Valve overhauls Major seeding process, changes stage names

The developers have altered the way seeding is done for the Majors and scrapped the traditional names of the tournament stages.

Valve's Regional Standings will determine the pre-event seeding

Valve has made a host of changes to its Major Supplemental Rulebook ahead of PGL Major Copenhagen. One of the biggest changes is the way pre-event seeding is done and how it is determined who gets to skip the first stage, as it will no longer be based on the results of the RMRs.

Moving forward, the 24 teams who qualify for the Major through the RMRs will be seeded according to Valve's Regional Standings, a ranking introduced in December 2022. Initially, it was used to determine a portion of the invites to the closed qualifiers for the RMRs leading to the BLAST Paris Major.

The new method will prevent situations where a team that is high in Valve's rankings gets a low seed at the Major only because of a disappointing run at the RMRs. For example, FaZe had the 16th seed of the Paris Major's Challengers Stage despite being ranked third in the world at the time after scraping through the European RMR.

Contacted by HLTV.org, Valve said that the Regional Standings will be updated after the RMRs to reflect their results, determining which teams will go straight to the last-16 stage.

Valve has also introduced a new pre-determined pairing for the first Swiss round of the Major, which will feature the following matchups:

1 vs 9
2 vs 10
3 vs 11
4 vs 12
5 vs 13
6 vs 14
7 vs 15
8 vs 16

In previous Majors, the first seed faced the 16th, the second faced the 15th, etc, in the first round. From the second round onwards the system will remain the same: The highest-seeded team will face the lowest-seeded team within the same pool, as long as it doesn't lead to rematches.

Another important change announced by Valve is the renaming of the three tournament stages from 'Challengers', 'Legends' and 'Champions' to 'Opening', 'Elimination' and 'Playoffs'.

This marks the first change to the names of the tournament stages since ELEAGUE Major Boston 2018, when the offline qualifier became part of the Major and the number of teams increased from 16 to 24.

Along with this change, Valve will also remove the names 'Contenders', 'Challengers' and 'Legends' to designate the teams participating at the Major.

The first Major of the Counter-Strike 2 era will take place between March 17-31 in Copenhagen and will be run by PGL. The qualifying process will begin on January 8 and run until the end of the month, while the RMRs will be held between February 14 and March 4.

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2023-11-04 00:08
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#58
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Sweden SavageSven
finally!
2023-11-04 00:54
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valve doesn't want HLTV rankings
2023-11-04 05:48
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#196
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China Aksi
for a good reason
2023-11-04 15:31
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#2
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Sweden Ieo
sick
2023-11-04 00:08
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#3
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Kazakhstan Avantc7
nice
2023-11-04 00:08
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#4
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Finland Kurkku))
1 vs 9 2 vs 10 3 vs 11 4 vs 12 5 vs 13 6 vs 14 7 vs 15 8 vs 16 makes no sense
2023-11-04 00:09
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#12
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Austria Im_The_One
+1 thats just stupid 8 seed get easiest game while seed 1 get harder game
2023-11-04 00:12
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Yeah well Vitality will probably have an easier time than Apeks for example
2023-11-04 00:40
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#59
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Aleksib | 
Ukraine ReanuKeeves
It's not stupid, it's more balanced and less one sided for the stronger teams. Aaaand less ppl crying how come 16th upset 1st lol
2023-11-04 00:55
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hahah lmao +1 on that less people crying about 16 winning 1 :DD
2023-11-04 00:58
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I see some rationale but still feels counterintuitive. 8 seed gets the easiest opponent and 9 gets the hardest - doesn't makes sense.
2023-11-04 02:36
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#124
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World A_Momo
Well, i see it as a win as teams will compete harder to get into the top 8. It will be a harsh battle between 6-7-8-9-10-11-12. While the last spots will be hard faught to stay in the top 16. No more easy game. Some teams didnt even tried before because rank 7 against 10 or 8 against 9 didnt matter. Some teams were fine with the seed and stopped trying.
2023-11-04 04:39
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#211
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Slovakia abnorse
Yeah but on the other hand now if you are team that maybe have potential to be in top8 but just with some upsets its better to lose in top16 round and just get better position… I think stop trying makes less harm than calculations that might be now
2023-11-05 08:37
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#149
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS
If you assume the higher seed wins every game, in the previous system, 1-8 would never make it because of the no rematch rule. By starting off the first round like that, it allows for the possibility of 1-8 making it through. Don't believe me, go to majors.im/23paris and play out a round where all high seeds win and you'll see.
2023-11-04 10:40
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But you should be rewarded for getting top seed otherwise people will only aim for 6-8
2023-11-04 10:02
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2023-11-04 01:40
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#83
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Finland Tusku
+1
2023-11-04 01:54
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#135
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England naDalous
its definitely more even than 1st playing 16th
2023-11-04 08:49
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But its shit. Best team should get easiest opponent, because they deserve it. Now there will probably be more fluke major runs than ever before...
2023-11-04 11:07
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#167
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England naDalous
"Best team should get easiest opponent, because they deserve it" What?? So you're saying someone like Vitality should play a team like Grayhound because they "Deserve it"? Such flawed logic. 1st seed should play 2nd seed, 3rd seed should play 4th seed etc...
2023-11-04 11:53
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If you qualify as a 1st seed to legend stage, you should play the last team who qualified from chalengers stage, then the worst team who won the first match etc. By your logic, we would see half of the shit teams in playoffs because they wouldnt have to face hardest opposition.
2023-11-04 11:56
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#176
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England naDalous
Hmm yeah that makes sense
2023-11-04 12:24
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They deserve on the back of you won your games at last major or last rmr, so when you play well, win your games and then you deserve to get the good seed and easy #1 match. That how seeding works..
2023-11-04 12:05
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Ideally, you want #1 and #2 to play each other in the grand finals. However, there are 16 teams where #1 and #2 might be between them. We think it's most likely that the actual 2 teams are in the top 8, and very unlikely that they are in the bottom 8. So, traditionally, we would pit #1 against #16, because we are most sure that 1 deserves to be here, and #16 doesn't, and if that's true, we want #16 gone as soon as possible, so we make them face the hardest opponents. That would make the #1 team more likely to finish as #1, and the #16 team more likely to finish as #16, which is what we expect from the seeding. Similarly with #2 and #15 and so on... Eventually, #8 face #9 because these are the two we expect to be most similar in strength and we are the least sure who should advance in the tournament, so these mid-seed matches would traditionally be the most equal in terms of strength. Now if #1 and #2 start on opposite sides of the bracket, eventually, they will have fought through all the lower-seeded opponents and face each other in the finals. Or at least the true #1 and #2, which might end up being #2 vs #3 if the teams competing are strong that year.
2023-11-04 16:23
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preemptive Falcons nerf
2023-11-04 12:06
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#175
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San Marino twovetti
1vs16 and 8vs7 how does that make any more sense?
2023-11-04 12:20
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Because 1 won seeding games aka rmr and did well 7/8 did not = harder game
2023-11-04 12:45
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#182
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India Rau7n
In every major sports, esports matchups are often drawn on 1v16, 8vs 9 only because it lets better team make deserved deep runs. 1v9 and 9v16, in both of the matches we have same probability of underdogs getting to next stage when it shouldn't be because 9th are better team than 16th.
2023-11-04 13:06
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It might give teams a reason to throw games to get 8th and therefore easy games
2023-11-04 14:43
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#13
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Europe _Liam_
+7
2023-11-04 00:12
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if you read the article, it explained that the 1v9 etc means the first seed (1) plays the ninth seed (9) and so on
2023-11-04 00:13
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Why would anyone try to secure first seed when they can throw a match for an easier seed
2023-11-04 00:40
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#60
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United Kingdom MiCroE
everyone knows that. it just doesnt make sense for seeding to work this way. the top seed should be rewarded the easiest opponent and the seeds should close in on each other from 1v16 to 8v9
2023-11-04 00:56
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#101
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China RADNIKEY
Yes exactly
2023-11-04 02:43
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#122
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United States larrypotato
everyone got that einstein
2023-11-04 04:27
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Content.
2023-11-04 04:54
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#16
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Denmark Pag3r
Ideally #1 should win over #9 and #2 over #10 andsoo on. You wanted #1vs#16 and #2vs#15 for it to make sense?
2023-11-04 00:13
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this is how it should be, like in the nba playoffs..first vs last, 1v8,2v7 etc. 1v16, 2v15 would make sense
2023-11-04 00:33
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like in any other sport, there is just no reward for being higher seeded with new system
2023-11-04 00:44
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Seeding should not be about reward, it's purely there to create the highest probability of a high tier grand finals.
2023-11-04 02:03
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It's hardly consistent though
2023-11-04 02:31
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#216
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Europe yommamas
That's just plain wrong
2023-11-06 15:58
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why
2023-11-04 00:48
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#150
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United States 1mPeRvI0uS
That is good in a single elimination. This is not single elimination. See hltv.org/news/37426/valve-overhauls-majo..
2023-11-04 10:46
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Then what is the point of getting first seed? The point of getting first seed is to have advantage in the first match but now it is harder so now everyone will just aim for 8 seed then
2023-11-04 05:57
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#144
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Sweden bodin_
"From the second round onwards the system will remain the same: The highest-seeded team will face the lowest-seeded team within the same pool, as long as it doesn't lead to rematches." I'd say it's still matters very very much. I agree the first round this way is weird, but getting 1st seed is still very much relevant.
2023-11-04 10:07
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It does. Stomps are less likely it seems that way.
2023-11-04 00:14
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iq?
2023-11-04 00:20
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#30
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United Kingdom Revvylo
Yeah I don't really understand why they changed that. It's straight up just logical to put 1v16 etc
2023-11-04 00:25
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Both options are logical and make sense.
2023-11-04 00:35
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No they dont
2023-11-04 00:37
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old format: you make the opening round harder for lower teams and easier for top teams. new format: you give a better chance of success to lower teams for the opening round. You can say that the old format is better. You can prefer the old format. I prefer it too. But you cannot say that the new format "makes no sense", because it does make sense. It is just a different way to approach it.
2023-11-04 00:47
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No it doesnt make any sense to give lower seeds a better chance for success
2023-11-04 00:44
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why do you think that? (there is a sense to it : for viewers it makes for more close matches instead of 13-2's accross the board)
2023-11-04 00:46
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because there is no reward for being higher seeded, thats just stupid
2023-11-04 00:46
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Man. No reason to argue here in HLTV. If users here cant see the logic here or say it doesnt make any sense, it just probably doesnt make any sense for them, but every normal human can instantly see the logic here.
2023-11-04 01:00
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It doesn't matter if u see the "logic" or not when the "logic" is fuckin stupid U should apply for valve, I hear they're hiring stupid nowadays
2023-11-04 01:02
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If u cant continue the following, idk if u can tell anyone he or she is stupid :D 1-9 2-10 3-11 ,., ... Im sorry if u cant see the logic here :DD Its litreally +1..+1 :DDD and u cant see it xddddd
2023-11-04 02:14
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XDDDDDDDD
2023-11-04 02:24
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Hahaha u see it now :D? Haha
2023-11-04 02:28
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I see that u are stupid
2023-11-04 11:13
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Check again. 1....9 1+1=2...1+9=10 There is logic. It doesnt matter if u see it or no.
2023-11-04 12:24
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2023-11-04 13:00
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Ahh y so you see it now yes no?
2023-11-04 13:09
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2 replies
Ugh
2023-11-04 13:16
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U really cant tell someone is stupid if u are not able to answer a simple yes / no question xd xd
2023-11-04 17:34
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wow
2023-11-04 20:26
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It's statistically more unfair, you're conflating "fairness" with "closer and more equal" matches.
2023-11-04 01:09
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"But you cannot say that the new format "makes no sense", because it does make sense. It is just a different way to approach it."
2023-11-04 02:11
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The 1v16, 2v15... seeding works well for Elimination brackets, ie., NBA, Tennis, etc For Swiss it is not as important because it is a qualifying system for the elimination bracket
2023-11-04 12:13
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#154
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Romania m0rtalGM
This is a mistake I see a lot of people making. Lower seeds have a better chance of success in the opening rounds and that's it. Afterwards, having a higher seed still favors you. At least this way, underdogs don't have to play the absolute favorites to qualify every time, and it gives a higher chance of actually finding top 8
2023-11-04 11:02
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Why should they get a higher chance? Anyways it doesn't matter since the seeding will suck and there's gonna be top teams at 16
2023-11-04 11:14
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#161
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Romania m0rtalGM
It's a higher chance than before, not necessarily compared to other teams. Chances can't be fully equal, unless all teams play all teams, which would be stupid. This system feels better at determining the top 8 teams. Before, if you were seed 14, 15 or 16 it would almost impossible to qualify, even if you played like seed 7 or 8, since you would face high seeds in the first rounds and then other high seeds underperforming in the next ones. I see arguments for both ways of creating match ups, but this feels slightly better for determining top 8, but I might be wrong.
2023-11-04 11:35
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If the seeding was well made and there were no upsets, the top 8 should be the top 8
2023-11-04 11:40
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#164
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Romania m0rtalGM
But there could be an argument made that this system doesn't properly determine the top 5 teams, and seed 9 for example could qualify 3-1 or 3-2 and lose out on skipping a stage because they lost to seed 1. There are positives and negatives to both systems, but if your team is truly great, it can succeed in either.
2023-11-04 11:44
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it's not making it harder for everyone, higher seeded teams will get higher seeded, while lower seeded will get lower seeded, which means weaker playoff
2023-11-04 00:45
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good point, I edited my answer but I stand by my point
2023-11-04 00:48
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+1
2023-11-04 00:59
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#123
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United States larrypotato
what doesn't make sense is that number 8 gets the easiest game while number 9 gets the hardest
2023-11-04 04:29
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Can't say for certain without looking it for more detail, but I'm sure that it got something to do with how bucholdz works. Also for 16th team to qualify, before he had very often beat teams 1st, 2nd and whoever the team gets for third round from bucholdz. Now its 8th, 1st and whoever the team gets for third round from bucholdz, which is already much more fair for tournament like this. Not even for 16th, but dor anyone really from lower part of the seeding. The swiss isn't supposed to find the best team after all, just those eight good enough to qualify. So one have to only beat the ninth best team if the system works correctly.
2023-11-04 02:10
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Keep in mind that it will be the full Swiss system. The purpose is to find the 8 best teams while testing each team equally. For that purpose, 1v9 and 8v16 is better than 1v16 and 8v9, because every match has the same relative balance of power. The system will self-correct on the later rounds anyway.
2023-11-04 01:14
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#81
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Finland Kurkku))
Let's see if they can get it working, bucholz didn't get me feeling so confident
2023-11-04 01:46
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ty! ppl here comparing it to normal bracket playoffs and freaking out.
2023-11-04 02:38
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people have never understood Buchholz, that's the main issue here. giving the best teams only the weakest opponents (on a good ranking) means they would have a low Buchholz later on, potentially giving them harder opposition with qualification/elimination on the line.
2023-11-04 02:57
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+1 actually coherent thought
2023-11-04 11:45
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makes total sense. much better
2023-11-04 04:14
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#141
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World Kobs
Seeding is broken anyway. often it s better to not be the top seed , it was lotterie and will remain the same
2023-11-04 10:07
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#152
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Slovenia scorger
There is a reason why other sports just do a random draw system. Sure, can lead to group of death situations etc. but when the world cup, one of the biggest global sporting events hasn't come up with a better system why bother? Just add another night on the calendar for a live draw. I can see: Forest "number 4" Machine "Number 4 that is G2 and they will be playing" Smooya "Number 9" Machine: "Number 9 that is Monte - Monte going for their second major appearance" You get the idea...
2023-11-04 11:00
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No sports uses random draws lol. And csgo used to use random draws and it was terrible. I remember a major where all top3 teams were in a single GSL group.
2023-11-04 13:25
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#217
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Europe yommamas
> world cup >random draw system Bruh, you don't know what you are talking about
2023-11-06 16:00
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It makes sense because when pit was seceded 1v16 etc, it was mathematicaly impossible for all 1-8 seeded teams to make it through.
2023-11-04 13:23
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#199
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Japan LaFlare17k
It was better if? 1vs16 2vs15 3vs14 4vs13 5vs12 6vs11 7vs10 8vs9 I think It's will better
2023-11-04 17:29
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Ok, now get rid of BO1s please. Thanks!
2023-11-04 00:09
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#147
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World HOWMUCHHOWMUCH
+1
2023-11-04 10:11
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+1 Bo1 doesn't make sense with mr12
2023-11-04 11:00
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#210
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Australia Beard43
+1
2023-11-05 01:46
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#6
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Andorra hdz`
exciting to see how this will play out
2023-11-04 00:10
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nice. But how will the match format go? Do we still get BO1? Full BO3? Is the grand finals finally BO5?
2023-11-04 00:10
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wow
2023-11-04 00:10
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#9
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Canada Bucket0
cool
2023-11-04 00:11
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nice
2023-11-04 00:12
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Classic move from those potato brains in valve
2023-11-04 00:12
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npc
2023-11-04 00:20
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+1
2023-11-04 02:04
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#98
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Argentina Aleeee
as you can see, they will change any shit you can imagine except the one they actually have to change
2023-11-04 02:37
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#131
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Italy alastt27
truest words about valve ever
2023-11-04 06:33
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They better fix the regional standings FAST.
2023-11-04 00:13
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#17
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United States vip3r_k1ng
why is the middle round named elimination?
2023-11-04 00:14
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#19
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Hungary ShadYyBoy
He
2023-11-04 00:15
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W take
2023-11-04 00:16
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#21
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United States ddown
Why is it called elimination stage
2023-11-04 00:18
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#28
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Other B0OMER
because teams are getting eliminated
2023-11-04 00:22
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6 replies
2000 iq
2023-11-04 00:37
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#47
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United States ddown
but they are getting eliminated in the other 2 stages aswell
2023-11-04 00:44
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#64
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Other B0OMER
but there couldnt be 2 elimination stages
2023-11-04 00:58
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Elimination stage Elimination stage 2: Electric Boogaloo Elimination stage (No for real this time)
2023-11-04 03:14
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And then LCQ for FaZe and C9 .
2023-11-04 06:22
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And all of that culminating in The Grand Elimination Final.
2023-11-04 09:14
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L stage names
2023-11-04 00:20
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#33
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China Mahiro
+1
2023-11-04 00:27
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#23
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Australia phloxio
What is the point of changing the name of the stages they were perfectly fine
2023-11-04 00:20
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They were not. For someone watching counter strike for the first time it didn't tell them anything. Now it's simpler and will speak to new viewers
2023-11-04 00:36
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The names were crap. Except for Challenger, that was fine. I hated the names since they introduced them. Just call playoffs playoffs is it so hard?
2023-11-04 10:09
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rare W from volvo
2023-11-04 00:22
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AYAYA Clap Major Opening
2023-11-04 00:22
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#29
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Sweden Rabarberbusen
"In previous Majors, the 1st seed faced the 16th, the 2nd faced the 15th, etc, in the first round." As it ALWAYS should be, why change it?
2023-11-04 00:23
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+1 they made a good change by using world ranking for seedings instead of rmr placing (💀💀💀) but do this which is weird imo...
2023-11-04 02:11
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At least teams wont be fixing their RMR games to get easier seedings
2023-11-04 13:10
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Remove BO1‘s in first place had been the better change to remove flukeruns like apex and GL in last csgo‘s major but hey - that’s just my opinion.
2023-11-04 00:26
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#32
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China Mahiro
goyslop names xd
2023-11-04 00:27
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Lmao never thought I'd see a user use that word especially on a post like this
2023-11-04 00:52
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#34
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Russia Sun_R1see
again bo1 trashvalve????
2023-11-04 00:30
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#35
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North America minte
Pog!
2023-11-04 00:31
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Makes no sense, if you barely scrape through qualifiers you should be a low seed
2023-11-04 00:39
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nah, seeding based on ranking is good change, but 1v9 and 8v16 is bs
2023-11-04 00:48
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one tournament that determines all is bad. CS is played a whole year
2023-11-04 10:10
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No it's not, that's the whole point of a major. Otherwise just give major to best team over the whole year and don't have a seperate tournament.
2023-11-04 13:51
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No the RMR is not part of the major it is a qualifier. So it is absolutely fine to look after the RMR what fits best to the whole season. Everyone can qualify who is good enough and when the best team can't qualify then it happens... It is about how the Major goes
2023-11-04 14:10
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#54
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United States weaboo
VALVE IS SHIT CS2 IS SHIT
2023-11-04 00:50
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What about the sticker capsules then
2023-11-04 00:50
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Stage names are huge L. I'll just call them the old way, new ones are lame af.
2023-11-04 00:53
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#61
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Samoa nuuuuucky
322
2023-11-04 00:56
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idk why people are complaining about new stage names, could probably be better, but no one even understood the old ones anyway; legends didnt play in the legends stage etc.
2023-11-04 00:58
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+1 the previous ones were terrible
2023-11-04 09:17
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#159
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Finland JHdash77
The names did make sense before RMR was introduced, but not anymore, so glad to see them gone
2023-11-04 11:33
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Not sure about those names
2023-11-04 00:59
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good, hopefully this will decrease the chances of seeing mickey mouse teams in playoffs
2023-11-04 01:27
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changing the seed but can't change the format aka bo1 with mr12 lol, gj Valve
2023-11-04 01:30
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Unnecessary name change but I guess it's just a matter of getting used to it
2023-11-04 01:33
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Please clarify if Buchholz score is still used to determine the seeds after the first two rounds or not.
2023-11-04 01:36
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Good change If you're seed 1 you should steamroll any team that isn't title contender, otherwise you don't deserve a win anyway.
2023-11-04 01:38
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#80
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Scotland TWGKofi
Names need changing Imo, Elimination can apply to all of them. Like the seeding and pairing changes though
2023-11-04 01:41
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Good changes.
2023-11-04 02:01
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fucking shit
2023-11-04 02:10
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doesnt make any sense to stop rewarding higher seeding teams getting lower seeded opponents. aswell as not rewarding good rmr showings, helps the top teams for sure, but the major was always fun cuz topteams like faze came in as 16th based on their below average play in the rmr. kinda decreases the importance of the rmr. name change was not needed aswell. all in all someone at valve was bored i guess cause non of these changes were needed.
2023-11-04 02:36
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you see, they will change anything but the thing they actually have to
2023-11-04 02:38
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"Regional Standings will be updated after the RMRs to reflect their results" Good showings will be rewarded but likely not as dramatically so you wouldn't go from 16 to 1 in one event.
2023-11-04 02:45
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#102
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China RADNIKEY
Doesn't really change much apart from making people have to relearn the system
2023-11-04 02:43
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"From the second round onwards the system will remain the same: The highest-seeded team will face the lowest-seeded team within the same pool, as long as it doesn't lead to rematches" Kinda confused here. The system will remain the same, means it still using Bucholz's system or not? Cuz it also said the highest-seeded team will face the lowest-seeded. Thanks in advanced.
2023-11-04 02:51
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Buchholz only starts from round 3. Round 2 will use team's result from round 1 and original seeding. For example if #1 will fall to #9 and #8 will beat #16, #1 will be paired with #16 as both have 0-1 record and highest seed vs lowest seed. So in theory it should correct adjusted pairing in round 1.
2023-11-04 02:58
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I see. Thanks
2023-11-04 03:11
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it's a bit confusing because the terms are the same. but since Buchholz reseed the teams after every round, it is correct to say the team with the highest Buchholz score was the highest seed at that stage and so on.
2023-11-04 03:04
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Thanks.
2023-11-04 03:12
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Elimination shall be called 'Main Stage', as it's not single or double elimination.
2023-11-04 03:01
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1 reply
+1
2023-11-04 18:35
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Good changes
2023-11-04 03:28
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Old stage names were better
2023-11-04 03:29
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Terrible for anyone not ranked in top 10. Just further progressing this esport to where only big money orgs will qualify.
2023-11-04 03:30
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#116
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United States DingusCSGO
the top one is my team (im in the 9)
2023-11-04 03:38
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lmfao major meme format now. no point in being top seed anymore. might aswell just go full WWE at this point
2023-11-04 03:52
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Imagine having an irrelevant tournament and calling it „Major“ they should change into cs2 world championshil. Also pricepool should be up to 10 million dollar where the winner gets 6 million and 4 million distributed to the rest 15 teams
2023-11-04 04:22
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WTF!?.
2023-11-04 05:53
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Won't matter with fucking coinflip BO1s
2023-11-04 07:18
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#133
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Brazil MSS1822
W valve
2023-11-04 07:25
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Stupid ass changes
2023-11-04 08:37
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Name change is a W
2023-11-04 09:44
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#140
Faceit premium user Faceit level 10  | 
Russia Kyli4H
1vs9 is my style
2023-11-04 09:52
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BO1s MR12 will be played? xD what always bothered me is why teams cant play from their practice rooms like in dota, this would allow all matches to be played in bo3 format starting from the first round reducing fluke wins, there would be no need to waste time preparing PCs, plugging in all the stuff in studio. There are always 4 streams running simultaneously, teams play 2 bo2s a day and noone is complaining.
2023-11-04 10:08
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agree. bo1 is beyond retarded. MR12 is is simply Insanely retarded.
2023-11-04 11:18
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Valve is smoking some unique things
2023-11-04 10:33
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#151
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FL4MUS | 
Russia GrafFrost
Name change is L, other changes are ok
2023-11-04 10:56
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Another important change announced by Valve is the renaming of the three tournament stages from 'Challengers', 'Legends' and 'Champions' to 'Opening', 'Elimination' and 'Playoffs'. this is so soulless the names were so good... why take away such a cool aesthetic
2023-11-04 11:34
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#218
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Europe yommamas
>names were good >yeah, you became a "legend" without making the playofss lmao
2023-11-06 16:02
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why? who asked for this?
2023-11-04 11:36
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Any change they make you guys will cry
2023-11-04 12:11
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+1
2023-11-06 15:52
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For those having an issue with the seeding, first you have to turn off the part of your brain that is comparing this to seeding in elimination brackets, Swiss is not the same. What 1v9, 2v10... 8v16, gives you is parity for every match, every upper seed gets a match up that is exactly 8 seeds below them. Then, and here is the crux, once Buchholz and qualification/elimination kicks in, the top seeds wont pay each other because they had a stronger first round opponent, instead of weaker opponents giving them poor Buchholz scores.
2023-11-04 12:26
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#178
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
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Europe Asviix
finally begone fluke runs like Outsiders and Vita
2023-11-04 12:25
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#205
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World Kobs
vita played ence and g2 , i don t remember but seeding was maybe broken like it is most of the times.. this new system will probably be has random in the end the problem is seeding can t be done anymore by knowleddge and logic like in 1.6. every event of this year seeding/ brackets were broken
2023-11-04 23:02
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what the fuck is that seeding? so fucking retarded
2023-11-04 12:58
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You could play devil's advocate for that because the top teams will likely stay in the top 20 until major. 1v9 8v16 etc. gives more potential for the 'Obviously Better' teams to dodge each other and dispatch the 'Lucky Fluke teams' spreading the top teams to only play each other later and actually test the teams punching up. The weaker teams would mostly have to worry about each other the more they lose. However this is only if no upsets happen and upsets WILL happen. The clearly better team will still fumble and some of them will squeeze through as always.
2023-11-05 01:19
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nice. now switch to bo3 and we are all bueno
2023-11-04 13:15
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Idiot seeding
2023-11-04 13:38
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the seeding as it was was the biggest shit I ever see in any kind of sports. So every change is a good change
2023-11-04 14:14
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1v2 3v4 5v6 7v8 9v10 11v12 13v24 15v16 Maybe this?
2023-11-04 15:23
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Lol the new stage names are disappointing, the previous names were cool at least. I also think players were liking the prestige of called "legends" and as a buyer you would get more excited to buy a capsule named "legends capsule". Now it's all bland.
2023-11-04 17:05
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it doesnt make any sense, what are they smoking.. this is so dumb srsly
2023-11-05 01:05
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#201
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Europe richwilde
Nice
2023-11-04 17:40
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#202
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Argentina nymeros
Just make a big playoff like tennis grand slam and be done with it.
2023-11-04 17:51
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"Another important change announced by Valve is the renaming of the three tournament stages from 'Challengers', 'Legends' and 'Champions' to 'Opening', 'Elimination' and 'Playoffs'. Along with this change, Valve will also remove the names 'Contenders', 'Challengers' and 'Legends' to designate the teams participating at the Major." ???? like why wtf just take any flair from this and make it a random competition ???
2023-11-05 01:04
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Pretty good changes, not sure if I like the stage name changes but doesn't really affect enjoyment. Fr tho Valve, surely ya'll can get rid of BO1's now, MR12 makes this shit take so much less time no need for BO1's I suppose except open quals. And no one would be able to cry that the Obviously Better Team fumbled the bag because the Lucky Fluke Team won 2BO1s and lucked out a single BO3.
2023-11-05 01:15
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#212
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Brazil hugoooo
Seed 8 will be the best seed then hahahahahahaha
2023-11-05 15:21
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#213
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Europe mTys
Just make two seedings and draw a team from each seeding to face each other. After the first round, you don't seed the teams but just place them in 1-0 and 0-1 groups, and draw matches from there. After that round is played we then have 2-0, 1-1 and 0-2 groups. Repeat for all "group stages". At play-off the 3-0 face two of the 3-2 teams, while the 3-2 team with the best overall round W/L ratio will face the 3-1 team with the best round W/L ratio. The last two 3-1 teams will face each other. The 3-0 teams will be placed in each bracket, while the 3-0 team with the best round W/L ratio will get the match-up with the two 3-1 teams in their side of the bracket.
2023-11-05 15:53
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The seeding change seems really dumb to me. Because before it rewards you for getting a higher seed by facing a lower seed but now if you get 1st seed you face 9th but if you intentionally lose a game and get something like 5th seed then you face 13th seed. Seems stupid
2023-11-05 17:47
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