SK top EM Group B

3-3-2010 21:27

SK Gaming have been assured of a place in the semi-finals with a 16-3 thrashing of compLexity.

After beating Na`Vi earlier in the competition, SK depended only on themselves to finish at the top of their group, and they managed to deliver as they comfortably moved past compLexity 16-3.

WeMade FOX, who made easy meat out of Meet Your Makers, beating them 16-1, only managed a third-place finish after watching Na`Vi claim a 16-9 success over Ravens.

The tournament will now advance to the relegation stage, where fnatic will take on WeMade FOX, whereas mousesports will meet Na`Vi.

GO WMF!!

2010-03-03 21:27

GJ SK!

2010-03-03 21:27

didn't Na'Vi take 1 place? - round difference?

2010-03-03 21:27

14 replies

www.hltv.org/?pageid=216&eventid=501

2010-03-03 21:29

1 reply

navi - best result in group stage so sweet

2010-03-03 23:18

No, because SK beat NaVi.

2010-03-03 21:29

9 replies

Eh Mira, who is wmf's opponent in next stage, mouse or fnatic, do u know? As far as I know EG and SK are directly in semi-finals, am I right?

2010-03-03 21:31

3 replies

It's written in the last paragraph. Also matches added.

2010-03-03 21:32

2 replies

Nice i found u. Could u answer me when i can expect my money i won yesterday at 21.30?

2010-03-05 09:29

thank u very much:)

2010-03-05 09:36

All due respect to you Miraa, I think SK gaming taking 1st place is BS, Navi deserve better. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the round-differences was the no1 priority when deciding the team placing? Also, #60 post is pretty interesting, I think you(everybody) should take a look at it. I'm a little pissed of, I don't post often, but seeing this upset me a little bit. Competition is where ones compete with another with fairness and respect (whether it's sports or video games wise), and this clearly shown none of that.

2010-03-03 22:08

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Kind of late to bring this up now. If you're newschool I can tell you ESL have been running with this rule for quite some time.

2010-03-03 22:40

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aint no school like the oldschool :p

2010-03-03 23:54

oh, NAVI obviously the best freaking team in gruop B, theres no Doubt about it,... thenbut Whatthefeuk?! SK is the 1? gg gg gg gg gg gg gg gg gg ggg gg ggg

2010-03-04 09:05

that "Because" dosent tell me me anything BEcause WMF beat SK as well, but NAVI has waaaaay better round difference

2010-03-04 09:19

Since there was a draw between na'vi and sk their game was taken as a method of undrawing.

2010-03-03 21:30

SK won against Na'vi

2010-03-03 21:30

expected, good luck guys!

2010-03-03 21:27

sad for Na´Vi

2010-03-03 21:28

I thought round difference was the decisive factor before looking at the match between the two teams... but well. GJ SK.

2010-03-03 21:29

2 replies

More fair like this.

2010-03-03 21:30

1 reply

True.

2010-03-03 21:35

nvm :D already read post below )

2010-03-03 21:30

3 replies

they look at SK winning against NaVi, so RD don't care (shitty rule imo, RD goes first -_-) edit: 2fast4me :P

2010-03-03 21:31

2 replies

More fair as SK won against Na'Vi.

2010-03-03 21:33

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well if SK had played all 30 rounds againts coL they could have gotten a better R.D :)

2010-03-03 21:55

GO WemadeFOX

2010-03-03 21:30

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+1 :D

2010-03-03 21:31

dumb rules, if you are playing 30 rounds per match, u should first take a look at roud diference, if theres a TIE between POINTS and RD, u should look at who won between this two teams

2010-03-03 21:30

8 replies

Fully agree

2010-03-03 21:31

Well the teams doesnt even play the last rounds serious...and it is more fair like this imo.

2010-03-03 21:33

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yea but teams don't set the rules... so if the first team reaching 16 rounds win, why should they play 30 rounds, if later on are useless... it's boring and a waste of time =p

2010-03-03 21:43

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They aren't useless, what if there's a threeway tie.

2010-03-20 14:12

Why is it dumb? the best team in the group finished first.

2010-03-03 21:35

Agree.

2010-03-03 21:39

tottally agree whats the point of round difference then? why they played all 30 rounds?? mmm :S

2010-03-03 21:50

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They play all 30 to use RD more fairly if needed. In this case it isn't necessary as SK beated Na'Vi.

2010-03-03 22:10

@_@

2010-03-03 21:30

GG Sk. Now the Real Job begin for EACH team who play for semi final spot.

2010-03-03 21:31

so mouz vs navi and wmf vs fnatic relegation

2010-03-03 21:31

Okay that's plain weird. In football, they measure with goal difference. Why play 30 rounds then?

2010-03-03 21:35

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They, in a lot of cases, do not.

2010-03-20 14:13

fucking MYM failed... Na`Vi to take it all!!

2010-03-03 21:32

You play 30 rounds and the point of that is to have the best round difference and overall score But when the the bigger organisations such as SK doesn't come out on top they change it. Fucking hypocrites, money rules... This entire scene is a fucking joke tbh

2010-03-03 21:35

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haha you think SK told them to change the rules now?

2010-03-03 21:34

7 replies

They did it because its SK, thats how it goes, and they don't even have to ask. Or didnt you know that money and influence rules?

2010-03-03 21:36

6 replies

haha you are so stupid

2010-03-03 21:37

4 replies

Yeah, that is exactly what most people on this site thinks of you. Go make more of ur usual clueless comments now.

2010-03-03 21:44

3 replies

hahhahaa fool

2010-03-03 21:51

2 replies

you're fanboy that's why you talk bullshit.

2010-03-03 22:08

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OK thanks!! now i know!!!!!!!

2010-03-03 22:09

agree!!! this was a extrange move by ESL

2010-03-03 21:54

Get a fucking clue, rules are rules and SK fucking won against Na'Vi.. so they deserve the first place more anyways..

2010-03-03 21:36

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You should get a fucking clue, they happen to win a game, so? It could have just been the other way around, but this is EXACTLY what happens when the most influential organisation don't come out on top There have never been a tournament in this game without complications, just shows how incompetent this scene and the ones involved are, both players and organizers. But then again, your'e a skfanlol, so why bother?

2010-03-03 21:41

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:)))

2010-03-03 21:54

This would've been the SAME if teams were reversed. The rule was decided before they even started to play... I don't know why you're starting a conspiracy bullshit about a team having more influence... Na'Vi had to beat SK and didn't. Given the win, they'd be first. Simple as that. Refer to post #116.

2010-03-03 23:42

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BUT why the fuck does 30 rounds needs to be played then? Round difference doesent count anymore? what kind of newschool Noobishj system is this I swear there was a time where winning was clear and easy as day and nigth., now looosers become nr 1 and the winners nr2 this suck

2010-03-04 09:09

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Because there could still be a three-way tie or SK could've played 15-15 against Na'Vi... This system isn't new, it's been used for long in both esports and athletic sports.

2010-03-04 10:38

Really surprised to hear such things from Swede. Cheers, man!

2010-03-03 21:48

Ehhh... no. "3.20 Ranking The Ranking is primarily decided with regards to the number of points that a participant has amassed during the season. A participant will earn 3 points for winning a match, and 1 point for drawing a match. The below ranking priority will come into effect if 2 or more teams are on equal points. • Points amassed between the participants themselves ('Mini-League') • Round/map-difference between the participants ('Mini-League') " Directly out of the Season 4 Rule book. Notice "Points amassed between the participants themselves". SK won their match against Na'Vi, meaning they got 3 points, and Na'Vi got 0. Also notice that round difference is not prioritized first. It's not strange, it's not weird at all. It's standard.

2010-03-03 22:56

I think it is fair that SK first, because they beated NaVi. And it seems that ESL use this rule for a long time, so here is nothing to talk about.

2010-03-03 23:10

mouz vs na vi will be close fnatic win against wmf (although wemade fox played well today fnatic is the better team on paper and should win :) )

2010-03-03 21:33

HAHA what a stupid competition they play all rounds each match and then they told us round average doesnt matter so why did they play those rounds OMFG ??????????????

2010-03-03 21:34

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RD will be used in case: A WON B B WON C C WON A AND 3 TEAMS HAVE THE SAME POINTS.

2010-03-03 21:36

this is suxx!!!whre is round difference?=\ stupped system...=\

2010-03-03 21:34

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TRANSLATE PLZ : /

2010-03-03 21:36

sucks for coL

2010-03-03 21:35

2 replies

they r not that great w/o hero. they might be one of the top teams in US but they will never be considered a top team globally unless they bring a stronger lineup

2010-03-03 21:37

Good luck next time. :o

2010-03-03 21:38

wow thats dumb. Then whats the point to play all 30 rounds when the biggest decider is the match between the tied teams?

2010-03-03 21:35

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Maybe that is why teams do play the remaining rounds after winning less serioulsy knowing that in case of tie it does not matter much.

2010-03-03 21:39

Anyway its more fair like this..you cant argue with that...SK won over Na and have the same amount of points so they deserve the top spot.

2010-03-03 21:36

hehe I predicted both EG and SK to top their groups. :D

2010-03-03 21:37

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I did too :D

2010-03-03 21:39

Sounds fair to me, the best team got the first spot. SK won against Na'Vi so they deserved it.

2010-03-03 21:37

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sounds fair to swedes only if you look at the comments man.

2010-03-03 21:41

3 replies

Get over it, SK won against Na'Vi ;)

2010-03-03 21:49

Well most people think its abd just because the they played all 30 rounds so they dont understand....but do you really think that Na deserves the to win the group when they have the same amount of points that SK have ? when they lost to SK? you cant say that they are a more worthy winner.

2010-03-03 21:55

Unbiased Swedes like Arke didn't agree on this lame results as well. :) It should be determine by points > RD > who beat who It's very simple. 1)Team with most points will be on top. 2)If two or more teams are tied on points, it should be determined by Round Difference (RD) 3)If two teams are tied on points and RD, it should be determined by the match outcome of the two said teams. 4) If two teams are tied on points, RD, and the match between the two teams, a replay match should be played as decider.

2010-03-03 21:57

zasun' svoi "deserve" sebe v jopu! v pravilah takogo net, tak chto zavali ebalo!

2010-03-03 21:57

So why do they play 30 rounds then?

2010-03-03 21:38

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2010-03-03 21:51

In case of a triple tie. Seriously, is it that hard to understand? Two teams in top spot with the same amount of points. SK beated Navi, so why the hell should navi be first? Jesus christ get a clue you guys

2010-03-03 23:02

yay at least one top group i got right :D

2010-03-03 21:40

a little bit suprised how 1 man(gux) can change the whole team

2010-03-03 21:42

Only Navi worthy first place

2010-03-03 21:43

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How can you say that? SK just beated Na'Vi a few hours ago..

2010-03-03 21:51

6 replies

So what? WeMadeFox beaten SK, so WMF is worthy then?

2010-03-03 21:53

5 replies

I can answer in advance for him jahvel says: blablabla SK <3333333!!11!! b3st teeeeeam of woooorld

2010-03-03 21:57

No because they have not the same amount of points as SK or Navi...wake up.

2010-03-03 21:59

3 replies

You're not gettin' it...

2010-03-03 22:01

2 replies

I am gettin it

2010-03-03 22:03

It's the fucking rules, they are same for every team. Get over it..

2010-03-03 22:03

2010-03-03 21:51

How can you say that they ar more worthy ??i just dont understand? SK have the same amount of points as them but they won over Na....So you think Na is a more worthy winner because they got more rounds then SK in other matches? hmm strange but ok.

2010-03-03 21:57

5 replies

You're the strange one here (as usual) Are you blind or just too dumb too not notice that 90% posting here thinks it's a wierd decision?

2010-03-03 22:00

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90% are eastern european allso.

2010-03-03 22:04

Haha ?? are you serious??? im not saying that it isnt a weird decision!! whats you problem?? i can even agree that this is bad when they have played all 30 rounds in the groupstage....but i STILL feel that SK is a more WORTHY winner....just because the simple fact that they won over Na and have the same amount of points as them....i dont think Na deserve the win more just bacause they got a few more rounds in other matches... thats irrelevant for me.

2010-03-03 22:06

That doesn't make him wrong.

2010-03-03 22:12

u just make a fool of yourself.. if those are the rules wth do u want? have u seen any navi manager or player complain about it? dude get a freakin life..

2010-03-03 23:43

something is wrong here, they should round differnece take on the biggest priority. Why teams plays 30 rounds then? And SK win with Na'Vi but they lose with WeMadefox and Na'Vi won with wmf.

2010-03-03 21:48

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2010-03-03 21:51

Then what? Only two teams are tied in points, therefore you check direct confrontation, it's common practice, get over it.

2010-03-03 22:11

I think SK will win this tournament.

2010-03-03 21:54

unfair, Na Vi deserved the top spot. stupid system they got there man.

2010-03-03 21:56

7 replies

it is correct, when 2 teams have the same points the rule is direct confrontation, when three have the same points it is by round difference.

2010-03-03 22:04

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maybe for this event but for example in soccer, in a league or something RD (it's not really RD but you know what I mean) determines which team gets the upper hand when they have the same amount of points. this applies to other sports as well of course

2010-03-03 22:10

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That's right. It's the most logical thing to do.

2010-03-03 22:13

Bullshit, all soccer tournaments and cups (excluding leagues, but IEM isn't a league, it's a cup) prioritize points obtained in games played between the teams in question, and not just points obtained overall. This system has been used throughout the IEM season and has been in practice several times.

2010-03-03 22:44

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Still that doesn`t make it the correct one. I mean, why the hell play all 30 rounds if there is no freaking point.. Just a waste of time. And that is why I hate ESL and their rules, mother-ucking hypocrites that only care about money. Those are the people tearing apart this game and all that is stands for. DESTROY THEM!

2010-03-03 23:15

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there's a point, if for example sk and navi would have tied, thats how they would untie.. its not that hard to figure..

2010-03-03 23:40

Why is it so outrageous now that this favors SK instead of Na'Vi ? What if Na'Vi had beaten SK but had a lower RD ? Would this debate even take place ?

2010-03-03 23:46

Tomorrow Fnatic will destroy WeMadeFox Navi have very good team / Edward and starix - perfect Aimers, such as Guxx and Neo / markeloff - great awp / Zeus - nice captain / Esenin - perfect help player. So Navi will win mouz 2-1 by maps

2010-03-03 21:58

Sk and EG are automactly in the semi final?

2010-03-03 22:01

2 replies

Yes and mouse vs. Na'Vi and fnatic vs. WMF

2010-03-03 22:05

1 reply

ok ty

2010-03-03 22:06

go navi

2010-03-03 22:03

COol

2010-03-03 22:03

as4me everything is clear, SK beat NaVi, so they deserved 1st place, if WMF had won against coL....

2010-03-03 22:03

1 reply

even if SK beat NaVi, NaVi beat wmf and Sk lose with them. NaVi vs EG final please.

2010-03-03 22:12

My fav team is out so.. I'm rooting for fnatic and Na`vi tomorrow. =D

2010-03-03 22:05

SK is strong now with their new player and they will at least go to the finals. They will win in a bo3 against wmf, for sure.

2010-03-03 22:14

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Honestly, SK looked anything but strong against WMF on nuke. Sure that they afterwards smashed coL but still this line-up just as the previous one(s) shows some irregular matches.

2010-03-03 22:45

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1 bad match in 5 shows some irregular matches? Can't agree with that :f

2010-03-03 23:09

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I am not referring to this competition only but in general when referring to irregular matches thus 1 out of 5 is acceptable to me as irregular match. To me the match on nuke versus WMF looked like somehow a "bracket", especially when watching the team play again much more fluent against coL. And I do not expect that sort of "bracket" from a considered top team ;)

2010-03-03 23:21

Wow, check this out www.hltv.org/?pageid=183&eventid=501

2010-03-03 22:19

gg SK =)

2010-03-03 22:21

lol, I just did read some of replies swedish kids wrote in this website, why dont u guys just say loud SK and FNATIC are BEST in the world? now I just wanna see other teams, no matter what teams will be, beating SK and FNATIC up. why? I wanna see swedish kids crying.

2010-03-03 22:24

haha i guessed both group winners right. EG and SK :D

2010-03-03 22:40

fucking hell I bet on EG and NAVI for that 9h competition :/

2010-03-03 22:44

1 reply

quite unlucky :)

2010-03-03 22:53

Americans out. Well done.

2010-03-03 22:50

3 replies

Dude you should love the Americans, they invented "war"!

2010-03-03 23:17

2 replies

I for one love your soft ice cream in Greece. God I miss it. :/ <3

2010-03-03 23:30

Don't be like that, their president got Nobel Peace Prize :)

2010-03-04 00:59

Sk did some stupid small mistakes during their game vs WMF as Navi vs Sk) But rules are rules and i only wonder what the point of 30 rounds in this case (only rare situations when 3 teams have equal points or two teams have a draw in their personal fight)). Really think that Navi played with some fear and poor decions as T tactic-wise and that is the point of their lose

2010-03-03 23:04

GuX pwned all! <3

2010-03-03 23:05

Come on Natus. :D

2010-03-03 23:29

Are the rest of the matches being played tomorrow? or is the grand final on friday?

2010-03-03 23:56

GO SK!

2010-03-03 23:58

Go SK go NAVI!!!

2010-03-04 00:38

Navi, I hope will leave on EG Then will be very well

2010-03-04 00:39

VAMOS SK-gaming

2010-03-04 00:59

LOL@Me, I had voted Ravens to top the group. Not only they are nowhere near it, but they are the last to finish :O

2010-03-04 05:34

GG SK n1 <3

2010-03-04 06:19

whatever everyone says, SK are very strong now. disposition in top of the world could change.SK could change it.

2010-03-04 06:47

wow, regardless of who you go for, EVERY MAJOR COMP uses this format POINTS then HEAD TO HEAD then ROUNDS FOR AND AGAINST (WCG / ESWC / KODE5 / DREAMHACK / EM) in the case of a 2 way tie, of course Head to Head is the way to go, if its out of SK and NaVi who really cares how much you smashed col by. When it becomes a 3 way tie, you have to use rounds, because often its scissors paper rock thing, A beats B B beats C C beats A A 3 way tie is the only reason why competitions use full 30 rounds. HEAD to HEAD IS ALWAYS the preferred option.

2010-03-04 06:57