 is the cheaper one. They should switch the price tags
2022-03-29 14:23
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The M4A1-s is clearly the strongest of the two M4's, but I would argue that it's not really overpowered. I still don't see T's picking up an M4A1 in favour of an AK, while the opposite is generally true for the CT's. You shouldn't have to balance the M4's against each other, but against the AK. That being said, if you want to balance them against each other, I'd go the route ALEX is taking. Keep the prices on both M4's, but slightly nerf the A1-s to 20/60 bullets, and decrease the price of them A4 to be on par with the the A1-s, both at 2900. That should be sufficient to give people the choice of their preferred gun depending on how they like to play. This change slightly nerfs the CT-side and thus seems like a small, solid 'fix'. I personally wouldn't make the guns more expensive than 2900, because the one thing that sucks for the CT's already is the economy and I don't like the idea of making the thing that's already bad, feel even worse. By design CS:GO is always going to be slightly CT-sided unless you try to make it T-sided. If CS were T-sided, especially right now, it would be a shit experience. Imagine having to save 10 rounds every half. That would be a fun time for everyone, right?! Instead of trying to nerf the guns and such, I'd look at map-design to try and balance it out more. Even without it, on the pro-level, certain teams can do a really good job on the T-side of maps that would otherwise be considered CT-sided. I personally like this trend. If someone actually wins a T-side, you know that they've had an impressive half.
2022-03-29 14:33
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You take ak over m4 cause 1tap noggen which allows you to be extra ratty on CT. It's this extra tactical space that gives ak advantage, time to kill is in favor of m4.
2022-04-02 10:30
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But then the AK is more powerful than the M4 right? One-taps are valued more than the time-to-kill, thus AK is preferred, thus AK is better.
2022-04-02 14:55
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Different tactical profiles. m4s lets u play the meta better aka spamming smokes. Win rounds based on a bad spam is not legit.
2022-04-02 15:17
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But then why would the vast majority of the pro's pick up an AK any time over an M4. The 'tactical profile' given by the AK is then just better? That's what I would define as the gun being better. The Negev also has an optimal 'tactical profile' that is different from the other guns, but you don't see it being used, because it's a shit one.
2022-04-02 15:25
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in the most crucial round, you will misclick removing the silencer, or your bullets will run out
2022-03-29 19:10
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The game is too CT SIDED because of the m4a1-s, i don't think they need to change anything but bring the KRIEG back so this way make the game more balanced.
2022-03-29 19:26
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#262
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Sweden Flukey
Just make the silenced slightly more expensive and m4a4 slightly cheaper now you got economic incentive. i like the m4a4 but why buy it when the silenced is better for like the same money lol
2022-04-03 18:32
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#269
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Portugal nci_on
Lower A4 to $2900. Lower A1S damage to the same as the A4 While the A1S will still being better, the A4 will be similar enough that you won't be at a huge disadvantage choosing it. And the ridiculous body damage won't be a problem anymore. Why did they even increase the body damage on a weapon that is a complete laser is something I can't understand. Rewarding aiming for the body? Cool cool cool
2022-04-10 23:44
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#271
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World Kobs
cs go always need a broken weapon , why? for noobs to frag
2022-04-17 22:51
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increase m4a1-s bullets to 30 like ak 47 ak47 has 30 bullets and one head shot kill with helmet or without helmet
2022-04-22 17:24
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