apEX: "The level of CS at the end of the season is never the best, but everyone is fighting"

Vitality head into a rematch with HEROIC from the IEM Rio grand final looking to go three for three at the end of the season.

Vitality have reached their third consecutive grand final at the BLAST Premier Spring Final and now look to finish the season with a third consecutive trophy, facing off against HEROIC in the title decider on Sunday.

Key decisions late in the Nuke decider won Vitality the G2 series

The team around Dan "⁠apEX⁠" Madesclaire made it through to the final after edging out G2 in a three-map series that came down to a close finish on Nuke, where some key stacks on the CT side won Vitality the match despite Mathieu "⁠ZywOo⁠" Herbaut having an off game.

apEX gave an interview to HLTV following the semi-final, discussing the Nuke finish and his difficulties dealing with an on-fire Nikola "⁠NiKo⁠" Kovač, and the upcoming title decider.

This Nuke was one of those maps where ZywOo was missing, but you made up for it with what looked like amazing reads towards the end. There was the forcebuy you won with an upper stack, then the 14-12 stack on ramp. You just seemed to know what was happening there - can you tell me about the reads you made towards the end of the game and what made it go in your favor?

I think we had some information, like when we saw huNter killing Spinx under, we were like, okay, we have to overrotate and go ramp because we had to make a gamble at some point. That's why we overrotated ramp. Thank god we had the good read and that's what matters.

Yeah, that was a really tough Nuke, not gonna lie. ZywOo, dupreeh, and me had a really bad T side, but what's important is that ZywOo and me stepped up on the second side to help the team to win and I think that's really important for us, to not rely only on ZywOo. I think he has had his worst tournament this year, probably, but we are still in the final, so that's what is really important for us to have these equal players that can step up at any moment. Spinx and Magisk were really insane on the T side, and maybe tomorrow it's gonna be the other way, so that's what is really good for the team right now.

You seemed to be having a tough time dealing with NiKo in yard, how was it, trying to deal with that?

He did a lot of Juan Deags, classic NiKo. It's the end of the season, I'm kinda tired today and we did a lot of mistakes on the CT side, I got caught lot outside, like three or four times, ZywOo as well. I think the level of CS at the end of the season is never the best, but everyone is fighting, and that's what is really beautiful, it goes to crazy rounds. That's what spectators love. Obviously, NiKo was pretty insane today, but it's good that we countered him.

Losing the Anubis streak is maybe not gonna matter in this upcoming final, because Heroic don't play the map, but is that something that played on your mind?

Not really, I think we played pretty bad this Anubis. We were not calm and the communication was a bit off and we made pretty bad decisions. I think we were a bit lost, but what is important is that the last time we lost a playoff map was against Cloud9 in Rio, and when we went outside we were a bit lost because it's been a while since we lost a playoff game. So we just talked together that now we just need to show character from the team, that we need to bounce back from that. We had a pretty good idea of how they play on Inferno, so we were really prepared for that, I think it showed.

We knew they had a plan if they want to play against us on Nuke, the last map, when we had a 10-0 streak. We expected a plan, we countered it a little bit, but we lost some shit rounds, clutch situations, but it's CS. I think overall that was a really nice best-of-three.

Tell me about Heroic, it's a rematch from the Rio final, where it was pretty close, and it's been pretty back and forth between you in terms of series this year. What are you expecting from this final?

Without a doubt the two best teams of 2023, even though Heroic haven't won a tournament yet they have been really consistent in the game. They had really good mental fortitude today, because after almost choking a big lead they came back, and that's really important for them. I expect a good game, it's always really nice to mindgame each other, and I really want us to finish on a high note and win this tournament. Winning three tournaments in a row would make us without a doubt the best team in the world, no argument. I think we already are anyway, even if we lose the final, because we made three finals in a row, winning two at least, so I think we are the best team, but now let's see how it goes.

What have you been making of Heroic's jokes and the mindset they've set for themselves, saying they're going to lose in the semi-finals, the final... What do you make of that?

I think they're trying to find a way to win a tournament this year, I think. I think they are just trying this to put some pressure off of their shoulders. It's never easy when a team is waiting for you, they said it, they've been playing amazingly sometimes and in some other tough moments they've been playing worse. So I think it's just a joke and you just want to see that, I think they just want to put some pressure off their shoulders, as I said, and nothing much else.

France Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Mathieu 'ZywOo' Herbaut
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.27
Maps played:
1165
KPR:
0.84
DPR:
0.61
France Dan 'apEX' Madesclaire
Dan 'apEX' Madesclaire
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
2146
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.70
Bosnia and Herzegovina Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Nikola 'NiKo' Kovač
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.15
Maps played:
1744
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.67
#1
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India shoom123
Cool
2023-06-11 05:07
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Apex: this seasons suck competitively 1iq csgo fans: we are in the most competitive season !!!!!
2023-06-11 05:21
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France Gabenjaa
you didn't undertood well what he said then
2023-06-11 05:52
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+1
2023-06-11 10:42
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Apex said the end of the season level is not as high I think you’ve gone a little off the deep end tbh
2023-06-11 06:06
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Romania garcea89
Apex: APEX: "THE LEVEL OF CS AT THE END OF THE SEASON IS NEVER THE BEST, BUT EVERYONE IS FIGHTING" 1iq csgo reader(hater): everything that vitality zywoo zonic,dupreeh,magisk won in their career is fake and messi+ronaldo = frauds...
2023-06-11 06:30
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this lmao who are these people
2023-06-11 11:31
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Ronaldo kinda fraud tbh Messi goat
2023-06-11 12:28
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Rope
2023-06-11 11:21
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2 replies
lol
2023-06-11 11:37
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friendliest Linux user
2023-06-11 15:49
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With this level of ESL, one would think the next Pro League season started already..
2023-06-11 15:38
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Depends on what your definition of competitive is. If competitive means having the top dogs always duke it out and having close games, fair. The other definition is having "t1" teams play t2 teams and occasionally lose showing more competition but not a higher quality of.
2023-06-11 21:53
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United States Draik
its so free
2023-06-11 05:07
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4 replies
+1 another free win for vitality
2023-06-11 05:29
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2 replies
??? Xd lul
2023-06-12 08:52
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1 reply
frfr hard to win when 3 bots play on same team
2023-06-12 08:59
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+1 so free for xi wu
2023-06-11 06:27
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apEX not even good mid season, how can he speak like this?
2023-06-11 06:56
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7 replies
How is he winning tournament if he's bad?
2023-06-11 09:01
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4 replies
Look at the other teams I mean he is right, but he has been bad all season
2023-06-11 09:46
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France DrenZ
Since the Paris Major announcement he has been everything but bad until they won it. He clearly stepped up, the guy won two majors 8 years appart, a random like you had nothing on him.
2023-06-11 10:20
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Latvia kArnyje
+1 Well said
2023-06-11 11:31
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he has been pretty good since the start of the year
2023-06-11 20:27
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apEX always good wdym
2023-06-11 11:52
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Wtf Apex stepped up massively in their run to the major win. In terms of calling AND fragging! I don't get this bs about every igl or player. He is bad , this one is shit, that is shit. From people who never played higher than Faceit lvl 4 and think that every team needs 5 insane fraggers who go 25+ every game.
2023-06-11 14:53
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NiKo | 
Canada swagcrazy
apex must think its the end of the season 365 days a year
2023-06-11 07:48
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apex bot
2023-06-11 08:19
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Start of the season it's bad cuz they are rusty and not warmed up End of the season it's bad cuz they are tired When is it ever good? When can we watch good cs? 1 month a year?
2023-06-11 08:32
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Australia jd4ddy
Cs was stable up until astralis and liquid had their little cat fight
2023-06-11 09:22
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Poland n3on_
The only correct comment here. I just dont understand when are we going to watch solid tier 1 gameplay? Those days are gone. You know it is super bad when teams like heroic is playing on the imperial's level
2023-06-11 11:06
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bro, tier 1 gameplay is when the best teams are playing currently. they are the closest thing to optimised counter strike there is with the current meta. if you can't recognise tier 1 CS, that's your own problem :D
2023-06-11 11:35
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Poland n3on_
Imperial are pugging and are still able to beat vitality and have a close fight with heroic. Unacceptable earlier now it is a norm.
2023-06-11 12:12
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lmao, you are probably lvl 5-6 faceit talking about pro games "iMperIal pUgGinG"
2023-06-11 12:49
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funny how "pugging" almost wins against Heroic, arguably the most tactically sound team right now. they're obviously not just pugging
2023-06-11 13:38
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France Telt
+1 Look at the gameplay, not the teams and names. Even the 2018 Astralis lineup wouldn't dominate in the current meta.
2023-06-11 13:33
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France Uexo
Let's go apEX <3
2023-06-11 09:21
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France Uexo
Nice ! Another one
2023-06-11 09:22
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Love you apEX
2023-06-11 09:57
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What is it with the french and excuses
2023-06-11 10:11
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excuses for winning? can they be called excuses if you win?
2023-06-11 10:15
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prepping up against the heroic game!
2023-06-11 10:32
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bookmarked
2023-06-11 11:36
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Get rekt 😂
2023-06-12 08:46
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I take the L :D
2023-06-16 18:23
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Men of honor 🤝
2023-06-16 22:11
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Based <3
2023-06-17 01:01
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+1 as usual apEX takes the cake. its becoming more and more obvious that apEX' fragging and igling capabilities are just below mediocre. this event he has been really really bad with 0,82. too bad str0ker doesnt understand how to follow thru on these comments.
2023-06-11 10:49
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excellent bait
2023-06-11 11:36
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thanks but no thanks. personally i consider apEX worse than hooxi, karrigan snappi. maybe he's the worst IGL in the top 10. * ApEX got carried to a Major title by seriously overperforming team mates * Statwise apEX is eco hunting and trade fragging to pump up his ratings * i dont even think he's that good of a mid game caller As i said in other threads, apEX might just be in the team to comfort ZywOo, but at some point his credit is gone. You could say that apEX is top 3 shittiest attitude in the game, but i dont consider that a virtue tbh. To me, this article reads as if he's excusing himself alrdy, and thats just not pro-worthy.
2023-06-11 11:45
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"worse than karrigan, snappi, hooxi"... So still a top 5 igl lmao
2023-06-11 12:28
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i literally said "personally i consider" and "maybe he's the worst IGL in the top 10" having ZywOo on your team compensates a lot, and in this case ranking and event wins.
2023-06-11 12:34
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Well you're entirely entitled to your opinion, it's just wrong. Any pro will tell you, any analyst will tell you, that apEX is one of the best IGLs right now and has impact on the game, good reads and is a good leader (which is a characteristic that is SERIOUSLY underrated). While our opinions may differ and that's fine, I much prefer trusting the assessment of more competent analysts and RESULTS than your opinion. I would assume and hope that most would think the same.
2023-06-11 12:45
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i seriously doubt you understand the true meaning/concept of a forum. understandably you want to defend apEX and thats perfectly fine, but it does not inherently mean people cannot discuss articles and/or opinions. pls do NOT reply to this comment since i cannot take anyone serious that is not capable of understanding that people can differ in opinion.
2023-06-11 12:56
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yes but we're talking about facts here. such as: is apEX a good IGL? does he contribute to Vitality's success as a team? not questions like: do you like apEX? do you like his playstyle or personality? so basically you're not in a place to lecture anyone on what is opinion and what is not. I mean you can keep stating things as truths and call em opinions, but that doesn't make you right and in which case, what's the point if you're not open to changing your mind on facts?
2023-06-11 13:03
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Belgium shift2406
You might think of him as a bas player. As a fan myself i'm ashamed of his calls sometimes or just rushing dying to get info and throwing rounds. But he has as well lots of really good read on rounds. The number of times he saved them on a crucial round with a call or a clutch from himself to keep them in the game and then they snowball and win the map. In 2022 they were really really at the bottom. Because Zonic was making all the strats and Apex had nothing to say really. In 2023 they gave him full control or at least way more control and now they are Top 1. Might be because lots of teams are in a bad situation rn but still.
2023-06-11 13:09
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that's a good point. all a team has to do is win more rounds than the opposing team after all. whether you do that by making some terrible calls along the way but also some brilliant calls that can win you a game or being more of a consistent low risk caller is up to style.
2023-06-11 13:40
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Get of his d, trashex is the worst igl in progamin but your french national pride can't accept that. If zywoo dont go +20/+30 botality lose. Easy as that.
2023-06-12 08:46
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100% true
2023-06-12 08:42
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a french dude whooped you up?
2023-06-11 11:38
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I dont have time to play cs
2023-06-11 12:12
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he was talking IRL)
2023-06-11 12:46
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Ah lol, french people aint like that
2023-06-11 13:02
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nah, we wouldn't diss our bros <3
2023-06-11 13:03
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Heroic is cringe
2023-06-11 12:13
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Sweden Vrede
where is OG? :D
2023-06-11 17:47
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6 match points on Anubis t side vs faze shush
2023-06-11 17:52
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OG gets eliminated because nobody wants to check the bomb hahaaha why u talking?? 😂😂😂
2023-06-12 08:40
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Online cup who cares
2023-06-12 13:57
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Hahaha sure keep tellin that urself 🤡
2023-06-12 16:29
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Nahhh u changed flair
2023-06-12 14:00
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Sweden Vrede
so? still OG trash in every tour :'D
2023-06-12 19:54
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World Kobs
level is never the best at end of the season but at begining of seaons it s even worst
2023-06-11 12:39
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Ez 4 vitality?
2023-06-11 12:44
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GOOD LUCK BROTHERR!!
2023-06-11 13:07
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You're the prime example of a great leader ! f*** the haters, work hard and bring trophies home. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose that's how CSGO works in tier1 , you guys are in the right direction keep going !
2023-06-11 14:05
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Bhutan woogah
its great he at least realizes his major win wasn't the most fair and hard fought
2023-06-11 19:49
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perhaps not the most hard fought but no reason to call it "not the most fair"
2023-06-11 20:54
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Trashex already searching for excuses 😂 If zywoo dont go +20/+30 botality is lost. Washed team with worst igl in history of cs 🤷‍♂️
2023-06-12 08:38
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