stavn and jabbi share their side of Heroic-Astralis transfer drama in new statement

stavn and jabbi's side of the story goes against much of what Heroic said nearly two months ago.

The former Heroic have given their side of the story

Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund and Jakob "⁠jabbi⁠" Nygaard have put out a joint statement that clashes directly with what HEROIC said on October 25 regarding the two players' futures at the time.

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Heroic temporarily remove stavn and jabbi amid Astralis interest

At the time of the HEROIC statement the two players had just refused to extend their contracts after a push to remove Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller from the team was made, a move that the organization said had been initiated by the now-Astralis players. In their version of events, it was all of the players and coaches who wanted to remove cadiaN.

"We did not initiate a push to replace cadiaN, nor did we stand alone when these discussions were initiated in the team," one of the subheaders reads, going in direct opposition to what HEROIC had once stated.

The now-Astralis players' statement says that on September 13, at a time in which HEROIC players were "unhappy with the dynamics regarding the leading of the team" and cadiaN was spread thin trying to take on more responsibilities than before, stavn proposed he himself step down "to deal with the situation."

Then, in a meeting on September 14, all players expressed that they felt the same way as stavn regarding morale and leadership and four days later a decision was made among all players and coaches to remove cadiaN from the team and bring on a new fifth.

In a second section titled "No prior knowledge of Astralis plans and no signed future plans," the duo go on to say that they were planning on staying in HEROIC, but when they learned that the organization was perhaps planning a team around cadiaN, it caused trust issues and new possibilities were thought of, without any conclusions.

The duo then mention that they had not agreed to sign new contracts if cadiaN was removed from the team, and only initial negotiations were underway. They also say they did not have any agreements with Astralis. "We signed with Astralis right before BLAST Fall Final," the statement reads, "when Astralis and Heroic finalized a transfer agreement. We had not made any agreement with Astralis ahead of that date."

The timeline then goes to September 29, when the duo say they were approached by Astralis under the subheader, "A new exciting project." In this section, they speak of having the opportunity of being part of a big organization like Astralis and the opportunity to reunite with Kasper Straube, their former Performance Coach in HEROIC.

On September 30, the duo informed HEROIC of their intentions and asked to be transferred to Astralis, after which the Danish organization approached their counterparts to make an offer for the two players. The duo claim to not know how the negotiations went.

In the final section, titled "Moving on," platitudes go out towards their former team with the main takeaway being that they never "planned or conspired with anyone to push cadiaN out of Heroic or to hurt Heroic, cadiaN or anyone else," that the project just fell apart and they followed their heart.

Denmark Martin 'stavn' Lund
Martin 'stavn' Lund
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1311
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Jakob 'jabbi' Nygaard
Jakob 'jabbi' Nygaard
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.99
Maps played:
973
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1673
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.62
#1
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Hungary ShadYyBoy
Damn
2023-12-21 22:14
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22 replies
Its too late. Stabbi etched in CS Meme Lore for life.
2023-12-21 23:45
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6 replies
Jabbi "two-faced" Toledo
2023-12-22 05:34
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#223
Xyp9x | 
Asia NinX
+1 CadiaN's reactions on this whole thing on HLTv Confirmed was GOLD.
2023-12-22 08:32
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3 replies
Link? Or which confirmed was it
2023-12-22 11:07
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2 replies
The one with Liquid Players
2023-12-22 15:29
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#319
Xyp9x | 
Asia NinX
It's on there insta as well.
2023-12-22 18:58
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#303
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Finland Tusku
+1
2023-12-22 15:57
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we dont care, jabbiK stavnK
2023-12-22 00:12
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4 replies
#249
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Germany Sol1taire
"we dont care about the truth". we weren't there and dont really know what happened. we're just going with whatever the fuck else everybody is saying
2023-12-22 11:12
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3 replies
Yes, that's right
2023-12-22 11:39
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yes, thats exactly it
2023-12-22 14:09
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so true most hltv users share 2 braincells and dont have the capacity to reflect ...
2023-12-22 18:30
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#139
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United States Admirel
Even in their own words, they ditched the organization that sided with them over cadiaN, what a pair of shit bags.
2023-12-22 01:43
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+1
2023-12-22 03:37
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#196
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
rain | 
Norway Mickoo
+1
2023-12-22 05:36
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#204
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Denmark oog
Yep pretty much. This section also doesn’t make sense: “… they never "planned or conspired with anyone to push cadiaN out of Heroic or to hurt Heroic, cadiaN or anyone else," that the project just fell apart and they followed their heart.” They sided to replace cadiaN. How is that not planning or conspiring to hurt/push him out of heroic lol.
2023-12-22 06:31
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yep still stabbi
2023-12-22 06:36
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yeah, thats basically a PR statement that doesnt really disprove what Heroic said
2023-12-22 06:55
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The whole thing does not make sense. "it became clear that all 4 players and coaches in the roster felt the same frustration" (with the leadrship), -stavn and jabbi: the team is not performing, +all other: we agree. -What stabbi wrote: nobody wonted to keep Cadian. 18th sepembrr, "ALL players and coaches came to decision to part way with Cadian", so Cadian was like, yeah guys, kick me?? The 25th statement is probably the same as on 13th, they mentioned it casually that they would stay. Also how the duck would Heroic know that Astralis was interested in stabbi, before them, You cannot sell Your players, if they do not wish to join the buying organisation, that's just pure nonsense from stabbi.
2023-12-22 08:47
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2 replies
+1 well said
2023-12-22 11:40
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#274
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Germany GroShiOuh
+1
2023-12-22 12:42
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They could have just said that Stabbi agreed to join Astralis on 30th of September and rest was just paperwork.
2023-12-22 12:02
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#2
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Ukraine freskohq
lol
2023-12-21 22:14
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im a cadian fan and i get that in the public eye, ppl would go on to sympathize w cadian and hate on stabn and stabbi more. but we cant say that these two are lying. but maybe its true that something changed in cadians leadership and attitude within the team, but that doesnt make him bad guy, just natural within a team to eventually fail and go downhill. perhaps the heroic statement that stavn and jabbi went behind their backs was exaggerated from the two simply losing interest in having cadian as their leader. hope cadian finds gold in liquid. and i hope astralis stays mid.
2023-12-23 19:07
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#3
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Brazil darkfroid
Damm
2023-12-21 22:14
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Jabbi did nothing wrong.
2023-12-21 22:14
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12 replies
cap
2023-12-21 22:25
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#36
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
kraghen | 
Denmark ReZenT0205
+1
2023-12-21 22:32
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they really put that statement out fast huh
2023-12-21 22:59
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3 replies
Yeah astralis finally made a statement c:
2023-12-22 03:30
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2 replies
*made them make (:
2023-12-22 10:02
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1 reply
aSupremeSloth: Astralis would never make any say anything on social media that they did not want to say ourselves.
2023-12-22 17:03
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Keep trusting astralis pr lul, so cheap story
2023-12-22 00:39
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3 replies
+1, if they wanted to say "the truth" why they waited so long? If you are clean you have no problem speaking cause facts will be in line with what you say. But no, stabbi waited until they got a professional pr writer to tell their side of the story. At this point nobody sane belives what astralis say, so many scandals, so many lies. For example i remember device tweeting he had no intention to return to astralis, after rumors surfaced when he was benched in nip. 6 months after here he is in astralis, confirming that he was indeed talking with them. At this point i only feel bad for blamef, the only "clean" hard working guy. And staher.
2023-12-22 08:55
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2 replies
Because they needed the extra time for Hollywood's best scenarists/writers to come up with a somewhat conceivable story. Still stabbi though
2023-12-22 11:04
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By the way lol at your '' clean ''... Subtle jab ( if I dare to say so ) at blameF's nattiness
2023-12-22 11:05
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#181
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United States phwn
Jabbi did nothing wrong.
2023-12-22 04:21
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1 reply
#371
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Philippines B3nk4i
Stop the cap, they came as a package deal and both agreed to do what they did
2023-12-23 08:18
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#5
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United States SwantanamoJ
k
2023-12-21 22:14
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Statements made of cotton candy and fairy tales
2023-12-21 22:15
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4 replies
This really is a bizarrely worded statement. It says it will be in third person, but then most of the paragraphs use "we", which is a first person perspective. Other paragraphs are not first person and read like they were written by a narrator. This whole statement reeks of too many cooks in the kitchen, an entire PR team trying to massage the truth to maximize damage control.
2023-12-21 22:48
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I think he just mean since it is a joint statement it won't use "me" it will just use Stavn/ Jabbi. I think so people don't get confused about why Stavn writes about himself in third person on his own twitter. I think it's just a gamer brain moement.
2023-12-21 23:26
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#386
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Denmark sNju
You get that his first language is not English, right?
2023-12-23 19:12
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statements everyone knows they did not write themselves
2023-12-22 22:08
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#8
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Zimbabwe KennyKEX
They didnt write that for sure someone in astralis did for sure LUL
2023-12-21 22:15
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17 replies
of course. their fanbase probably plummeted lmao
2023-12-21 22:25
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ChatGPT :)
2023-12-21 22:49
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There’s no way a couple of counter strike kids write like a couple of lawyers. Just the way the thing is worded you can tell this thing is fabricated.
2023-12-22 01:03
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12 replies
Lol this isnt lawyer level. I could write that. Not saying it isnt astralis pr though. Someone probably sat around the table with stavn and jabbi. Hows that a bad thing? Like everything you read at hltv news is done by some article writer too. But now we act special? To me its fine.
2023-12-22 01:51
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10 replies
Spoken like someone who isn’t in the legal field.
2023-12-22 02:59
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4 replies
Neither are you
2023-12-22 04:44
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I am in the legal field and I assure you that is nothing. Thats like the type of statement you might read in 1L
2023-12-22 07:04
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1 reply
People in 1L write more succinctly than that. Law school (and being a junior associate) takes halfway decent writers and teaches them to write a whole lot without really saying anything.
2023-12-22 14:48
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I never claimed I was. Also its useless to judge my writing on a forum. I behave as such.
2023-12-22 10:50
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Ok Mr. Tin Foil
2023-12-22 11:48
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#271
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal Faydeeeee
It is pr/lawyer ish level when you see them responding to accusations that weren't even made originally by heroic to divert attention from where it should be, amongst other exampels throughout the article.
2023-12-22 12:35
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3 replies
"Ish" everything with "ish" added is not quite it. I could make a couple of pages worth of rules for a tourmament with waterproof clausses in it that would be considered more lawyerish then these written statements. It defiantly is pr level though.
2023-12-22 13:37
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2 replies
#291
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal Faydeeeee
look I think this all comes down to what you and the guy who first put lawyer in his comment think about lawyers. You are thinking about lawyers as in the normal day to day guys wirting corp stuff, that help make rulebooks etc, that obv write in a very concise and proper manner. Where as me and I assume the other guy, are thinking of lawyers involved in bad PR situations, guilty clients, etc. A lot of comms in these situations turn out bad because the lawyers are trying too hard to point the attention to a specific and more irrelevant thing, trying to paint a picture of their clients, instead of prioritizing writing in a natural manner. I hope you can understand what I mean.
2023-12-22 13:40
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Yeah I get it wasnt just about the manner it is written in. Dude waterproof tournament rules came up because that is exactly what ive done in the past. My father in law is a lawyer. Im telling you this is just a dumb persons idea who doesnt have a clue of lawyer level. Its pr level at most and then you can still write statements trying to deflect or cover your ass etc. A normal person could as well.
2023-12-22 15:45
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#234
Faceit level 8  | 
cadiaN | 
Germany Thy_Whom_Thou
Must be the worst lawyer to ever live if you think that is lawyer level. That's barely college level. Another American dumbass at it again. 0/8
2023-12-22 09:31
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#215
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Finland Matuaani
for sure
2023-12-22 07:24
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maybe try doing an AI Generated test on it ?
2023-12-22 09:27
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#9
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United States ddown
astralis pr goes crazy cause i know that stavn and jabbi did not write that
2023-12-21 22:15
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4 replies
I'd love to see the factual evidence? You guys close or something? We will likely never know the full truth. Ultimately, doesn't matter.
2023-12-22 04:06
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3 replies
#272
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal Faydeeeee
What evidence do you need? There's only like a handful of players I think would write a statement like that...
2023-12-22 12:36
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2 replies
Cool, not what I asked for. Cold, hard, evidence otherwise we the community don't know what's true. It's funny, it's like you know them or something when in reality you don't so stop saying stuff you have no idea about.
2023-12-22 19:19
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1 reply
#327
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal Faydeeeee
the fact you are asking for evidence of this just makes you oblivious to be completely honest. even people who are on stavn and jabbi's side can agree this PR lingo statement wasn't made up by them. you know no one has evidence yet it's just clear as day. and oblivious not only about this but the whole astralis context that you might seem to be missing.
2023-12-22 20:20
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Astralis PR team at its finest haha
2023-12-21 22:15
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#11
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Germany hltvfinest
more lies like his fake tears at hunden apology video
2023-12-21 22:15
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2 replies
my first thoughts when i saw this lol...
2023-12-21 22:17
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#168
Faceit level 8  | 
United States Plus1_Minus1
+1
2023-12-22 02:53
0
Hmmmm
2023-12-21 22:15
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hltv bros grabbing their popcorn and watching this drama unfold like its an episode of the kardashians lmaoooooo
2023-12-21 22:19
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2 replies
#185
Faceit level 10  | 
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Poland GOD999999
On today's episode of Stabbiashians...
2023-12-22 04:52
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#230
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Switzerland f3ni_
+111
2023-12-22 09:16
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Great statement from crocodile tear baby boy stavn. Please somebody get these men some burgers
2023-12-21 22:19
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10 replies
#60
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United States Chuffer
Concerningly thin
2023-12-21 23:05
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7 replies
#71
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North America b00tleg
Tbf Ive never heard of a fat snake
2023-12-21 23:23
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2 replies
#125
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United States Chuffer
+1 lol
2023-12-22 00:52
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#372
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Philippines B3nk4i
+1
2023-12-23 08:20
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if you combined both their arms you wouldn't even get a normal arm
2023-12-22 00:37
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3 replies
#126
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United States Chuffer
I don’t even mean to be demeaning to their appearance, but I don’t believe a human looking like that is healthy, or how a girl could find that attractive lol
2023-12-22 00:53
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2 replies
You should ask this to Jessica
2023-12-22 06:05
0
I was going to make a fat American joke, but you're absolutely correct lmao
2023-12-22 15:36
0
i want some too
2023-12-21 23:30
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1 reply
#149
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Russia Lessix
Omg singapore
2023-12-22 02:04
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#18
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Czech Republic imik
Only needed 3 months and Astralis PR team to make the statement. xdd
2023-12-21 22:19
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Heroic was lying by omission when they released the statement claiming that stavn and jabbi demanded cadiaN's removal, without ever mentioning that stavn offered to bench himself in the first place.
2023-12-21 22:20
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18 replies
#47
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
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Finland Electricplug
Wasn't it already said that it was either that Stavn and Jabbi leave or cadiaN leaves and Heroic chose Stavn and Jabbi?
2023-12-21 22:49
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#65
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Germany Rusty_
It was said that stavn and jabbi said they were either leaving or heroic has to kick cadian for them to stay. So they removed cadian to keep them. When then they went to Astralis instantly, which is what all this resides around
2023-12-21 23:09
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5 replies
That's what Heroic claims, but I don't know why people are just trusting Heroic blindly since they weren't being upfront about the talk that cadiaN and stavn had before all of these events transpired. At least wait and see if Xizt, sjuush and TeSeS deny being in agreement with the removal of cadiaN.
2023-12-21 23:16
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1 reply
#72
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Germany Rusty_
He asked what was said and I told him what was said until today. That’s all.
2023-12-21 23:24
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It was also said Heroic took down that post... Wonder why ... Cause it was hardly true
2023-12-21 23:40
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2 replies
#97
rain | 
Germany Rusty_
This statement is hardly believable though, the truth is, as so often, probably somewhere in the middle
2023-12-21 23:53
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#162
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Poland BAN_ANIME
why is everyone saying the post was taken down, the tweet is still up or people are talking about different post?
2023-12-22 02:36
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That's what Heroic claims happened. But we know that's not the whole truth at the very least. cadiaN: "I was very surprised when I talked with stavn. He wanted to move things in a different direction, and he didn't know if he should be benched. He said he didn't feel the same joy playing the game or playing with me that he used to, and he thought I was being very harsh when correcting mistakes." This transpired BEFORE there was ever talks about removing cadiaN.
2023-12-21 23:13
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2 replies
#105
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10  | 
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Finland Electricplug
Sure, but sounds believable that Stavn and Jabbi would say they rather leave the team than stay with cadiaN, which is why Heroic decided that keeping Stavn and Jabbi is more valuable than keeping cadiaN. Especially since those two are the ones in the team that have some leverage being the star players, Sjuush and TeSeS wouldn't be able to do an ultimatum like that since Heroic obviously would rather keep cadiaN that those two.
2023-12-22 00:10
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1 reply
Sjuush is a way more valuable player than jabbi imo. stavn on the other hand is definitely a star player/hybrid if used properly
2023-12-22 11:11
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They did tho ? It was said in the post that heroic would choose between cadian and the two, and in the end decided to bench cadian.
2023-12-22 00:08
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3 replies
Look up what "lying by omission" means.
2023-12-22 00:55
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2 replies
#229
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India ELEXR
It literally says stavn threatened to not play with cadian, which means he is gonna bench himself, please redo schooling please
2023-12-22 09:00
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1 reply
Why is it always the most moronic people writing shit like "please redo schooling please"...
2023-12-22 13:15
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how is it lying when it literally confirms that stavn and jabbi made heroic choose between them and cadian?
2023-12-22 00:22
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1 reply
2023-12-22 00:55
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#273
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal Faydeeeee
bro be real w me for a second, that thing about him offering to bench himself. Like, I believe 100% he offered to bench, but wtf would that result in? It was definitely a shitty solution when he proposed it inside the team and now it's being used to make him look better. You have problems inside your team, you don't agree w one players leadership or role or wtv and then you want to bench yourself? What would that fix? You are one of the key players on the team ffs. For instance, it'd be different if we were talking about cadian offering to bench himself, since they claimed he was the problem and not stavn.
2023-12-22 12:41
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1 reply
"Like, I believe 100% he offered to bench, but wtf would that result in?" How is it not obvious? Stavn had come to the point where he didn't want to play with cadiaN anymore. You don't just come back from that. That leaves 2 options: 1. cadiaN gets benched or 2. stavn gets benched. Heroic made it sound like stavn was just straight up demanding that cadiaN be benched, when the reality is that he (stavn) offered to bench himself (stavn).
2023-12-22 13:15
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they somehow made it WORSE
2023-12-21 22:20
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1 reply
again xd
2023-12-21 23:11
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Yeah right took you long enough
2023-12-21 22:20
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#22
Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Sweden Hasklon
hunden wrote that
2023-12-21 22:21
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3 replies
Haha made me laugh, wp
2023-12-22 01:24
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#186
Faceit level 10  | 
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Poland GOD999999
hunden used chatgpt and a pr team xd
2023-12-22 04:53
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lmao +1
2023-12-22 18:59
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This post brought to you by Astralis PR team #ToTheStars!
2023-12-21 22:22
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1 reply
Hahahah. Don't be too harsh though. They had to work their arses off for 3 monthes to somewhat come up with a half conceivable story
2023-12-22 11:13
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L anyways, no one believes that shit
2023-12-21 22:23
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#129
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Portugal jogetbro
yall really prefer to believe in a cheating org than on stavn and jabbi, crazy
2023-12-22 01:01
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14 replies
flair, as if stavn did not cheat
2023-12-22 01:58
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Would believe it if it wouldnt take decades to come up with a fake story
2023-12-22 02:19
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so Trashtralis never cheat? :skullemoji
2023-12-22 02:46
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3 replies
#304
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Portugal jogetbro
when? are you aware that heroic literally exploited a bug? thats cheating
2023-12-22 16:01
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2 replies
Yeah can you believe Heroic would associate with Hunden? I mean what kind of corrupt org would work with that dude???
2023-12-22 19:05
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1 reply
xD you bodied him. And don't forget ave as well.
2023-12-22 22:01
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So you forgot your favourite org went on to employ and protect the same cheating guy. Do some research and read the hunden files if you dont wanna look like a uninformed fanboy.
2023-12-22 06:13
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#306
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Portugal jogetbro
after his ban got lifted, by your logic liquid is wrong by signing cadian? keep hating on the greatest :)
2023-12-22 16:07
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+1 This is being spinned like crazy. Thing is - Stavn and jabbi are nice and decent guys, which any recorded interview will show. Now someone else says theyre not. Okay, dont believe what you see, take someone elses biased words and start hating like nothing else matters.
2023-12-22 07:28
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4 replies
username checks out
2023-12-22 08:15
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Not saying anything about jabbi, but I think stavns reputation as a nice guy got shot to hell when he slept with swishers girlfriend.
2023-12-22 08:55
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#275
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal Faydeeeee
nice guys can still make poor decisions without realizing how messed up those decisions were. I do believe they are great people, just didn't think this through at all.
2023-12-22 12:42
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1 reply
+1 a couple of 20-year-olds did an unprofessional job of negotiating contracts. It makes for fun drama, but it really shouldn't be that surprising or a big deal (except for Heroic lol rip)
2023-12-22 19:09
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#398
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India vpatel_22
1/8 at best
2023-12-24 09:11
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they followed their heart. LUL
2023-12-21 22:24
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#26
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Sweden extol88
Once a Stabbi or a Stabn, always a stabber
2023-12-21 22:24
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I read everything and I believe them :)
2023-12-21 22:25
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1 reply
#50
Faceit level 10  | 
based | 
World OughtToChange
God have mercy on you
2023-12-21 22:53
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#30
Faceit level 10  | 
Jee | 
Finland akutee
This coming out this late just shows that this is the Astralis pr team talking and not the players themselves...
2023-12-21 22:25
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They ruined their reputation already, ain't nobody gonna believe a single word in that terrible statement they released Would have been better if they stayed quiet
2023-12-21 22:26
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This is called “covering your own ass” as much as you can so you won’t be seen as the snakey rats they actually are. Like Hunden :D
2023-12-21 22:28
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No refunds
2023-12-21 22:28
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yawn. move on
2023-12-21 22:29
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Silence >>>>> this
2023-12-21 22:32
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2 replies
+1
2023-12-22 00:23
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#187
Faceit level 10  | 
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Poland GOD999999
political spin-off like
2023-12-22 04:54
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This doesn't make them look good either xD
2023-12-21 22:33
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Stabbi stabbi stab
2023-12-21 22:33
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To the stars!
2023-12-21 22:33
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#41
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Canada minibeech
"Us 2 didn't conspire to remove cadien. It was the entire team and coaches." lol so that's supposed to be better? Commonly what adults do(not children), if they have issues with someone, they talk to him about it. That's some straight-up tween schoolgirl shit right there.
2023-12-21 22:33
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#55
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Denmark RapAnden
"At this meeting all players and coaches - not only jabbi and stavn - came to a common and final decision to part ways with cadiaN"...
2023-12-21 22:56
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3 replies
It makes no sense. He says people outside the server left so cadiaN had double work and nothing was working inside/outside the server. cadiaN was working pretty well as a leader before, why not ask for staff missing to be fill so cadiaN can concentrate on being the igl again? Why players and coaches, who aligned on his view that the team wasn't working, didn't came to a common decision that changing cadiaN doesn't fix the problem and they need some staff who's missing??? Him trying to self bench and then asking to kick cadiaN makes it obvious that something between them happened and that he forced the team to decide between one or the other, if then the team bets on him and he decides to go to the rival team, doesn't matter if it's the other team the one approaching or not, it stinks, if you want to leave, you go to a team who's not your direct rival.
2023-12-22 00:39
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2 replies
+1
2023-12-22 05:10
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#276
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Portugal Faydeeeee
+1 I think people are forgetting the main point in that they actually had a good team that only needed a few tweaks to maybe become greater. Causing all this chaos for the apparent reasons stated is just ridiculous in itself, no matter if you go to Astralis or another team.
2023-12-22 12:45
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CadiaN himself said that Stavn talked to him about the situation before all this happened. He was open about everything and even told CadiaN that he was thinking about benching himself. I've also watched an interview where Casle said that he's the one who requested Astralis to get Stavn and Jabbi. Anyways, I understand the incessant need to have a villain/somebody to crucify in all this. Too bad it's two kids who didn't want to stay in a project they didn't believe in and their organisation vilified them for wanting something better for themselves. And btw, Heroic took down their post about this situation.
2023-12-22 00:32
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8 replies
+1
2023-12-22 01:59
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They said that they wanted to leave before and than they approached Heroic and made them choose between the 2. all of it was part of the plan. how are people so blind to see lmao. they're still scums and this statement changes almost nothing.
2023-12-22 02:25
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You didn't read the whole paragraph. They said they had a meeting all player and coaching staff and all agreed on removing Cadian and they were in for new project until they found out that Heroic also wanted to have new project for Cadian which means Heroic were trying to Fraud Jabbi ND Stavn into staying. This was also poorly handled by Heroic
2023-12-22 05:32
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Why agree on removing cadiaN if the problem was staff removed, according to his first part that made the life outside and inside the server frustrating, maybe the players and coaches should decide to hire a new analyst, psychologist or whatever, instead than wanting to kick their igl and leader, isn't? We don't know either if Heroic wanted to keep cadiaN after knowing they both wanted to leave to direct competition or not, according to his tweet Astralis contacted them later, according to Heroic it was the other way around. But if you remember at that time, rumors and leaks pointed like they were already in contact with Astralis when everybody was trying to know were cadiaN would go. It looks like there's things in the backstage that we will not know and doing this tweet months later and with some contradictions doesn't help.
2023-12-22 14:15
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So what I say it's poorly handled business decision by Heroic and Astralis
2023-12-22 18:01
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#161
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Poland BAN_ANIME
what post? the tweet from them is still there
2023-12-22 02:35
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2023-12-22 07:48
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And casle was removed less than three monthes after they joined for his good services Thank you stabbi 😂
2023-12-22 11:20
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backstabbi back at it
2023-12-21 22:35
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#43
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Spain Marshall_D_AdreN
uh ? why would have heroic removed them if not for an astralis offer after removing cadian? the excuses dont make sense
2023-12-21 22:36
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1 reply
+1 heroic wouldnt just bench/remove two top players if there was not something fishy going on.
2023-12-21 23:40
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Sure
2023-12-21 22:41
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I wonder what will cadian and heroic respond with
2023-12-21 22:50
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Just remember, rlewisreports is cooking. This statement is just an effort to get out ahead of it. Classic corporate PR move. Just waiting to find out what really happened now!
2023-12-21 22:51
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1 reply
+1
2023-12-22 11:20
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AI wrote this shit
2023-12-21 22:55
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The very fact that it took them so long to answer says it all, not even their mother believes them anymore.
2023-12-21 22:54
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Sounds like business is business
2023-12-21 22:54
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Believable, 100% honest and true /sarcasm
2023-12-21 22:55
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#56
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Finland ristonen
sure i believe you
2023-12-21 22:58
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Admitting you were a snake and having better attitudes with teammates/Org > This
2023-12-21 23:01
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Heroic always lie as an org. Lies on hunden scandal, and making lies to ruin stavn and jabbi reputations when they decided to part away with the team. Looks like heroic just being salty that their best players goes to the rival org. I bet if stavn and jabbi went to another org, heroic would definitely make a peace and happy statement on parting away with them
2023-12-21 23:06
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#64
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Germany sh1ny97
+1
2023-12-21 23:07
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+1
2023-12-21 23:44
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That's not something you can lie about and get away with. The allegations on stabbi duo made by heroic org is quite serious and brings in question the dus profesionality. I'm not the expert in law but I they could easily sue heroic was slander. The benching of cadian felt shady as he was never a problem and it seemed to have been done with no real plan to replace him properly.
2023-12-22 00:06
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#122
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Tunisia LenkonFTW
Then why did they remove that twitter post (not sure seen it in a comment above ) .
2023-12-22 00:47
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1 reply
#159
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Poland BAN_ANIME
what post? the heroic tweet is still up
2023-12-22 02:33
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#134
Faceit level 4  | 
FalleN | 
Brazil dungahk
I honestly think Heroic deleted to avoid being sued, or maybe jabbi and stavn made a deal with Heroic to delete the post and then they wouldn't sue them, because even if everything that Heroic posted was true, I'm sure they couldn't prove them, so it would be an easy job to sue them and win
2023-12-22 01:17
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2 replies
#160
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Poland BAN_ANIME
#159 though? or is there different tweet
2023-12-22 02:34
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1 reply
#284
Faceit level 4  | 
FalleN | 
Brazil dungahk
you are correct, I honestly didn't check, trusted my fellow colleagues on HLTV saying Heroic had deleted the post, they haven't! That is interesting, IMO if stavn and jabbi haven't done what Heroic has stated in that tweet, then they should sue Heroic, because that has damaged their careers for sure, if they don't do anything about it, it just makes Heroic look correct in the situation
2023-12-22 13:22
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Yeah, because Astralis has no history of lying themselves 😂😂😂
2023-12-22 11:21
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#62
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Armenia VirtusNo
Not even reading that since its just a bunch of Made Up words
2023-12-21 23:06
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5 replies
All words were made up at some point..
2023-12-21 23:44
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4 replies
#258
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Armenia VirtusNo
There are common words like standard english - These we're made up a long Time ago, so long ago that everyone uses them - and then there are made up words, describing facts that you would consider real words stringed together that may individually make sense but in the context of what is the truth, these are Made up and not correct as in they do not reflect what really happened.
2023-12-22 11:30
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And we do not know what did happen .. we know some elements but being Astralis fan set aside I trust Heroic just as little as Astralis in this case.. I just think there is a band waggon trend at the moment to trash Astralis org for what is hardly anything but 2 good signings (on paper) and how can people hate on Stavn and Jabbi for taking chances at a far better team when it comes to winning majors Heroic had their shots and blew em and I get with a major in Copenhagen you wanna be at the place where the chance lay and in my world that is with device. And Cadian obviously got a good deal out of this his paycheck is higher in Liquid for sure and if he truly loved Heroic so much he would forgive and stay so got no sympathy for him really but do respect what he managed to do with Heroic And honestly you just know posting this you get the 99 pct morons that answer instead of the few ones who may see things different but can argue civilized bout it those I will respond to ;) much like you I think actually.
2023-12-22 19:49
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#380
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Armenia VirtusNo
didnt read
2023-12-23 10:22
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1 reply
Fair enough
2023-12-23 11:17
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#63
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Other KittyVN
love this PR text
2023-12-21 23:07
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HLTV do you have any shame left? publishing this as news lol
2023-12-21 23:17
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6 replies
It is a danish site off course they're gonna make a news article about two top 20 players and the drama involved with the two biggest danish counter strike orgs. Lil bro did you not get the memo.
2023-12-21 23:29
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wdym cs drama is fun
2023-12-21 23:31
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4 replies
this one sucks, remember when snax went to facebook to shit on his teammates for not being able to get 1.0 rating xd? or k0nfig doing mma? that stuff was hilarious
2023-12-21 23:47
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3 replies
Don't remember first one. Was it during VP days? As for second one I was actually a bit sad about konfig coz I thought his career is ruined. But it's kinda forgotten now and just became a meme so it's all good
2023-12-21 23:56
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yeah hltv.org/news/21544/snax-i-am-done-with-.. "The times had changed, most teams have stars, rarely anyone gets ratings below 0.80 and in our team rarely anyone goes over 1.00 rating. Let's hope experience the boys have after 17 years of playing CS will finally show. I hope neo has rested after not being IGL for over half a year. :)" edit: also this part lol: "my IGL-ing was to make neo perform better who was supposed to focus on playing and make it better, but it didnt work out it looks like."
2023-12-22 00:10
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1 reply
Yeah that's toxic af, especially considering that was put on public. I guess at this time team was just falling apart because of poor results and inner conflicts, so he didn't bothered with being nice
2023-12-22 01:46
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ok stabn
2023-12-21 23:18
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#73
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African Union NotZazir
ruin your reputation speedrun edition
2023-12-21 23:25
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Nah, I don't believe that.
2023-12-21 23:26
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#76
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Finland Siika
saisko suomennettuna?
2023-12-21 23:28
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1 reply
Kaksi kiloa siikaa kiitos
2023-12-22 08:47
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Stabbi here's some quick tip for ya so MAYBE, just MAYBE people will believe ya So the tip is: Cry on the fkn camera ayyyyy lmaooo
2023-12-21 23:31
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Stavn threatened to leave. Dude has been garbage for a while now. Org caved in to his demands. Lame as fukkk
2023-12-21 23:33
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thank you HLTV team for translating their statement from snake language
2023-12-21 23:35
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Asstralis PR writing their 60021st shifting the blame letter.
2023-12-21 23:36
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#88
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
NEO | 
Poland ScR1337
Pr bullshit
2023-12-21 23:43
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#91
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
910 | 
France pheno71
L
2023-12-21 23:44
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Heroic have taken their statement down Does that scream credibility to people? Not saying Stavn and Jabbi are without flaws in this saga but do not pretend Heroic have been saints
2023-12-21 23:46
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3 replies
idk about actual heroic management but the guy running their twitter should find a real job
2023-12-21 23:48
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#98
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African Union NotZazir
twitter.com/heroicgg/status/171715070466.. they didnt? oh of course youre danish, 100% astralis fan spreading misinformation lmao
2023-12-21 23:57
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#116
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Poland BAN_ANIME
they didn't though?
2023-12-22 00:27
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stabbi trying to drag down sjuush and TeSeS down with them...
2023-12-21 23:51
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1 reply
+1 B*tch move Trying to make a waste of what's remaining of Heroic and sjuush/teses's friendship with cadian
2023-12-22 11:25
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#100
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Denmark Skwerky
there are contradictions in this statement. . x2 snakes in the grass and we all now how astralis handle their business. i call bullshit !
2023-12-21 23:59
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1 reply
Not to mention the three monthes delay so their creative team could come up with this horsesh*t
2023-12-22 11:26
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#101
Faceit level 10  | 
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Ukraine Lud0_
Stabbi, would've been better for you boys to stay silent, this constructed pr bullsh*t isn't gonna make anyone believe you, just make things worse
2023-12-22 00:05
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stabbi and botvn have investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing
2023-12-22 00:12
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They should’ve stayed quiet
2023-12-22 00:12
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A bit too late
2023-12-22 00:21
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#113
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Honduras vzrvzr
idk if theyre innocent or whatever. still stabbi deal.
2023-12-22 00:23
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hahah good luck with stabbi asstralulz
2023-12-22 00:25
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astralis shady org heroic shady too cadian got fucked by his team. hope both teams will fail but thats ez if you have baitf in the team
2023-12-22 00:26
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1 reply
Heroic will fail 100% but as much as I'd like astralis fail too I don't think it's possible considering they have 4 top 20 players now...
2023-12-22 07:17
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Wow this statement is ass
2023-12-22 00:41
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make a video and cry a bit so it'll be a heroic classic =)))
2023-12-22 00:51
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Cool story stabbi bros, honestly expected better reading from Astralis PR team after 2 months of work on 2 A4 pages of text lmao
2023-12-22 00:52
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#131
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Japan SleepSpeed
This smells like a lot of crap because of this: "when they learned that the organization was perhaps planning a team around cadiaN" Yeah, that's why they let him be immediately snatched by Liquid. Stoopid stabbi 4Head
2023-12-22 01:13
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#133
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Taiwan Arkam47
It gonna be hard for people to believe even if it's true as they are so young and their vindication came so late.
2023-12-22 01:15
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#135
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Australia Beard43
A bit late but I guess the PR team over there at Astralis has a lot on its plate and it takes time to fabricate a good story, which doesn't really explain why this story took so long. The story basically matches Heroics, how do people think the push to have cadiaN removed worked? So everyone agreed, I mean, did anyone think they didn't convince the team it was the way to go? Then in the next breath they say that at a hint of possibility of cadiaN staying they looked to Astralis. Sure sounds like the team definitely all decided to remove cadiaN together and it definitely wasn't two people in particular pushing for it. LOL
2023-12-22 01:20
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#136
Faceit plus user Faceit level 10 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Poland Astoner55
So they say one thing, Heroic says another thing The truth is probably somewhere in the middle ;)
2023-12-22 01:21
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1 reply
the thing is, they don't really contradict heroic, they even kinda confirm heroic statement
2023-12-22 13:26
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stabbi and stabn until the end of times. Two anorexic freaks who betrayed their captain, instead of talking their issues out like grown up men.
2023-12-22 01:41
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#141
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Portugal Joaoman73
Heroic is a scummy org, not that hard to believe in this
2023-12-22 01:45
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#144
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China AdaPt3R
considering what asstrashes had done in the hunden incident, it is really hard for me to believe that the stabbi duo had “no prior knowledge of Astralis plans and no SIGNED future plans”
2023-12-22 01:50
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They literally confirmed it all, what a bunch of ...
2023-12-22 01:51
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So heroic as an org lied? I don't think so buddy
2023-12-22 02:05
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#152
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Netherlands Lasarius
if the entire team decided to bench CadiaN why would they be building a roster around cadian that makes no fucking sense
2023-12-22 02:10
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chatgpt says K
2023-12-22 02:14
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#154
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Philippines sijibats
Even when you "clear" things up with cadiaN, you still stabbed heroic
2023-12-22 02:17
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so is like karrigan the only trustworthy dane or whats up?
2023-12-22 02:19
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#183
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China AdaPt3R
plus dupreeh perhaps
2023-12-22 04:42
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Damn I never realized that but you're right ahah Former heroic : cheated Astralis : recruits hunden Device : leaves his team for a gold digger Zonic and Magisk : leave the current best team for Saudis money bag Kjaerbye : leaves astralis for north (💀) Stabbi : kick cadian and then leave heroic What the fuck danes hopefully karrigan and Dupreeh aren't utter piece of 5#1¥
2023-12-22 07:26
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lol i meant it as a cheap punchline but wow there are even more backstabbers than i thought. dupreeh, xyp9x and karrigan better not have skeletons in the closet lol
2023-12-22 15:50
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Yeah I don't believe any of this shit lmao
2023-12-22 02:32
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Nice try Stabbi
2023-12-22 02:36
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#166
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Yugoslavia hexxor
esports being esports
2023-12-22 02:45
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Why should I believe this over cadian?
2023-12-22 02:58
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sounds bs
2023-12-22 03:12
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good thing cadian is in liquid now and gone from these snakes :)
2023-12-22 03:20
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ok lmao
2023-12-22 03:27
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''We signed with Astralis right before BLAST Fall Final, when Astralis and Heroic finalized a transfer agreement. We had not made any agreement with Astralis ahead of that date" well that's just not true
2023-12-22 04:13
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#179
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United Kingdom iiGold
The amount of time it's taken for this response, screams PR team, it's a bundle of words to manipulate people, if they were not at fault this would have come out much quicker and sooner to save their reputation.
2023-12-22 04:07
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#180
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India skyl4rk
Proved that he is indeed a Lund
2023-12-22 04:11
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AI generated statement
2023-12-22 04:21
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idk man...
2023-12-22 04:54
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Stabn is the biggest fraud ever
2023-12-22 05:02
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#191
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United States Dug
this pretty much confirms heroic's version of the story. They had decided to move on without cadian and were going to search for a new 5th. that kinda implies agreeing to sign an extension since their contracts were going to to be expire the next season. signing with Astralis before blast finals... well duh, they were under contract. can't sign another contract while still under one with another org. adding this sounds like they're trying to hide that they were in contact with Astralis and probably made verbal commitments.
2023-12-22 05:17
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#198
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Indonesia ivanovky
I think Astralis poached them after cadian benched and Heroic personnel mentally in non stable condition
2023-12-22 05:49
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So much contradiction in this statement it effectively means nothing. The story that has been conjured up by the community until now still stands IMO.
2023-12-22 05:24
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Doesn't change anything imo. If you are not planning on staying with the team then why tf do you have an opinion (or space to have an opinion) on who to kick and who to keep. Makes no fucking sense, they are still back stabbers in my book!
2023-12-22 05:31
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Well, atleast flavour of the month isnt bashing Cadian anymore, and the howling masses now have a couple other punching bags to vent their frustrations on. Any thoughts on who will be the next in line?
2023-12-22 05:45
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Funny how this made a news article…. What about Swisher statement when he got cheated on???
2023-12-22 05:56
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2 replies
#221
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Norway TheDEA
Did his partnerr cheat on him or was it like a open qual cheating incident?
2023-12-22 07:50
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1 reply
#231
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Europe pro_lapse
Swisher’s gf opened qual for her pussy and stavn was the best performer
2023-12-22 09:22
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#201
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Europe LastBlast
-staer+accilion igl cuz blame poor igl? stavn support , blame stabbi carry
2023-12-22 06:11
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"Our performance staff have made a plan to support their potential return to starting line-up. We are open to discussing transfers to organizations" This 2 sentences of heroic's statement explains it all. You plan to keep them on active roster and next moment you are open for discussion with other orgs. And the header reads " stavn and yabbi moved to bench." Heroic shady af
2023-12-22 06:29
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#206
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
BnTeT | 
Indonesia rareguy
Reading between the lines: - It's true that stavn and jabbi were unhappy with the current state of leadership. And of course they will discuss this with other players other than cadiaN. Two of them even considering stepping down by themselves. - cadiaN found out about that after being told, and the big round table meeting was held. - Either stavn and jabbi step down or cadiaN. Both of them can't go together. The conclusion was cadiaN stepping down, stavn and jabbi stayed. - Perhaps around this time stavn and jabbi got approached (not yet agreeing to anything) by Astralis the possibility of moving there. Of course looking at the removal of cadiaN, the then roster was pretty much unstable. So they nodded and informed Heroic about this. (not yet "accepting") - Heroic read this as a snake move by Astralis, attempting to poach their players while simultaneously exploiting the current internal conflict in Heroic to ease the poaching process. That's why they implied in the statement to have a more "professional approach" in snatching their players. Of course Heroic also upset at stavn and jabbi because without this shenanigans they could have let them go to Astralis without removing cadiaN. - Astralis probably reached to Heroic and do negotiation as normal. - And the move was concluded, until this new post.
2023-12-22 06:47
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In cadiaN's mini docuseries he says that Stavn called him and told him he wasn't happy with the way things were going in Heroic and he was considering moving things in another direction. He even told CadiaN he was considering benching himself as everything was being sorted because he didn't feel the same joy playing with him. He also told CadiaN that he felt the captain was too harsh when correcting mistakes. So, no, CadiaN didn't find out during the meeting with the players, coaches and management. I also know that cadiaN started talking about changing things in the team immediately after they lost to Astralis in Cologne. In his post match interview, the second question he answered, though he said he was gonna address it with the team first before talking to the media. You remember they didn't play well in ESL Pro League as well and didn't even make playoffs. IMO things were bad already in Heroic and it's okay for Stavn and Jabbi to consider exploring other possibilities. I've also watched an interview where Casle said he's the one who asked Astralis to get him Stavn and Jabbi. I think/believe that Astralis contacted heroic about Stavn and Jabbi after the org announced they were parting ways with cadiaN. There's a huge time gap between when CadiaN was benched and 25th October, when Heroic first talked about the Stavn and Jabbi situation.
2023-12-22 11:46
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#313
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
BnTeT | 
Indonesia rareguy
First paragraph, correct, as I wrote that after cadiaN being told about it (by stavn as the "player representative"), the meeting with board was held. Second, I do think that the cause of their poor performance was those small conflicts caused by some harsh feedbacks. I can imagine how passionate cadiaN can be that it became a little rough for the youngsters. About the timeframe, it's kinda funny to think that if Astralis actually wanted stavn and jabbi way before this cadiaN removal was concluded, and when they want to sign them (around year end when contracts usually expires) there were conflicts that, perhaps, they also didn't know AND coincidentally the conflict was initiated by those two lmao
2023-12-22 18:10
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CadiaN said that Astralis had been trying to sign Heroic players for a long time but the team rejected them everytime. He even said that the players were not happy about Kasper, their performance coach, moving to Astralis. I don't quite understand your third paragraph but I would imagine that Astralis approached the players and org (Heroic) to inquire about Stavn and Jabbi's availability after cadiaN's benching. They took advantage of the turmoil in Heroic at the time imo. These are both danish orgs, they know what's happening in each other's camps. Plus Kasper is already in Astralis, I would imagine he still has friends in Heroic who would get him insider info. Like telling him things aren't going well in Heroic and Stavn is considering moving things in another direction. Anyways, Heroic management fucked up when they chose to let CadiaN go. If I was in that situation I would choose one or two riflers going, instead of the captain who's also IGL and AWPer. It's sad that Heroic management didn't believe in cadiaN after all he's done for the org.
2023-12-22 22:43
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So do Heroic management just not want to keep their players and go out to lie that they made agreements with Astralis? And it was written pretty clearly that they were presented the offer on the 29th, then "INFORMED" heroic that they wanted out. If Heroic were in talks with astralis already, why do they have to inform them? Now it even sounds like tampering. Astraloss fans are just braindead meathead stupid bitchh bitcch at this point I can't be convinced otherwise.
2023-12-22 22:25
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You obviously have comprehension problems so I'm not going to engage you.
2023-12-22 22:51
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Not going to engage, just going to have some personal attack to feel better about yourself. No worries.
2023-12-23 09:58
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Most sane take of the situation
2023-12-22 13:33
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- Perhaps around this time stavn and jabbi got approached (not yet agreeing to anything) by Astralis the possibility of moving there. Of course looking at the removal of cadiaN, the then roster was pretty much unstable. So they nodded and informed Heroic about this. (not yet "accepting") In their "own" statement they say they accepted Astralis proposal and asked Heroic to facilitate their transfer to Astralis (by the end of September)
2023-12-22 13:33
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#316
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
BnTeT | 
Indonesia rareguy
Yes they "accepted" but haven't signed anything so basically a nod. The most interesting thing is, most likely the meeting on 18th of September was where the meltdown and miscommunication occurred. I'm sure that the language that they use was kinda vague that what Heroic understand was "let cadiaN go and we'll stay, or else we (stavn and jabbi, supported by the others) don't want to play" - and implication that letting cadiaN go will seal the deal of stavn and jabbi committing to stay. stavn and jabbi weren't really signing and "agreeing to commit to anything" at this point as Heroic put the trust on what they said. And then Astralis was not in a good shape, and looking to rebuild its roster at the end of September. Of course they will approach every single Danish talent including stavn and jabbi. Thinking that they weren't really tied to Heroic in paper, they thought that "eh, this is maybe good" - not considering that their words on the meeting contains more weight than they think. Hence 4 weeks after that, the Heroic post.
2023-12-22 18:30
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couldnt care less
2023-12-22 07:03
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How long did it take? If this were true it would have been much sooner
2023-12-22 07:04
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Exactly this. If they just said the truth it wouldn't have taken 2-3 fucking months to express it lmao
2023-12-22 07:29
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Does the truth have a shelf life? How soon are you supposed to speak before your truth expires and becomes a lie? Also, I've learnt that people don't really care about the truth, especially if it's from somebody you already made a villain.
2023-12-22 18:20
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not convincible
2023-12-22 07:26
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so they wrote this after so long time this and we have to bealive them? NO WAY just another prove that these kids are totaly clueless outside CS, coz if they would be smart they would write this max week later or remain silent
2023-12-22 08:44
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Well, first you have their Heroic contracta stating, you can foulmouth your employer, like every damn workplace have. Then there was the period with Astralis - Heroic talks about Astralis buying them out. If Jabbi and Stavn starts spewing out stuff, it could ruin the whole process and leave them teamless. After Astralis aquiring the two players, a massive amount of work comes to place. Photoshoots, PR work and let alone all the work in order to get them into the team and ready to play in Betboom Dacha. They haven't had much time on their hands to put it out, now there is a player break ans they got more time to sort it out. I would have expected it to come out no sooner than january.
2023-12-23 02:04
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#409
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Europe yommamas
>Dane moment
2024-01-02 08:00
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Stabbi and stabn
2023-12-22 09:34
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Once a rats , always rats .
2023-12-22 09:55
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Too late, stabbi
2023-12-22 10:07
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too little too late stabbi and stabn i will enjoy every single failure to the maximum
2023-12-22 10:13
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my only question is: did they do the interview in parsel language
2023-12-22 10:17
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#241
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Germany BRUHNS_
huh? So they all together decided cadiaN should go and a week later - out of nowhere - heroic decided to also bench these two and lie about to the public before Astralis even reached out to stavn and jabbi? I dont know, bro.
2023-12-22 10:19
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FR like contacting with astralis on the 29th but heroic foreseen it and made a statement on the 25th. I sure buy it, completely factual statement from these boys.
2023-12-22 22:20
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#347
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Germany BRUHNS_
I dont get why they dont just come out and say "look guys, we fcked up. we didnt intent for all this to go that way. we are sorry and it will not happen again." because I dont believe they had malicious intentions. I think they were unsatisfied with cadian. then the whole contract thing came up and during that time Astralis knocked on the door and they took the opportunity to play for the biggest Danish org with one of the best CS players to ever live. so heroic benched cadian and they changed their mind and wanted to go to astralis.
2023-12-22 22:37
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It still feels like they played games with Heroic and cadiaN.
2023-12-22 10:43
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#250
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Germany Sol1taire
I stand with Jabbi and Stauvn here
2023-12-22 11:12
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What an absolute clusterfuck. Nobody won in this whole ordeal that’s for sure. Heroic messed about in negotiations and lost both Stabbi and Cadian. Astralis gets more negative PR that it doesn’t need right now for two players that arguably might not even pan out too well (role conflicts or egos). As an Astralis fan, these are trying times to stay loyal
2023-12-22 11:26
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stabbi: "committed" to heroic after they agree to remove cadian and keep the others also stabbi: "we never said we would extend contracts?" stabbi: we have not contacted astralis also stabbi: we expressed to heroic that we were interested in transferring to astralis vague statement that is confusing, is not chronogically order, twists the words of the org and paints themselves as victims...
2023-12-22 11:39
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They put this out there for anyone wanting to blindly believe that they did nothing wrong. Anyone giving this any thought sees that its very much not looking good for stabbi
2023-12-22 11:41
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#265
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Kasidro
What a load of horse shit
2023-12-22 11:54
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-September 13th stavn proposes to remove cadiaN from roster. -September 14th the whole team agrees and 4 days later they decide to remove adiaN and bring in new fifth. -September 29th Astralis approaches the duo allegedly for the first time -September 30th the duo requests transfer to Astralis -"when Astralis and Heroic finalized a transfer agreement. We had not made any agreement with Astralis ahead of that date." So they really think we buy the idea of players getting approached by other org and them requesting transfer the next day. Also players refusing to sign contract with current org and among all this "nothing is agreed with the other organization"? I call big smelly BS.
2023-12-22 11:59
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FR like I'm sure heroic management just made up a story about astralis and these rats on the 25th, poosted an announcement about it for their liking. I bet it must be hard to write something that makes sense with this timeline, took months already. They ain't JK Rowling
2023-12-22 22:18
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2 young GOATS
2023-12-22 12:30
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#269
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Germany noirGG
idk if this statement is any better than the rumors xD they basically confirm the rumors between the lines
2023-12-22 12:34
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Did you read anything? It diverts in a lot of small differences, which change alot. The org shitting on their players, the players with contracts not being able to answer to that publicly, total shitshow. I don't wanna say they are right and heroic is not - but IF it's true, what they say, it's way less stabbi than claimed.
2023-12-22 13:28
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Why? They asked to bench cadiaN and they will commit to the team or bench himself and then they left at the first offer handled to them. How's that different of what Heroic said?
2023-12-22 14:21
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You mix two groups of "they" in what you just wrote. The first "they" is not the same group as the second "they". The clear as day difference is that Heroic made it seem like the benching was entirely on Stavn and Jabbi. Unless you hear said coaches or players deny this, you can be pretty sure it's the truth that it is the truth. Disdain had built up around Cadian for awhile, Stavn was the first to take it out in the open. The dramatic, but possibly / probably wrong idea is to believe the disdain started with Stavn, when he was merely the guy having the guts to kick off a rather unpleasant discussion
2023-12-22 21:15
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What? The info around is not about cadiaN having disdain, but cadiaN having to do more work than he used to do so the flow on the server wasn't the same, there was frustrations, they performed worst and cadiaN gave feedback on bad manners to stavn, that's why he cried and made the "bench me or him". He talked to cadiaN, but instead than trying to help him or find a solution like asking for more staff to help cadiaN again, he stabbed him making the whole team go against him on the backstage, so heroic had to bench cadiaN instead than him, because it was cadiaN or the whole team. On mid September, that's when all of this happened, there's people reporting playing against full Heroic lineup with only cadiaN missing, before any of this went public or was a gossip, so it's pretty clear that the cadiaN bench was real at mid September. imgur.com/a/HyTc32W Ofc the bench of Stavn and Jabbi was because they wanted to move to Astralis, on Stavn timeline they told Heroic they wanted to leave to Astralis on 30th September while the bench, publicly, was on 25th October. Stavn and Jabbi already told management they wanted to leave and even with the official bench of cadiaN at early October they didn't want to stay, even if he literally told Heroic staff that if they bench cadiaN he will fully commit to the project and he would igl or awp if needed to make it work. Which in Stavn head, translates on I never said I will renew my contract and I'm gonna leave to Astralis without hearing any other offer. It's pretty obvious that probably Heroic explored the option to keep cadiaN, which is normal, but that's the only thing true on Stavn/jabbi side.
2023-12-22 23:45
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You built an entire timeline around believing one side of the story. One very important factor in Stavns explanation is that his story can easily be dis-proven by a single player or coach. He said they all agree. If one steps up and say he didn't agree, Stavns story starts crumbling. Heroic managements story can not be disproven by anyone but Jabbi and Stavn, who are hardly neutral. You can use the logic of scientific theory in this case: If a scientific theory up for a possible approval by the general scientific community can't be dis-proven, it can not be accepted as science, and will automatically be dismissed until a method of proving or dis-proving it arises.
2023-12-23 01:48
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My timeline is based on Stavn story, lol. I don't even care if they decided to move to Astralis before cadian was benched or not, the end is the same. RL already post some people stories from inside both orgs that points on what I'm saying, cadiaN already talked some weeks ago, same with random people like I showed that played against them mid september without cadian. If you wanna believe stavn/jabbi who released a text full of inconsitences 3 months later saying they didn't force heroic to bench cadian and write two lines after that stavn and later the rest of the team agreed on bench cadiaN...it's ok, keep assuming stavn/jabbi are right because "truth always prevail"
2023-12-23 02:17
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I don't believe anyone. I just see someone offering a method of dis-proving, while the other didn't. Using logic, the latter should be dismissed as hearsay, that's it. Their story conflicted with other stories, that's true. But those stories has no method of being proved or dis-proved. You apparently chose to trust those stories, coming to the conclusion that Stavn is lying. You can replace logic with emotions, while still acting like it's logic at work. That's a thriving trend on the internet I guess, a trend I personally try to avoid being part of.
2023-12-23 21:23
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#279
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China halflife2
Cs2 drama of the year.
2023-12-22 13:15
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#283
Faceit level 7 Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
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Portugal dracø
astralis pr does it again
2023-12-22 13:21
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I have to say that Stavn offered a method of dis-proving his statement (the other players and coaches), whereas Heroic management offered none. It should be regarded as a possibility and not be taken as truth for this very reason.
2023-12-23 01:52
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#287
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Nigeria YengSheng
now they try to "blame" the org and the other players and claim it was a group decision :D cadian was the dad of all of them and they just stabbed him like Caesar
2023-12-22 13:32
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#292
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Sweden Yha1z
Dont care traiders their put new dirt on astralis name, hope they make a final and everyone bu’s at them
2023-12-22 13:43
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#296
Faceit level 10  | 
United Kingdom kennyvenom
You guys are far too precious. Just enjoy the new lineups and drama it creates when they play each other. Crying over loyalty etc in a game where people are paid lots of money. Enjoy it.
2023-12-22 14:25
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actual words of wisdom
2023-12-22 20:29
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#305
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Denmark Kon10R
Endless babble on SoMe ... which is ALL these organisations want anyway. 1) Astralis hired some superstar world class players and they may be challenging top5 in 2024 for the first time since the "best team of all f**in' time" split up. 2) Cadian is off to some new exciting adventure with NaF, Twitstzz , Zews and Yekindar. 3) Heroic made some serious profits. Heroic wanted to get rid of the reputation of being "cheaters". Now Astralis are the "bad guyz" in Danish CS. 🤣 It's all just "jaddi, jaddi, jadda", as Pimp would call it. 😁
2023-12-22 16:04
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Aaaand you just added to the speculation you indirectly opposed in first part of your post... Have it ever occurred to you that this whole ordeal started when Astralis replaced Kasper Hvidt With Kasper Straube from Heroic. Great signing btw. Hvidt always had a facade up, his whole act was always reserved and when he spoke, he was careful to use a lot of words to not say anything at all to the press. He should never have been anything but a counselor, as that is what he brought to the team. Pushing players to improve their game by changing their life outside the game, just like regular sportsteam has done for an eternity. Straube is much more hands-on with his approach, and quite a bit younger I guess. youtu.be/8yP8GXb3Nck?t=12 The way he (white hair, sitting behind the players) reacted to this clutch tells me that this guy emotionally invested on a level which makes it easy for him to bond with the players. Something I highly doubt Kasper Hvidt was remotely close of achieving. Signing him as the first, was a very good move. Kasper Hvidt acted in a very thoughtful way....too thoughtful, never, talking to the players like he was a pedagogue at a youth club. He was a great handball keeper, and he was possibly the first person in the scene to push for going all-in on chasing percentages, an idea Zonic instantly took to him as a foundation in his work. Hvidt only did good as a counselor, not as a man in charge. I am confident the players already know Straube better than they ever knew Hvidt, who always had a wall up of some sort. A wall he couldn't bring down, because then it would be obvious to everyone that was on completely foreign grounds. Heroic has now basically become what they initially were formed as. A feeder team for Astralis.
2023-12-22 20:46
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#337
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Denmark Kon10R
Hmmm ... Many interesting lines of thought, indeed! And remember: Gla1ve came from Heroic as well. Together with Zon1c he created the greatest team of all f**in' tme, It's all juzz big bizniz. I don't care much about all that "off server" babble, but I have GREAT expectations for Liquid and Astralis next year!
2023-12-22 21:02
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Obviously, Astralis PR did that, if they truly didn't have anything related to kick cadian, they would refute Heroic accusation right when it happened. Second point, who keeps tabs of the dates of some verbal internal conversations. Either they have some guilt or are making shit up.
2023-12-22 16:36
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I'm sure the heroic management team after deciding to kick cadian just changed their minds after few days to kick 4 danish top riflers and rebuild around cadian alone instead. These retardss can't even write something that makes sense.
2023-12-22 22:14
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You got the most low IQ replies in this thread bro 😭. You're jumping on every comment to just reply with some cringe takes. You def have comprehension issues
2023-12-23 09:29
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I'm sure it justifies your opinion by attacking me personally. Good for you.
2023-12-23 09:56
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Because you didn't call pros you don't even know retards because they wrote something your simple mind couldn't comprehend.
2023-12-23 12:09
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You can't even write proper english mate, try to put commas in next time. I don't expect more from disabled people though, so you're good. Dw
2023-12-24 01:25
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Clowns make $50k/month entertaining people in a circus but here you are doing it for free 😏.
2023-12-24 08:34
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Wow I guess stabbi be paying you to be their lawyer on HLTV? Congrats man.
2023-12-24 09:52
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Just like you're getting paid to be a hater? Go touch some grass dude. And drink lots of water to dilute that bile. It's not healthy. Hydrate
2023-12-24 10:18
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CS Question Who are the only 4 players to do 30 bombs in CS2 so far?
2023-12-22 17:35
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Dude, please let us know. You started a thought in my head, and it wont leave. I am not in the mood for data research.
2023-12-22 20:24
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Ofcource I will tell you my friend it's KaiR0N- NiKo jL acoR These are the only 4 players to hit 30 bombs in 1 map so far in CS2
2023-12-22 20:44
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Thank you my friend I think you forgot to say "within regular time", which is just a slip up I guess.
2023-12-22 20:47
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Yeah that's a good point in regular time only without overtimes thank you for pointing that out it's important.. because to hit 30 bombs with MR12 format it's pretty impressive
2023-12-22 20:52
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#311
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Mongolia k0ng0
All i could read was Brutus.
2023-12-22 17:38
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PR move nothing more, snakes. Even I would have replied instantly instead of leaving it to the wild guesses of everyone.
2023-12-22 18:22
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it takes time to write a story that would make sense and not sound like total BS (it still does but) and abstract all the things behind the scene
2023-12-22 22:13
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The HLTV Community is just a few 12yo with different account hahaha My brain hurts after reading some of these comments!
2023-12-22 18:31
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#326
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Germany sh1ny97
+1
2023-12-22 20:11
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#325
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SPUNJ | 
Malaysia nameless121
Not reading
2023-12-22 20:01
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A ton of users wasted their hate , choosing to base it all around a single tweet from Heroic management. They seem overly malleable IMO, instantly judging on data which fits into the quite popular "hate Astralis" idea they carry as a loaded gun. All they want, is for them to fall, so whatever team they like seem relatively better,. Childish & arrogant but stupid to think you know the whole picture of anything when all you was presented was small, possibly broken, piece of the picture.
2023-12-22 20:22
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+111111
2023-12-22 20:28
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If you go around looking for dirt on anything you will find it. If you only look for dirt and ignore everything else about the subject, you will end up with a data pool of dirt, which you will use to form your opinion. Richard Lewis is world class champion at finding dirt, while completely ignoring everything else. This eventually created an arrogant but foolish person who judges everything based on data he himself chose to chase. When you research anything, you have to consciously put aside your confirmation bias, or you will end up creating a narrative with a lot of missing pieces. It's simply bad research to not put it aside, simple as that.
2023-12-22 20:56
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ye, try to explain it to people who are not even interested in comprehending a piece of info more complex than a tiktok video
2023-12-23 01:09
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So, if this was a collective decision and cadian was involved, why was he "surprised" as said in the interview before leaving heroic? He also decided to not speak on the matter, and being the open guy he is, what conclusion should we draw but that there was some bad blood? I don't see how this clarify anything at all. This could have been put out a month ago and maybe I will buy it. And imagine how a management team would choose to build with cadian and release 4 top riflers in denmark, after deciding to bench him just days ago. Here you are "choosing to base it all around a single tweet from stavn", shooting yourself in the foot.
2023-12-22 22:12
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Did Cadian specify what moment he was initially surprised? This is important, as various time stamps relating to events have various possible explanations. He did not use the word "shock" or anything like that. He used a word with much less emotion attached to it. If Stavns story isn't the truth, Just one has to come forward, and Stavns explanation crumbles. It's natural that it was Stavn who would be the first to bring up such a touchy subject. It's called speaking up for others, and is often done by the strongest individual within a group to protect others. Stavn has been his right hand for years, so I doubt he has been much of a target of the harsh leadership style. Should he just sit back and watched his other teammates getting flacked, not having the balls to bring the subject to the table, or should he speak up for them? They might have realized that the ship was sinking, and they decided to throw someone overboard hoping it would keep the boat afloat. That's quite logical. But you would rather support a claim which can't be proven or disproven, just because it fits your narrative of being a hater. Oh my, work on your confirmation bias mate, it fucks up your logic. I am sorry dude, but you missed some obvious logic in this matter. Especially the one insinuating that Stavns story is a lie. Stavn is not a professional marketing guy, that's the Heroic twitter guy....
2023-12-23 01:07
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I don't think you get the point. It's who you trust and it's an internet debate. Because these stories conflict, someone has to be lying and it's just up to you to trust whoever. I go out on this thread and question people why they chose to trust this tweet, every logic is flawed in this story, so just stop being a smart ass and you'll see there's no truth in either story. Most probably all of them are lying in some sense that will twist the story to benefit them.
2023-12-23 10:18
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You completely skipped the part about proof or dis-proving. You seem to believe anything which fits your narrative, and dismiss anything which doesn't. You basically replaced logic with emotions.
2023-12-23 21:14
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Basically everyone on the internet. Tell me stavn's story does not sound shady at all
2023-12-24 01:22
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Now you are using the same tactic. Write something which is impossible to prove nor dis-prove. Secondly, the truth is not up for vote, that's not how it works dude.
2023-12-24 04:07
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you miss a point here. the real issue is trying to bring morality into a trivial breakup of an esport team. it's very normal to fuck things up in high pressure environment like pro cs once in a while, similar stuff has happened to multiple teams in the past. the truth is: heroic players got mad at each other and the roster collapsed. the rest is irrelevant, it's tabloid-tier shit witchhunting particular players is beyond pointless and harmful for the scene
2023-12-23 01:16
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Sure but I just find it funny to try to expose internet stories, why would I care nonetheless, it doesn't bring back one of the most fun team in CS. I understand it's hard to just swallow the frustration but if you communicated in a way that rubbed everyone the wrong way, you should be held responsible. Believe it or not it's someone's job you're taking and threatening the brand that others are putting in hours to build.
2023-12-23 10:21
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So far you exposed nothing. You come up with completely unproven claims to back up a narrative you seem to already have decided on pursuing. You aren't trying to get to the truth, you are trying to make people as convinced as you are, without a shred of logic attached to your claims. I hope you don't apply the same type of non-logic to your job/school when doing assignments.
2023-12-24 04:11
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+11111111111111111111
2023-12-22 23:40
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#407
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Europe yommamas
>wasted based on this nothingburger defense? They couldn't even come up with something good and they had plenty of time
2023-12-29 16:31
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The Heroic accusation was 100% hearsay without a shred of chance to check the validity of the accusation., Stabbi at least provide opportunities to check their story from third party.
2023-12-31 14:37
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#410
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Europe yommamas
:D :D : D:D :D :D :D :D ::DD both statements are on the same level that regard. Only one difference. The Heroic one makes sense
2024-01-02 08:09
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- Any neutrals who can confirm or deny Heroic managements statement? No - Any neutrals who can confirm "stabbi's" statement? Yes (other players & coaches) If the players/coaches are covering for "stabbi" they can surely be pressured by the management to tell what really happened. "Making sense" is a highly subjective term and can't really be used in a discussion on it's own as it's nothing but a placeholder for an argument. IE, why does it make sense. Proffeseur & others talked about that stavn and jabbi should let it go. Without addressing that it was Heroic who started washing their laundry in public, and once again, I must stress that they haven't proved anything at all, nor served a method of proving their statement.
2024-01-02 12:01
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It all reads like bullshit tbh. I get that it is a PR statement even if they did nothing wrong there would probably be a PR person who writes or at least reviews it. So, they got what they wanted out of management, but refused to sign contract extensions. They claim they never said they would, but that seems almost obvious. If someone gives you everything you asked for why not sign that contract, unless that isn't what you actually wanted. Then they state they didn't have anything signed with Astralis beforehand, but legally they couldn't sign anything beforehand. It would be nullified by their previous contract which they were still under. They keep saying no "signed" future plans, but they don't say hey we didn't make a backroom deal with them verbally to cause drama in an attempt to get removed from the team so that they could transfer more quickly and perhaps more cheaply. And this is already a known thing out of Astralis' playbook. They've contacted members of Heroic's org in the past before they were allowed to and not only that but it wasn't just to steal a member of the team, but to steal their strats too lol. Weren't they fined for that too? Also kind of funny that they overpaid for the duo. 2 Million for those two sounds more like trying to keep them quiet than a reasonable buyout considering before all this I don't think anyone would have paid even a million total.
2023-12-22 22:31
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That's why cadiaN is saying exactly otherwise? bs. 2 rats
2023-12-22 23:38
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No respect for them and astraluls
2023-12-22 23:41
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#355
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Germany sh1ny97
dust2.dk/nyheder/42881/saa-meget-ville-a.. Richard Lewis has delivered another well researched article. Based on the article, my understanding of the situation is: 1. Astralis hires Straube because he can get better terms. Stavn is unhappy that Heroic hasn't done enough to keep him 2. Stavn (and Jabbi) think Cadian is going to take up too much space and want him removed. Heroic wants to give him a chance to deal with the criticism and improve, but they night. However, Stavn offers to both play AWP and last IGL if necessary 3. A Heroic source says that Heroic also considered keeping Cadian in order to buy the Ence core, but it is more expensive and the Falcons get them first. Later in the article it is stated that Heroic very quickly decides to go international 4. Stavn and Jabbi persuade the other two to go against Cadian 5. Astralis lowballs Heroic with a low standby bid, but Heroic makes the famous statement, after which interest and price increase. A source says that Heroic wanted to impose a predatory tax on Astralis just to make things worse for them 5. The last point is that Heroic has had some shady ownership and some conflict of interest that the tournament organizers are skeptical about. Therefore, there is a risk that they cannot play in all tournaments. He should have particularly taken care of staff when the Danish star's brother, Lifedance, took his own life, and it was therefore a big blow for special staff when he chose to replace Heroic with Astralis. according to the sources, stavn should have been unhappy with the Heroic management that they did not do more to keep Kasper Straube. After Straube's change, cadiaN took on several of the roles and tasks that Kasper Straube had previously carried out, and this was supposed to be the root of the staff's frustration with his team captain.
2023-12-23 00:00
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#360
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China Jimmyzera
yeah and who is stupid enough to believe these clowns
2023-12-23 01:27
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#365
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
f0rest | 
Europe monsterdog
Denmark are definitely the kings of drama, france and brazil are nowhere close.
2023-12-23 02:26
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#366
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Russia moonrock
I hope devve leaves this trashcan of a team and finds one that he deserves
2023-12-23 02:35
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That's the best you can do Astralis? For real?
2023-12-23 02:41
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Hl tv adding one more award segment. Drama of the Year 2023 award goes to S & J
2023-12-23 04:43
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#369
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
Sweden Soltis
Liquid vs Astralis gonna get spicey. Hoping Cadian will school these little kids, just a slick AWP ace or a knife kill on Stabbi, that would do it. Oh yeah, fast response guys, not at all a bullshit statement.
2023-12-23 05:31
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People think they can be greedy selfish and not care about others and still loved lol this generation
2023-12-23 06:50
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#373
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Germany phillo283
It would be more realistic if siush and tesses had ever said the same things. But they are still there and even played the Fall finals with cadian. I still think, that stavn and jabbi were a little bit louder on cadians good bye then the others. Anyway, liquid will kick heroics ass anytime, anyhow, anywhere.
2023-12-23 08:53
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... So 2 months after the fact, THIS is what Astralis PR could come up with? A lazy mess of a non-statement that can easily be disproven by asking sjuush or teses 2 yes or no questions. This really was as dirty as Heroic described. Rat org, rat players. Fuck Astralis.
2023-12-23 10:06
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zeus moment xd Jabbi and stavn like seized and starix nowadays. betrayal will never be forgotten. RIP stabbi career. gg.
2023-12-23 15:42
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WE always stand with stavn <3
2023-12-23 19:12
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#388
Old school: User been here for more than 10 years  | 
United States erokmofo
Astralis and Heroic both been shady orgs for years, quite the reality TV drama going on here
2023-12-23 20:39
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#389
Faceit level 10  | 
molodoy | 
Finland la_costena
the bold and the beautiful of cs
2023-12-23 20:51
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#397
Faceit level 9  | 
Singapore floofy1
2 months to plan a statement that isn't entirely facts and mixed in part with truths and leaving out bad points and still they couldn't make it look entirely good on themselves. If stabbi and stabn didnt do rat things they'd have came out instantly with the truth when the allegations were hot and fresh. This just meant that they had some things to hide and had to twist some words to make everything look better.
2023-12-24 08:43
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#406
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Europe yommamas
+1
2023-12-29 16:26
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Stabbi.. Liers..
2023-12-24 14:05
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their side of the drama can be described with just 1 word : snakii
2023-12-25 15:29
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#403
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African Union NotZazir
chatgpt written statement lookin ass
2023-12-25 15:47
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#404
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Serbia amsai
Cap, like yea, go with the org that signed the dude that made you cry and piss yourself on camera. He should continue crying, that way he can practise recording vids for when astralis get exposed for scummy practises. no legacy for scumbags, enjoy your future stabbi
2023-12-26 14:45
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#405
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Europe yommamas
This is literally the weakest cope, it doesn't address anything. They needed this much time to cook This???
2023-12-29 16:26
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