ESL replies to Russian protest

 

Today it's time to bring some light into the darkness of the ENC match between Russia and Portugal last Sunday. There are several rumours and false information circulating; therefore we want to share our point of view about the match and the problems.
On Wednesday, 7th of April the admins opened a protest for the specific match to hand over some general information to both teams. Those information included a link to the rulebook (even if it is linked in the menu of the ENC website), the default date (13th of April), deadline of the match, map choice etc pp. Until the 12th of April there was no reaction at all from anyone involved in this match, but on this day Portugal stated that they couldn't play on the default match date and therefore asked to reschedule the match to any other date within the week. Later in this day we informed both teams that they have to agree on a new match date till the end of the day.
On the actual default date of the match, Portugal once again tried to get in contact with Russia and stated that they are unable to play. Later I tried to get in contact with Russia as well because so far they never posted in the protest stating what they wanted to do. During the time of the default match time at 20 CET nobody was online to discuss anything. Due to no reaction from Russia at all, this could easily be handled as no-show. But as both teams weren't available at the default date, we decided to just give Russia 3 Minor Penalties as they never posted anything in the Protest nor were they online during the default match time. 
One hour after the default time, Russia posted in the protest that they were ready to play the match (but obviously they weren't online during the default time, so I don't know how they were ready). In this post they also agreed to play the match on Sunday and suggested 20 CET as no time was suggested by Portugal before. After that we forced the match to Sunday, as both teams agreed on the day, and told both teams to agree on a time.
After some discussions they tried to reschedule the match again to Monday, which was after our deadline and therefore not possible. Right after we told them that it's not possible, both teams agreed to play on Sunday at 22 CET.
It is true that Portugal was a bit late on Sunday, but to keep up a good level of fair play the admin still tried to find a fair server where both teams have an equal ping. After several testings both teams couldn't agree on a server and therefore the admin picked a French server where both teams had the most equal ping. 
Portugal handed in an official protest about illegal settings within 72 hours after the match and therefore within the protest period. We checked this and found out that one of the Russian players used net_graph during the match. The usage of net_graph will be punished with penalty points and a rematch (You have seen before that several matches had to be replayed due to net_graph). 
Therefore we told both teams that the match has to be replayed and that the default date and deadline for that is Thursday at 21 CET unless both teams agree to play the match earlier.
As you all know, Russia made a big statement/protest about the match on Monday night. After we reviewed their points we also decided that Portugal will get 6 Minor Penalties for being late and a warning for other rule violations. It was the first time on Monday night that Russia complained about those things and therefore we did not punish these rule breaks before. An official protest is always needed. Additional to that, with the public statement Russia broke our rule “2.4 Non-disclosure of internal information” and therefore they will receive three additional minor penalties. 
To mention the match between Spain and UK as well, one of the UK players forgot to re-start his Aequitas (ESL Anti-Cheat Tool) before the match and therefore he didn't use it during the match. That's why the match has to be replayed as well.
I hope that everyone can understand the situation a bit better now and that we will see some more great, exciting and fair matches within the ASUS European Nations Championship.

Two days ago, Russia's ENC team manager handed in a protest against Portugal as he found their match was not fairly forfeited. The ESL has now replied to their protest.

On the 18th, Russia and Portugal faced off in the fourth qualifying round of the ASUS European Nations Championship, where Russia came best out with a 2-1 score. Portugal filed a complaint according to the configuration clause, and ultimately the match was forfeited.

Tournament director, Alexander "crtmN" Nehr, has now replied to their protest:

Today it's time to bring some light into the darkness of the ENC match between Russia and Portugal last Sunday. There are several rumours and false information circulating; therefore we want to share our point of view about the match and the problems.

On Wednesday, 7th of April the admins opened a protest for the specific match to hand over some general information to both teams. Those information included a link to the rulebook (even if it is linked in the menu of the ENC website), the default date (13th of April), deadline of the match, map choice etc pp. Until the 12th of April there was no reaction at all from anyone involved in this match, but on this day Portugal stated that they couldn't play on the default match date and therefore asked to reschedule the match to any other date within the week. Later in this day we informed both teams that they have to agree on a new match date till the end of the day.

On the actual default date of the match, Portugal once again tried to get in contact with Russia and stated that they are unable to play. Later I tried to get in contact with Russia as well because so far they never posted in the protest stating what they wanted to do. During the time of the default match time at 20 CET nobody was online to discuss anything. Due to no reaction from Russia at all, this could easily be handled as no-show. But as both teams weren't available at the default date, we decided to just give Russia 3 Minor Penalties as they never posted anything in the Protest nor were they online during the default match time. 

One hour after the default time, Russia posted in the protest that they were ready to play the match (but obviously they weren't online during the default time, so I don't know how they were ready). In this post they also agreed to play the match on Sunday and suggested 20 CET as no time was suggested by Portugal before. After that we forced the match to Sunday, as both teams agreed on the day, and told both teams to agree on a time.

After some discussions they tried to reschedule the match again to Monday, which was after our deadline and therefore not possible. Right after we told them that it's not possible, both teams agreed to play on Sunday at 22 CET.

It is true that Portugal was a bit late on Sunday, but to keep up a good level of fair play the admin still tried to find a fair server where both teams have an equal ping. After several testings both teams couldn't agree on a server and therefore the admin picked a French server where both teams had the most equal ping. 

Portugal handed in an official protest about illegal settings within 72 hours after the match and therefore within the protest period. We checked this and found out that one of the Russian players used net_graph during the match. The usage of net_graph will be punished with penalty points and a rematch (You have seen before that several matches had to be replayed due to net_graph). 

Therefore we told both teams that the match has to be replayed and that the default date and deadline for that is Thursday at 21 CET unless both teams agree to play the match earlier.

As you all know, Russia made a big statement/protest about the match on Monday night. After we reviewed their points we also decided that Portugal will get 6 Minor Penalties for being late and a warning for other rule violations. It was the first time on Monday night that Russia complained about those things and therefore we did not punish these rule breaks before. An official protest is always needed. Additional to that, with the public statement Russia broke our rule “2.4 Non-disclosure of internal information” and therefore they will receive three additional minor penalties. 

To mention the match between Spain and UK as well, one of the UK players forgot to re-start his Aequitas (ESL Anti-Cheat Tool) before the match and therefore he didn't use it during the match. That's why the match has to be replayed as well.

I hope that everyone can understand the situation a bit better now and that we will see some more great, exciting and fair matches within the ASUS European Nations Championship.

As a result of this, the match will have to be replayed. Scheduled time and date is tomorrow at 21:00 CET. 

#1
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Iceland Pus
If you want to whine, I suggest you read the statement.
2010-04-21 18:22
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replayed =)
2010-04-21 18:24
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I didn't catch everything, cause I don't have time for reading the whole statement carefully, but after a fast read over the whole article, I must say it really should be replayed.
2010-04-21 18:28
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Russia Vn^ToHuK
fail h8 esl
2010-04-21 18:29
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World sebster
good idea to blame the esl instead of the team who broke the rules imagine ppl have other stuff to do ....
2010-04-21 19:46
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Portugal itsmeERROR
Fair judgement. Nice one.
2010-04-21 18:31
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Latvia GePaRDz
omg SO LAME. Its just STUPID.
2010-04-21 18:35
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#7
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United Kingdom Big Lighthouse
seems fair enough. bit rough for russia getting even more penalty points but i guess thats life
2010-04-21 18:39
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Russia mintai
>You have seen before that several matches had to be replayed due to net_graph Who cares about other matches if there is no replay in the rules?
2010-04-21 18:41
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Poland Visnia
The usage of net_graph will be punished with penalty points and a rematch Pro players think they dont need to read the rules. ESL is probably the best online league for everyone.
2010-04-21 18:45
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Portugal korn.b
agree.
2010-04-21 18:47
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Russia mintai
Show me that in rulebook, not in admin's answer. Right now I believe russian manager, that there are no such words in rules.
2010-04-21 18:56
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Portugal [S]hinobi
dude several games have to be replay for that same rule. fnatic vs.MyM Reemember?? It's one Rule. so they will play again and Russia will win again. don't worry. The only thing is that Russia recive more penalty points, that is a kick in the ass from ENC cup admins.
2010-04-21 18:56
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Russia mintai
Dude, neither we, nor esl are living in usa. Do you know the difference between american and non-american judge system? Of course, Russia will win, but this decision is in american style. That's sucks.
2010-04-21 19:01
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#29
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Portugal [S]hinobi
well like my pop's say's ' You go to learn to live whit hit ' This decission is based on rules from Germany companys, so i do belive if the admin isent from America this decission is still a European Decisson
2010-04-21 19:11
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#31
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Russia mintai
Ye, ye. Faith is greater than wikipedia! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(legal_system) Amen!
2010-04-21 19:31
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#33
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Portugal [S]hinobi
did you actually pull the Civil law to dthis situacion????? This is a game, this is not a Battle for some land, or a Murder.... Jesus keep it together man.
2010-04-21 19:34
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#39
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Russia mintai
Yep, I did. Do you think, that esl doesn't have to follow german law system?
2010-04-21 19:53
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Romania TRS1906
Are you fucking serious?
2010-04-21 20:26
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Portugal AzurA
Omg i can't believe it ! :O
2010-04-21 20:41
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Portugal [S]hinobi
they have to...If they inflict some Mistaque in justice. Not in a game, i Belive not even a civel Law have any instruncion about one Game. Exepte Footbal and those games that are play in real live. Not a Computer Game. at least i never see that happen
2010-04-21 21:08
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Russia mintai
And I believe, that usage of common law is forbidden in Germany. By constitution or smth like that.
2010-04-21 22:19
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Portugal [S]hinobi
loool everybody every country have LAWs, i'm just saying that i don't belive they have laws about computer games, exept if you steel identeti. But ok
2010-04-21 23:40
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Japan 3JIou-TaTaPuH
USA THE ONLY COUNTRY OF JUSTICE AND LAW!!!
2010-04-22 10:53
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Portugal spokite
Portugal will win, with shouw!!!
2010-04-21 19:43
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#37
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Portugal [S]hinobi
ok that's your point of view. I think portugal last time as lucky, to lose 2-1 whit so near scores. whell leets wait and see
2010-04-21 19:45
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Portugal TUDOLADENTRO
shouw or spectrum
2010-04-21 22:27
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Belgium Naoke
both teams made mistakes , good that it is gonna be replayed , lets hope no more mistakes will be made and both teams just show up on time and follow all the rules then there are no discussions :)
2010-04-21 18:42
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Indonesia yyl
what will happen to our bets on those two matches? will it be refunded?
2010-04-21 18:43
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Portugal korn.b
lol:D HLTV is bankrupt.
2010-04-21 18:46
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Portugal [S]hinobi
hahahahaha
2010-04-21 18:57
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United Kingdom KungFu
Good job!
2010-04-21 18:47
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Denmark wynn
Nice with a statement from Cartman. Good work!
2010-04-21 18:50
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Portugal fanatic2k
sounds more than fair ! gl
2010-04-21 18:56
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Lithuania BarcaLT
hm... only im feel some disrespect from ESL to Russia after russians protest? i think there will be always right who first post his protest =)) and if really, i think all problems because of very bad organization. look at sports as example, maximum one protest per year (and of course there harder organization). i think the best solution is: late to arrive? ban from ESL; use net_graph? ban from ESL. rules are rules, and if people are so stupid they cant remember to turn of net_graph, it's their own problem. only after it will happen once or twice, other teams will not repeat same mistakes. p.s. sorry for my english, but i hope it's understandable =)
2010-04-21 19:03
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Ukraine fleizeN
LOLWHAT NICE ORGANISATION ESL anyway Russia will win >_>
2010-04-21 19:07
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#30
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Portugal chukONE
Russia will win if you replace the player FOX.ru. But Portugal has also come a team stronger and with a high teamwork. It will be a fairly balanced game.
2010-04-21 19:13
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Morocco GUNN !:!
everyone says what he wants ...
2010-04-21 20:09
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#43
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Germany CALM_BAITER
So much hate :) Chill people. Good decision Alex. GL with your cup.
2010-04-21 20:12
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#45
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Romania TRS1906
Loving all the fanboys who didn't even read the statement and are typing so much bullshit.
2010-04-21 20:28
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Estonia rYm
yessss AGAIN :::D:DD:D:D:D:S:DS:DS:DS:DS:D:S </3 ESL lets make 1000 rules and if something wrong lets whine and rematch 999times
2010-04-21 20:30
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Germany NFSPSracer
zzzz
2010-04-21 20:49
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World VictorTitov
Okay guys. Im the team leader, and i have registered to post only ONE comment here. This is the ENC rule book: esl.eu/enc/download/7048693/ And clause we were punished for is No. 4.3.3 The Configuration It is written : These values must be present... net_Graph 3. Ok , rules says: it must. Ok. So lets see maximum amount of penalty: "... team can not be penalized by more then 6 penalties per match". If anyone show me ANY term or even CONDITION of ENC RULE BOOK where it is written that match MUST be replayed, i will buy u flat in Moscow. The basis of ESL statement was PRECEDENCE. Im , being a lawyer , must say that EACH case must be JUDGED from the BEGINNING. German legal entity belongs to CONTINENTAL law system and precedence rule is FORBIDDEN ! So how u can judge me with some illegal decisions u've made before ? I dont get it. Anyone who flame here for Portugal, please find me ANY clause that says that match will be replayed for net_graph. We are TOTALLY disappointed with ESL decision. If we play a rematch, we do our best. But the decision , again , is illegal. It show unfairness of all system. Thank you.
2010-04-21 20:55
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Brazil Mith'
Read this part: 2.3 Modification and changes of rules The ENC administration reserve the right to change, modify, or in any other way alter the rule set without prior notice. The ENC administration also reserve the right to make decisions not necessarily covered by the rules, or against the rules to keep the spirit of the competition and fair play. When you sign up for a league, you're automatically agreeing to the Rulebook of said league and have to abide to it. They clearly stated that they can take decisions that are not necessarily covered by the rules (and even against the rules) to keep the spirit of competition, and that is exactly what your case is. You can't really complain about the admins taking the liberty to judge your case this way when the rules clearly state they have the power to do so.
2010-04-21 21:39
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Portugal ALPHA_Atlant69
go russia
2010-04-21 20:59
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Estonia FrispeN
It's crazy that Russia recieved -3 for the statement because if they wouldnt make it Portugal wouldnt get these -6 pp. So Russia is still a loser at this situation. Sad that Portugal is whineing about the net_graph. Hope that Russia is going to wipp their ass off
2010-04-21 21:05
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Portugal korn.b
kids talking...next time think before talk. by the way...read the protest.
2010-04-21 21:18
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#62
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Estonia FrispeN
dont be a fanboy, im looking from another angle.
2010-04-21 21:44
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#71
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Portugal korn.b
u a russian emigrant?...can be...
2010-04-21 22:56
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#73
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Estonia FrispeN
It can't be you are 23, act to your age please.
2010-04-21 23:01
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#61
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Portugal OmaestrO!
If you kill a girl, and his boyfriend knows.. he must not tell to the police what happened? :D If you're a russian player and you used net_graph 3 to benefit your team, and portuguese players knew it, they must not tell to ESL? On both situations you break the rules, on the first in the society, on the second in a game. On both situations I guess it's correct to say to "the authorities" the truth right? Or you're just a retard?
2010-04-21 21:40
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#63
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Estonia FrispeN
ye, you got a point but cmon, its sports and sometimes you got to accept the loss even if (football ex. ) you lose by offside goal or fake penalty. Russia won as a better team not as a cheating fagets.
2010-04-21 21:47
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#72
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Portugal korn.b
this is not the question... the question is that russian dont play with "Cleats" (soccer shoes).
2010-04-21 22:58
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Portugal OmaestrO!
That's true, Russia deserved to win :)! I've said it before. But if keznitt didn't drop out in d2, Portugal would (probably) have won 2-0 what would be really surprising :o.
2010-04-22 02:46
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The fact is that they should have made the statement in their protest. By not doing so, they received pps.
2010-04-21 21:48
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Portugal TUDOLADENTRO
this time portugal will win wiht the best portuguese players
2010-04-21 22:26
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Iceland alex!
fun if Russia wins this again. Question: Do they need to play with the same playes as they did at the first match?
2010-04-21 22:40
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Portugal [S]hinobi
is ferm belive that as a rematch is possibel that the same players will play. But nobody knows
2010-04-21 23:41
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World rian___
It would be stupid if the teams will have to use the same players. GL for both parts. Counter Strike is amazing.
2010-04-22 00:41
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Italy THEBLACKRIDER
for MOTHER RUSSIA
2010-04-21 23:18
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#75
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Australia GoMeZ
here's an idea, if you dont like the league, dont play ?
2010-04-21 23:26
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#78
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Faroe Islands s1carius
Could someone shed some light on why net_graph is banned? I have tried to look at the + and - by using Net_graph but havent really seen any thing dodgy yet.
2010-04-22 00:33
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Pay attention to the IN value when close to an enemy. You should see it raise (you are receiving more data due to that "new element") and that is the reason why it is not allowed. It works similar to an ESP cheat.
2010-04-22 00:40
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#82
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World rian___
Only to add some info. And the reason behind this increase in the values (even when the enemy is not visible) comes from two half life engine features called PVS (Potencial Visibility Set) and PAS (Potencial Audio Set). These technologies do calculations so that you only receive visual information when its origin is in your PVS and audio information when its origin is in your PAS. These technologies aim to reduce bandwith based on the fact that you don't need always to receive information. The algorithm to calculate the PVS is related with what you see but not exactly it since that would be too expensive. Every point you see is in your PVS (but not only). This is the reason for wallhacks not working across the map (since the player just receives visual information when its origin is in his PVS) Ontopic focus: This change on the values occur when a player enter in other's PVS and can be used to cheat.
2010-04-22 01:19
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Portugal OmaestrO!
Thanks for the "class" :D
2010-04-22 02:48
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#85
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World rian___
:D *Potentially not Potencial :D
2010-04-22 04:59
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Faroe Islands s1carius
Ahhh understandable then
2010-04-22 19:40
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#81
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Mother Russia > ALL easy as that!
2010-04-22 00:42
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Russia Illmatic
sounds fair to me. i'd rather listen to esl admin than to our punk-ass team. :<
2010-04-22 06:15
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Germany pa$co
good decision. I will watch the rematch today :D
2010-04-22 10:53
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Japan 3JIou-TaTaPuH
gl and hf Russians!!! And I really hope that ESL will choose some mature person to judge this match, but ups they don't have a such one (only 18 years old noobi girls)
2010-04-22 11:14
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Belarus GalaxyCore
I'm looking forward to the replay :). Rules are rules don't use net_graph and don't be late to the match. In American leagues if you are late to match you get technical loss NUGA! Let's see how this plays out !!! What happens to the bets on XLbet? I won $3600 dollars....
2010-04-22 12:55
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Faroe Islands xE0s
glhf! Russian team FTW!
2010-04-24 14:48
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Australia rddlj
Would of hated to admin that game
2010-04-25 07:25
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