SK versus H2k to be replayed

10-4-2010 13:21

The match between SK Gaming and H2k Gaming in ESL Pro Series Nordic II will be replayed as two SK members used the illegal net_graph function.

Originally, the match was played on the 6th of April where SK triumphed out of the match, leaving H2k defeated with a 16-2 score. Post match it was discovered that two SK Gaming members had used net_graph 3, which is not allowed in ESL Pro Series (or IEM).

There is no direct rule about net_graph in the ESL Pro Series rulebook, it does however say that net_graph has to be set to 0, listed at 6.2.3 The Configuration in the rulebook.

A team can be punished by a maximum of six penalty points and the norm is also that a match is to be replayed, if net_graph can be seen in the screenshots. The match has been rescheduled to take place the 14th of April.

Regarding Dreamteam, old data cannot be removed and we cannot put the rematch in, as it could give an advantage to people with players from either team. So the rematch will be ignored by Dreamteam, that is the only way to do it.

Omg this is really silly.

2010-04-10 13:22

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true

2010-04-11 01:51

omg...

2010-04-10 13:22

wooo i was suprised.

2010-04-10 13:22

shame you sk!!! :D

2010-04-10 13:23

Who are they?

2010-04-10 13:23

Kinda sad about the dreamteam situation. Now you can fix it for this kind of situations yeye. Carebear about the match really.

2010-04-10 13:23

hahaah spawn watching screens ? -.-

2010-04-10 13:23

HAHA SO silly omg

2010-04-10 13:24

imo you dont get any advantage if net_graph is displayed can you?

2010-04-10 13:24

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i heard something about a guy that bugged a hack inside the system with using net_graph

2010-04-10 13:26

There can be advantages taken from net_graph 3, therefore it is banned. Even though you can't turn an entire match using it, rules are rules.

2010-04-10 13:29

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hahaha tell that to huggan :D Try playing against his smoke online (:

2010-04-10 17:16

the values change when an ennemy is near you.

2010-04-10 13:32

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its true that the values change when an ennemy is near you. but i think that in reality this is not practicable...in the other hand, SK team knows that cant use net_graph 3.

2010-04-10 14:37

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some ppl actually use it this way quite efficiently

2010-04-10 16:18

i know about net_graph 2, if you stay still the white line wont move, and if you switch weapon or something, the white line will start shaking, so you can see on white line is something close is moving... thats cheating ^_^

2010-04-10 13:32

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what's the diff with net_g 3 ?

2010-04-10 14:35

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read the posts above

2010-04-10 14:40

you recieve huge "packets" when enemy is near.

2010-04-10 13:33

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negative energy lol

2010-04-10 13:50

considering i have an eye at the net graph, who is nearby, who is to kill him if he comes out?

2010-04-10 14:54

it's a german league... the germans will do absolutely anything to get the upper hand, unfortunately ruining it for everyone in the process :(

2010-04-10 14:21

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lol?

2010-04-10 14:27

dumbest thing i ever heard

2010-04-10 14:34

this is definately a problem when 2 swedish squads compete..

2010-04-10 16:08

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if you'd have read what I said, you'd understand. :)

2010-04-10 19:54

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ahhh, are u in fact suggesting that the rules have to be in place for pesky germans who'll do anything, not involved with the match? i see now

2010-04-10 19:57

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you're dumb. the rule "net_graph 0" was put in place, because some Germans were using it to give them an advantage in CS, when someone was on the other side of the wall / close to them, more packets were sent/recieved due to more information being rendered... thus this rule was set due to some german's doing anything they could to get the upper hand. this in turn ruined it for everyone, because due to those certain people no-one is now allowed net_graph. Alas, your "point" is complete retarded. If you re-read what I wrote, you'd understand, although judging that you've got this far without realising, I highly doubt it. Good day, sir.

2010-04-10 20:03

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im completely understand the point but u confused me quite a lot by jabbering about what "you wrote before", when thats the earliest post of yours in the thread.. i think we're both on the same page we just dont know it

2010-04-10 21:48

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let's agree to disagree :D <3

2010-04-10 22:19

rolfed hard hahaahah

2010-04-10 13:25

l00000l people just never learn

2010-04-10 13:28

LOL....

2010-04-10 13:29

net graph stats go up when you're close to an enemy (even if you don't see him)

2010-04-10 13:29

very funny!

2010-04-10 13:30

Forum fighters everywhere!

2010-04-10 13:35

its just a standard rule..why these "pro" players can't follow it...wastes their time and effort if nothing else....

2010-04-10 13:38

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It's because ESL is only organization that forbids this command and players are just not used to it.

2010-04-10 13:56

Its not just a standard rule. Atleast not here in sweden! Played the arctic cup open (Prequalifier for ESWC) and all the players HAVE to use net_Graph 3 to make sure we use no sprites,32b and alot of other things aswell.

2010-04-10 14:53

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hmm thanks for clarifying :) I didn't know that keeping it on is necessary in some leagues

2010-04-10 17:18

Anybody remembers PG vs n!faculty furore over this?

2010-04-10 13:38

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i do all blamed N! fuckin morons, this news owns those idiots haahha so funny

2010-04-10 13:49

i do ... lol match !

2010-04-10 13:50

cheaters!

2010-04-10 13:39

Heh, well, remove my - value for Pronax and I will be happy! :P

2010-04-10 13:48

oh cmon... sucks!

2010-04-10 13:50

ban permamently

2010-04-10 13:50

rofl, how can net graph affect the gameplay anyway, faggots.

2010-04-10 14:02

PLEASE BAN SK!! This fault is unforgivable!

2010-04-10 14:04

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hahaha for sure!

2010-04-10 14:29

agree

2010-04-10 14:36

walle and allen had net_graph 3

2010-04-10 14:07

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Why is this even not allowed :S ?

2010-04-10 14:20

Hahaha, well i think they will lose again no metter what :) But lets watch again :D

2010-04-10 14:09

I still dont understand why this isnt allowed, it does not affect the gameplay :s

2010-04-10 14:09

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it does, for example there are some doors, and an opponent stays behind it, and you are in front of that door, the nº will increase in net_graph. (If the guy isnt there the nº will be lower) so it helps.

2010-04-10 14:12

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Lol, a lot of effort for 1 kill, and he will probably be killed for that extra 5 secs that it takes to look at the net_graph.

2010-04-10 15:59

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I just wrote one example, there are meny more situations. It's illegal because it may help you in game, so...

2010-04-10 16:56

since it happened many times in past, those who use net_graph now should lost the match, simple...

2010-04-10 14:09

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yes I bet SK and everyone use it alot

2010-04-10 14:49

ahahahaha smart team :P they must do this match again... sk never will be the same team like when spawn play there... gogogogo h2k

2010-04-10 14:10

OMGGG

2010-04-10 14:22

why the hell cant they use net graph 3???

2010-04-10 14:25

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when the values goes up that means a enemy/team mate is close is said.. ive tried it but i couldnt see it... so its STUPID shame on h2k

2010-04-10 14:31

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it's not H2k to blame. Sk players in my eyes abused their game settings. I think now H2k should go for a forfeit win, and Sk must be banned out of competition.

2010-04-10 14:44

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lololol omg so radical... they won 16-3 ou 16-4 omg it certainly was not a win because of net_graph... the rematch is fair but still, ban them is too harsh 'cause they rapped h2k down ... no net_graph can do that -.-"

2010-04-10 15:29

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it's not that Sk won 'perhaps' fair by their tactical or skill, because for as I saw that match Sk was stronger. BUT ... we never know if this was fair because of 2 wrong configs. net_graph is one of the worst and stupid things to abuse during matches. Therefore my opinion is radical but honest. And I hope ESL will do what they would do against any other team without the letters 'Sk' in it.

2010-04-10 16:17

#41

2010-04-10 14:32

AHAHah, yerstarday on arbalet cup three of them (Gux, allen, walle)use it.

2010-04-10 14:25

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everyone uses it on lan i guess

2010-04-10 16:32

It's funny net_graph is banned in ESL but used to be required in CAL.

2010-04-10 14:26

omg. this is so stupid, so what if they used net_graph 3 its doesn't give any advantages or anything like that........ BORRING

2010-04-10 14:27

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who is stupid you think when you say it doesn't matter. This is illegal sh*t and a reason for banning Sk out of the competition.

2010-04-10 14:46

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banning for net_graph from competition? :) you must be retarded

2010-04-10 15:04

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nope just honest

2010-04-10 15:10

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no, just retarded...

2010-04-10 20:57

This sucks. I'm using net_graph 3 becouse it's really helpfull, i know what my ping is, how many fps i have, choke, loss. WhyTF it's illegal?!?!

2010-04-10 14:41

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#41

2010-04-10 14:45

ESL are quite strict. There are commands provided in their own GUI that are illegal in ESL EPS matches.

2010-04-10 14:48

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STRICT? I think when they are strict ESL will punish Sk with maximum penalty points. BUt hey... o i forgot.. the owners of Sk are also shareholders of esl isnt it?

2010-04-10 14:54

so H2K were tiered...but now..SK is =DD BARBARR and hyvlarn should rape SK!! =D

2010-04-10 14:49

So basically I have ran net_graph 3 since 2004 because of CALeague....

2010-04-10 15:18

H2K SECOND EPIC_FAIL...first were on WESGG where h2K protestet match vs EG, H2K BRA WORK,I think u guys get killed on any another swedish LAN by EG and SK ;]

2010-04-10 15:19

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YOU READ THE WHOLE STORY DUDE? STFU? AND WES SUKS TBH! It was the inconsequent behavior of WES admins that gave h2k a ban. OMG! yes a ban for nothing! respectless towards nice teams and orga;s. Boycot WES!

2010-04-10 18:21

SK will win again :)

2010-04-10 15:21

What about the dreamteam points? Will they be reseted?

2010-04-10 15:24

0.0

2010-04-10 15:29

Allen and Walle use net graphhha

2010-04-10 15:39

stupid rule. damn

2010-04-10 15:40

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not stupid at all..

2010-04-10 16:31

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not stupid #41

2010-04-11 09:09

well this certanly sucks :)

2010-04-10 15:42

anybody knows why net_graph 3 is illegal? it's so curious for me :D

2010-04-10 15:44

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#18

2010-04-10 16:18

#41

2010-04-10 16:20

Sk sucks fucking hard

2010-04-10 16:27

People, before posting AGAIN "WHY NET_GRAPH IS ILLEGAL?" please take your time and read the comments above that took 15 times of repeating the same answer.

2010-04-10 16:36

Fnatic playing so bad today

2010-04-10 17:37

I agree with that. Is it useless? maybe. Will this change the result? Probably not. You must simply enforce your rules with full hardness. EPS is not a children's circus.

2010-04-10 17:46